They said that the iPhone uses a similar CPU that is on the Hermes and other pocket PCs.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/01/iphone-processor-found-620mhz-arm/
If it this is possible it would be the best port ever!
A clever person could certainly find a way to create a ROM dump of the iPhone.
But you'd almost certainly brick your PocketPC by trying to flash it to an iPhone ROM.
not possible. hardware is different altogether.
someone please tell me this topic isnt really here....
this topic really isn't here
Apple toyphone vs Hermes
Apple's phone is a toy, not a work machine. It's more a media gadget, good for tunes, videos and stuff. Not for business functionality.
Dumping that ROM into the Hermes would be like putting a Smart Car engine into a Cadillac (Ok, I am exagerating a bit)
The closest thing to an IPhone will be to get Touch to work fully on the Hermes, and we are close to that if you read the threads here. Then it will make the IPhone the obsolete object that it pretty much already is.
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someone please tell me this topic isnt really here....
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Reminds me of a Firesign Theatre album, "I think we're all Bozos on this bus" .....
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Reminds me of a Firesign Theatre album, "I think we're all Bozos on this bus" .....
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how true.... its incredibly hard not to lock this thread.. but i would hate to censor this..
...... somebody hand me a gun, and the address of whoever would commit such a henious act. Now WM is FAAAAAAAAAAAAR from perfect....... but it's a hell of a lot closer to getting there then whatever the iphone has. If this was a brain transplant we were talking about your basically asking "Can I put the brain of a worm inside this human?"
You guys had to know this question was coming. Calm down, this too shall pass.
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You guys had to know this question was coming. Calm down, this too shall pass.
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Sounds like what I told my wife concerning her kidney stone... when I picked myself off the floor I realized some questions shouldn't be asked, ehehe!
Is it possible to port Carmen Elektras body onto my wife?
Well, kidney stones don't ALWAYS pass. I should know, I had an 11mm one that got stuck in between my kidney and my bladder that I had to have surgery for.
Luckily, the iPhone isn't quite as bad as a kidney stone. Being impaled might be close.
I think if nothing else iPhone is good to get M$ to wake up and start making WM more userfriendly. Looking at the iPhone "tutorial" video it is for sure that things are really well thought throgh in their GUI. VERY userfriendly.
I wonder if M$ didn't help HTC making the TouchFLO happen really quickly...
yes the iphone uses an ARM processor but the hardware is completly different... not to mention the OS is using 700MB of the FLASH space on the ishite anyway....
this is avery good topic. Just joking...!!!!
Hi,
There is already an iPhone Os Image downloaded from Apple. The file is around 90 MB. it is encrypted in some parts, but the meaningfully part of this issue is that iPhone is a completely different hardware with a faster processor with tailored features. It means you can´t.
But if the hardware may be similar, the OS X on iPhone has a 2 strong security systems for slow down the crack from enthusiasts. Up to day, after 3 days, the crypted portion of the iPhone have not been decrypted.
It´s mean too... if you like it, buy an iPhone BTW, there is a buzz about exchange support on iPhone. Just a rumor...
Regards,
Taguapire.
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Hi,
There is already an iPhone Os Image downloaded from Apple. The file is around 90 MB. it is encrypted in some parts, but the meaningfully part of this issue is that iPhone is a completely different hardware with a faster processor with tailored features. It means you can´t.
But if the hardware may be similar, the OS X on iPhone has a 2 strong security systems for slow down the crack from enthusiasts. Up to day, after 3 days, the crypted portion of the iPhone have not been decrypted.
It´s mean too... if you like it, buy an iPhone BTW, there is a buzz about exchange support on iPhone. Just a rumor...
Regards,
Taguapire.
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its a restore IMAGE not the whole OS...
I am going to correct a few people here.
First of all - it IS possible to get the iPhone OS to run on a hermes or similar. It would take a hell of a lot of work though, and it would have to run in a virtual machine, and it would be slow and worthless. But I don't think it's nearly impossible. I do think it's highly unlikely that anyone would do it.
And once again, I gotta call out the iPhone hatah's. A toy, huh? Just a toy with many features more advanced than any other piece of technology on the market. Not ditching my 8525 yet, but phones are going to get better and Apple is going to be responsible.
Apple responsibility.
. . . yes very very responsible.
Can you even Imagine a time when all this **** we're trying to do now will actually work?
Like turning on a Casio TV -- instant TV on our cell phones? No ****in Streaming?
Actually, I am pretty sure that by 22nd century there won't be any cell phones. Not the way we know them.
Chances are (not that anyone can really predict such things) people will be getting all their info (TV / phone / email / whatever) through one little implant in their heads. No screen, no keyboard no wires.
And if you flash the wrong ROM - no worries, its straight to the morgue...
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Actually, I am pretty sure that by 22nd century there won't be any cell phones. Not the way we know them.
Chances are (not that anyone can really predict such things) people will be getting all their info (TV / phone / email / whatever) through one little implant in their heads. No screen, no keyboard no wires.
And if you flash the wrong ROM - no worries, its straight to the morgue...
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Haha.. You sure Hard-SPL wont prevent bricks? Olipro would have to go into the medical field.
The things that we are doing now can be done on a pc.. Hence the name POCKETPC.
But yo, I await the next technologies so we can make them better.
nothing wrong with streaming http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streaming_media
it's basicly what normal tv does too just in a broadCast kinda way
if it's fast enough it's ok
nothing is instant in this world not light not anything
the future will be the collection of most financial plausible idears and projects
standing on the shoulders of the most financial plausible idears from the age before
thats the thing about predicting it's hard because what people are willing to throw money at tomorrow and the day after that could have great impact
22nd century?
omap processors in all pdas.
no buttonson top of pdas.
64 mb ram.
absurdally unoptimised, heavy "touch" software.
NIGHTMARE.
after the third world war, people go back to origin and live in caves, no electricity, not phones, no tvs, no cars, no planes, etc...
zcink said:
Can you even Imagine a time when all this **** we're trying to do now will actually work?
Like turning on a Casio TV -- instant TV on our cell phones? No ****in Streaming?
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after the third world war, people go back to origin and live in caves, no electricity, not phones, no tvs, no cars, no planes, etc...
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Like Albert Einstein said..."I know not what weapons the 3rd world war will be fought with by the 4th world world war will be fought with sticks and stones"
There are so many threads about how great the iPhone is,
i had to add one how overpraised it is
Don't get me wrong it's a solid device but, there is no light without
shadows.
So i decided to post my personal opinion and impressions about the iPhone,
i actually had one for 6 Months before i sold it and got my Blackstone.
And my girlfriend still has one, so i have to deal with it every day
I don't want to start a discussion, this is just my story!
I won't spend to much words on the great things...we all know them
When i first got it i wasn't real into smartphones, the were manly big and
ugly and without a cheap data plan not much more useful then any other
phone. I only got 4 iPhones to make a quick buck
But somehow i was impressed, the screen was shiny, big and crisp.
The interface was responsive and intuitive so i decided to keep one.
Also my girlfriend managed to coax one from me
But as longer i used the iPhone it really started annoying me:
-The first thing annoying my was i had to use iTunes to get my mp3's on it
why i just couldn't i just copy them, my old Samsung had this function!
-Also I couldn't set a normal mp3 as ringtone ...without to google a full hour finding a free solution!!!
-I couldn't copy my phonebook from my simcard without extrenal software!!
(a firmware upgrade fixed that later)
-Then i realized my 300$ etymotic ER4 headphones didn't fitted in the 3,5mm headjack WTF it was immerged !!( i had the 2G, Apple managed to fix that with the 3G)
-It had Bluetooth but i was shocked when i noticed the it could only be
used with headsets, sorry no file transfer with other mobiles!!
-There was no MMS
-I couldn't leave apps like Fring in the Background, there is an app in Cydia "Backgrounder" for this (But it ****ed up my whole phone twice, i had to hard rest)
-I couldn't save a phone number from a SMS to my phonebook
-I couldn't shoot a video clip, crycorder was still beta and without sound
And when it came out i could shoot them but had no easy way to back them
up or copy them to my PC, ssh is a pain in the ass!!!
-There was no solution to play a avi or a divx, i had to re-encode
every movie ...i'm not a fan of that i takes sooo much time !!
-Once i was abroad and wanted to add only one movie for the journey!
When i connected it to the iTunes of a friend of mine it told me that
it was already synced with a other iTunes, and had to ERASE my whole
library (mp3 and movies) to add justo ONE movie
-And i hated the restricted apps from the Appstore!! My girlfriend
has a 3GS now with skype and she can't talk on the go, because
Apple and ATT feel like that!!! ( i know there is a app in Cydia but why i have to patch every basic feature )
So i sold it and got a HTC Blackstone, it's not perfect, we all know
that, there isn't a perfect phone!!! But when i directly compare it with
iPhone i really LOVE it, it's the best phone i ever had!! And XDA-Dev helped
a lot to improve it, it's relay shining now!! A WinMo isn't for everyone but
for a gadget freak like me it the best at the moment!!!
And don't get me wrong the iPhone is a great phone, it opened me and many others the path to smartphones! And it pushed the whole smartphone market in the right direction, maybe the Blackstone wouldn't exist in this form without the iPhone, but it's just NOT THAT PERFECT!
+1 for this post!
+1000 for this!
HD is quite older by now but it is a great PPCPhone!!! No new device to now can make me to change it: omnia II maybe but probably isn't like HD
D'rath
Your right and what is annoying me more than anything else on the Planet is the whole Copy and Paste. Its driving me mad to the point of going in to an O2 uk store beating them with a large stick.
HEY APPLE COPY AND PASTE IS NOT NEW, KEEP UP WITH THE TIMES YOU FASCIST DICTATORSHIP.
Haaaaa thats better. Oh and i have decided to call apple a fascist state as they control what you can and cannot do with there stuff i mean they have a kill switch for apps on there phone, Its worse than being in china. If this was MS someone would have them in court in 3 seconds. Now i'm not the greatest fan of MS but they have had it hard of late, they are being forced to open up the OS for browsers and source code but are apple noooo, they can sue companies for violation of the EULA and get away with it.
Anyway i dont want to go on too long (cos i will and everyone will then hate me ) but i dont hate apple i just dislike their methods thats all.
Thanks for the backup!
We should make it sticky and change it to an "Apple hate Thread" !!
Just a joke
Hey this is my 100th post!!!
Ikkari said:
Thanks for the backup!
We should make it sticky and change it to an "Apple hate Thread" !!
Just a joke
Hey this is my 100th post!!!
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Already a number of threads on the iPhone. Would this not be better placed in one of those? If this becomes another 'vs' thread I will be forced to close thread.
This should not be a Apple 'vs' Blackstone Thread! I only posted my experience with the iPhone and why i switched over to Blackstone!
The iPhone is a solid phone, but maybe it's not the best choice for advanced user. But it should not be ignored that it sold millions, so for some people like my girlfriend it's the better choice.
If you thought about switching, from iPhone to Blackstone or contrariwise, feel free to ask some questions! I will try my best to be objective, and help you to make the right decision!
Hello,
my name is Michael. I am the owner of Xtreme CPU. I just picked up a Xoom 3G and am enjoying it. Great piece of equipment. (Trying to get my 10 posts )
What are some cool apps for this thing? Tweaks? etc etc?
Thanks,
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We don't take kindly to your types around here.
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What? was that supposed to be funny?
op: what is xtreme cpu? Like a small company
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA Premium App
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What? was that supposed to be funny?
op: what is xtreme cpu? Like a small company
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I hope it was suppose to be a joke.
I'm not looking at promoting myself. Was just telling people about myself. It's a hardware enthusiast community and hardware reviews. It's MUCH smaller than XDA.
I wanted to drop by here to learn a bit more about the Xoom's and the Honeycomb OS. I'm a pretty hardcore PC guy, but have always leaned towards Apple and their offerings when it came to Tablets, and phones. (Man I'm going to get a lot of flack for this) I picked up the Xoom, and I am pretty happy with it so far.
xcpus.com one of the most reputable sites on extreme overclocking, show some repect oomskaap, maybe you can learn something.
@Michael, welcome bro, I'm from OCF and there is quite a lot of exciting stuff here, look under the Xoom development section for unlocking/rooting procedure as well as some custom kernals
>xcpus.com one of the most reputable sites on extreme overclocking
Nitrogen-cooled Xoom, when?
Welcome bro.
Get SyncSMS in the themes and apps section under Xoom.
Get Dropbox
Get Zinio
Get Emulators
Etc.
Nice website, I'm liquid cooling fan myself, will keep track of your site for my next upgrade.
Back to the Xoom, I use my mainly as media consumption device.
Pluse, News 360 for news.
Plex for stream video from pc, much easier than converting and storing them on the device.
DoggCatcher for audio and video pod casts.
Thumb keyboard (make typing much easier).
Folder Organizer (nice folder creation).
Data counter widget keep track of your 3G and WIFI usage.
If you tell us your interest, we can offer better suggestions.
Maybe MOJO was a proof-of-concept style project (not terribly well executed), but even at the reduced price of $199 (did you pay $249? OUCH!!!!), the console is not competitive with Amazon's very similarly featured (and NO root or side-loading is required to access content!) $99 console. Add in the $49 CTRLr and....well you can do the math. My guess is that the Android 4.4 update will never come. I expect MCZ to allow MOJO to wither and die on the vine. IMO.
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Maybe MOJO was a proof-of-concept style project (not terribly well executed), but even at the reduced price of $199 (did you pay $249? OUCH!!!!), the console is not competitive with Amazon's very similarly featured (and NO root or side-loading is required to access content!) $99 console. Add in the $49 CTRLr and....well you can do the math. My guess is that the Android 4.4 update will never come. I expect MCZ to allow MOJO to wither and die on the vine. IMO.
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Huh? These are two very different devices. The FireTV is a cool, easy to operate, inexpensive unit with Amazon's own proprietary modified version of Android. The Mojo is a very high powered device using stock android and is more of a "hardcore Android users" type of device. More can be done with the Mojo due to the fact that it is running stock android, and the mojo clearly outperforms it. And, it is a *good* thing to be rooted and have the ability to side load apps
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Huh? These are two very different devices. The FireTV is a cool, easy to operate, inexpensive unit with Amazon's own proprietary modified version of Android. The Mojo is a very high powered device using stock android and is more of a "hardcore Android users" type of device. More can be done with the Mojo due to the fact that it is running stock android, and the mojo clearly outperforms it. And, it is a *good* thing to be rooted and have the ability to side load apps
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The Rockchip RK3288 with Mali T628 will come out in a view weeks or a mound, and that one is gone be as fast or even faster then the Mad Catz
M.O.J.O., and will cost only US$ 120, and the plus points, the Rockchip RK3288 is gone have: HDMI 2.0 with a max resolution of 3840×2160 so
4K (The first SoC with real 4Kx2K video decoder), and 100M/1000M Ethernet and MUCH more.
And sorry, the price is what people will look at most of the time, and $199.99 is just to much for a Android TV BOX, even if you get a JoyPad with it, with
mouse function.
And a 2.4 GHz Wireless Dual Shock Sixaxis Controller Sony PlayStation 3 PS3 GPS3CT01 cost only $13.55, and works very smooth, my family have
two of them.
AmigaWolf said:
The Rockchip RK3288 with Mali T628 will come out in a view weeks or a mound, and that one is gone be as fast or even faster then the Mad Catz
M.O.J.O., and will cost only US$ 120, and the plus points, the Rockchip RK3288 is gone have: HDMI 2.0 with a max resolution of 3840×2160 so
4K (The first SoC with real 4Kx2K video decoder), and 100M/1000M Ethernet and MUCH more.
And sorry, the price is what people will look at most of the time, and $199.99 is just to much for a Android TV BOX, even if you get a JoyPad with it, with
mouse function.
And a 2.4 GHz Wireless Dual Shock Sixaxis Controller Sony PlayStation 3 PS3 GPS3CT01 cost only $13.55, and works very smooth, my family have
two of them.
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Ewwww...I hate third party overseas rip-off controllers. I wouldn't pay 55 cents for that to be honest I would much rather have the official controller...which is around $50-$60, but is legit. The Mad Catz controller is rock solid and worth $50 as well in my opinion. To each their own I suppose.
I don't care much for Rockchip, Mali. I'm an Nvidia guy personally, and Tegra has been the staple for excellence in terms of performance and gaming (and games designed for Tegra) for some time now. If I were to go with any other chip it would be a TI OMAP. Again, to each their own.
$199 is not too much depending on who you ask. I'd love to see it cheaper (or even a cheaper version that did not include a controller) to be honest, but $199 is a pretty cheap en devour for everything this sucker can do and the performance I yield with it. I purchased my Sega Genesis brand new in 1989 for $189.99 I believe. It came with one game (Altered Beast) and that was it. Now, for $199 I can play the entire Genesis arsenal along with every other game system up to N64 with perfect performance. And Netflix, surf the net, manage a massive music collection, and more...and view it on a 48 inch modern TV via HDMI. Pretty good I say for $199.
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Ewwww...I hate third party overseas rip-off controllers. I wouldn't pay 55 cents for that to be honest I would much rather have the official controller...which is around $50-$60, but is legit. The Mad Catz controller is rock solid and worth $50 as well in my opinion. To each their own I suppose.
I don't care much for Rockchip, Mali. I'm an Nvidia guy personally, and Tegra has been the staple for excellence in terms of performance and gaming (and games designed for Tegra) for some time now. If I were to go with any other chip it would be a TI OMAP. Again, to each their own.
$199 is not too much depending on who you ask. I'd love to see it cheaper (or even a cheaper version that did not include a controller) to be honest, but $199 is a pretty cheap en devour for everything this sucker can do and the performance I yield with it. I purchased my Sega Genesis brand new in 1989 for $189.99 I believe. It came with one game (Altered Beast) and that was it. Now, for $199 I can play the entire Genesis arsenal along with every other game system up to N64 with perfect performance. And Netflix, surf the net, manage a massive music collection, and more...and view it on a 48 inch modern TV via HDMI. Pretty good I say for $199.
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Sorry but $199 it to much, you have todo to much work to get your baby (Mad Catz M.O.J.O.) working good, more then 95% of the Android games you cannot play with JoyPad, and the biggest stupit thing Mad Catz has done is not have there own JoyPad key mapper with this Android TV BOX, like what NVIDIA shield have done, and one that is special made for the Mad Catz M.O.J.O. and his JoyPad so it will work very easy and good.
And a simple remote controller with a OFF and ON button.
And NTFS write support.
If they had done that it wold be a great Android TV BOX, but they didn't and thats why MOST people won't but the Mad Catz M.O.J.O.
Wow, you seem to have a lot of hatred toward the Mojo. I am not sure what issues you have experienced with yours, but you make it out like it is some sort of a fact that the device is not very good...which is far from fact. If you know what you are doing, setup is ridiculously easy. The setup/installation methods I had used would have been exactly what I would have done to *any* Android device. Root (if possible), sideload some of my personal apps....same thing I have done with any phone or tablet I have owned for years.
I also do not understand this whole "its SO expensive" nonsense. $199 is not too expensive for a quality built device by a reputable manufacturer that has been in the business for a VERY long long. I think $129 is too expensive for a Asian knock off device.
The rockchip is in that "Ugoos" thing. Maybe that would be an better option for you
EDIT: Ohh..now I see. You had a bad experience with yours, and Bol.com refunded your money instead of replacing the product. Now I get it. You don't own it anymore.
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Wow, you seem to have a lot of hatred toward the Mojo. I am not sure what issues you have experienced with yours, but you make it out like it is some sort of a fact that the device is not very good...which is far from fact. If you know what you are doing, setup is ridiculously easy. The setup/installation methods I had used would have been exactly what I would have done to *any* Android device. Root (if possible), sideload some of my personal apps....same thing I have done with any phone or tablet I have owned for years.
I also do not understand this whole "its SO expensive" nonsense. $199 is not too expensive for a quality built device by a reputable manufacturer that has been in the business for a VERY long long. I think $129 is too expensive for a Asian knock off device.
The rockchip is in that "Ugoos" thing. Maybe that would be an better option for you
EDIT: Ohh..now I see. You had a bad experience with yours, and Bol.com refunded your money instead of replacing the product. Now I get it. You don't own it anymore.
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No not more, but i do have hatred toward the Mojo, i just telling the facts, Most people just don't understand allot, they buy a product and think
they are done, plug and play, and sorry to say but thats not with the Mad Catz M.O.J.O.
But ALL the other Android TV BOXES have a ON OFF button and NTFS write support, and they have not a JoyPad key mapper App special for
that device, because simply it did not came with a JoyPad.
And if they just made dose 3 things, then it would have been a great Android TV Game BOX.
The NVIDIA SHIELD has a JoyPad key mapper App special for that device and thats only logical, and it has NTFS write support, they even recommend if you use a 64GB SD Card that you format it to NTFS, and copy the game DATA to it.
http://shield.nvidia.com/user-guide/sd-card/
So why did Mad Catz did that not with there M.O.J.O.?
But we will see how the ZERO Devices Z6C - RK3288 VoIP & Games will do, it looks good.
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No not more, but i do have hatred toward the Mojo, i just telling the facts, Most people just don't understand allot, they buy a product and think
they are done, plug and play, and sorry to say but thats not with the Mad Catz M.O.J.O.
But ALL the other Android TV BOXES have a ON OFF button and NTFS write support, and they have not a JoyPad key mapper App special for
that device, because simply it did not came with a JoyPad.
And if they just made dose 3 things, then it would have been a great Android TV Game BOX.
The NVIDIA SHIELD has a JoyPad key mapper App special for that device and thats only logical, and it has NTFS write support, they even recommend if you use a 64GB SD Card that you format it to NTFS, and copy the game DATA to it.
http://shield.nvidia.com/user-guide/sd-card/
So why did Mad Catz did that not with there M.O.J.O.?
But we will see how the ZERO Devices Z6C - RK3288 VoIP & Games will do, it looks good.
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The thing that gets me is that since you have had your bad experience, you have plastered these two tiny Mojo forums with nonsense about how this or that is "better", "why can't the Mojo do this", "where is the firmware", blah blah blah. If you do not care for the device the best way to protest is not to post in the forums. It is certainly not making any kind of contribution.
And you keep bringing up keymappers. Who cares about a keymapper? I personally think that they tend to suck and never work properly anyway. You would only need that to play games that were never designed for non-touch screen consoles with controllers. I only play games with controller support (everything I have run thus far does..except "Angry Birds"...which works a treat with a mouse BTW), and rarely run into anything worthwhile playing that does not. Games that do not provide controller support or in integrated method of mapping hardware buttons are simply not worth my time unless it is a game like Angry Birds that plays properly with a mouse. Why should Mad Catz compensate for games that were either designed ONLY for a touch screen (which the Mojo does not have BTW!) or games that have not been properly updated by the developers to include controller support? Controller support has been in the Android OS for quite some time....Mad Catz is not treading any new ground here. Even still, they did compensate with the inclusion of the mouse mode...something they really didn't even need to do honestly. I use a wireless mouse with mine religiously and the controller switch never moves out of controller mode. Your argument regarding this is pointless.
It is obvious that you want a system that is "plug and play", something you do not have to think about to use. You seem to keep calling out other android boxes and the Shield over and over, again and again in these forums...more or less trolling them in an attempt to spread your "Mojo hatred" gospel around.
You don't even own the device anymore. The best advice I can give you is to buy a Shield, or Mali, rockchip, YouGoose, or whatever else you want to migrate to, move to THAT forum and do something more constructive with your posts/comments. Hopefully you will not have a bad experience with one of these devices and have to migrate to a different device/forum afterward. If you think your propaganda is going to sway anyone away from the Mojo...I doubt it. An experienced user will understand its potential and make their own purchasing decisions. While you may be correct that "most users want to plug it in and be done", you are sorely mistaken with the users that navigate the XDA forums. If you believe that, my personal opinion is that you do not even belong here. This has always been the forums people come for hacking, developing, creating, modifying, etc. You do not sound to be that type of person at all.
You will see support for more things down the road as development continues and more people get their hands on the device and start chopping away at it and that requires patience, but you seem to want that quick fix. One thing is for certain and that is this is not the device for you. I am not sure really what would be. Maybe a Playstation or Xbox.
@Domomojo, the original topic starter: The title of this topic is very misleading. Mad Catz has "embraced" the FireHD? Looks like the Mojo is "dead"? Please link to a press release that states these. It's garbage like this that is the beginning of stupid rumors.
IM having the freezing issue with mine but I'm not sending mine away wouldn't want to do without it now I agree with zektor it is not dear for what you can do on this baby and its just the beginning you have to have patience in the meantime couldn't be happier with mad catz as zektor says the controller is well made I would buy a mojo 2 with tegra k1 in a heartbeat
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My guess is that the Android 4.4 update will never come. I expect MCZ to allow MOJO to wither and die on the vine. IMO.
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I disagree, MCZ doesn't have much experience with software (Android).. so I expect that's the delay.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's bundled with the Ouya release.. lol never thought I would see the day!
Mojo compared to the Amazon fire tv, I think it's still better for many reasons:
Better hardware
Best controller (PC, Android & travel clip)
Easily rooted, vanilla Google
Tegra store, 99% compatibility
The keymapper, for me is a non-issue as mentioned and if it was an issue, there's great 3rd party software.
MCZ did say they had plans for making their own mapper (mentioned in the dev docs) ... some also mentioned something about using nvidia's mapper.. but I doubt that would happen... unless the shield 2 is a tv box and MZC is making their controller also
Don't be hating on @AmigaWolf, he's just particular about his devices... even as an Ex-mojo own he's welcome here
BTW, I agree that ZERO Devices Z6C looks very cheap, make sure you buy it from a good place where you can return it
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@Domomojo, the original topic starter: The title of this topic is very misleading. Mad Catz has "embraced" the FireHD? Looks like the Mojo is "dead"? Please link to a press release that states these. It's garbage like this that is the beginning of stupid rumors.
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You're aware that the Amazon FireTV Controller is a Mad Catz product right?
With respect to the pending demise (strictly my opinion) of the MOJO, unfortunately, a certain minimum number of ongoing unit sales are required in order for a company to continue to develop and support a product. MOJO doesn't seem to be hitting that number. The fact that it requires rooting to access most content renders it unappealing to the masses, and there just aren't enough "hard core" Android gamers out there willing to drop $199 on the console to keep it going IMO. The MOJO is better from a hardware perspective, but not that much better. The average buyer will be much more satisfied (and much less frustrated) with a $99 FireTV paired with a $49 CTLRr.
PS: The $49 CTRLr supports both BT4 and BT2.2, no dongle required. The controller supplied with the MOJO (when I bought mine anyway) requires a dongle, which wastes the USB 3.0 port, and complicates using the controller with other mobile platforms not yet supporting Android 4.4.
Domomojo said:
You're aware that the Amazon FireTV Controller is a Mad Catz product right?
With respect to the pending demise (strictly my opinion) of the MOJO, unfortunately, a certain minimum number of ongoing unit sales are required in order for a company to continue to develop and support a product. MOJO doesn't seem to be hitting that number. The fact that it requires rooting to access most content renders it unappealing to the masses, and there just aren't enough "hard core" Android gamers out there willing to drop $199 on the console to keep it going IMO. The MOJO is better from a hardware perspective, but not that much better. The average buyer will be much more satisfied (and much less frustrated) with a $99 FireTV paired with a $49 CTLRr.
PS: The $49 CTRLr supports both BT4 and BT2.2, no dongle required. The controller supplied with the MOJO (when I bought mine anyway) requires a dongle, which wastes the USB 3.0 port, and complicates using the controller with other mobile platforms not yet supporting Android 4.4.
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Mad Catz is in the controller business and has been for decades. I guess they are "embracing" everything. If the "pending demise" is opinion, edit your topic title to reflect that. As it stands now, you are conveying that it is fact, which it is not. You also mention Mojo not hitting the numbers. I am guess you have some insider information and have some sales numbers? Press releases? Anything to actually back up what you are telling people?
The fact that the Fire tv uses Amazon's OS is reason enough not to want that system. Doesn't seem likes its been rooted yet? The fact that the MOJO has easy root access and standard Android is a huge plus in my opinion. I agree, your average plug and play user would probably not like it.
The CTRLR is an awesome controller and MadCatz should be trying to get it on as many Android tv devices as possible, it just makes good business sense. I don't really see how that relates to MadCatz giving up on the MOJO. Really, the only reason you may need a different remote or keyboard is if you type a lot. The low battery usage alone is a huge plus added in.
I am anxiously awaiting the kit kat update and OUYA update, so hopefully they do come. We always complain when things are rushed out and don't work appropriately, but then we complain when something doesn't come quick enough. Hopefully its just a case of all the ducks in a line.
christoph80 said:
The fact that the Fire tv uses Amazon's OS is reason enough not to want that system. Doesn't seem likes its been rooted yet? The fact that the MOJO has easy root access and standard Android is a huge plus in my opinion. I agree, your average plug and play user would probably not like it.
The CTRLR is an awesome controller and MadCatz should be trying to get it on as many Android tv devices as possible, it just makes good business sense. I don't really see how that relates to MadCatz giving up on the MOJO. Really, the only reason you may need a different remote or keyboard is if you type a lot. The low battery usage alone is a huge plus added in.
I am anxiously awaiting the kit kat update and OUYA update, so hopefully they do come. We always complain when things are rushed out and don't work appropriately, but then we complain when something doesn't come quick enough. Hopefully its just a case of all the ducks in a line.
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Not only is it not rooted yet and no real way to sideload apps, but it still has no keyboard support. It's not even in the same league as the Mojo. I am not knocking the FireTV however, I think it is a neat device for the average user. I just expect a lot more out of my devices
zektor said:
Who cares about a keymapper?
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SO you buy (like you say) a Android Game TV BOX, but you don't care about games?
So you only want to play a hand full of GOOD Android games, because most are noting special, and the good games works most of the time
only with tough screen, only 1% of the games on android (maybe even less) works with a JoyPad.
you are sorely mistaken with the users that navigate the XDA forums. If you believe that, my personal opinion is that you do not even
belong here. This has always been the forums people come for hacking, developing, creating, modifying, etc. You do not sound to be that type
of person at all.
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Sorry but only about 1% of the people are going to XDA that want to buy a Android Game TV BOX like the M.O.J.O., yes later some go to XDA,
because they thought they bought a easy Android Game TV BOX, where they could play allot of games on.
You will see support for more things down the road as development continues and more people get their hands on the device and start
chopping away at it and that requires patience, but you seem to want that quick fix.
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Sorry to say but the Mad Catz M.O.J.O. is already 7 a 8 mounts on the market and still we have not the basics, NTFS write support and
JoyPad key mapper App special for that device, and maybe thats not in portent to you but it is for the 99% of the people that want a good
Android Game TV BOX, thats cost $199, and also $ 200,- is allot of money for most people for just a Android Game TV BOX (with of course a
JoyPad).
And the fact you need to Root to access most content is also unappealing to the masses, just like Domomojo says.
Mad Catz is in the controller business and has been for decades. I guess they are "embracing" everything. If the "pending demise" is opinion, edit your topic title to reflect that. As it stands now, you are conveying that it is fact, which it is not. You also mention Mojo not hitting the numbers. I am guess you have some insider information and have some sales numbers? Press releases? Anything to actually back up what you are telling people?
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And sorry to say but if i look at Amazon and Newegg i see only a view people buying the Mad Catz M.O.J.O., and it get less stars and eggs then the
NVIDIA SHIELD, and that IS bad for business.
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Don't be hating on @AmigaWolf, he's just particular about his devices... even as an
Ex-mojo own he's welcome here
BTW, I agree that ZERO Devices Z6C looks very cheap, make sure you buy it from a good place where you can return it
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And thank you for your kind words gwaldo, and yes i was just venting a little bit, but sorry to say the ZERO Devices Z6C does not look more
cheaper then the Mad Catz M.O.J.O., because the M.O.J.O. is also only made of plastic, and thats also one thing Mad Catz had to
made different, because it feels and looks cheap.
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Mad Catz is in the controller business and has been for decades. I guess they are "embracing" everything. If the "pending demise" is opinion, edit your topic title to reflect that. As it stands now, you are conveying that it is fact, which it is not. You also mention Mojo not hitting the numbers. I am guess you have some insider information and have some sales numbers? Press releases? Anything to actually back up what you are telling people?
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Mad Catz is in the controller business, and has been for decades, but they've never made a private label controller for Amazon's FireTV have they? I'd call that "embracing" the device. I'm sure they hope Amazon sells a billion FireTVs, each one with a pair of controllers. As far as editing my title, I think "Looks like" is qualifier enough. WRT information, everything I know is in the public domain. do your own homework. All that said, I have no reason to want MOJO not to be a commercial success. I just don't think the company has the resources to make it a commercial success. I don't even think they're selling enough units to continue to dedicate manpower to supporting the unit. Time will tell.
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Mad Catz is in the controller business, and has been for decades, but they've never made a private label controller for Amazon's FireTV have they? I'd call that "embracing" the device. I'm sure they hope Amazon sells a billion FireTVs, each one with a pair of controllers. As far as editing my title, I think "Looks like" is qualifier enough. WRT information, everything I know is in the public domain. do your own homework. All that said, I have no reason to want MOJO not to be a commercial success. I just don't think the company has the resources to make it a commercial success. I don't even think they're selling enough units to continue to dedicate manpower to supporting the unit. Time will tell.
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At least you own the device and want it to succeed. Unlike the "other" poster that does not own it and seems to be making his life's mission to dissuade people from purchasing it (and keeps promoting other junk) and to continually whine about why it doesn't have something that >he< wants. It's really getting old now. I love the Mojo and want to contribute to it, but it might not be in these forums as there seems to be no control over this idiocy.
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And thank you for your kind words gwaldo, and yes i was just venting a little bit, but sorry to say the ZERO Devices Z6C does not look more
cheaper then the Mad Catz M.O.J.O., because the M.O.J.O. is also only made of plastic, and thats also one thing Mad Catz had to
made different, because it feels and looks cheap.
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What's cheap about he mojo? (apart from software issues) it's good quality.. the pics on that device (IMHO) look nasty cheap.. but i'm not one for aesthetics so I don't care what it looks like... but with tech it's sometimes better to pay extra for good tech that out performs the cheaper tech.
An old Ukraine friend once said to me, 'if you have to ask how much it is, you can't afford it' and 'buy cheap, buy it twice'... stuck with me.
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I love the Mojo and want to contribute to it, but it might not be in these forums as there seems to be no control over this idiocy.
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There's no idiocy.. it's the internet.. embrace free speech (while we have it!).
Don't let the hardcore tech freaks get you down.. I'm a fan of the mojo.. I wrote a bit about it on my site (http://xpcoin.com)
This is the largest forum for the mojo that I know of.. shame it's not bigger but it's niche and not $99.
There will be a turning point when people will want a mojo. Competitors like fireTV , google, cheaper devices all help the mojo because people will compare it... and some will see the advantages to having a better quality unity.
Today most don't, but I see this changing as android evolves and it's users, nvidia is heavily invested in this also.
I dont know if the mojo is a success or failure from MCZ point of view.. but for being among the first 'micro-consoles' and not selling out (ie ouya's nasty controller), it's ahead of the pack.. and positioned for the future (K1 etc)
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What's cheap about he mojo? (apart from software issues) it's good quality.. the pics on that device (IMHO) look nasty cheap.. but i'm not one for aesthetics so I don't care what it looks like... but with tech it's sometimes better to pay extra for good tech that out performs the cheaper tech.
An old Ukraine friend once said to me, 'if you have to ask how much it is, you can't afford it' and 'buy cheap, buy it twice'... stuck with me.
There's no idiocy.. it's the internet.. embrace free speech (while we have it!).
Don't let the hardcore tech freaks get you down.. I'm a fan of the mojo.. I wrote a bit about it on my site (http://xpcoin.com)
This is the largest forum for the mojo that I know of.. shame it's not bigger but it's niche and not $99.
There will be a turning point when people will want a mojo. Competitors like fireTV , google, cheaper devices all help the mojo because people will compare it... and some will see the advantages to having a better quality unity.
Today most don't, but I see this changing as android evolves and it's users, nvidia is heavily invested in this also.
I dont know if the mojo is a success or failure from MCZ point of view.. but for being among the first 'micro-consoles' and not selling out (ie ouya's nasty controller), it's ahead of the pack.. and positioned for the future (K1 etc)
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No worries at all. I laugh at people like this doof. The sad part is that he knows deep down that the Mojo is the best set top box available currently, but he had issues and was not able to obtain another one. Now, the Shield and the Mali, and the Rockchip, and the...whatever is what he is trying to sell to the public to try to dissuade them from getting the device that he deep down really wants to own. I can read between the lines AmigaWolf. I know you want the Mojo but can't obtain it now. I am sorry for your loss. You will get it again, you just need to save up a little bit.
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No worries at all. I laugh at people like this doof. The sad part is that he knows deep down that the Mojo is the best set top box available currently, but he had issues and was not able to obtain another one. Now, the Shield and the Mali, and the Rockchip, and the...whatever is what he is trying to sell to the public to try to dissuade them from getting the device that he deep down really wants to own. I can read between the lines AmigaWolf. I know you want the Mojo but can't obtain it now. I am sorry for your loss. You will get it again, you just need to save up a little bit.
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I know it's hard to hear the truth, i feel for you i really do.