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Possible anti-freeze for TMOUS HD2/HD2s in general?

http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/windows-phone/f/90/t/1651.aspx
It was the same conclusion I was coming, but this verified it.
The shotty class 2 SDHC and the fact that I'm installing core apps to the main memory....giving me **** performance.
Will try my class 6 SDHC 8gb card tonight and install everything to the card.
pictures/messages/etc

No, it doesn't work.
I thought it did until I installed apps and started using the phone normally.
Fail.
All apps installed onto sdhc

Must be your phone. I install all my apps in the main memory and never had a freeze or anything. The wife and I love our HD2's. It has never frozed on us. Especially mine, because I'm the tester for all the cabs I could find and tweaks there is out there.
The only time I got it to freeze was when I was editing the registry. Also, the card that came with the TMOUS is a cheap card. Just use that for storage and nothing else. There should be plenty of room in the main memory for apps.
One other problem is BSB tweaks messes with you during calls. But there is a simple deselect fix for it.

Dammit, I wish I would have read this before I ordered a 16 gig class 6 memory card! Lol, oh well, I guess it won't hurt to have it.

darkphantom said:
http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/windows-phone/f/90/t/1651.aspx
It was the same conclusion I was coming, but this verified it.
The shotty class 2 SDHC and the fact that I'm installing core apps to the main memory....giving me **** performance.
Will try my class 6 SDHC 8gb card tonight and install everything to the card.
pictures/messages/etc
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darkphantom, I think the issue isn't with the card itself, but rather the phone indexing it when it's full of lots of smaller files (like when you install apps on there). With the generous amount of storage memory on the HD2, you should be able to safely install apps to the phone...this phone sidesteps the reason why people started installing apps to the cards in the first place on older hardware, to get around limited on-board storage. Apps will always run smoother/faster from the phone memory anyway, and I have a strong belief that a large part of the SD card problems HD2 owners are experiencing are actually due to not the total volume of data on the card, but how many files there are. Try running the phone with no card in it, or with a card that only has, say, a handful of media on it...I think you'll see a difference.
EDIT: adam...did you try running it that way too yet? I'll get back to your PM on the other issue in just a bit here

sirphunkee said:
darkphantom, I think the issue isn't with the card itself, but rather the phone indexing it when it's full of lots of smaller files (like when you install apps on there). With the generous amount of storage memory on the HD2, you should be able to safely install apps to the phone...this phone sidesteps the reason why people started installing apps to the cards in the first place on older hardware, to get around limited on-board storage. Apps will always run smoother/faster from the phone memory anyway, and I have a strong belief that a large part of the SD card problems HD2 owners are experiencing are actually due to not the total volume of data on the card, but how many files there are. Try running the phone with no card in it, or with a card that only has, say, a handful of media on it...I think you'll see a difference.
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That defeats the purpose of a memory card....
If you have hundreds of songs...what then? GPS files aren't big, but they are numerous.
I got a new one today, will try it out, if not ...selling it.

adamhlj said:
Dammit, I wish I would have read this before I ordered a 16 gig class 6 memory card! Lol, oh well, I guess it won't hurt to have it.
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If I remember correctly the memory card slot only has the speed capabilities of class 2 anyway (the speed transfer between the phone & the memory card), but I could have read the specifications for the port wrong. So I haven't seen the need to upgrade the memory card, but that's just my 2 cents.

darkphantom said:
That defeats the purpose of a memory card....
If you have hundreds of songs...what then? GPS files aren't big, but they are numerous.
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Yeah, I'm not arguing that at all...just wanted to validate the idea that the volume of files on the card are a more direct cause of the issue than the speed of the card. I just believe whatever algorithm they used for that isn't terribly efficient, and can get bogged down (and unstable) when it has to read and sort too many metatags.

I'm done with the phone. Tested the new unit by just turning it on and seeing how it was working.
Same issue.
Its For sale.
Good luck to everyone!

[Q] high battery consumption with 32gb sd card

Hi,
I have bought a 32GB micro sd card from Sandisk, recently. Before I had a 16GB from Sandisk. With the new card I suddenly have a battery consumption in standby from 15 to 20% over night. Before 3-5%. I thought it must be something wrong with the card. I ordered a 32GB card from Transcend - and it´s the same behavior.
So, what is this?? It seems that with 16GB all is fine and with 32...
There are no active programs, no data connection and nothing installed on the card. I have formatted the card again in the device - nothing changing.

Put the card in your computer, copy all the contents off it, format it and copy them all back on. Don't format the card in the phone.

I had same problem with a Sandisk 32GB which was bought from a reputable reseller. Tried everything and in the end gave up and now live with a 16GB just fine.

Strange ........ I am now with Sandisk 32gb for 4 month and absolutely nothing changed in batt drainage ...... 5% overnight with all caches possible moved to sd.
Maybe depends on interval wm has to write to storage card ? email-att., update files? meaning that batt consumption is higher for each read-write cycle ?

This is what I have tried first: Copy all my stuff on the card and put it in the phone. Later I have formatted it in the PC - copy all stuff - put it in the phone.
At the end I have formatted it in the phone, without copy anything on it.
No change, the same behavior, whatever I have tried.

troed said:
Strange ........ I am now with Sandisk 32gb for 4 month and absolutely nothing changed in batt drainage ...... 5% overnight with all caches possible moved to sd.
Maybe depends on interval wm has to write to storage card ? email-att., update files? meaning that batt consumption is higher for each read-write cycle ?
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This would be logical, when there is something to write on the card. But I put the blank formatted card in the phone! No apps installed on it, no e-mail, etc. Closed all apps and no data connection, wlan, bluetooth, etc. Pure standby!

Now I am happy with ROM 3.14!
I have updated to ROM 3.14 and now it´s working! Power consumption for both cards 16 and 32gb is equal now. Seemingly it was a malfunktion in the 1.48 ROM in conjunction with 32gb cards.

migusch said:
I have updated to ROM 3.14 and now it´s working! Power consumption for both cards 16 and 32gb is equal now. Seemingly it was a malfunktion in the 1.48 ROM in conjunction with 32gb cards.
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i think the problem is that you have not installed the sd card hotfix from htc on your 1.48 rom...which is usually included in next versions of rom
"Update for HTC HD2 SD Card Storage Cards
This update for HTC HD2 allows the HD2 to properly read the amount of free space on a storage card, so you can take as many photos or videos as possible. It also enhances support for some sizes of storage cards."

pakure said:
i think the problem is that you have not installed the sd card hotfix from htc on your 1.48 rom...which is usually included in next versions of rom
"Update for HTC HD2 SD Card Storage Cards
This update for HTC HD2 allows the HD2 to properly read the amount of free space on a storage card, so you can take as many photos or videos as possible. It also enhances support for some sizes of storage cards."
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Should not be the problem, because I had ALL updates installed on the 1.48 ROM.

Solution to SD Card Problems!

I started using my HD2-7 with an 8Gb class 2 Sandisk SD card that worked perfectly. But I wanted a bigger SD card, so I bought a 16Gb class 2 Sandisk card that gave me a lot of hanging, reboots and lags in the HD2. I had to abandon the card and went back to the 8Gb card...until I stumbled on this post. I followed it and now the card has been working perfectly for about 4 days without any trouble.
If you are having trouble with your card, please try this method and post your result. I think the guy might have stumbled on the solution to the SD card problems.
Barmalei said:
Many people are experiencing problems with SD cards and/or random reboots, and I think I solved mine (I am rather a newbie), so here is my report.
Few days ago I installed WP7 (thanks a lot, DFT guys) on my U.S. T-mobile HD2 with its original 16 GB class 2 micro SD card, using radio 2.10.50.08.2.
Installation went very well, the phone worked very smoothly and very fast, except it started freezing and randomly rebooting. Hard resets didn't help. Then I removed SD card and reset the phone - it worked very well and fast and did not have any reboots.
I tried reformatting the SD card to Fat32 (using free software SDformatter - it fully clears the card after WP7 use and removes partitions, make sure you put Format Size Adjustment "ON" in Options) and reset the phone with the card. It did not help, the reboots were the same as before.
So I decided that the 16 GB card wasn't good for WP7 and bought a PNY 4 GB class 4 card for $10 at Staples. I reset the phone with this new card inside. At first everything worked very slowly, but at least the reboots completely disappeared. In few hours everything became fast, except for certain things, like it would take 15-30 seconds for the camera to reset after shooting a 1 min video.
Finally, I decided to try something else. I reflashed radio to 2.15.50.14 with the original 16 GB card (reformatted again), and everything seems to work very well -it's fast, and there has been no reboots so far in few hours. The battery also seems to drain with a normal pace.
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The guy did alot of different thinks to try to fix his SD card problems, in my opinion it would be hard to identify what actually fixed the problem if any. I had 2.15 radio and changed it to 2.10 as others where saying it would lower battery drainage which it seemed to have changed slightly. The only reason I posted this is to just make people aware before they start reseting there phones with experiments but I also understand that without the above sort of posts the forum wouldn't exist as so much is discovered by experiment.

New SD Card

Has anyone laid out the procedure for what to do with a new SD card and WP7 install? I've noticed many posts about it but no one saying exactly "this is what to do". I think this might be why there are so many posts about SD card failures. So if I have a new SD card and an HD2 and I want WP7, what do I do? Thanks ahead of time... Mod if there is an answer to this, I couldn't find it.

thuddome said:
Has anyone laid out the procedure for what to do with a new SD card and WP7 install? I've noticed many posts about it but no one saying exactly "this is what to do". I think this might be why there are so many posts about SD card failures. So if I have a new SD card and an HD2 and I want WP7, what do I do? Thanks ahead of time... Mod if there is an answer to this, I couldn't find it.
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If you're just planning to run WP7 (so no fancy dualbooting with Android), there's not much to do, besides backing up anything on the card that you would like to keep. Your phone will create the necessary partitions and take care of the formatting on first boot, if I'm not mistaken.
Not really sure what you mean by "SD card failures". I don't recall reading any posts about that, unless you're referring to the random problems people are having with WP7 and some brands/types of SD cards (not really the result of any card failure).

aye what he said, if you have issues such as lag, wifi not working, random reboots etc then its an SD issue, that means you are out of luck with that current card, . Dont believe anyone when they tell you to buy a spacific card, there is no consistancy in the building of these things so where as you might have issues, someone else with the same card may be fine.i personally have had a wee bit of luck by filling my card with more music
the story is, i had no issues at all with my SD card, but one day after dumping some more music on i started getting reboot issues, took the music off and all was well, then i tried slapping more music on, about 200MB more, and that was it, all is ok again.
its a pure guess, well perhaps an educated guess, but i believe that for whatever reason WP7 had issues accessing a portion of my card, by filling it up some more it prevented WP7 from using it, and thus all is ok again, to be clear, the music played fine however!

dazza9075 said:
aye what he said, if you have issues such as lag, wifi not working, random reboots etc then its an SD issue, that means you are out of luck with that current card, . Dont believe anyone when they tell you to buy a spacific card, there is no consistancy in the building of these things so where as you might have issues, someone else with the same card may be fine.i personally have had a wee bit of luck by filling my card with more music
the story is, i had no issues at all with my SD card, but one day after dumping some more music on i started getting reboot issues, took the music off and all was well, then i tried slapping more music on, about 200MB more, and that was it, all is ok again.
its a pure guess, well perhaps an educated guess, but i believe that for whatever reason WP7 had issues accessing a portion of my card, by filling it up some more it prevented WP7 from using it, and thus all is ok again, to be clear, the music played fine however!
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That's interesting because I have had the same experience. I have been playing around with multiple size cards and brands. I have yet to get one work right. I have also discovered how you format them makes a difference; for example I have a Patriot class 4 16GB card that using EASEUS to format (low level) it worked but had lag at certain times, for example when going through setup on a fresh install of WP7. It was at a dead crawl with the same config with Android. I then formatted it with Minitool and it was unusable (dead dead crawl) with either WP7 and Android. I also tested a Kingston class 4 32GB w/ wp7 and it was about the same as the Patriot w/ EASEUS formatting. No card I have found outperforms (in the phone) the Sandisk Class 2 16GB card that came with the phone. My suspicion is that the cards that came with the phones have had something done to the sectors by the phone manufacturers. I need to hear from someone who really knows the I/O and Cardbus architecture of phones. My point is there should be a way to get all cards working with any phone, might not be to specs of the card but between tweaking formatting and other hacks they all should work.

thuddome said:
That's interesting because I have had the same experience. I have been playing around with multiple size cards and brands. I have yet to get one work right. I have also discovered how you format them makes a difference; for example I have a Patriot class 4 16GB card that using EASEUS to format (low level) it worked but had lag at certain times, for example when going through setup on a fresh install of WP7. It was at a dead crawl with the same config with Android. I then formatted it with Minitool and it was unusable (dead dead crawl) with either WP7 and Android. I also tested a Kingston class 4 32GB w/ wp7 and it was about the same as the Patriot w/ EASEUS formatting. No card I have found outperforms (in the phone) the Sandisk Class 2 16GB card that came with the phone. My suspicion is that the cards that came with the phones have had something done to the sectors by the phone manufacturers. I need to hear from someone who really knows the I/O and Cardbus architecture of phones. My point is there should be a way to get all cards working with any phone, might not be to specs of the card but between tweaking formatting and other hacks they all should work.
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My phone came with a Sandisk 2GB card and WP7 has offered me a SD Card Failed message regardless of what technique I have used to Format it...

thuddome said:
That's interesting because I have had the same experience. I have been playing around with multiple size cards and brands. I have yet to get one work right. I have also discovered how you format them makes a difference; for example I have a Patriot class 4 16GB card that using EASEUS to format (low level) it worked but had lag at certain times, for example when going through setup on a fresh install of WP7. It was at a dead crawl with the same config with Android. I then formatted it with Minitool and it was unusable (dead dead crawl) with either WP7 and Android. I also tested a Kingston class 4 32GB w/ wp7 and it was about the same as the Patriot w/ EASEUS formatting. No card I have found outperforms (in the phone) the Sandisk Class 2 16GB card that came with the phone. My suspicion is that the cards that came with the phones have had something done to the sectors by the phone manufacturers. I need to hear from someone who really knows the I/O and Cardbus architecture of phones. My point is there should be a way to get all cards working with any phone, might not be to specs of the card but between tweaking formatting and other hacks they all should work.
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Lower class sd-cards have way better random reads/write speeds. This means they are better for storing file-caches, system files, and other rather small/scatered files. A higher class card will have awesome read/write speeds, but they do sacrifice the random speeds (they will preemptively load huge chunks of the file they are writing/reading to/from. So, they will have an overhead when accessing a file, that will be attenuated only if the operations made with that file are long. If u wanna write/read a large chunk of small non-sequential file/s, a class 2 is awesome. Which means that these cards are adequate form OS being run from them. Of course, when syncing with zune, you WILL notice a very decreased speed (since the files are being passed sequencially), but the system per se will operate silky smooth.
Hope this helped. Kudos mate

ei05035 said:
Lower class sd-cards have way better random reads/write speeds. This means they are better for storing file-caches, system files, and other rather small/scatered files. A higher class card will have awesome read/write speeds, but they do sacrifice the random speeds (they will preemptively load huge chunks of the file they are writing/reading to/from. So, they will have an overhead when accessing a file, that will be attenuated only if the operations made with that file are long. If u wanna write/read a large chunk of small non-sequential file/s, a class 2 is awesome. Which means that these cards are adequate form OS being run from them. Of course, when syncing with zune, you WILL notice a very decreased speed (since the files are being passed sequencially), but the system per se will operate silky smooth.
Hope this helped. Kudos mate
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just about to write all of that myself but you beet me too it!
to add to that, no two cards are alike, make and model makes no difference hence my issue with the "working SD card" thread on here, there is no way to know other than trying it
My wee issue is possibly related to some dodgy parts within the card, it reports perfect but if internal components are not consistant it may explain my rather odd situation

dazza9075 said:
just about to write all of that myself but you beet me too it!
to add to that, no two cards are alike, make and model makes no difference hence my issue with the "working SD card" thread on here, there is no way to know other than trying it
My wee issue is possibly related to some dodgy parts within the card, it reports perfect but if internal components are not consistant it may explain my rather odd situation
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In your situation i'd risk say it might have occured some corruption when transfering those musics. At least, considering that all is well now. It is unlikely that a sector of your card is/was permanently damaged, as repeting the operation worked, aye? Also, since I don't know what the file system is used by WP7, I do not know what maintenance the file system requires (such as defragmentation and whatnot)

perhaps, but it is repeatable, if i remove 400MB of music from my device its fine, if then copy 200 on to the card it reboots randomly, if i then copy the additional 200 back to the card it works fine
Potentially your correct, it may be some sign of wear on the card, but either way the music plays fine, which possibly suggests the random access speeds issue again, if it is sub-par sectors on the card that may explain it

Random reboots with SD card problem

Hi.
I decided to try out WP7 on my HD2 for the first time.
I run Task29, installed new radio, MAGLDR 1.13 and rom blackSideSeven v1.7.7392.
Everything went preety smooth. I recieved activation code from US support (through chat). Working market place, 3G, wi-fi, apps etc.
After few hours phone reboots itself, goes through MAGLDR and then WP7 says:
"Storage card not working. Your storage card has changed, is damaged, or is non-compliant. (...)".
All I could do then was turning the phone off. Reboots did nothing, so I made a hard reset. It worked, but I lost all my settings etc. Moreover available space went down to 40 MB (from over 1,5 GB).
I decided to format card with SDFormatter(it says my card is not compatible with Full(erase) and does quick format). Again, task29, radio, magldr, wp7. Works again. Few hours later same story. Storage card not working.
I'm using SanDisk 2GB SD card.
Does anyone has an idea what could be the problem here?
Thanks in advance.

Rebooting in WP7 usually means an incompatible sd card, However I was able to find your sd card in the "WP7 Compatible sdcards" .
Try another sd card, preferrably an 8 or 16 gig.
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Thanks for response.
About 13 hours ago I changed SD card from this 2GB SanDisk to 2GB Kingston, used SDFormatter (not compatible with full erase either) and made hard reset. It was loading everything slower for the first time, but after some time it was as fast as SanDisk.
I've been using Zune, wi-fi, 3G, browser, marketplace, xbox-live panel, put some music. So far so good, no reboots and it still shows a lot of space available (which seems a bit strange though, because I almost filled everything with music through Zune).
I hope it will stay like that. I really like WP7, it's UI, speed and simplicity.
So yeah, if anyone will have a similiar problem, try to change SD card and see if that works for you.

kawazaki said:
Rebooting in WP7 usually means an incompatible sd card, However I was able to find your sd card in the "WP7 Compatible sdcards" .
Try another sd card, preferrably an 8 or 16 gig.
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lol
That thread is about as useful as using a packet of crisps as a life raft.
nothing is confirmed as several people have mentioned many many.......many times

volv said:
...... So far so good, no reboots and it still shows a lot of space available (which seems a bit strange though, because I almost filled everything with music through Zune).
I hope it will stay like that. I really like WP7, it's UI, speed and simplicity.
So yeah, if anyone will have a similiar problem, try to change SD card and see if that works for you.......
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actually you might have had more luck because you copied music to it, ive found that if i do not have enough music on my card it will restart, im guessing that the music covers up a dodgy patch of storage, which is fine for playback of music but perhaps doesnt perform as quick for OS functions

After few days I can say everything works really good. On 2GB Kingston I didn't have any reboots. It works a bit slow sometimes though(especially when changing apps and in marketplace). It is good for daily use.