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unroot incredible?

this may seem like a silly question, but i have to return my incredible bec they are sending me a replacement, dead pixel, so before i try to root i would like to have it unrooted before i send it back...
so how do you unroot it?
thanx all

At the risk of starting a flamewar (and none of this is directly aimed at the OP):
A lot people need to chill on this. This root method is not ready for prime time yet (that's why they made the disclaimer that it's only really for power users).
As an average user, there is almost nothing gained by having root at this point (other than removing city id and MAYBE gaining tethering). I mean seriously, people who don't even know how to install the android sdk on their computers have no business attempting this.
The main reason most people want root is for custom roms and there aren't any yet.
To answer your question, yes, you can easily undo it with a factory wipe/flash, but again, what's the point in trying it when you have nothing to do with the privileges?

Use one of the RUU post in this forum pre ota or the ota one.

m1k3- said:
To answer your question, yes, you can easily undo it with a factory wipe
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thank you!

m1k3- said:
To answer your question, yes, you can easily undo it with a factory wipe/flash, but again, what's the point in trying it when you have nothing to do with the privileges?
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BOOO!
I've been seeing this kind of presumptuous junk pop up again in the Inc thread around the root issue, just like it used to around root season in late '08 for the G1. The one lesson I learned was this:
STOP TELLING PEOPLE THEY'RE NOT SMART/GOOD/CRAFTY ENOUGH TO ROOT!
And if you haven't checked recently, there are a ton of root-only apps on the market. Maybe he just likes #-signs better than $-signs. Whatever his reasons are, just let people be. This forum wouldn't exist if it weren't for natural curiosity.

really though at this point it's kinda based on the SD card you have an timing. to unroot though you just download and run the RUU on the forums here.

rynosaur said:
BOOO!
I've been seeing this kind of presumptuous junk pop up again in the Inc thread around the root issue, just like it used to around root season in late '08 for the G1. The one lesson I learned was this:
STOP TELLING PEOPLE THEY'RE NOT SMART/GOOD/CRAFTY ENOUGH TO ROOT!
And if you haven't checked recently, there are a ton of root-only apps on the market. Maybe he just likes #-signs better than $-signs. Whatever his reasons are, just let people be. This forum wouldn't exist if it weren't for natural curiosity.
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Dude,
Aside from the fact that they can break stuff (up to and including bricking their phone - yes I realize this process resulting in a brick is unlikely, but it's still possible), there's also another good reason... security. A lot of these people aren't 'linux guys' and don't even really understand what exactly 'root' even means. I bet $20 that if you had everyone in this forum in a room and walked around with a clipboard asking people 'What is UID 0?' maybe 20-30% of people would know the answer. That means that up to 80% of them probably don't quite understand all of the things inside this can of worms they're trying to open.
My comments weren't intended to be presumptuous, or to look down on people, or to thumb my nose at them, etc. I'm only pointing out that for average (or probably even most) users, there aren't really any everyday reasons to go through this.... especially if you don't know what you're doing. All risk, no reward. And that's exactly why the developers of the method are advising these types of users to wait for something that's more suitable for mass consumption.

Ya I love my phone the way it is, all I wanted to do is wifi tether haha. I rooted just fine and im no expert at all. It took about 20 minutes.

Thank you! To the answer on how to quickly unroot. I appreciate it...

drieves1 said:
Use one of the RUU post in this forum pre ota or the ota one.
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Is there a way to unroot without wiping the phone?

Since when did wiping the phone remove root?

If you RUU the phone to unroot it is wiped and will need to re-do all the settings. I dont want to have to do that.

Shield Kill Switch

Hi figured we could use our own separate thread to discuss the killswitch Nvidia supposedly put in place on our old Shield tablets and see what has worked for those who have received their replacement units. If you've gotten a replacement please share if your old unit has been destroyed or not...if not please let others know what the old tablet has on it or what you did to attempt to prevent the brick! Thanks for helping us all out here!

As I said in the other thread, I received my new one, and my old one is still usable on rooted latest stock, unlocked bootloader, with the only app missing being Chrome for some reason. Nothing else disabled or uninstalled. Maybe they haven't turned on the server that sends the kill signal yet.

If the company wants the other device back (dunno if that is true), why keep it? You are breaking a deal while making it less appeling for companies to do this type of thing...+its a saftey risk for you and others around you.

Nvidia said they do not need it back
ManualG on the Nvidia forum said they are not requiring you send it back
"We don't require you to send it back to us to receive the replacement and are collecting them only to make it less of a burden on everyone else who dont have drop off locations like that close by." So you can keep it if you want ?

16 gig tablet, got it this morning. My original is still functional, it was stock rom, rooted with xposed on it. That's as much modding as I've done with mine.

does anyone have more informations about this killswitch?
Is it a service that needs to be deactivated or deleted or a kernel feature?
I just want to make sure it doesn't kill my old tablet when I set up the new one.
Alternatively, I could just flash an older factory image or custom firmware.

From what I've read on other forums (i.e. reddit) most have indicated that the killswitch is embedded in the bootloader and will activated on the defective tablet once the replacement tablet is registered on the nvidia side. I of course cannot confirm for this to be the case but just sharing what others have reported.

yea but it must communicate with the server then and that only works when Android is booted up and all communication drivers loaded.
So there must be another service running in Android that gives this information to the bootloader to kill itself.

If it's bootloader based, flash a bootloader from one of the older recovery images.

Will try that. BL from Update 2.2.2 should be fine?
actually if I flash it back to 2.2.2 it should be fine too since the changes to 3.X aren't that big

That should work just fine.

big time noob question but where are you getting the old bootloaders from to flash?

Until somebody's tablet gets deactivated and a log is captured during the deactivation process, everything said here or anywhere else is just speculation.

bluegizmo83 is right, however the discussion has to start somewhere so kudos to the OP for getting this thread started.

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bluegizmo83 is right, however the discussion has to start somewhere so kudos to the OP for getting this thread started.
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Oh I completely agree. I'm all for conversion. But I don't want people to get the wrong impression, like trying to flash an older bootloader. That may stop the deactivation, but it also may not. Its only speculation at this point.

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Oh I completely agree. I'm all for conversion. But I don't want people to get the wrong impression, like trying to flash an older bootloader. That may stop the deactivation, but it also may not. Its only speculation at this point.
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Well said. I apologize if my post came through as a solution. I was only mentioning that as folks had mentioned a possible bootloader lock.

Any thoughts on whether flashing CM would serve as a way to circumvent the killswitch? I see that release for this tablet is already available http://forum.xda-developers.com/shi...-cyanogenmod-12-shield-tablet-lte-na-t3055043. Thoughts?

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Well said. I apologize if my post came through as a solution. I was only mentioning that as folks had mentioned a possible bootloader lock.
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No problem. As I said, I'm all for the discussion, I just wanted to make it clear to everyone that its all just speculation at this point.

I think the old bootloaders are in the old full OTA's someone correct me if I'm wrong. You can also extract them from the full OTA

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Any thoughts on whether flashing CM would serve as a way to circumvent the killswitch? I see that release for this tablet is already available http://forum.xda-developers.com/shi...-cyanogenmod-12-shield-tablet-lte-na-t3055043. Thoughts?
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To me, this is the most logical place to start at this point! Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, but unlocking the bootloader, rooting, and installing a custom rom seem like a good starting place. If the stock devices are definitely getting wiped anyways, any changes we make now can't hurt the chances of keeping it alive!

[Q] Sprint LG V20 and just getting su w/o recovery, plus one more Q

Hey all.
My understanding is that it will be quite some time, if at all, that we get a full on TWRP recovery for this phone. My question is, does it seem likely that at some point we will at least be able to obtain root while still on the stock ROM? I think it's called systemless root?
The other question is, anyone think there might be a a way, either through apk or something requiring said root, that could get the notification icons in the second display to "pulsate" and simulate a LED? That was something I was just curious about.
Loving the phone otherwise, fantastic device.
Thanks!

You questions are tied together. TWRP may or may never come. The problem of a locked bootloader. Given the fairly high traffic, thx Samsung Note 7 firebomb scandal, things are looking more up than they might have. But there's no telling.

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You questions are tied together. TWRP may or may never come. The problem of a locked bootloader. Given the fairly high traffic, thx Samsung Note 7 firebomb scandal, things are looking more up than they might have. But there's no telling.
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But are they? Because I thought getting root and flashing TWRP were two different things. Can't one obtain root without needing to flash a recovery.img ?

sjr19 said:
But are they? Because I thought getting root and flashing TWRP were two different things. Can't one obtain root without needing to flash a recovery.img ?
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They're different...but....They're tied a bit due to it being a development problem, needing people applying brainpower and being hard-headed enough to beat it.
The number of safeties in place by LG to prevent this is huge, but hopefully one or both can happen. Google too has been adding safety after safety to stop exploits root and otherwise....there was a story on a blog about a guy's quest to root and then put Debian on a recent Asus tablet....it was a soap opera story that was probably 10,000 words long. In the end he needed an oscilloscope, electronics breadboard, and a ton of input from electronics guys online.. I'll see if I can find it, it is a fun and frustrating insider's post on how these things sometimes happen. It was originally linked on the r/Android subreddit, but the devs nuked it because it was "too technical" for that audience.
Here you go:
https://www.thanassis.space/android.html

Why Nougat will be the death blow to Android Root

SO I did some research and found some very interesting info about the bootloader bull**** that is going on with Android.
read about it here.
This means good bye to un locking bootloaders... Mine is unlocked and because of android/google my dam phone keeps showing an aggravating massage that its not trusted when i turn it on ... Im pretty sure now after Nougat, people will be going to Apple in droves...

nickcaper said:
SO I did some research and found some very interesting info about the bootloader bull**** that is going on with Android.
read about it here.
This means good bye to un locking bootloaders... Mine is unlocked and because of android/google my dam phone keeps showing an aggravating massage that its not trusted when i turn it on ... Im pretty sure now after Nougat, people will be going to Apple in droves...
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1) This is Sony's choice to allow the unlocking of bootloaders or not, there's no reasons that they don't allow it in the future.
2) Do you know that 90% of android users aren't rooted, so...

niaboc79 said:
1) This is Sony's choice to allow the unlocking of bootloaders or not, there's no reasons that they don't allow it in the future.
2) Do you know that 90% of android users aren't rooted, so...
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Yes yes.. but...... Google is making it harder to root phones. Nougat will be even worse...

nickcaper said:
Yes yes.. but...... Google is making it harder to root phones. Nougat will be even worse...
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Rooting devices with a locked bootloader can be seen as a security exploit, and the ability to do so means that Android is insecure.
What you basically complain about here, is that Google is trying to make Android more secure.
If you want to root your phone, just unlock your bootloader and flash SuperSU. That will always be possible.
The trick is, that unlocking your bootloader will wipe your data partition (hence securing your data from a potential breach when somebody stole your phone). The security warning at the beginning, is to let you, and potential reselling partys know that the bootloader is unlocked, and that with little to no effort all Android internal security measures can be worked around (flash a recovery and root it, and you're a happy data thief).
Of cause from an XDA-Users point of view it looks like that is something bad, but keep in mind that people like the ones you can find on XDA make up a roughly 1% of all Android Users. You need to keep in mind, there are also a lot of business users on Android, and these feel a lot better knowing that there secure company data is save on an Android device. Security used to be one of the major reasons why in the initial Android days nobody was using Android as a business device, and rather was sticking to Apple, cause iOS Devices were a lot securer by that time.
The message at the beginning is one of the reasons why I am still searching for a root exploit on my XP, so I can backup the TA partition and in case I resell it some day I can just relock the bootloader by restoring the partition, but after all, you need to admit that the warning itself is sensible, when you keep the above points in your mind

Myself5 said:
Rooting devices with a locked bootloader can be seen as a security exploit, and the ability to do so means that Android is insecure.
What you basically complain about here, is that Google is trying to make Android more secure.
If you want to root your phone, just unlock your bootloader and flash SuperSU. That will always be possible.
The trick is, that unlocking your bootloader will wipe your data partition (hence securing your data from a potential breach when somebody stole your phone). The security warning at the beginning, is to let you, and potential reselling partys know that the bootloader is unlocked, and that with little to no effort all Android internal security measures can be worked around (flash a recovery and root it, and you're a happy data thief).
Of cause from an XDA-Users point of view it looks like that is something bad, but keep in mind that people like the ones you can find on XDA make up a roughly 1% of all Android Users. You need to keep in mind, there are also a lot of business users on Android, and these feel a lot better knowing that there secure company data is save on an Android device. Security used to be one of the major reasons why in the initial Android days nobody was using Android as a business device, and rather was sticking to Apple, cause iOS Devices were a lot securer by that time.
The message at the beginning is one of the reasons why I am still searching for a root exploit on my XP, so I can backup the TA partition and in case I resell it some day I can just relock the bootloader by restoring the partition, but after all, you need to admit that the warning itself is sensible, when you keep the above points in your mind
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No I still do not agree. Maybe they should just show it one time. Or a couple of times. not every friggin time I boot the phone. This is clearly to have people start to really consider NOT rooting there personal property.
When I buy a car. I can do what ever the want with it. Same with a house. But, these phone companies want us to use this device the way THEY want. Why? cause they want to track everything we do on it. Rooting stops that. Rooting enables me to delete apps that are totally useless and take up space and data on the phone. Rooting allows me to edit files, delete files, ad files the way I WANT THE PHONE to work. Not the way THEY want it to work.
It is super easy for these companies to let the new buyer know that the boot loader has been unlocked, let the person click a button to approve the unlock, then move on and let the person use the phone with no further warnings.
This warning is just about the same thing if you would change your cars radio or tires or engine parts, not use the factory parts, and the car would play a alert through the dash board or speakers every time you turn on the car that someone used there own parts, not the factory parts, to fix an issue.
NO I dont agree with you. Its no sensible....
If you think its sensible.... cool... Let people start doing this on every device, washing machines, microwaves, stoves, cars, TV,s stereos..... See how happy people get...

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No I still do not agree. Maybe they should just show it one time. Or a couple of times. not every friggin time I boot the phone. This is clearly to have people start to really consider NOT rooting there personal property.
When I buy a car. I can do what ever the want with it. Same with a house. But, these phone companies want us to use this device the way THEY want. Why? cause they want to track everything we do on it. Rooting stops that. Rooting enables me to delete apps that are totally useless and take up space and data on the phone. Rooting allows me to edit files, delete files, ad files the way I WANT THE PHONE to work. Not the way THEY want it to work.
It is super easy for these companies to let the new buyer know that the boot loader has been unlocked, let the person click a button to approve the unlock, then move on and let the person use the phone with no further warnings.
This warning is just about the same thing if you would change your cars radio or tires or engine parts, not use the factory parts, and the car would play a alert through the dash board or speakers every time you turn on the car that someone used there own parts, not the factory parts, to fix an issue.
NO I dont agree with you. Its no sensible....
If you think its sensible.... cool... Let people start doing this on every device, washing machines, microwaves, stoves, cars, TV,s stereos..... See how happy people get...
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Do you own a car? almost every state has safety inspections, you can't drive around with a compromised airbag/seatbelts/brakes. you'll get pulled over if even a lightbulb is broken. Sure you can do anything to your car, as long as it doesn't compromise its safety.
Do you own a house? every state has safety regulations when building one. Sure you can do anything you want to your house, as long as it doesn't compromise safety.
Android is securing their platform, there's nothing wrong with that. You're even given an OFFICIALLY supported method to root, just unlock the bootloader. You're crying about a warning you only see when you boot the phone for half a second? really? the ENTIRE world Android population needs to be held hostage by crippled security because you don't like a yellow exclamation point on a boot screen for a few milliseconds? Jesus christ the entitlement on some kids
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Oh my... It reminds me of the time when I had an HTC with s-off, every time I booted the phone it showed the joker with the s-off message.
It destroyed my life.!
The phone still works fine though.
Sent from my F8131 using XDA-Developers mobile app

acme64 said:
Do you own a car? almost every state has safety inspections, you can't drive around with a compromised airbag/seatbelts/brakes. you'll get pulled over if even a lightbulb is broken. Sure you can do anything to your car, as long as it doesn't compromise its safety.
Do you own a house? every state has safety regulations when building one. Sure you can do anything you want to your house, as long as it doesn't compromise safety.
Android is securing their platform, there's nothing wrong with that. You're even given an OFFICIALLY supported method to root, just unlock the bootloader. You're crying about a warning you only see when you boot the phone for half a second? really? the ENTIRE world Android population needs to be held hostage by crippled security because you don't like a yellow exclamation point on a boot screen for a few milliseconds? Jesus christ the entitlement on some kids
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Come on now... You really think that a phone should be treated this such ridiculous nonsense?
They can secure there platform without the stupid notification. Geez man.. you must really like being under control of corporations...

nickcaper said:
Come on now... You really think that a phone should be treated this such ridiculous nonsense?
They can secure there platform without the stupid notification. Geez man.. you must really like being under control of corporations...
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Yes! unlike you some people do serious work with their phones. It's so important Blackberry is banned in some countries over security concerns. This is not a ****ing game.
A warning on your boot screen is not a restriction, it's a compromise. Learn the difference.

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Thread Closed and addressed. This thread and OP has ran it's course....
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Ohhh ook..
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Sm T580 rooting hell

Ever phone or tablet I buy is always the one that cant be rooted without a pc. Everytime Odin required, so sick of it. I thought they were supposed to make a universal platform that all androids adhered to. What happened to that?

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Ever phone or tablet I buy is always the one that cant be rooted without a pc. Everytime Odin required, so sick of it. I thought they were supposed to make a universal platform that all androids adhered to. What happened to that?
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Name a current device that doesn't need a PC to be rooted? Is that not universal enough?

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Name a current device that doesn't need a PC to be rooted? Is that not universal enough?
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No thats not universal enough. Go through the compatability list for framaroot, or master root and that will give your answer. I just want my phones to be on the same level. All on that list or not but there shouldnt be an in between

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No thats not universal enough. Go through the compatability list for framaroot, or master root and that will give your answer. I just want my phones to be on the same level. All on that list or not but there shouldnt be an in between
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Ok humour me. Show me evidence of one device that either of those root exploits has been successful with since Android 5.

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Ok humour me. Show me evidence of one device that either of those root exploits has been successful with since Android 5.
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Okay but how am I going to show proof? Those one click root apps wouldnt be around if they didnt work...Look at towelroot as well, and also kingroot. Lots of options even though I have no proof

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Okay but how am I going to show proof? Those one click root apps wouldnt be around if they didnt work...Look at towelroot as well, and also kingroot. Lots of options even though I have no proof
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Rooting a tablet is a security risk that manufacturers don't WANT users to take. They want rooting to be difficult. So, IMO, it is down right silly to think they'd intentionally let some apps, like the ones you mentioned, defeat their purpose. And NONE of those apps work on a high percentage of the tablets on the market today.
If having a tablet that can be rooted by one of them is that important to you, then I'd suggest you check the list BEFORE you make your purchase rather than whining about it when they don't work.

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Okay but how am I going to show proof? Those one click root apps wouldnt be around if they didnt work...Look at towelroot as well, and also kingroot. Lots of options even though I have no proof
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They DON'T work that is the point. The fact that you actually mentioned towel root implies that you've been trawling the Internet and you don't quite know where things are up to with root.
Those exploits have long since been patched. Pretty much no one click root's work on any recent device.
Google have patched all current exploits. Any decent manufacturer should have updated their firmware to include the patches.
Anything MM onwards is unlikely to work with one of these one click root apps.
Any device that does simply means the manufacturer doesn't care about security or has abandoned the device.
My point here is that pretty much no device works with any of these one click root's anymore.
You have a device made by a manufacturer that cares about security.
The very thing you seem to be whining about.
Millions of devices are currently using the only real root solution avaliable, Magisk, which requires a PC.
@lewmur pretty much nailed it.
If you want a device that works with one of these one click exploits, sell your up to date device and buy yourself an old banger running kitkat.

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Rooting a tablet is a security risk that manufacturers don't WANT users to take. They want rooting to be difficult. So, IMO, it is down right silly to think they'd intentionally let some apps, like the ones you mentioned, defeat their purpose. And NONE of those apps work on a high percentage of the tablets on the market today.
If having a tablet that can be rooted by one of them is that important to you, then I'd suggest you check the list BEFORE you make your purchase rather than whining about it when they don't work.
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Oh but i do check before I make a purchase. But everytime for one reason or another things change or an update comes and all of a sudden, now you need Odin. That why im pissed kid.
Also im sure the companies arent letting anyone root by choice. They would rather have you pay $1200 for an official unlocked phone...lol...But yes those apps can and will work on many phones running 8.1 and before.. perhaps you should do your homework instead of sticking your head in the sand

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They DON'T work that is the point. The fact that you actually mentioned towel root implies that you've been trawling the Internet and you don't quite know where things are up to with root.
Those exploits have long since been patched. Pretty much no one click root's work on any recent device.
Google have patched all current exploits. Any decent manufacturer should have updated their firmware to include the patches.
Anything MM onwards is unlikely to work with one of these one click root apps.
Any device that does simply means the manufacturer doesn't care about security or has abandoned the device.
My point here is that pretty much no device works with any of these one click root's anymore.
You have a device made by a manufacturer that cares about security.
The very thing you seem to be whining about.
Millions of devices are currently using the only real root solution avaliable, Magisk, which requires a PC.
@lewmur pretty much nailed it.
If you want a device that works with one of these one click exploits, sell your up to date device and buy yourself an old banger running kitkat.
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Hey cool story but it doesnt apply here. Im sure you can see the title, read it....t580....Hardly cutting edge stuff. If i could downgrade i would but i cant without a pc. I accidently upgraded my tablet and screwed myself. Those apps wont work on a galaxy S10 or galaxy 4 tablet but if i hadnt upgraded i would have used that and it woulda worked. Is chainfire around? He could shed some light if hes still on this

smokeuout said:
Hey cool story but it doesnt apply here. Im sure you can see the title, read it....t580....Hardly cutting edge stuff. If i could downgrade i would but i cant without a pc. I accidently upgraded my tablet and screwed myself. Those apps wont work on a galaxy S10 or galaxy 4 tablet but if i hadnt upgraded i would have used that and it woulda worked. Is chainfire around? He could shed some light if hes still on this
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Not being rude, but you really have no idea.
If you actually understood anything about root and kept with the times, you would be aware why non of these exploits work on anything beyond Lollipop. Marshmallow if you're lucky and haven't updated.
Supersu stopped working with most devices at Nougat and not at all with Oreo or anything beyond.
Over and out.

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Not being rude, but you really have no idea.
If you actually understood anything about root and kept with the times, you would be aware why non of these exploits work on anything beyond Lollipop. Marshmallow if you're lucky and haven't updated.
Supersu stopped working with most devices at Nougat and not at all with Oreo or anything beyond.
Over and out.
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I understand all of that just fine, thats not what i was talking about. I mentioned chainfire not because of supersu but because when I used to be on this site daily chainfire would help me out every now and then. Im going to assume hes not so active in here anymore, but maybe im wrong.

smokeuout said:
I understand all of that just fine, thats not what i was talking about. I mentioned chainfire not because of supersu but because when I used to be on this site daily chainfire would help me out every now and then. Im going to assume hes not so active in here anymore, but maybe im wrong.
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Chain fire sold supersu to a Chinese developer who has since abandoned it.
Chain fire announced his retirement from development a while back.
Magisk is now the only true root solution and even Magisk is constantly having to evolve to keep in the game.
All the other solutions you refer to were simply exploits that leveraged a vulnerability in the running system and have long since been patched even on older devices.
Magisk is not an exploit that leverages a vulnerability, but is a chain of modifications to the running system which is implemented both at the installation stage and at boot time. Similar to how Supersu used to work, but in a more advanced way which creates its own environment.

smokeuout said:
Oh but i do check before I make a purchase. But everytime for one reason or another things change or an update comes and all of a sudden, now you need Odin. That why im pissed kid.
Also im sure the companies arent letting anyone root by choice. They would rather have you pay $1200 for an official unlocked phone...lol...But yes those apps can and will work on many phones running 8.1 and before.. perhaps you should do your homework instead of sticking your head in the sand
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That's BS. I've had a T580 since 2016 and you've never been able to root one without Odin. There is NO WAY it is on a list for one of those apps. If you just bought the T580 and checked and found it on one, name the one. Put up or shut up.