I have the white GT-I9100M with LP6.
1. First of all the camera seems to be the old camera. The shutter speed hasn't improved, and the panorama feature hardly compares to how it works on the Nexus.
2. The launcher and widgets don't compare to the Nexus ones.
3. Where the hell is NFC??
Overall this feels more like a ICS-themed rom rather than a real ICS comparable to the Galaxy Nexus.
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1. First of all the camera seems to be the old camera. The shutter speed hasn't improved, and the panorama feature hardly compares to how it works on the Nexus.
2. The launcher and widgets don't compare to the Nexus ones.
3. Where the hell is NFC??
Overall this feels more like a ICS-themed rom rather than a real ICS comparable to the Galaxy Nexus.
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You're going to be waiting for a LONG time for a firmware update to bring NFC to come to this phone.
1. It's still beta.
2. It's still beta.
3. NFC will enable when it's your birthday. So for the sake of everyone who has a GSII, when's your birthday?
There is also weird differences between the S2 and the GN. For example, the GN only has a 1.3mp front camera and supports 720p videochat. While the S2 has a 2mp front camera and doesn't support 720p videochat.
The LP6 beta is buggy and slow and drains battery. If it is this bad right now, we'll probably be waiting for months for ICS to be released!
Yay, another ICS thread. We haven't got enough of these in this forum.
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There is also weird differences between the S2 and the GN. For example, the GN only has a 1.3mp front camera and supports 720p videochat. While the S2 has a 2mp front camera and doesn't support 720p videochat.
The LP6 beta is buggy and slow and drains battery. If it is this bad right now, we'll probably be waiting for months for ICS to be released!
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Does anyone know if 720p videochat support is something that can be activated in the future with a firmware upgrade, or is it something that is hardware restricted?
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Does anyone know if 720p videochat support is something that can be activated in the future with a firmware upgrade, or is it something that is hardware restricted?
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1) The GN isn't beta. LP6 is.
2) The camera firmware doesn't change with LP6. So it's obvious it hasn't changed.
3) AOSP vs Samsung ROM is never representative
4) Final samsung release is slated for end of march anyway, so yeah... we'll be waiting months for final features.
5) ????
6) Profit!
If you like the GN so much, buy it and give me your sgs2.
Oh and NFC isn't a software upgrade. It's a non existant hardware inside our phones.
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1) The GN isn't beta. LP6 is.
2) The camera firmware doesn't change with LP6. So it's obvious it hasn't changed.
3) AOSP vs Samsung ROM is never representative
4) Final samsung release is slated for end of march anyway, so yeah... we'll be waiting months for final features.
5) ????
6) Profit!
If you like the GN so much, buy it and give me your sgs2.
Oh and NFC isn't a software upgrade. It's a non existant hardware inside our phones.
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Your numbers don't correspond with the questions. What does your #5 and #6 answer?
And you didn't respond to the 720p videochat support question you referenced in your response.
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Your numbers don't correspond with the questions. What does your #5 and #6 answer?
And you didn't respond to the 720p videochat support question you referenced in your response.
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Your second question was answered by point #4. Read between the lines...
Your first question though, I had 5 and 6 to illustrate that humor is a nice passtime for someone watching the Canadiens losing 2 to 1. Also that there's obviously a few things missing in your research/reasoning to get the bigger picture on these two phones...
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NFC? Really? You must be kidding!
I want my next software update to add an extra 2 cores and 1GB of ram as well as another 3 battery's to my phone, pretty plz.
slightly srs answer:
Camera shutter speed = Hardware
NFC = hardware issue
Samsung builds will always be samsung themed, they are not going to totally change the look of the rom, so yes, it will always look like a samsung/touchwizz themed rom.
Also beta is beta!
Derp derp.
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Does anyone know if 720p videochat support is something that can be activated in the future with a firmware upgrade, or is it something that is hardware restricted?
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Can anyone answer this question? I'm guessing that if the S2 doesn't support 720p videochat now, then it is incapable of this. It is sad though- that a 1.3mp cam on the GN will support it while a 2mp cam on the S2 doesn't!
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Can anyone answer this question? I'm guessing that if the S2 doesn't support 720p videochat now, then it is incapable of this. It is sad though- that a 1.3mp cam on the GN will support it while a 2mp cam on the S2 doesn't!
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It WAS answered.
Ok let me clarify if it's still not clear: It's a feature that probably wasn't added yet. If a camera at 1.3 supports it, most likely a camera at 2mp will support it if the proper software goes with it. Most likely the hardware codec support wasn't added and that's needed. But anyway, why would you even want 720p video chat?? Sounds like too much bandwidth to me.
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Complain after the end of march.. they said a stable one will be released at the end of march..
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It WAS answered.
Ok let me clarify if it's still not clear: It's a feature that probably wasn't added yet. If a camera at 1.3 supports it, most likely a camera at 2mp will support it if the proper software goes with it. Most likely the hardware codec support wasn't added and that's needed. But anyway, why would you even want 720p video chat?? Sounds like too much bandwidth to me.
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There are many Logitech cams which are 2mp and 5mp, yet don't support 720p videochat or Skype HD. In such cases it is obviously a hardware restriction.
The Droid Razr is advertised as supporting 720p videochat, and so is the GN. However the Droid Razr is still on Gingerbread. If the S2 was capable or upgradeable for 720p videochat, wouldn't it have been advertised already?
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There are many Logitech cams which are 2mp and 5mp, yet don't support 720p videochat or Skype HD. In such cases it is obviously a hardware restriction.
The Droid Razr is advertised as supporting 720p videochat, and so is the GN. However the Droid Razr is still on Gingerbread. If the S2 was capable or upgradeable for 720p videochat, wouldn't it have been advertised already?
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That's what's marvelous about a dev community in open source... If samsung doesn't do it, someone could.
I've seen cams that had no 720p support suddenly get it by dev work. So no, hardware limitations is NOT always the case.
But seriously, if you love the nexus so much, sell your sgs2 and go buy it. Coming on a cell phone's forum to say it sucks compared to another phone is never well received.
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i missed the part where this was beginning to be a GN thread...i beg you bro read their answers...its all there!
I don't really know what android 4 feels like and what I can do is with whatever roms are available right now, I try to pick the 'best' one. Yep they are all betas pretty much but some are better than others. Got to be happy with what we've got mate.
There are some differences, but on things like camera/nfc there'll be hw differences too.
Some of samsungs apps are different, but that doesn't mean they're always less good. For example they're by default black, oled friendly themed. Contacts as links which I don't think AOSP has.
The LP6 rom can work well - fast, good battery life, pretty stable for a leaked version. You can run apps that need ICS. The new task manager, notification features are there. I actally like touchwiz (except for no alpha sort), but can install a different launcher (like nova) if I want to.
Sure there are some differences from stck android - and one could have a huge debate on the whole issue of manufacturer theming but samsung aren't imo doing a bad job at all here.
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5) ????
6) Profit
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This made me laugh epicly hard. Thank you for that.
Fwiw, its from southpark. The underpants gnomes episode
Step 1: steal underpants
Step2: ?
Step3: profit!
Anyways, back on topic. Megapixels don't have anything to do with camera quality. That is determined by lens quality. Megapixels refer to what SIZE image is produce I.e. HxW or something like 1920x1080. So if you want a higher quality picture you need a higher quality lens. Look into dslr and other cameras and you will see what I mean. Image color, clarity and focus is determined more by the overall quality of lens versus how many megapixels it has.
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Just to start a discussion.
everyone knows N1 is capable of doing video recording on 720p.
I am just wondering, why google does not officially release such capability? Or do you think they just want user to root it and do whatever they want? Desire has it anyway.
I am so looking forward to an official 720p, if it ever happens.
Because of the bit rate and frame rate. It's not good enough to do it over 24 FPS consistently.
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Because of the bit rate and frame rate. It's not good enough to do it over 24 FPS consistently.
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Because of the lens?
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Because of the lens?
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ok, that too. ;-)
it does a really nice job @ 800xwhatever, but 720p is just too much. it starts having artifacts if there is any motion at all, and any panning/tilting turns the picture terrible. just what i've experienced.
using the latest CM6 nightly i have yet to come across any issues with it, i actually like it, but yea compare it to a real HD camera (not the Evo) but a handheld camera the 720p is crap
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using the latest CM6 nightly i have yet to come across any issues with it, i actually like it, but yea compare it to a real HD camera (not the Evo) but a handheld camera the 720p is crap
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Yeah. But that's obvious. You spend probably around 300 for a good 720p camera ya know?
I hate to bring it up, but why can the iPhone 4 handle HD video so well? It has a 5MP sensor just like the N1. Any ideas? Because I know this sensor could handle it if the iPhone's could. Am I wrong?
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Because of the bit rate and frame rate. It's not good enough to do it over 24 FPS consistently.
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Well rooted N1s and desires are able to do it. Better than what HTC gave in the official froyo update too.
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Yeah. But that's obvious. You spend probably around 300 for a good 720p camera ya know?
I hate to bring it up, but why can the iPhone 4 handle HD video so well? It has a 5MP sensor just like the N1. Any ideas? Because I know this sensor could handle it if the iPhone's could. Am I wrong?
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I don't think it's the sensor. I think it has to do with how fast the phone can take data from that sensor and do something with it. It can't keep up with the camera flooding it with data at 24 FPS at 720p.
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Yeah. But that's obvious. You spend probably around 300 for a good 720p camera ya know?
I hate to bring it up, but why can the iPhone 4 handle HD video so well? It has a 5MP sensor just like the N1. Any ideas? Because I know this sensor could handle it if the iPhone's could. Am I wrong?
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megapixel sensor size doesn't equate to the quality of a camera.
The hardware in the iphone4 is better than that of the nexus one.
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megapixel sensor size doesn't equate to the quality of a camera.
The hardware in the iphone4 is better than that of the nexus one.
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Yeah I knew that. I didn't know if the iPhone's hardware was better. I didn't think it was.
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It's all about politics, they don't want to sell you a phone that can do everything, they want you to spend more money on the next best thing. That's the consumer market for you
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It's all about politics, they don't want to sell you a phone that can do everything, they want you to spend more money on the next best thing. That's the consumer market for you
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Aka, see Google Nexus One.
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It's all about politics, they don't want to sell you a phone that can do everything, they want you to spend more money on the next best thing. That's the consumer market for you
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A bit better (and closer to the truth) explanation would be:
Google have X engineering "horsepower" that can only do Y stuff in a given amount of time. They can:
1) Spend more time upgrading their DEVELOPER phone capabilities (which was never intended to be anything but developer phone) for the sake of the VERY FEW customers that bought this phone while it was in commercial stage (Nexus owners are a tiny percentage of Android device owners),
2) Spend more time enhancing Android system for ALL the current and future customers of ALL phone manufacturers.
Guess which one they would prefer? Not a hard guess, right?
Yes, unfortunately, it's not the one you would prefer.
The same goes for "why not improved graphics driver", "why not improved N support", etc.
I 2nd that.I think that Google engineers are more into improving android os as a whole.
OP,didn't you notice how many updates and radios the desire has compared to ours?
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The iphone4 does 720p and movement really, really well, i was shocked, and admittedly a little jealous. When it is said that the Iphone4's "hardware" is better, is it that the I4's hardware has better quality, or does it just have better specs? In other words, the I4 doesnt have a full ghz processor right? But is it just much better quality? I dont really know what im talking about im just very interested in 720/HD recording on smartphones, definitely a prerequisite going forward...thanks
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The iphone4 does 720p and movement really, really well, i was shocked, and admittedly a little jealous. When it is said that the Iphone4's "hardware" is better, is it that the I4's hardware has better quality, or does it just have better specs? In other words, the I4 doesnt have a full ghz processor right? But is it just much better quality? I dont really know what im talking about im just very interested in 720/HD recording on smartphones, definitely a prerequisite going forward...thanks
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yeah, even when I tested the iPhone 2G camera that has 2MP sensor, it's photo quality was alot better than my Nexus. just the resolution is bigger in Nexus. and iPhone 4 has a Apple A4 1 GHZ processor, that equals almost the same CPU on Nexus but with different GPU on iPhone (PowerVR SGX). it just does it really really well.
The CPU and its main frequency has exactly nothing to do w/ video encoding, most probably. Encoding/decoding in small-scale devices is usually implemented by separate subsystems (packaged with the CPU - that's why they call it SoC).
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The CPU and its main frequency has exactly nothing to do w/ video encoding, most probably. Encoding/decoding in small-scale devices is usually implemented by separate subsystems (packaged with the CPU - that's why they call it SoC).
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i see, so Apple spent a good deal of efforts to specifically make the camera so good...It wasnt just that they made the phone well, and in turn that solid hardware allowed for good camera quality.
I dont even use the N1 video recorder very often but for some reason I really want better capabilities, maybe if I did have much higher fps and resolution I would use it a lot. Currently the fps are really poor, any movement is a blur regardless of the amount of light. And of course 480 is quite dated. But the phone is otherwise top notch, and the 5mp camera is really solid and i use it a lot, under varied conditions.
I imagine the internal memory vs. whatever SD card a normal consumer would get might also play a part. The Android devices that do have 720p officially all have internal memory ( >1GB ), right? So the manufacturers can control the quality of memory used. I would think that Google/HTC would get lots more complaints from the general population who got bargain basement cards from the back of a truck and expected everything to perform flawlessly. I also agree with above points about the hardware and subsystems. So many variables. But that's also why I like the Android platform. You have a choice (and not just 16GB vs. 32GB locked to one carrier with a contract).
zachthemaster said:
Yeah. But that's obvious. You spend probably around 300 for a good 720p camera ya know?
I hate to bring it up, but why can the iPhone 4 handle HD video so well? It has a 5MP sensor just like the N1. Any ideas? Because I know this sensor could handle it if the iPhone's could. Am I wrong?
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IF I remember correctly, Charansingh said the Iphone achieved 720p by duplicating the image thereby increasing fps to achieve 720p...or something like that. The amount of available light controls the phones ability to reach higher fps. I've gotten 26fps outdoors in bright light. The N1 is set to a max of 30fps, but will only do 1/2 of that indoors. fwiw
hi..i m currently using the native camera app to capture videos...video quality is very good...but the audio is crap...i was recording a live concert...not exactly a concert though...live music performance...the video turned out very good but the audio really sucked...
since the phones mic is the only source...i would like to know if there is an app that can record good quality videos with decent sound...?
Or is there anyway i can remove noise from the recordings using a software on the pc...any convertor that will convert the video to a format which will output the audio better.
P.S the audio is real bad...just not acceptable...its very hazzy and full of noise
Note : settings used were...720p..mpeg4 codec.
Please HELP !!
I second the OPs inquiry...
The answer, as always, is CM. Video and audio quality is superior in CM.
2.3 fixes this via a new ACC codec. CM7, which is very much alpha, is the best choice. Whether that's worth flashing just for that fix is up to you.
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Award Tour said:
2.3 fixes this via a new ACC codec. CM7, which is very much alpha, is the best choice. Whether that's worth flashing just for that fix is up to you.
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Don't do this yet, though. The camcorder is still not working on CM7.
i hv no time to flash CM or 2.3 right now...was looking for a quick fix...some app/codec or tweak that will enable me to record better audio...or i don mind if theres a software for the pc which will rectify the recordings later...i need to do 3 hrs of live recording tomm...and sound is very vital !
i too would love better audio
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Don't do this yet, though. The camcorder is still not working on CM7.
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My video camera is working fine for me....
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techspark said:
i hv no time to flash CM or 2.3 right now...was looking for a quick fix...some app/codec or tweak that will enable me to record better audio...or i don mind if theres a software for the pc which will rectify the recordings later...i need to do 3 hrs of live recording tomm...and sound is very vital !
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If it is so vital and you don't have time to flash a ROM, then march yourself to Best Buy or your nearest electronics store and buy a camcorder. Relying on a "phone" to record "vital" video and audio is not the way to go.
^^ camcorder is out of budget...already spent a lot on d evo..so need to wait a while to get a good camcorder...
[offtopic]do camcorders record audio better..or do u need to buy some production mic to get better audio on video recordings in scenerios like music concerts..? Are there some ports on the camcorder to feed in the audio thru cables etc ?
yes, the video quality is pretty bad even at the max settings. i've never been happy with it.
if you got it less than a month ago, and the video is THAT important to you, you should return the phone and get an even exchange for the Samsung Epic.
The video recording on the Epic is amazing. Even better than the iPhone 4. My wife has it and i'm totally jealous of her video quality, which rivals our flip camcorder.
Besides that, the Evo is a much better phone in almost every way.
but if you're specifically looking for an amazing camcorder and not much else, go get yourself an Epic.
i got it 2 months back.
i donno but technically evo should record better video and audio as opposed to epic...the fact that evo has 8mp...mpeg4 codecs and features like light correction etc...i know 8mp don matter much but technically more the pixels better is the resolution and naturally better quality....is software the culprit in case of evo or is it that i m missing something abt the hardware of both phones ?
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i got it 2 months back.
i donno but technically evo should record better video and audio as opposed to epic...the fact that evo has 8mp...mpeg4 codecs and features like light correction etc...i know 8mp don matter much but technically more the pixels better is the resolution and naturally better quality....is software the culprit in case of evo or is it that i m missing something abt the hardware of both phones ?
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The point that you are missing is you are trying to use a phone as a replacement for a camcorder.
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i got it 2 months back.
i donno but technically evo should record better video and audio as opposed to epic...the fact that evo has 8mp...mpeg4 codecs and features like light correction etc...i know 8mp don matter much but technically more the pixels better is the resolution and naturally better quality....is software the culprit in case of evo or is it that i m missing something abt the hardware of both phones ?
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MP means very little outside of how many pixels at maximum the photo can be made of. With EVO vs Epic video recording its a non issue since both record at the same size -720p- and no larger. Outside of MP, the Epic's sensor is just better; it may capture less pixels at its maximum but the pixels that it does capture will be of higher quality. A lot of people have said that the Epic takes better photos than the iPhone 4; and we just had a long thread where it was found out that the reason why the iPhone 4 shoots better than the EVO is because it does indeed have a better sensor. That's likely the same reason why the SGS/Epic are better too.
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MP means very little outside of how many pixels at maximum the photo can be made of. With EVO vs Epic video recording its a non issue since both record at the same size -720p- and no larger. Outside of MP, the Epic's sensor is just better; it may capture less pixels at its maximum but the pixels that it does capture will be of higher quality. A lot of people have said that the Epic takes better photos than the iPhone 4; and we just had a long thread where it was found out that the reason why the iPhone 4 shoots better than the EVO is because it does indeed have a better sensor. That's likely the same reason why the SGS/Epic are better too.
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Exactly.
HTC makes great phones, but are notorious for making horrible camera sensors. This is because, besides from tacking them on to phones, the DON'T MAKE CAMERAS and have no experience in it and little budget to fix it up.
On the other hand, Samsung has been making digital cameras for the last 10 years and are even better known for their cameras than their phones. So, they have more money and research behind this form of technology. So they just slay at making cameras for phones as well.
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Exactly.
HTC makes great phones, but are notorious for making horrible camera sensors. This is because, besides from tacking them on to phones, the DON'T MAKE CAMERAS and have no experience in it and little budget to fix it up.
On the other hand, Samsung has been making digital cameras for the last 10 years and are even better known for their cameras than their phones. So, they have more money and research behind this form of technology. So they just slay at making cameras for phones as well.
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which is why i want a Galaxy S phone on Sprint but no slideout keyboard...Epic without keyboard. Come on Sprint!
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HTC makes great phones, but are notorious for making horrible camera sensors. This is because, besides from tacking them on to phones, the DON'T MAKE CAMERAS and have no experience in it and little budget to fix it up.
On the other hand, Samsung has been making digital cameras for the last 10 years and are even better known for their cameras than their phones. So, they have more money and research behind this form of technology. So they just slay at making cameras for phones as well.
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If this is the case, I wish HTC would buy their camera sensors from Samsung...
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If this is the case, I wish HTC would buy their camera sensors from Samsung...
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Has very little to do with what he said. The iPhone and EVO use sensors from the same company. The difference is in product direction. Apple aims for quality, HTC aims for numbers. People expect Apple products to be easy and to work good; most of them don't have a clue what a mega pixel is or does. HTC doesn't have the same product positioning as Apple so they rely on marketing numbers to persuade people (3 more MP then the iPhone 4!!!). At least that's my view.
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The answer, as always, is CM. Video and audio quality is superior in CM.
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Is this really true? I always though that whenever i recorded or took pics with a CM rom it look a little bit better pics or shot better vids than any sense rom just did not know it was ture, or is it? What makes it better?
Hello guys...
I have DHD rooted so I was searching some files with root explorer and I found this:
In sys/android_camera there is a file with name sensor.
So I opened this file with Root Explorer (View as text) and inside I saw the model of camera sensor that DHD uses and it's the OmniVision ov8810 8M...
After a little search in the web I found the official description of this sensor and you can find it here http://www.ovt.com/products/sensor.php?id=61#specifications.
From the Product Specifications you can see that the sensor can take video at 1080p.
So I assumed that we have the hardware but we miss the software...
Am I right???
Interesting. It can even take 720p in 60FPS, which would be veeery nice.
Ohh, interesting...
This does not surprise me. HTC is well-known for hampering their cameras. Maybe in an OTA later on or some crafty XDAer will check this out. I suggest PM'ing the ones who got 720p on the various other phones so they can check this out.
By the way, if my thoughts are correct and my eyes don't fool me, it says "10 @ Full"... even though I'm thinking this is full 8mp @ 10fps recording, this just does not seem real. No way in hell.
1080p? Honestly? I mean, it barely manages to capture [email protected]*, let alone [email protected], not to mention 1080p. I know DHD is one of the most powerful phone today, but I seriously doubt it has enough grunt to record at anything over 720p. Of course, I would be very glad if I could be proven wrong, but I'm affraid it won't happen .
Most of all, I would like to see it record video in [email protected] properly, especially in low(ish) light conditions.
On the brighter side, the image sensor does seem to be able to record in [email protected], [email protected] or indeed 10fps in full res, but I imagine it would require pretty fast memory card.
*Or it could be just stock SD card write speed limitation, but I doubt it.
gsmarena.com has been bashing the DHD's camera, in their latest review of the SE arc they even say that DHD is worthy of a true 8 megapixel camera comparison
i'm not on the latest rom so i can't tell if they've really made any improvements on the camera quality and i haven't been taking enough pictures to judge but i think there's no point in having 1080*60fps if the quality of the videos is ****
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in their latest review of the SE arc they even say that DHD is worthy of a true 8 megapixel camera comparison
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They said DHD is not worthy of a true 8 megapixel camera comparison. Corrected that for you.
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They said DHD is not worthy of a true 8 megapixel camera comparison. Corrected that for you.
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DHD can't match the quality of my 7mp camera. Lenses make all the difference, megapixels alone are pretty useless.
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I use a custom ROM that is based in 1.72 and I have a class10 MicroSD and the video on 720p is very good with no lags...
So the thing I mentioned in first post is that the hardware seems to be capable to shoot in 30 @ 1080p.
No if the phone with all other parts is capable is another thing that some developers could answer...
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DHD can't match the quality of my 7mp camera. Lenses make all the difference, megapixels alone are pretty useless.
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Bang on!
But as a phone I fell DHDs camera is good enough, well for me anyway.
I would certainly like to see how the phone would handle 1080p recording lol, just for fun.
The CPU does not support video encoding above 720p 30fps.
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The CPU does not support video encoding above 720p 30fps.
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Only the dual cores that comeing up to future phones support encoding above 720p??
Frankly, DHD can't match my Nokia N95 from 2007, let alone my Sony 4mpix camera from 2006.
my one is different
samsung S5K3H1GX 8M
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Really???
That's strange... HTC put different hardware in the same device???
That's not fare cause I assume that Samsung's sensor might be better than mine...
Mine has a samsung S5K3H1GX 8M
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Really???
That's strange... HTC put different hardware in the same device???
That's not fare cause I assume that Samsung's sensor might be better than mine...
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Mine also has a samsung S5K3H1GX 8M, and I can assure you it can't be better than yours
I like taking photos, but I never expected a phone to do too much.
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kalagas said:
Really???
That's strange... HTC put different hardware in the same device???
That's not fare cause I assume that Samsung's sensor might be better than mine...
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I have no qualms about the camera, for me it is 3 times better than my old Touch HD
how to check ? mind have guides please ?
For video recording, i think galaxy s2 is better compare to iphone 4...
The gs2's camera has a sense of clarity i really like and the iphone 4's camera has more vibrant colors.
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Yes, galaxy s 2 is total win for me because all the colours are natural.
Using GSMarena's photo compare tool the SGSII is significantly better than the iPhone 4. Its video is also better. Its browser is much better. In all the categories mentioned in the OPs thread the winner is clear.
For me sharpness and clarity are the most important things for the camera. Colour can be fixed easily in photoshop. Even the old pink centre glow issue the early HD2 ROMs had could be fixed
The overall image quality is definetly better (especially in the night video!), however one can clearly see that the S2 struggles with auto-focus (something that's been mentioned in many reviews too). Hoping it can be improved with software updates, but I'm afraid its a flaw in the hardware used by Samsung.
@ around 1:20 of the video, the light sources captured in the Iphone4 is a bit distracting (not sure whats the proper term for that.). I find it annoying.
Also +1 to SGS2's natural capture and Iphone 4's vibrant colors. I prefer the SGS2's video, specially on the initial part of the video where they are capturing/filming the sky.
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The overall image quality is definetly better (especially in the night video!), however one can clearly see that the S2 struggles with auto-focus (something that's been mentioned in many reviews too). Hoping it can be improved with software updates, but I'm afraid its a flaw in the hardware used by Samsung.
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Show us your proof.
murklor said:
The overall image quality is definetly better (especially in the night video!), however one can clearly see that the S2 struggles with auto-focus (something that's been mentioned in many reviews too). Hoping it can be improved with software updates, but I'm afraid its a flaw in the hardware used by Samsung.
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Would you please explain a little more about this?
I am very impressed overall with my SGS2 but I have found the autofocus to be especially poor when recording video in 1080p. I am hoping this can be fixed with an update to the phone.
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Show us your proof.
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The fact that he says so on a forum should be enough to prove that he is indeed afraid that it's a flaw in the hardware used by samsung. I don't need more proof.
Edit : Also, experience has told me not to count on software upgrades to correct flows (for example with the glitchy touchscreen on my Nexus One)
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The fact that he says so on a forum should be enough to prove that he is indeed afraid that it's a flaw in the hardware used by samsung. I don't need more proof.
Edit : Also, experience has told me not to count on software upgrades to correct flows (for example with the glitchy touchscreen on my Nexus One)
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His post is saying that he knows for certain that it's a hardware flaw, if this is the case then he needs to back up his statement with proof.
Also if you flow problem I suggest a visit to the urologist.
If you don't need proof then that's just great for you, I have some prime estate I would like to sell you for a couple of million dollars but I don't have any pictures or documentation to prove that own this land though. I hope that wouldn't be a problem.
I dont realy get the auto focus problem... it takes more time to focus on things, but after that everything is great.
I'm not expiriencing those problems whatsoever.
OHDUSER said:
I dont realy get the auto focus problem... it takes more time to focus on things, but after that everything is great.
I'm not expiriencing those problems whatsoever.
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Thats fine if you are taking a picture but not so good whan you are filming and you move the camera and lose focus
Intratech said:
His post is saying that he knows for certain that it's a hardware flaw, if this is the case then he needs to back up his statement with proof.
Also if you flow problem I suggest a visit to the urologist.
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English is not my first language (hence my "flow" problems ), and I thought I'm "afraid" meant that you didn't know something for sure but thought it might be the case and that it would be a bad thing (= I fear). But after doing some research it seems like "I'm afraid" actually means "I'm sorry" in this case.
So just forget about my previous post ^^
PS : My SGS2 should arrive on Monday, and I'm pretty sure I'll like it even if the autofocus is not that great =)
SGS2 looks better to me, colours on the iPhone seem... different.
Having owned an iphone 4 and now a gs2 i can say with all honesty the image quality ,video and browser look so much better on the iphone 4. But you have to realize this is only because of the resolution of the iphone screen. galaxy s 2 is a great phone but it is not in the same class as the iphone 4, gs3 will be because it will move up to 300dpi.
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Having owned an iphone 4 and now a gs2 i can say with all honesty the image quality ,video and browser look so much better on the iphone 4. But you have to realize this is only because of the resolution of the iphone screen. galaxy s 2 is a great phone but it is not in the same class as the iphone 4, gs3 will be because it will move up to 300dpi.
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Are you saying iphone4 is better? As I'm looking to change from iPhone as a bored and was looking at either sgs2 or HTC sensation
Tbh I'm leaning towards htc
NIK516 said:
Having owned an iphone 4 and now a gs2 i can say with all honesty the image quality ,video and browser look so much better on the iphone 4. But you have to realize this is only because of the resolution of the iphone screen. galaxy s 2 is a great phone but it is not in the same class as the iphone 4, gs3 will be because it will move up to 300dpi.
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I have also owned an IP4 and I have to say I would never go back, SGS2 is a breath of fresh air.
we are not talking over all but, when viewing the images of your device iPhone is better, but overall the gs2 has so much more to offer.
I'm just talking of my personal thoughts and experiences using both devices, I can't tell you wat to get but apple is stronger in hardware because there quality control is second to none I don't care what is said.
I find the camera on the Nexus4 somewhat lacking.
GSMarena just reviewed it and came to the same conclusion.
gsmarena.com/google_nexus_4-review-860p9.php
By looking at their Compare Tool it seems that LG phones have consistently bad cameras.
1) Is the comparatively high noise in Nexus4 pictures most likely due to limitations in the camera hardware
or is it the result of bad software calibration that can be re-adjusted?
2) I'd like more control over the camera like manual ISO and shutter speed settings.
Is there a custom ROM or 3rd party app that can expose these to the user?
EDIT:
The camera module on the Nexus 4 is "Exmor R" IMX111PQ.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1964850&page=25
The LG Optimus 4X HD shares the same hardware camera module.
When comparing the 2 phones with the GSMarena's Photo Compare Tool it looks
like the LG Optimus 4X performs better noise-wise but has color balance problems (too much red).
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=2&idPhone1=5048&idPhone2=4563&idPhone3=4238
Although the Nexus 4's camera is not as good as that of the Samsung Galaxy S3
it seems as though it could be calibrated to perform a bit better than it does at the moment.
Boy talk about useless post of the century!!
Live with it or buy another phone
asasione said:
Boy talk about useless post of the century!!
Live with it or buy another phone
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Sounds like you have a lot to contribute, asasione. Don't let me slow you down with my useless query.
The camera is important to me. I bought the Nexus4 in a rush without much knowledge of the camera.
After some use I find it lacking so I would like to know if it could be improved.
If not then yes, I will start looking at more capable phones.
Should have done your homework first
Definitely should've done your homework first. Learn your lesson and don't impulse buy next time. With such superior build quality, some things have to suffer to retain the price tag it has. This isn't an $800 iphone after all
The funny thing about you guys making fun of him, is that you don't exactly know what you're talking about either.
Back when the Evo 3D got upgraded to ICS, the Virgin Mobile version of the Evo 3D got significant camera improvements, and the Evo 3D (Sprint and GSM [international]) were left hanging with a camera that was essentially the same as the one that they had back with Gingerbread.
Here's a link to it, if you'd like to see. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1717113&highlight=vm+camera
So to answer your question, yes. Software can be used to enhance the camera. If I were you I'd look in the direction of Sony's mods (Photo editor and related) and check that out. I know that there is a ROM that currently uses this.
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Sounds like you have a lot to contribute, asasione. Don't let me slow you down with my useless query.
The camera is important to me. I bought the Nexus4 in a rush without much knowledge of the camera.
After some use I find it lacking so I would like to know if it could be improved.
If not then yes, I will start looking at more capable phones.
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If the camera is important to you, you should've bought a REAL camera.
Camera module is excellent. on par with probably iphones and s3s, its just a matter of time till someone figures out what lg did wrong with the drivers
I should have known better? I should shut up and be happy with what I have?
Seriously guys, what's the point of these comments? That's a strange attitude.
Allow me to remind you that this is a developer forum where people discuss how to thinker
with gadgets to improve them.
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Camera module is excellent. on par with probably iphones and s3s,
its just a matter of time till someone figures out what did wrong with the drivers
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Thank you, akbisw and thebeastglasser!
This is my understanding as well - there are only a few camera modules out there (mostly Sony ones).
The phone firmware must initially calibrate the module. When taking a photo there are algorithms that work with
the metering system to assign color, aperture, shutter speed, sensitivity and other parameters for each shot.
After the picture is taken it's immediately compressed to JPG and a number of filters like smoothing are applied.
In a real camera there's a processor doing all these tasks but in a phone you already have a CPU and GPU.
The camera drivers have a great influence over the final picture. If we have the source code to the drivers
and people who are knowledgeable in digital photography it's not an impossible task to recalibrate the camera.
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I should have known better? I should shut up and be happy with what I have?
Seriously guys, what's the point of these comments? That's a strange attitude.
Allow me to remind you that this is a developer forum where people discuss how to thinker
with gadgets to improve them.
Thank you, akbisw and thebeastglasser!
This is my understanding as well - there are only a few camera modules out there (mostly Sony ones).
The phone firmware must initially calibrate the module. When taking a photo there are algorithms that work with
the metering system to assign color, aperture, shutter speed, sensitivity and other parameters for each shot.
After the picture is taken it's immediately compressed to JPG and a number of filters like smoothing are applied.
In a real camera there's a processor doing all these tasks but in a phone you already have a CPU and GPU.
and people who are knowledgeable in digital photography it's not an impossible task to recalibrate the camera.
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I don't comment much but the replies in this thread are ridiculous. It's a simple question. I also bought this phone knowing that the camera wasn't its best feature, but I'm also curious if there is a way to improve the software/drivers to improve it. There have been several examples on XDA where this has happened. If you're going to be an Internet tough guy and only offer useless posts then don't post, you not only waste your time but the OPs too.
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I don't comment much but the replies in this thread are ridiculous. It's a simple question.
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I should have known better? I should shut up and be happy with what I have?
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I have a suggestion. You can rephrase the question, to something like this:
"I found out that the Nexus 4 has IMX111PQ camera module, which should be on par with the IMX145 found in iPhone 4s. Yet the quality of the image is somewhat lacking [...]"
Citing reviews from some website just invites the trolls waiting around to waste your time.
Back to your question.
I don't think Nexus 4's camera is on par with iPhone 4s or GSG 3's camera. For starter, the pixel size is 20% (edit: 25%) smaller, thus more noises.
But, I do believe in the same thing as Mindroid, akbisw and thebeastglasser, that math can do magic and someone will figure out something to make it works better.
KyraOfFire said:
I have a suggestion. You can rephrase the question, to something like this:
"I found out that the Nexus 4 has IMX111PQ camera module, which should be on par with the IMX145 found in iPhone 4s. Yet the quality of the image is somewhat lacking [...]"
Citing reviews from some website just invites the trolls waiting around to waste your time.
Back to your question.
I don't think Nexus 4's camera is on par with iPhone 4s or GSG 3's camera. For starter, the pixel size is 20% smaller, thus more noises.
But, I do believe in the same thing as Mindroid, akbisw and thebeastglasser, that math can do magic and someone will figure out something to make it works better.
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Thanks, KyraOfFire!
I spent a lot of time thinking how to phrase my question without inviting the trolls. :silly:
GSMarena did scientific benchmarks, their review states the facts, not an opinion.
Can you verify the camera module in the Nexus4 is IMX111PQ (link)? I will update the OP.
AnandTech claims the LG Optimus 4X HD has that camera module.
Using the GSMarena's Image Compare Tool I can see that the LG Optimus 4X has much better
noise performance than the Nexus 4. The colors on the LG 4X are a bit off though.
If both phones share the same camera hardware it seems that the Nexus4 noise issue could indeed
be caused by a bad software calibration.
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=1&idPhone1=5048&idPhone2=4563&idPhone3=4238
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Can you verify the camera module in the Nexus4 is IMX111PQ (link)? I will update the OP.
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Hi Mindroid, I am glad I could help.
Nexus 4 detailed technical breakdown can be found here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1964850
It is claimed that the module number is from the kernel source code
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33645116&highlight=camera#post33645116
Edit: I looked at the photos.
Nexus 4 is clearly more noisy than Optimus 4X HD, but it is also somewhat sharper.
Assuming the information is correct and the two phones share the same camera chip, the software can definitely be tuned.
asasione said:
Boy talk about useless post of the century!!
Live with it or buy another phone
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yyz71 said:
Should have done your homework first
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spitefulcheerio said:
Definitely should've done your homework first. Learn your lesson and don't impulse buy next time. With such superior build quality, some things have to suffer to retain the price tag it has. This isn't an $800 iphone after all
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richteralan said:
If the camera is important to you, you should've bought a REAL camera.
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Wow, who are you guys? The OP asked a simple and reverent question in the right subforum. Proof of what's become of XDA.
Okay, we had a similar question in the HTC Inspire thread, and we ended up with a good list of camera settings (reduce sharpness, don't use auto-ISO, etc). We get the same question in the Nexus 4 thread and you guys jump down his throat. Nice.
My Nexus 4 hasn't arrived yet, so I haven't had a chance to experiment with it. Admittedly, there is only so much you can do with low-cost hardware, but there are techniques to consider. Until we get some useful answers, you may want to consider some of the things we did for the HTC Inspire (which also has a bit of a lackluster camera):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=875230
- Jim
macr0t0r said:
Okay, we had a similar question in the HTC Inspire thread, and we ended up with a good list of camera settings (reduce sharpness, don't use auto-ISO, etc). We get the same question in the Nexus 4 thread and you guys jump down his throat. Nice.
My Nexus 4 hasn't arrived yet, so I haven't had a chance to experiment with it. Admittedly, there is only so much you can do with low-cost hardware, but there are techniques to consider. Until we get some useful answers, you may want to consider some of the things we did for the HTC Inspire (which also has a bit of a lackluster camera):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=875230
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Great thread indeed. If I have time (probably next week), I'll get a camera app that can enable those settings (hint:stock camera app doesn't have those settings) and do some science
I tried the lgCamera app from the Play Store which is supposed to allow more settings like ISO.
I don't think it's working, the pictures look very similar on all ISO settings. It's impossible to tell
for sure because the picture headers don't have the ISO information.
My old Chinese phone has an Engineering Menu that exposes some of the hardware parameters.
Is there anything similar in Jelly Bean?
You could try Camera FV-5 from the play store. I've used it on my One S and it offers a lot of manual controls. My N4 arrives tomorrow so can't tell you how it works, yet, for this phone.
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Wow, who are you guys? The OP asked a simple and reverent question in the right subforum. Proof of what's become of XDA.
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Agreed, the man asked if the camera can be improved. Don't freaking defend the crappy camera. This is xda. This is where we mod **** till it freaking explodes. Not whine and defend stuff.
Forget picture quality what about sound ! Its terrible on recordings. Background noise sounds garbled. In fact its a chorus for flanger type effect which could be down to the stereo mics?