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So Froyo is here and my phone is full... constant messages in the notificication bar saying sms cannot be received because the phone is full etc...
Wasnt Apps to SD meant to sort this, how can it when not even Google uses this feature, only one of my apps (skymap) uses it...
What about maps,earth etc... all the massive files
What a joke
Froyo release isn't even finished (not even really started) and you are complaining now? Just WAIT.
marmankites said:
So Froyo is here and my phone is full... constant messages in the notificication bar saying sms cannot be received because the phone is full etc...
Wasnt Apps to SD meant to sort this, how can it when not even Google uses this feature, only one of my apps (skymap) uses it...
What about maps,earth etc... all the massive files
What a joke
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You do know you have to move those files manually right? Goto settings->Applications->Manage Applications->[App name here] then click move to SD Card. This only works with applications that the developer of the app flaged to be able to move to SD card.
I agree, it does suck. Even with the command that allows you to move all apps2sd, it is still horrible in my opinion. This is why I am back to using the old method of apps2sd, much more easier -- and it doesn't take up space on my main SD card partition.
Of course I know you do it manually, I went through all my apps hoping I could find some to move to get a txt message come through, pulling my hair out!
What is this, Apple now?
You're all idiots. Froyo JUST got released. Now devs actually have a reason to implement A2SD in their apps. That's right, the Froyo method requires each app to be made compatible first. And yeah you have to do it manually. So freaking educate yourselves before you start *****ing.
Yes and the froyo method only moves a portion of the app leaving a large portion on your phone. Also if you have to format your sd card then when you restore your back up to your sd card from your computer you still have to reinstall all of your apps because the implementation has some sort of encryption and screws you over. So your right we are all idiots because the google implemented a ****ty half ass version of apps 2 sd!
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You're all idiots. Froyo JUST got released. Now devs actually have a reason to implement A2SD in their apps. That's right, the Froyo method requires each app to be made compatible first. And yeah you have to do it manually. So freaking educate yourselves before you start *****ing.
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I am not sure who need education,
I do feel their implementation is flawed as well. The fact is that it's easy to see that the ext4 partition method is better and simpler.
Glad others have found it to be a pittyfull attempt
Its on par with Apples "multitasking"
I think it is good enough for a normal user. All other use app2sd anyway.
I also use the 'old' method.
I have an EXT3 partitin and it's much smoother and less internal memory is used.
I hate the fact that all apps that are on the SD the FROYO way don't work if you mount your SDCARD.
Im having a hard time of finding the benefits of Google version over the APPS2SD version.
Not knocking Googles version since its brand spanking new...but outside of the need to partition it seems better than Google version.
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Im having a hard time of finding the benefits of Google version over the APPS2SD version.
Not knocking Googles version since its brand spanking new...but outside of the need to partition it seems better than Google version.
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Yeah after seeing how it works on my nexus I plan on rooting my phone finally so I don't have to be annoyed by it in the future.
So if you install whole apps on the sd card... what happens to those with widgets you are currently using and you mount the sd card? It will totally screw the widgets right?
Edit: Nvm, that's why there's an ext3 partition right?
Grrr...stupid question.
Can I create an EXT partition at this point without wiping my SD card or losing data ?
Well I agree it is not as good as having an ext partition for apps2sd but I have had zero issues with the new version. I installed market manager and choose to install apps to the sd card. Manually move them over and reboot. Once booted I force close adw.launcher with a task manager and all apps show and work just fine. I have over 100 apps on my phone and almost all of them are on sd with the exception of widgets and a couple others for one reason or another. No glitches or problems whatsoever. not sure what you guys are doing wrong.
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Well I agree it is not as good as having an ext partition for apps2sd but I have had zero issues with the new version. I installed market manager and choose to install apps to the sd card. Manually move them over and reboot. Once booted I force close adw.launcher with a task manager and all apps show and work just fine. I have over 100 apps on my phone and almost all of them are on sd with the exception of widgets and a couple others for one reason or another. No glitches or problems whatsoever. not sure what you guys are doing wrong.
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Can you explain the bolded ?
Theres so few apps enabled for SD and Im already out of space. There was a way to force all apps to sd googles way but it seemed to cause problems.
BTW the skin switched after I typed this freaked me the hell out...thought I accidently posted this on BangBros forum or something.
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Can you explain the bolded ?
Theres so few apps enabled for SD and Im already out of space. There was a way to force all apps to sd googles way but it seemed to cause problems.
BTW the skin switched after I typed this freaked me the hell out...thought I accidently posted this on BangBros forum or something.
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market manager gives you the option to pick where you want to install your apps. if you tell them to go to sd and then go into settings, applications, manage applications and click on an app you can click "move to sd" and the app will go there. Essentially it is the google method. I haven't used frf83 yet so I dunno if it's different.
forum skin change just freaked me out too haha!
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market manager gives you the option to pick where you want to install your apps. if you tell them to go to sd and then go into settings, applications, manage applications and click on an app you can click "move to sd" and the app will go there. Essentially it is the google method. I haven't used frf83 yet so I dunno if it's different.
forum skin change just freaked me out too haha!
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Is this a seperate app ?
If so I cant find a link here or marketplace.
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Is this a seperate app ?
If so I cant find a link here or marketplace.
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I'm sorry, I believe it's called "MarketAccess". I sent my n1 in for dust and don't have it to look at right now. my mistake.
I currently have a 16gb card in my phone. it is loaded to the bone right now. i'm going to a concert tonight and will probably record some stuff in HD. that takes alot of space. rather than delete my 12 gigs of music off to make room, i was going to use another card i have that is empty. i'm thinking it'll work just fine but is there anything on the sd card in my phone that would need to be copied over, for the system mainly, to work ok? all my apps are on the phone, but i'm wondering about some of the other files/folders that get loaded by the phone. any info would be great. thanks! (running liberty 1.5 btw)
I would love to know more about this as well...I recently "upgraded" to a class 6 16GB card (and by upgraded, I mean I grabbed the card out of my old HTC TouchPro 2, formatted it, and put it in my DX). I just copied everything from the old card to the new one.
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I currently have a 16gb card in my phone. it is loaded to the bone right now. i'm going to a concert tonight and will probably record some stuff in HD. that takes alot of space. rather than delete my 12 gigs of music off to make room, i was going to use another card i have that is empty. i'm thinking it'll work just fine but is there anything on the sd card in my phone that would need to be copied over, for the system mainly, to work ok? all my apps are on the phone, but i'm wondering about some of the other files/folders that get loaded by the phone. any info would be great. thanks! (running liberty 1.5 btw)
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There is a liberty folder on the sdcard that im guessing the toolbox uses that you will want to copy. I would also look for any folders that resemble app names and copy them as well, as they may contain app data. Any other folders you need should be recreated by the OS or apps.
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Question. I doubt there is an app for this because this issue is so user/device/application specific... but I noticed in 1 month of owning my phone that I now have 600MB available on a 8GB SD card.
I imagine plenty of this is junk... and I will need to go through using ADB or a wifi file explorer app to review each directory on the SD and delete those files that I can determine (if possible) are in fact junk... I know certainly easy ones like old manual downloads of apps and such should be deleted... But after that... I am a little apprehensive.
One related issue is the App to SD app. I have re-flashed my ROM a couple times, and each time I have to move everything back to the SD... But I would think Ti, upon restoring this application, would have user data already in place stating which app "should" be on the SD card (even if it is not because of the new state of the recent ROM)... and then move them automatically. Right now, I am moving my apps to SD (using the app), and I suspect there are dead, non working versions of these apps someplace on the SD...
In general, does anyone have advice for cleaning the SD card. I know that when you uninstall an app, it uninstalls it, yes, but all traces of its former existence remain.... On my laptop, I use revo-uninstaller, because it is amazing how much junk is left over -- on the HD or in the registry, or wherever, and its nice to clean all this out on an uninstall.
Does Android have anything comparable?
Astro file manager.
Or just plug your phone into your computer and turn on USB storage.
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Why Astro? What does it do?
I have used it before, then Linda, then some other file manager, and now I use Smart File Manager and Ghost Commander because of the mix of functions and root access.
But why does Astro solve the aforementioned problems? And USB Storage? You are just providing me tools which give me access, albeit easier access, to the SD Card. I know how to crawl every file on the SD Card... What I don't know is the bulk of 7GB that I cannot imagine are even being used.
Glacier has a stock 8GB SD card... if I have some downloaded junk, dropbox with 1GB, and all moveable apps moved to my SD, all of this should be ~4 GB. Yet as I mention in my original post, I have 650MB left. So there is garbarge someplace....WHERE? I just don't understand the FS well enough to know how apps are being used and where valid copies of them are.... its not like I can look at /etc or /usr/lib on the SD card and know what is not an active app... (I wish)
Heres a short list of some directory you can delete that wont harm anything and there locations. they will be rebuilt then next time u use the respective app and will be smaller generally.
sdcard/
.bookmak_thumb1
.imp.thumbnails
data
sdcard/DCIM/
.thumbnails
Go through your music make sure you have no doubles as well as any recovery backups that are old each will be 500mb+
Also a good idea is to first move back all your apps to your phone temporarily. Then use Titanium backup and backup everything all system + User apps + Data then plug you phone onto your computer and copy everything on your SD over to your desktop. Once done unplug the usb and format the card through your phone Menu>Settings>SD & phone storage. After thats done copy the pertinent files you copied to your desktop back. I.E. Music pictures backups ect making sure you don't copy stuff you don't use or need. If your like me space is at a premium and i plug my phone into my PC alot and for some horrible reason windows likes to hide crap on my SD and eventually takes up a load of space. I use perfect Disk's free space cleaner to do this but if you don't want to shell out the cash for it the above is the best option.
Hope this helps.
Thank you so much for all that info... It was quite nice of you to go into such detail... I know what you mean about windows, you have to keep on it... keep pushing it back.
I will use your suggestions.. they are the best thing I could have asked for.
Incidentally, I saw in your sig that you use a stock Rom... Why is that? I have had my glacier for about 7 weeks and while I rooted it right away, I didn't Flash a modded ROM until CM RC3.
Have you any personal opinions on using a non-sense ROM...? That is about the one thing I seem to read consistently. People saying that HTC builds the devices to perform better with a sense based UI/ROM.
Any opinion? Just curious...(don't mean to take advantage of your kindness in your last post.)
Edit: Fail at English, Being tired doesn't help.
I love the Espresso sense Stock comes with. It has all the features i want where i want them and its a clean look. After I Froze the bloatware it runs Just as well as the comparable roms with optimized code but better stability. Because Sadly with optimized code comes less compatibility and greater risk for instability. Eventually I'll flash something else but its gonna need to be something along the lines of a gingerbread version of stock.
From what i understand there actually is alot of device specific compatibility involved, especially with Sense. The Espresso Sense they used is highly specific in alot of the areas, whitch is why Faux123 has had so many issues this making a 100% compatible Sense kernel. Also if you think about it, they where made for each other and i doubt T-mo or HTC want to release updates all the time to fix issues so they made it as stable and compatible within reason for the general public.
Well... I tend to agree with you, although I am not the coder I would like to be, and as such I do not understand a lot about the Android OS and FS that I wish I did.
I work within a linux environment maybe half the time, but with Linux, there is always more to learn... So I need to ask then why upgrade your kernel? Is this faux's kernel which is close to being sense compatible? I was fine using my stock ROM, rooted, but some psychological nonsense made me believe that going from 2.2.1 to 2.3 would somehow change my entire Android experience. And while there are some minor features that are new, other than CM themes and all that, I don't know if jumping to GIngerbread is necessary....or if my experience sticking with the Stock Froyo would be a wiser choice... modding whatever I want as I am perm rooted radio s=off like you.
But I would like to know what the benefit of the kernel gives you...
The updated kernel adds updated drivers code improvements, several new CPU governors for better performance and battery life and alot of other stuff. and with Faux behind the wheel its guaranteed to be good. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=941141
Cool. I did not know this. So you are running 2.2 but the kernel is enhancing this a great deal.
You are so cool and nice to answer my questions...and I don't want to turn this into a "Ask SoltyPK" thread but I have a q that you addressed with another user... mine might be more rudimentary... but how can I upgrade to CWR 3.0.0.6? I have the donate Rom Manager and it itself is the latest version of the app but its the old 3.0.0.5. Really confused and frustrated. Downloaded unrevoked...but that's for wildfire so I don't think that would be wise.
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I saw that you answered my CW question in my thread from earlier today. Thanks. Been figuring out a lot of stuff today.
So I flashed the new recovery. Awesome.
I won't apologize for asking questions anymore. You must just enjoy it. I am insomniac, and am always in front of this phone our my laptop, so I think I am just the odd one.
In December, someone released a launcher for what was supposed to be the"gingerbread launcher". It is more or less the launcher that CM7 uses, the icons are the same, and the animation upon opening and closing odd the same... But the pre-gingerbread launcher from december had a really nice vertical 3D roller effect. Do you know if there is any way I can get this effect with some mod or changing settings in ADW (the launcher format of CM7)? Do you even know what I am talking about?
Thanks on this one a lot..
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Yeah thats from ADW Launcher i believe. its on the app market.
I just got my Epic 4G and while I did find the way you can move SOME apps to the sd card once they are installed, I was wondering if there was any way to install/move ALL the applications to the microsd card either normally or after the phone is rooted???
Why?
Fill up the space on your phone first. That's what it is for.
Read speeds are going to be much faster coming from the phone space than the SD card.
Additionally, you won't have to wait forever while the media scanner scans all your apps before you can start using them.
If u rooted get titanium back up pro and it can almost do all the apps on the sd
If you are rooted, you can install this app which will allow you to move the majority of apps to the SD card. Some of them you can't (like launchers, for example) and any with widgets you shouldn't because the widgets won't work.
I'm an ex-Tilt 2-Windows Mobile 6.5 user, so if my phone memory got used up, the phone ran SUPER slow...so I had to keep programs stored ENTIRELY on the sd card, keep my txt msgs to a minimum, otherwise the phone started to CRAWL...is that not true for Android?
Well the question you asked is possible. The app is called move2sd enabler and root is required.
Argh, beatin by a typer...
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zeoran said:
I'm an ex-Tilt 2-Windows Mobile 6.5 user, so if my phone memory got used up, the phone ran SUPER slow...so I had to keep programs stored ENTIRELY on the sd card, keep my txt msgs to a minimum, otherwise the phone started to CRAWL...is that not true for Android?
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Maybe if you fill it to the brink.
Leave ~100 megs for cache. As long as you are not getting any warnings from android about it being to full, then it isn't going to slow down.
If he's asking about backing up EVERYTHING, that's a nandroid backup.
I also wonder if this is a misunderstanding of the concept of app to sd. I know the definition for apps that won't move is service apps right?
I know some stuff wont work because of widgets but when you boot if your card is too full, it takes longer and that is frustrating, well at least to me.
Just for opinions really ...
So Which is best WP7 or Android on hd2,
Would say WM6.5 but I hate it!
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Usability, graphics, performance...
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ask me?
i would prefer the android ROM, especially GB. smooth and fast for daily use.
coz i have got experience with W7..there's so much lock app or sometimes app/gall is locked too..
but, it's depend on what you need of course..
I was jumping between Nodo and Gingerbread for over a month, as soon as I installed one I missed the other. Then Mango came out and I could no longer decide, so had them both. Now I have Mango and Ice Cream Sandwich. I am still not sure what I would keep if given a choice of only one.
My biggest bug with WP7.5 was inability to transfer .pdf files to be used with Acrobat reader. You could get the reader, but when it came to files it was a whole different scenario, as Zune transfers only media and photos, so there were suggestions of drop box, e-mailing yourself (yeah, the entire library), etc. Now there is a program that gets your files (I believe any files) loaded through USB and my WP7.5 is a lot more useful.
Android is a lot more democratic when playing videos. Full stop. Zune is too finicky with what it wants to play and the whole connect and synchronise routine can't win against the simplicity of plug and drop. So I have 65 movies on my Android and none on my Mango. Mango, however, has my entire collection of family photos from 2002 - all sorted by dates and readily available, my Facebook albums, my friends' albums and whatever else I might need to keep up with anyone I care about.
Mango takes better HD videos and I enjoy just sharing photos on Facebook, including tags and updates. Android allows you to use any tune as a ringtone, the procedure for WP7 is hellish nightmare for uninitiated.
I liked Mango's Zune player, so got it installed on Android, I liked WP7 keyboard with its uncanny word accuracy and prediction - same thing (in fact, after trying a whole lot of keyboards, I think none beats the one that came with WP7, not even in the same league). Even Metro messaging UI was ported over.
Social networking integration, however, places Mango way ahead of Android. The whole concept of People Hub, Pictures, Calendar, Me etc - perfect. And is the biggest reason I like Mango so much.
As far as games and apps - I like Sam, the Personal Assistant. It's similar to Iphone's Siri and I wish WP7 could get one just like it. Navigation, Google Goggles, Places etc - Android, games - Mango. Otherwise apps are more or less evenly spread, depending on your needs, of course. Other e-book format and readers - definitely Android, music - Mango. Zune got all my albums properly arranged, the album art was readily available and all the information was added perfectly well.
I never experienced any problems with Mango, but I did have occasional freezes and mishaps with Android. But then again, I am running Android off SD, the ICS is still in development, so it would be unfair to say Android is to blame.
I guess I got you even more confused now than when you started What I am trying to say is both are great, Android is perhaps a bit more versatile at the moment, but WP7 is catching up fast. Can't wait to see the next incarnation.
I would agree that Mango seems more stable as I was just out and about this evening trying the ICS-4.0.3-CM9-build15 I installed on my HD2 recently but I must admit it did hang and freeze on numerous occasions. I was taking loads of pics of Plymouth harbour and the gallery froze and had to be shutdown then Google maps blacked the screen which was annoying cos I was using it to find my way back to the bus! What was more annoying was that I didn't have the other sd card that I use when booting WP7.5!!
On that subject, any of you guys running HD2O_WP7_1.26_LEO71_8107_ WP7.5 off NAND with ICS-4.0.3-CM9-build15 using the same SD card? I have tried everything to get this to work but everytime I have gone through the procedure, easeus partition etc etc everything boots fine BUT Android says 'please install an SD card' it can't somehow read the SD card which it has just booted off!! The only way I can get the ICS to work is if I use a separate SD which I have formatted using sdformatter.
Pity cos I would love to have both on the phone at the same time without having to change the SD.
Olly
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I would agree that Mango seems more stable as I was just out and about this evening trying the ICS-4.0.3-CM9-build15 I installed on my HD2 recently but I must admit it did hang and freeze on numerous occasions. I was taking loads of pics of Plymouth harbour and the gallery froze and had to be shutdown then Google maps blacked the screen which was annoying cos I was using it to find my way back to the bus! What was more annoying was that I didn't have the other sd card that I use when booting WP7.5!!
On that subject, any of you guys running HD2O_WP7_1.26_LEO71_8107_ WP7.5 off NAND with ICS-4.0.3-CM9-build15 using the same SD card? I have tried everything to get this to work but everytime I have gone through the procedure, easeus partition etc etc everything boots fine BUT Android says 'please install an SD card' it can't somehow read the SD card which it has just booted off!! The only way I can get the ICS to work is if I use a separate SD which I have formatted using sdformatter.
Pity cos I would love to have both on the phone at the same time without having to change the SD.
Olly
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My guess would be your card is to blame. Although I am running BTTF + Tytung's latest ICS 1.4. Went through 3 cards with 2 just dying within 2 weeks of operation and constant problems with either WP7.5 or Android not booting, restarting etc. Finally I went with San Disk and the problems magically disappeared.
I never go through Easeus partitioning because BTTF provides storage unlock and partitioning .cab, I just unlocked, partitioned to have 10Gb for Mango and 20Gb for ICS, never looked back.
Windows phone 7 is smoother, but of course has less going on in the background, and also has better social network integration, while Android has the overwhelming edge when it comes to apps, but that users would likely be happy with either on their HTC HD2.
But I think Android is the best phone OS going right now.....
just android
I would move to WP7, if only the battery drain problem would be properly fixed.
Since that's not happening, I have a nice and smooth GB rom on my HD2 as a daily driver.
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My guess would be your card is to blame. Although I am running BTTF + Tytung's latest ICS 1.4. Went through 3 cards with 2 just dying within 2 weeks of operation and constant problems with either WP7.5 or Android not booting, restarting etc. Finally I went with San Disk and the problems magically disappeared.
I never go through Easeus partitioning because BTTF provides storage unlock and partitioning .cab, I just unlocked, partitioned to have 10Gb for Mango and 20Gb for ICS, never looked back.
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What are u using in place of Easeus? I thought the WP7 had to be larger according the video on Pdaimatejam ROM. Are you partitioning before you install the ROM? Maybe you can send a link to the forum your reading
maybe this
I think what she's does is she installs WP7 first then unlocks the sd card (this there's a tut here somewhere) then she partitions the unlocked sd card for android
lets have enigma1nz confirm this