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Rom Recommendation - Girl

So my girlfriend has been complaining how she is getting a bit bored of her Droid Incredible so i thought I thought i would come to you guys for some suggestions on what rom I should throw on for her that'll breath a bit of new life into her phone. I was thinking of just throwing on Cyanogenmod 7 on it, but after checking out the Dev forum i was BLOWN away with just how much you guys have to choose from. ( kinda jelous )
But is there anything better for her? She has no tech skills and will not really want anything to tinker with. But I'm think a new rom will stop her complaining till its time for an upgrade. So what do you guys suggest? Should I just throw on Cyanogenmod or one of the 100 other ones?
We both thank you.
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I'd say CM7 then look up some girly themes she could switch between. If she isn't too attached to the sense UI it should be a pretty easy transition.

Cm7 would probably be a good choice if for no other reason,stability. That's not saying that other roms aren't stable. I really enjoy sense roms but she may not like those.
I would also throw incredikernel on her phone so if she needs to overclock or get better battery life, she will be able to.
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My wife is running Kingdom Sense stock, it's nice eye candy. My wife has not complained about anything yet, sense 3.0 aspects are really nice. Watching a few other builds too, they are making progress.

Miui because it's very pretty, fast, and stable! it adds a new feel to the phone, kind of like getting a new phone.
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Miui because it's very pretty, fast, and stable! it adds a new feel to the phone, kind of like getting a new phone.
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Agreed, your GF will probably like MIUI with all the unique and elegant themes. CM7 is another popular choice that shouldn't be overlooked.
Here's a pic of a couple of themes for MIUI:
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(( FYI, this was originally created by Chinese developers, however everything as far as I know has been translated into English. ))

I just flashed MIUI for the first time and an impressed. For sense based rom, can't go wrong with Sky Raider. There is a maintenance release coming out soon for it.

Try Skyraider 4.0
Stable, and everything works, have been running it for over a week.

Alex2x3 said:
But is there anything better for her? She has no tech skills and will not really want anything to tinker with. But I'm think a new rom will stop her complaining till its time for an upgrade. So what do you guys suggest? Should I just throw on Cyanogenmod or one of the 100 other ones?
We both thank you.
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Ill say you can try supper z since she is already dealing with sense and that rom is a Z based rom.. is very stable and fast and has a lot of new things that the sense 1.0 lack of.. an example is the camera is really better than the one found in the stock and although I have try almost all the roms in this forum I keep going back to this one...
thats my opinion... hope you find something good to make your GF happy..

Being a long time CM7 user, I flashed SkyRaider 4.0 over the weekend and have to say that for a Sense ROM, it's VERY nice. Smooth, fast and stable.

Show her some screenshots of each rom or skin
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Been using Skyraider for the past month and it has been great, no issues. But if she is bored with the stock phone, skyraider is not going to seem majorly different. Lots of cool stuff from a tech perspective, but a non-techie user looking for a new phone of sorts... CM7 is going to have a different feel with a more vanilla android interface and gingerbread. Also a Seidio 1750mah slim battery is a great breath of life into an older incredible. Battery life is always a happy maker.
Cheers,
Rob
My wife loves her iphone, which makes it mainly not my problem ;-)

I recently picked up a 3500mAh battery and I love it. It feels stronger as well
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Thanks alot guys youve all been really helpful. Im sure one of these will satisfy her needs.
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Take her to the "post your screenshot" thread and the "skins for Sense 2.0" thread, and whichever one she points out as her fave just get that
***... of course, you'll have to look carefully at what rom supports what, but thats not hard

I would have to say a rpm such as Uber Gingersense. The features and integration as well as user-friendly feel Sense 3.0 brings is unmatched.
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Miui all the way!
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I would say MIUI or stock. For me My wife is confused enough by the stock one and I dont want to mess her up any more then she already is. But I would probably put MIUI on since it is most like the iPhone which is very very very simplistic (why I would not ever move to an iphone). But it would also make her feel like she has an iphone and can compare with her friends.
My 2 cents.
SoBBie

My EVO hates AOSP!

My phone seems to hate AOSP roms. I have tried every major aosp rom out on the EVO and everyone makes phone overheat and the reboot! I haven't seen anyone else experience this but I can confirm that it doesn't do it with sense roms...... FML. I really like aosp too
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you're holding it wrong

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you're holding it wrong
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yes, you gotta hold it like this.
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you're holding it wrong
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Lol..=-O that was awesome
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Jbcarrera said:
My phone seems to hate AOSP roms. I have tried every major aosp rom out on the EVO and everyone makes phone overheat and the reboot! I haven't seen anyone else experience this but I can confirm that it doesn't do it with sense roms...... FML. I really like aosp too
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Have you tried the three different kernels? {godmode, tiamat, savaged-zen}

Are you sure that it's overheating? Because random reboots are a standard problem with most if not all ASOP roms. CM7 especially but I also had it with others. You are just using it and BAM spash screen again. I do not think it's heat related though. In all while i love the better battery life and added features, ASOPs have all just been too glitchy for me, especially when it comes to hardware control. No 720p Video recording and a 9 step program to get GPS "fixed"? No thanks.

Landara said:
Are you sure that it's overheating? Because random reboots are a standard problem with most if not all ASOP roms. CM7 especially but I also had it with others. You are just using it and BAM spash screen again. I do not think it's heat related though. In all while i love the better battery life and added features, ASOPs have all just been too glitchy for me, especially when it comes to hardware control. No 720p Video recording and a 9 step program to get GPS "fixed"? No thanks.
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hard to argue with ignorance

I don't know what the issue is, I have had no problems with aosp on my EVO... Currently running cm7 with the cm7 kernel and have had no issues, maybe try using SetCPU and setting up some profiles to tweak things.... I know something similar is in the rom but I love SetCPU.... I can't remember my last random reboot and I've been running aosp for months, love the freedom it offers you
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Jbcarrera said:
My phone seems to hate AOSP roms. I have tried every major aosp rom out on the EVO and everyone makes phone overheat and the reboot! I haven't seen anyone else experience this but I can confirm that it doesn't do it with sense roms...... FML. I really like aosp too
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Have you tried different kernels, specifically tiamat? Are you over clocking too high?

CDKJudoka said:
yes, you gotta hold it like this.
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Omg! That is my new wallpaper!
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drdrewdown said:
hard to argue with ignorance
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Especially when it's true. Random reboots happen all the time in CM7. You can't deny it, because you don't own my phone. I get them constantly. There's still no 720p video recording either, the videos i take look horrible on my 55 inch. And the GPS which has been *fixed* multiple times now STILL isn't working correctly on CM7 for at the very least some of us, myself included. I like CM7 I try it at least once a month hoping they've fixed it. So far they have not so I keep dropping it again.

No overclock at all and yes all kernels do the same once my phone gets to 113*F it reboots anything below that and no reboot found out its due to hboot 2.10
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Try a rosie-less Sense rom
I've tried many different asop roms, and even considering VaelPak may be one of my favorite roms ever due to customization and stability, I always run into GPS or some other radio issues. Though lacking customization, even though I feel Sense 3.0 greatly makes up for it, I would recommend the brand new Syngergy-Kingdom 7/12 Nightly(if you could even call it that, because it is the most stable and speedy rom of the series yet). Just make sure to superwipe, then wipe all in wipe list(amon 2.3) and then flash it. Others have reported issues but I believe that is due to not fully wiping their device. Enjoy, it's a really flashy rom with the speed and stability needed to enjoy it. You can choose to have rosie or not, but personally I like no rosie due to it being a resource hog and the LP dock having 5 functions. To include rosie, make sdcard/SynergyRom/Rosie before flash of rom and you're set.

Sorry to bring an old post back to life, but didn't want to start up a new thread for this either. Mods, I can start a new thread if you think that is the best route to go.
I'm having the same issue of my phone appearing to get really hot and then rebooting. This wasn't always the case I know as I remember CM7.0 (not 7.1 or RCx) working without issue. It seems that at some point along the updates to CM, I started developing these overheat/reboot issues. I'm about at the end of my contract, so I don't have to put up with this much longer, but still very annoying. Has anyone tried taking apart their EVO to see if there is something clogging up the internals and contributing to the heat factor? I have considered the idea of just going back to stock/unrooting so I could have Sprint fix/replace the phone, but I hate to go through that hassle if there is some other solution to this problem.

Yeah I've run into these same types of issues pretty much ever time I've tried an AOSP rom. IMO up until recently sbc was the only tempting feature to use AOSP over Sense. Now we have sbc on gingerbread sense. Other than that I've experienced no extra features that were worth the headaches that came along with it. I never experienced stellar battery life with AOSP either, in fact I've had better results overall with good stripped down sense roms.
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Ice Cream Sandwich

Will we ever get a fully functional ICS build?
From what it looks like now, yes. The current ICS builds have had an amazing progress and what we need now is someone to backport the gingerbread kgsl drivers or compile an msm-3.0 kernel so we can get a fully functional hardware acceleration.
Obviously, the low internal memory or ROM memory is no problem since we can, using blackrose, repartition the whole internal memory.
What's your thought in all of this? What are you looking forward too? A Cyanogenmod ICS build? A MIUI ICS build? Or simply a vanilla ICS build with no elements of Cyanogenmod or MIUI? Please share your thoughts.
I would just like to thank all the wonderful developers here for doing such an awesome job at bringing us an ICS build - buggy or not, it's still a huge step forward.

I believe CM team will be the first with full functional ICS for N1 and i'm definitly looking forward to it. After that all the others will come up with their different Roms.

I think CM won't be the first, since CM will be way to busy for all the newer phones! Like the Galaxy S2 and the newer dual cores, those will probably get bigger priority..
Can't wait that the ROM works perfectly or almost perfectly!

I'm be super happy with a stock ICS build for the N1. It would extend the life of my phone for another year until LTE gets sorted out by my carrier.

Definitely stock ICS with few tweaks like custom shutdown/reboot menu, FM Radio app, builtin A2SD support, Wifi calling support etc.

Texasice's ICS is doing pretty well on my N1 right now..

It's already stable any ROM?

I'd like to try out a vanilla ICS rom first, then maybe I'll check out CM9.

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Texasice's ICS is doing pretty well on my N1 right now..
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Yeah, it's amazing what he's been able to do with it on such short notice, being a "college droput" as he said
Totally off topic, but I'd just like to know: Is it true that you pretty much need a college education to get a respectable job over there in the U.S? I mean, after nine years of elementary school and another three in high school (or whatever it's like over there), college is the last thing I'd ever want to go to.
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I'd like to try out a vanilla ICS rom first, then maybe I'll check out CM9.
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So basically, you should go with texasice's ICS ROM and then samuaz. IIRC, texas said he would never incorporate CM9 into his ROM, so you're good to flash it.
I don't really know what I'll go with. I think it depends on the features and stability of the two. I like Cyanogenmod but maybe, just maybe, I'll stick with stock ICS and first get the hang of it.

Theshawty said:
So basically, you should go with texasice's ICS ROM and then samuaz. IIRC, texas said he would never incorporate CM9 into his ROM, so you're good to flash it.
I don't really know what I'll go with. I think it depends on the features and stability of the two. I like Cyanogenmod but maybe, just maybe, I'll stick with stock ICS and first get the hang of it.
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I am using the samuaz ICS build right now on a day to day basis and I must say I'm pretty impressed.
Almost everything works fine - gapps, wifi, 3g, a2sd. Pretty amazing for an alpha release.
Most likely I would preffer an pretty much vanilla ICS build in the future.

bodhisattva99 said:
I am using the samuaz ICS build right now on a day to day basis and I must say I'm pretty impressed.
Almost everything works fine - gapps, wifi, 3g, a2sd. Pretty amazing for an alpha release.
Most likely I would preffer an pretty much vanilla ICS build in the future.
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a2sd implemented by texasice is the best compared to all other implementation I have tried so far. Check out this post by texasice if you are interested.
I am using the "xdata" feature so I can finally see 2 GB internal space! Also I have not seen any slow down in speed while using "xdata".
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I have already custom blackrose hboot, latest 4ext touch recovery ready for the video recording feature on texasice rom to be ready!

Have been using texasice's on my old N1 as well since he started developing it. His implementation is very good.

I just flashed texasice's ICS ROM p6. So far so good. When CM releases CM9, I will wait for others' feedback and then give it a try just to see the difference.

Am i the only one not even slightly interested in ICS? Everything about it seems to be a big step backwards from Gingerbread. My N1 with CM7 is absolutely spot-bollock perfect as it is, so i don't need a new device and i don't need a new OS!

DirkGently said:
Am i the only one not even slightly interested in ICS? Everything about it seems to be a big step backwards from Gingerbread. My N1 with CM7 is absolutely spot-bollock perfect as it is, so i don't need a new device and i don't need a new OS!
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Probably are the only one.
Those afraid of change are really in the wrong place browsing XDA.

GldRush98 said:
Probably are the only one.
Those afraid of change are really in the wrong place browsing XDA.
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You're kidding right? Change just for the sake of change is idiotic. I know the teens go for the whole 'Oh look a new shiny thing', but they are also notoriously unreliable, are known to have bad taste and couldn't have an objective thought if their lives depended on it.

DirkGently said:
Am i the only one not even slightly interested in ICS? Everything about it seems to be a big step backwards from Gingerbread. My N1 with CM7 is absolutely spot-bollock perfect as it is, so i don't need a new device and i don't need a new OS!
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You're not the only one, I'm actually quite happy with my N1 right now, its fast and stable, I don't need anything more atm. I will update it only if its clear to me that the latest versions are better

I am interested in quite a few things about ICS, the most important of which is not in any of the current ROMs:
New camera software
Better multitasking (cards)
Better and faster browser
Better notifications
And most importantly...HARDWARE ACCELERATION. This is the only thing missing from current ICS roms and the reason I have not flashed any of them.
The moment this gets stable, I am all over it...
But ICS is a HUGE upgrade because of this fact alone. Personally, I feel like the SGSII will be a better overall phone vs the GNex once it is on ICS. Other than touchwiz...

shahrier said:
a2sd implemented by texasice is the best compared to all other implementation I have tried so far. Check out this post by texasice if you are interested.
I am using the "xdata" feature so I can finally see 2 GB internal space! Also I have not seen any slow down in speed while using "xdata".
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Man now i wish i kept mine :-( Oh well, the HTC sensation hasn't let me down yet, but you never forget your first time..LOL love/miss my N1

Anyone else not liking ICS?

To me it seems like they've gone back a step in terms of aesthetics, compared to honeycomb for example. It just looks boring.
What do you think?
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I dislike the colour blue. Therefore I'm not liking ics right now either.
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Simple and fast. That's the real deal.
And color is certainly not an excuse.

Who said anything about colour?
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I'm waiting for a Camera fix before trying it out although the simplicity is a real plus point.

hassanhassan said:
Who said anything about colour?
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acidspider, just above my first post.

actually, i thought that ICS was suppose to be slower than GB and Froyo, haven't tested it out but...what do you guys think?

ICS is so much better, don't kid yourselves. Everything is much more fluid. I actually miss certain sense elements, as I was an HTC guy.
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I have gone back to cm7
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The ics feels a little young..just organising contacts was ....i cant find a easy way to delete a contact from the list. Ics needs work and more tweaks
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WoWzeerS! Blue seems to be the most popular colour in modding. (Android have noticed). Good luck with that.

I like it. The ROM needs a lot of work still, but it's still very good as it is. I really need the camera to work for me to switch to it permanently, but I've found it fast, responsive and plenty of cool features.

I'm waiting with ICS until HTC has released their Sense for it.
@acidspider
Maybe with Sense there will be less blue in there

Just a few days ago I flashed ICS and man, I'm never going back to cm7. I don't even care camera doesn't work at the moment since to me it feels like finally it's taking advantage of the power. CM7 after a month just because laggy and so slow.
Using it with Launcher 360, it's fast, fluid and I'm lovin it

I wasn't too impressed to begin with, but when I delved into the new features I started to get more and more impressed. I love ICS.
The one thing I do find poor is some of the system icons, the browser one in particular is a pretty awful design imo.
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Ew.
This is how it should be done:

To me, ICS is much better than CM7 or any other ROM for that matter. Yea, there are a few little kinks that I would like to see fixed (Like the easier way to delete a contact), but we all have to remember that ICS was released in October. Thats not a long time for a ROM to become "Perfect" in the consumer's eyes.
I think ICS will become a VERY stable ROM, not just on the Desire HD/Inspire 4G, but every other phone that has the opportunity to taste it.
@OriginalPoster Honeycomb was designed for Tablets, and Tablets only (Although I'm sure you knew that) Tablets are designed faster and with more capabilities than most smartphones, so Honeycomb is probably more fluid in UI and design.

ICS+sense 3.5 is very stylish, ICS AOSP feels empty and minimalistic, but yes I'm not so fond of the tron theme feels a bit gimmicky
despite what everyone says sense will always save you a lot of effort and apps and unify the way everything looks, it was starting to feel outdated but I think sense 3.5 refreshed things again, also they to have improved their coding efforts considerably sense 3.5 is lighting fast and stable

anyone tried playing gta 3 on ICS? i'm getting lags on no matter which rom i try without OC.

I love blue. Blue is my favourite color. Although, I somewhat like MIUI better than ICS. Even CyanogenMod... Damn, there's something about CyanogenMod that makes me like it, even though it's stock GB. Every time I flash CyanogenMod, I remember there were better ROMs (like MIUI), and I flash back, lol.
ICS... I tried it on my old Desire (AMOLED) and on the Desire HD (LCD) as well. Damn, it was looking FANTASTIC on the Desire. Now... not so much... it's not as bright and vivid
Anyway, I'll stick to MIUI for the moment. When ICS will be ready...

Have to disagree
ICS is beautiful. It is very consistent unlike Gingerbread, which is very patchy
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ROM for the GF's phone

I'm looking for opinions on about three different ROM's for my girlfriend. And I'm only posting this in a new thread because most the other ones I see are 2 years old and therefore highly outdated.
TN Elousions 2, the Team No Name ROM, and Thundershock.
Now, she wants to have a UI fairly close to stock. We tried one with ICS and she hated it. Maybe it was the ROM. I'm not sure. It was all blue and white menus and she said it was difficult to navigate. We went back to stock.
Anyway, she is having constant problems with her phone with reboots, apps not working properly, battery life, etc. She wants to switch to an iFail errr iPhone and I'm trying to convince her that Android is the place to be.
She uses the GPS function on her phone for navigation a lot, so GPS MUST work... She uses other apps such as pinterest, facebook, fitness pal, etc... But GPS is the main thing we need..
So I'm looking for opinions on those three roms or even any others that are stable enough and fast enough to show her that an Android can be improved even when it's 2 years old and counting.

rybussell said:
I'm looking for opinions on about three different ROM's for my girlfriend. And I'm only posting this in a new thread because most the other ones I see are 2 years old and therefore highly outdated.
TN Elousions 2, the Team No Name ROM, and Thundershock.
Now, she wants to have a UI fairly close to stock. We tried one with ICS and she hated it. Maybe it was the ROM. I'm not sure. It was all blue and white menus and she said it was difficult to navigate. We went back to stock.
Anyway, she is having constant problems with her phone with reboots, apps not working properly, battery life, etc. She wants to switch to an iFail errr iPhone and I'm trying to convince her that Android is the place to be.
She uses the GPS function on her phone for navigation a lot, so GPS MUST work... She uses other apps such as pinterest, facebook, fitness pal, etc... But GPS is the main thing we need..
So I'm looking for opinions on those three roms or even any others that are stable enough and fast enough to show her that an Android can be improved even when it's 2 years old and counting.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1584137

MikG 3.11 offers a UI very close to the stock Sprint ROM but also permits quite a bit of user customization. GPS performance on this ROM is solid. Unfortunately, there has not been any development on this ROM since March 2012; but the ROM is solid. You can download MikG 3.11 at http://themikmik.com/showthread.php?10338-MikG-v3-11-3-9-2012 (be sure to get the Full Wipe version).
I also recommend uding ca1ne's Classic Sense Kernel with SBC for improved battry perfomance. You can download the kernel at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1557248 (be sure to get the SBC version).
Be sure to perform a nandroid backup and wipe the cache, Dalvik cache, and system before flashing the ROM. You can flash the kernel as soon as the ROM flash is completed.

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Man if you had that in purple I would be all set (she's a huge fan of purple, not so much on pink)! I'll have to show her and see what she thinks...

I think there is if I'm not mistaken
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Well if you choose a sense 3.0 there is a nice purple skin I can hook you up with. As nice as tnn roms are I would not suggest it being it is far from stock style. Yet if she is thinking Icrap then it does have that kind of UI.
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My tn elousions 3.2 is stock, and its built on the latestest ota.
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Thundershock
rybussell said:
I'm looking for opinions on about three different ROM's for my girlfriend. And I'm only posting this in a new thread because most the other ones I see are 2 years old and therefore highly outdated.
TN Elousions 2, the Team No Name ROM, and Thundershock.
Now, she wants to have a UI fairly close to stock. We tried one with ICS and she hated it. Maybe it was the ROM. I'm not sure. It was all blue and white menus and she said it was difficult to navigate. We went back to stock.
Anyway, she is having constant problems with her phone with reboots, apps not working properly, battery life, etc. She wants to switch to an iFail errr iPhone and I'm trying to convince her that Android is the place to be.
She uses the GPS function on her phone for navigation a lot, so GPS MUST work... She uses other apps such as pinterest, facebook, fitness pal, etc... But GPS is the main thing we need..
So I'm looking for opinions on those three roms or even any others that are stable enough and fast enough to show her that an Android can be improved even when it's 2 years old and counting.
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I have been using Thundershock for about 2 weeks now with very few issues, gps works great (used it quite a bit) .You can always change appearance by using launchers, I use go launcher

I was using InFaMoUs 2.1 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1836346) for a while and really liked it. It had a very stock feel to it. I felt like my phone performed faster under most conditions using that rom. The only thing I didnt like about the rom was that i was constantly getting low memory notifications. I think that the sense roms take up a little more space, but i think the real culprit was one of the games that i installed was growing in size every day untill it took up all the room i had left on the phone.

rybussell said:
Man if you had that in purple I would be all set (she's a huge fan of purple, not so much on pink)! I'll have to show her and see what she thinks...
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I believe there's a Purple Theme for MikG v3.11 .
EDIT: Here's a link.
http://themikmik.com/showthread.php?10375-Theme-MikG-v3-xx-Nick1313-Purple-Heaven-(3-11-2012)
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