Database Users

Android on HTC Wizard ?

I sow here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382265 that the user DZO ported Android as an image on a virtual machine for HTC Touch.
They have a site here http://www.myhtcphone.com/ and I downloaded the needed files to try to see if it is working on my old Wizard. It is very simple to install it (they created even a .cab file)
But is seems that is not working. It is saying booting linux, it is displaying the console with 4 or 5 lines and after that it remains with a white screen.
Doses any one tried also to run this Android image on an HTC Wizard ?

Yes, currently there is no working version of Android on the Wizard, simply because we are missing some propriatery JAVA drivers and framework, that at least I have not been able to secure for our use. Perhaps in time a version will become available. I am still working on a version, but I dont have much hope for it.

No big deal, however I do not like Android... For now, Android is out of WM league, i know it's based on linux, but just a few apps are availible and so... A two years ago I instaled linux on my SX1 - what a wasting of time - Qtopia sucks also...

in open-nandra com sound driver for linux HTC Wizard - how this add to android?

It is something new, I have an old MDA Vario, and I want him working for Android

If you want the best system for your MDA Vario, use Windows Mobile. I suggest Ham3r's H3r5, but CRACING's CR96 is good for WM6.5, and many ROMs to choose from, even though very few are recent.
If, instead, you want Android, I suggest a different phone. I got an old AT&T Tilt, which is HTC Kaiser, and it runs Android well. In my opinion Wizard was a better phone for its time, but Android on Wizard is very immature, and advancing very slowly.

How about Windows Phone 7? See: http://www.xda-developers.com/featu...gn=Feed:+xda-developers/ShsH+(xda-developers)

can i install windows on htc hero instead of Android

HI,
is it possible to install windows in htc hero instead of android soft. I tried to search but couldnt find anything thanks
BR Sherry

may i ask you why you want to do that???

I think he is just curious to know

yes someone was saying its possible and wanna know if yes or not if yes can anyone explain how?
br

there is even an easier way to get windows mobile OS: buy a WM Device!
Really a HTC Touch Diamond 2 has basically the exact same Hardware other than the touchscreen which is resistive.
Wanting to flash your android device with WM is as strange as the currently release WM Theme for android.
People are buying android devices to get rid of the old stuff (wm 6-6.5) why on earth would they want to install a WM Theme?!

Shahpur.Azizpour said:
there is even an easier way to get windows mobile OS: buy a WM Device!
Really a HTC Touch Diamond 2 has basically the exact same Hardware other than the touchscreen which is resistive.
Wanting to flash your android device with WM is as strange as the currently release WM Theme for android.
People are buying android devices to get rid of the old stuff (wm 6-6.5) why on earth would they want to install a WM Theme?!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i agree, it´s like to buy a dog and want to make a cat out of it
but anyway i´m sorry i haven´t seen a method/tutorial how to make this

Shahpur.Azizpour said:
there is even an easier way to get windows mobile OS: buy a WM Device!
Really a HTC Touch Diamond 2 has basically the exact same Hardware other than the touchscreen which is resistive.
Wanting to flash your android device with WM is as strange as the currently release WM Theme for android.
People are buying android devices to get rid of the old stuff (wm 6-6.5) why on earth would they want to install a WM Theme?!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
thanks for ur reply but still it doesn answer wt I asked
br

Almost every people here is against windows mobile, so I don't think you will obtain an answer, sorry.
Lots of thread were started asking to run windows on these phones (sapphire and dream) and they always ended up wit people saying this is a stupid question.
My opinion is that it would be interesting, such as dual booting in your home PC.

I really wanted to get rid of wm because it stinks. it is slow i have to SR almost everyday it crashed etc. etc.
but now i'm using android my phone works great fast responsive. never needed to restart the phone and its on.
why trading the good stuff for the bad stuff. i used wM/Windows for years and i was never pleased with it now i'm using linux (on pc/hero) and its great IT WORKS so why would you wanna use wm.
youre question technically it would be possible the wm phones have the same hardware. but i think noone succeeded to install wm or viceversa. wm phones can start android but doens't work 100% and when the phone goes off they loose the data

Rather than just bashing WM (which of course I could do) I will state facts.
Android has been hacked to work on WM phones, such as the Vogue, Kaiser, Polaris, Raphael, Diamond, etc. This has been possible because Android is a UI that runs on top of Linux. Linux and Android both being open source, we have the program code for the entire OS at our disposal to change around, hack drivers, and make work on non-Android hardware.
Windows Mobile is (almost) entirely closed-source. This will make it pretty much impossible to run on a phone that it's not licensed to work on. Microsoft and HTC would have to both agree to running WM on the Hero before you'd see that happen.
EDIT: @commodoor: Yes, the hardware appears to be the same, ie. the same chips, but there will be intricate differences like memory addresses, IRQ's etc that would make this darn near impossible to achieve.

Just my tuppence worth...
I thought with the Hero having a capacitive screen that it wouldn't be able to run Windows... Thought the OS was limited to resistive screens... or am I wrong?

faisal_sherry said:
HI,
is it possible to install windows in htc hero instead of android soft. I tried to search but couldnt find anything thanks
BR Sherry
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Nothing against the poster of the above but REALLY? Putting WM on the Hero seems like the most EPIC FAIL of all time. (I wish we had a facepalm smiley to put in here).
But constructively - from what I understand, putting Android on a WM device is relatively easy (for someone with the knowledge, patience and experience) but putting WM on an Android device is almost impossible.

Technically it would be possible to do... if HTC have drivers for WinMo to talk to the Hero hardware and Microsoft gave HTC a license to put it on the phone... but that ain't gonna happen any day soon.
But then again there exists a whole lot of skilled hackers that can make any toaster run whatever they want it to run... But then again WinMo is closed source. And the skilled hackers don't know how to make any drivers.
And WinMo is a really boring OS. I have an old HTC TyTN (the first one) with WinMo 6 Pro on it. It was really boring to use since the market for that phone was the business people and I am not a business-minded human. I wanted a little more flexibility and a nicer UI to configure the way I want it.
Android + HTC's Sense UI (actually TouchFLO) is giving me that kind of freedom.
Oh... sorry for going really offtopic on this one.
To give you the short answer to the original poster; no you can't. Theoretically yes. Feasible... no.

thread closed
people have given answers.....and ill close before a flame war starts.
thank you

[Q] Installing WM on HTC Desire HD

It might be a stupid thread and stupid question and I believe the ANSWER of it might be …… it will never happen.
BUT
Is it possible? Can it be?
I am not a good fan of Android as I had a lot of problem with Nexus one,
I have been using windows mobile since ages, my first was the IPAQ, Imate PDA2K, HTC cruse, Diamond, HD (BlackStone) and Nexus one < --- just to test Android
I might be wrong judging the Android but here are my notes:
- No X button to close the applications so they just keep running in the background
- No file browser
- It was hard to make it run the WMV and still not good
- I understand in the WM 6.5 no Transcriber and block recognizer, but I think it can be managed
- No today desktop to be customized as I like to see my task and calendar
- Office is not there the way you want
And many manay other issues
Well sorry for the (too much writing) but maybe I could get some help here or people might enlighten me
THX

Honestly I have no idea how to install Wm on that phone...and I would never want to if I were yu...but ur issues don't seem to lye with android...yu just need to do some market browsing because there is a program called advanced task killer that kills apps in the background..it also has a nifty little home widget...yu can also download astro file explorer to search files on ur phone...just like in wm ...there are apps and Widgets for all the issues yu stated...the best advice I can give tho is that if yu want a wm phone...then buy one...hold out for the hd7 and see if someone might trade yu for ur desire HD...hope I've helped..
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

Thanks for the answer and as I said I already knew it will not be possible, HD with WM7 is close to android, no today screen and it is almost Iphone, I might sound old fashion but I believe it is hard to change things you got used to
I am a Linux user too (Ubuntu Lucid) is what I am using, I believe I will give Desire HD a try and see, maybe I might be able to find a way to install WM on it maybe I give Android a better look and see what it has.

jmohik said:
I might be wrong judging the Android but here are my notes:
- No X button to close the applications so they just keep running in the background
- No file browser
- It was hard to make it run the WMV and still not good
- I understand in the WM 6.5 no Transcriber and block recognizer, but I think it can be managed
- No today desktop to be customized as I like to see my task and calendar
- Office is not there the way you want
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
1. No, there is no "X" button, but Android's memory management is clever enough that you don't need one.
2. There are plenty of file browsers available on the Marketplace
3. I assume you mean .wmv videos? Not sure on this one.
4. Not sure about this
5. You can get all manner of widgets for Android that show calendars and you can get task managers etc.
6. No, office isn't perfect, but it's getting better.
If all of this is really a concern for you - why not just get an HD2? It's the same screen size and most of the same features (give or take megapixels, DLNA and a couple of bits and pieces here and there). At least then you can run WM6.5 as default and toy with the Android port which is developing really well in the meantime.

Don't want you to hate me guys BUT i did use the HD2, and here are my notes:
-Battery runs out fast
-don't like the new start menu
-no pen comes with it (i understand that all new HTC don't) i am OK with it, BUT it is not smooth the way you want in HD2.
well i am sorry to cause you headache guys i am really lost here and i do like HTC phones it is just cannot find the one that do serves me as my HD (blackstone) do
The only thing i would spare the HD (BlackStone) is its slowness.
I might consider desire HD and give it a try.
Here is what I am talking about
Type http: before //
//uploadpic.org/storage/originals/fr3f9jnn42ff39n2fre8d84ejj.jpg

@jmohik : So you wanna step back in time to WM6.1 ... if you dont like HD2 now... all the new phones (anytime soon now) are start gonna ship with WM7 .... as per your feedback and requirements, I believe you will ditch WM smartphones altogether
Btw...dont know what more do you want from a HD2 which is able to run a WM6.1, WM6.5, WM6.5.5, All Android Builds, and soon WM7 !
As far as battery, I get 1.5 days out of it .... dont expect more from such beasts...if you do, switch to Nokia

as i said ... i don't want you to hate me guys, and i said it is not easy to change things you got used to ....
well .... i will get the desire HD and i guess i will start on using it.
and BTW i also have a NOKIA E75

Thats the spirit !

It'd be far more interesting to know whether its possible to hack a WM7 rom onto the phone, seeing as the hardware looks identical to the HD7 that HTC are releasing.
Don't get me wrong, I'm Android all the way but theres no harm in experimenting!

I think you just need to spend 2-4 weeks with an Android phone running HTC Sense. I used to use a WM6.1 device, then WM6.5 and then moved to the HTC Hero which was on Android 1.5, and now 2.1. Since the first day I got the Hero, I have not looked back at WM. There really is no question about it.
I understand it all comes down to personal preference, but a Linux user like yourself should find Android easier to work with than those who don't use Linux.
As one of the other guys mentioned above, there are plenty of apps on the market you can get for free which do pretty much everything you say you want. The reason HTC don't provide a stylus these days is the screens are now capacitive not resistive, and better suited to fingers and thumbs. You can still get a stylus, but it would cost more.
P.S. I don't really have much love for the stock Android experience, as on the Nexus One... HTC Sense over the top of it is just amazing... in my opinion, but like I said, everyone has their own personal preference..!

i had an HD2 running wm6.53 and Android from the SD card. Dual booting serves no purpose BUT ITS GREAT!!!
I will get this device when its out as my HD2 died. I would love to be able to dual boot to WM7 just to give it a go.

ekerbuddyeker said:
i had an HD2 running wm6.53 and Android from the SD card. Dual booting serves no purpose BUT ITS GREAT!!!
I will get this device when its out as my HD2 died. I would love to be able to dual boot to WM7 just to give it a go.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Surely your HD2 is still within its 12 month warranty! I've had mine since it came out, that isn't even a year yet!
No one will put the time and effort in to port WP7 to an Android device, it just won't really be feasible given the amount of people who will actually want it.
Also, I can imagine it being a lot harder to go, given that WP7 is closed source, and Android is open source.

[Q] Old 6.5 apps to WP7 is it possible

I've just bought another HTC HD2 had the power supply on the old one packed up and I can only charge the batteries ( I have 4 now) out of the phone, I've previously installed the Energy Rom and it was working brilliantly with its 16 gig microSd card and Tomtom installed.
My question is, there are links here to HOW TO INSTALL WP7 to HTC HD2, even I can follow them BUT, can I use my old apps "6.5" in the new WP7 OS, I'm not sure if its worth changing to WP7 if the old apps wont work like Skype and such.
Thanks in advance.
Rikki.

No, it's bit like asking if you can run iPhone apps on WM6.5 - just can't be done unfortunately.

Thx alot....
I was hoping that some apps were backwardly compatible, but I guess not.
Thanks again, I might play around on the phone thats being returned, it wont matter if I brick it lol.

Sadly not. There are some that have been recreated for WP7 but there is such a disparity in the underlying software architectures that porting just ain't gonna happen...unless someone writes an emulator.
But half of the fun of WP7 is playing with the new apps, some of which are quite sexy and a big step on from WM6.5.

^Maybe but i dont have igo primo for wp7? anyway is there any app for wp7 like igo ?

things are moving fast,every thing is possible but as mentioned above WP7 is made to be the new face for Microsoft and the past is past.
as for emulator, it could be the right answer.
but i don't think it would be for the HD2 and HD7 in their current hardware versions.

metko said:
^Maybe but i dont have igo primo for wp7? anyway is there any app for wp7 like igo ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you live in Europe then you can try Navigon Select. Pretty basic but does the job quite well and has the same map source as iGo
For the USA there is a free sat nav software in the Marketplace called A-to-B. This app has european maps (at least for my country quite good ones!), but turn by turn is US only for the moment. European voice guidance is coming soon.

I recall reading that WP7 is based on Windows CE 6.0 (R2, I think). I've also read of GPS devices with CE6 that run some CE5.x apps (after unlocking). In fact, no CE version has ever broken compatibility with previous versions. What usually gets in the way is the layer on top of CE: Windows Mobile before and WP7 now. With WM, problems attempting to run an app in a different version than it was designed for are usually due to 1) version checks during installation failing, 2) version checks at runtime failing, and 3) missing DLLs. I have a lot of experience with overcoming all three in order to get WM apps running on plain CE devices (like GPS devices), so, once I install WP7 on my HD2, I'll see what I can do. Microsoft has made a lot of changes to WP7 to cripple the underlying OS (ex. CE6 supports multitasking), so they may have removed or implemented something that I'm not aware of to lock the phone down and purposely break compatibility (afterall, if WM apps can be made to run, it'd undo what they're trying to accomplish, security-wise), but I'll give it a shot.

there is nothing to stop us having 6.5 apps run on here, both software and hardware are compatible BUT WP7 doesnt use the same set of APIs, so WM6.5 programs would need to be reprogramed (mostly around the UI and hardware interface) to work, of course if they were going to do that then they may as well just write a native program.
This also would mean your phone would need to be unlocked, soooo unless someone developes an emulation layer as a go between you'll not get them working im afraid.

[Q] Samsung Focus downgrading from WP7 to WM 6.5.3/6.5

Anyone.
This WP7 os stinks as to the proprietary nature.
I have I nice new Samsung Focus with no AT&T applications and the .7008 os.
What I wonder about:
Can the windows mobile 6.5.3/6.5 be installed on that phone?
I have a Samsung Omnia II also and some applications I really dig.
And so the Focus is a nice phone (for me) but the WP7 stinks.
Can not even syncronize directly with Outlook (an IPhone can and that is also a g.d. proprietary phone)
Anyone have the needed cookbook and tools?
That is, given it is possible to downgrade.
The os for 6.5.3 I have, but I can not use Octans on the Focus so if it is possible in some way to downgrade the phone I need something similar that works with the WP7 phone, Focus

As there is no HSPL for the Focus and none of the drivers that would be needed in WM6.5.3 for the Focus's Hardware you currently won't be able to downgrade.
Thread should be in the Foucs Forum anyway, not Omnia 7.