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Anyone else experiencing excessive battery drain on their HD2?
I am interested to know if this is just my phone or if it actually just chews through that much juice.
I have had windows mobile phones for several years so I know all the basic ways to keep battery drain down.
Stuff that I have generally found:
1. If I keep the screen turned on without it going blank I lose about 1% every 2 minutes.
2. If I am browsing that figure almost doubles.
3. My old Touch HD used about 5% battery overnight when in standby but this phone will go through about 25%.
4. The phone gets really hot when browsing (much hotter than my old Touch HD)
I have tried flashing ROM's and Radios but nothing seems to help.
I am not running any software on the phone that I wasn't running on my old HD1.
I have only had the phone for a week so I am not sure if this is normal but I would be very surprised if HTC released a phone that lasts for only a few hours on one battery.
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-1% every 3 minutes
-4% during the night (when i'am sleeping)
MAXIMUM : 45/48 HOURS
Crash95 said:
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-1% every 3 minutes
-4% during the night (when i'am sleeping)
MAXIMUM : 45/48 HOURS
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I wish I got 2 days
we really need extended battery ,hd1 battery was much more better.
Good mate but yes i agreee HTC has come up with a battery eating device this time around. My device on full charge just gives in around 8-10 hrs. This might be dat my EDGE is on and 7 mails accounts sending mails back and forth.
but truly i think that HTC better look into this very seriously cause more and more ppl are suffering in this battery drain..
Any of flashing roms and radio not helping either... did a complete hard reset but no step up
HTC come with longer battery battery for bigger devices soon......
The only solution i see now is get one of those extra battery worth mind bogling £52.87
I've had this problem ever since flashing to 1.66, I flashed the radio to 2.07.50.27 as this was said to solve the problem but it hasn't made any difference after a few days of use. My battery life used to be significantly better when I was on the original stock ROM, so much so I'm considering going back to it
I also know all the tricks as to clawing back the battery drain, my phone is idle on my desk at work most of the time and I don't use Wi-Fi, all the location stuff is turned off as are weather, stock and other updates plus my screen is set to 30% then off after 60 seconds. Despite all of that I lose 1% every 2-3 minutes
It seems to me that perhaps the radio is checking for reception pretty much constantly rather than say, 5-10 mins perhaps? This used to be a problem on my old Blackberry Storm but a few fimware updates solved it, eventually!
The only other thing I've noticed since the update is that once the battery drops below 50% or so, the drain seems to slow, I don't know if this is perhaps because the phone goes into some sort of semi-power saving mode?
Suggestions/hints welcome! I've had a semi-thorough look into this on the forums and tried most of the suggestions but still the problem remains. Will battery life improve after a few charges perhaps as this was a trait of my Storm's battery, the more you charged it the better the day to day battery life was (and no it wasn't because I had it plugged in all the time! Over time the general charge just seemed to improve when roaming).
Thanks!
Piemole said:
Anyone else experiencing excessive battery drain on their HD2?
I am interested to know if this is just my phone or if it actually just chews through that much juice.
I have had windows mobile phones for several years so I know all the basic ways to keep battery drain down.
Stuff that I have generally found:
1. If I keep the screen turned on without it going blank I lose about 1% every 2 minutes.
2. If I am browsing that figure almost doubles.
3. My old Touch HD used about 5% battery overnight when in standby but this phone will go through about 25%.
4. The phone gets really hot when browsing (much hotter than my old Touch HD)
I have tried flashing ROM's and Radios but nothing seems to help.
I am not running any software on the phone that I wasn't running on my old HD1.
I have only had the phone for a week so I am not sure if this is normal but I would be very surprised if HTC released a phone that lasts for only a few hours on one battery.
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You need to indicate what services you have running. Do you have any data services running eg: location services, push mail, weather? all of these have a bearing. In addition, network services can also drain a battery, especially if the signal is weak and the phone have to search for a transmitter, or 3g services.
Hexjibber said:
The only other thing I've noticed since the update is that once the battery drops below 50% or so, the drain seems to slow, I don't know if this is perhaps because the phone goes into some sort of semi-power saving mode?
Thanks!
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That is a very interesting comment. Although since upgrading to radio 2.07.51.05_2 I have had very good battery life, I too have noticed a slowdown after 50%
romac said:
You need to indicate what services you have running. Do you have any data services running eg: location services, push mail, weather? all of these have a bearing. In addition, network services can also drain a battery, especially if the signal is weak and the phone have to search for a transmitter, or 3g services.
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Nothing is turned on, everything is set to manual.
As I stated I know all the basic stuff. I understand that all these things have a bearing on battery loss.
Everything I stated in the first post is for when I have nothing running. The phone is just sitting there running sense, thats all.
I have had my HD2 for a few days now. I am on Vodacom in South Africa.
I have not had a problem with battery life.
Yesterday i unplugged from the charger at 07:00. I spent about 1 and 1/2 hours of talk time on the phone, it was permanently connected to 3g doing weather updates etc. Sent and received a couple of sms's. Also played with a few tweaks and reboots.
When i got home at about 18:00 i had over 30% battery. I then surfed the web for over 2 hours to drain the battery.
try setting Network Selection to Manual
Piemole said:
Anyone else experiencing excessive battery drain on their HD2?
I am interested to know if this is just my phone or if it actually just chews through that much juice.
I have had windows mobile phones for several years so I know all the basic ways to keep battery drain down.
Stuff that I have generally found:
1. If I keep the screen turned on without it going blank I lose about 1% every 2 minutes.
2. If I am browsing that figure almost doubles.
3. My old Touch HD used about 5% battery overnight when in standby but this phone will go through about 25%.
4. The phone gets really hot when browsing (much hotter than my old Touch HD)
I have tried flashing ROM's and Radios but nothing seems to help.
I am not running any software on the phone that I wasn't running on my old HD1.
I have only had the phone for a week so I am not sure if this is normal but I would be very surprised if HTC released a phone that lasts for only a few hours on one battery.
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Same here with and without stock ROM.
yeah.. the phone is a battery sucker.... another cons of HD2....
This is very interesting to read because I do not have this problem. When I left my HTC HD2 on last night (I woke up at 4 in the morning to get something to drink and unplugged it) and then woke up at 8, it was at 98%. That means it went from 100% to 98% in 4 hours. Not to bad imo.
I am now at work and it is 15:34, and I am at 87%. I have made some calls, watched some videos, send a few text messages. Not much (I am at work so I got other things to do). So 08:00 (98%) - 15:34 (87%) - that's 7 and a half hours, with some calls, text messages and a video.
I am pretty sure when I get home at 18:30 the battery will still be above 75%. Then I connect to my wifi at home, refresh twitter, weather, browse the web a little bit, check e-mail etc. So that will drain my battery a little more.
But overall I have not had any problems with my battery life. I always make it trough a day, and never have a problem like 'damn my battery is almost done and I am not near a charger'.
Some info that might help:
I do not sync ANYTHING automatically. I still have some things to do with my Vodafone contract and do not have an unlimited plan yet. I only sync at home on my own wifi connection. For me this is not a problem, because I only need to refresh the weather each morning to see what the day is going to be like. Twitter I only do when I have the time. Stocks I do not use.
I have screen brightness set to automatic.
I am on 3G most of the time.
I am running the official 1.66 Dutch ROM.
I have some tweaks, games and programs installed.
I hope you all solve this issue, because it just can not be that my HD2 has a good battery life, and your HD2 not
Kind Regards
EDIT @ 17:00 still 87%.
I am in a 3G 2100 only network (I don't have 2G functionality).
ROM: Artemis 3.0
Radio: 2.06.50.23_3
Customization: Seiya 6.5.5
I don't leave any automatic updates on, except for my e-mail account every 2 hrs.
I never close my connection.
The drainage overnight is -3% (8hrs).
The battery lasts at least 12 hrs of intense usage.
Normally I have to recharge every second day (e.g. I charged last night, I answered a few calls, I did some IM and browsing and I still have 73% left).
For a phone with a 1 GHz processor, a 4.3" screen and a tiny 1250 mAh battery I find the drainage is rather decent.
Mind you, I ALWAYS do at least one full charging cycle to my battery after flashing a new ROM. I mean: full discharge, battery out 1 min, full charging in OFF mode, battery out 2 mins.
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Mind you, I ALWAYS do at least one full charging cycle to my battery after flashing a new ROM. I mean: full discharge, battery out 1 min, full charging in OFF mode, battery out 2 mins.
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I have seen this process recommended a couple of times now. What is the theory behind it if you don't mind me asking?
maybe its also becouse some of us couldnt wait using the hd2 when they got it (like me) before it was fully charged for the first time
anyway my battery life has improved a little bit, i was at 74% this morning and did a lot of browsing, installing, tweaking and now its at 3%. it used to be much worse
I have battery consuming problem from time to time.I did everything:
installed new stock rom 1.66;
transfered all data which phone is using from card to phone memory(pictures,icons,sounds.etc...)
all updates are done manually;
Gprs connection is swiched off on the idle after one min;
One night it is loosing from 2 to 4%;
another from 30 to 40%
and it is eating memory from 10 to 15mb
I think that it is radio which is causing battery drainage so fast(to much communication wit a base stations,because when I am checking spb wireless monitor in the morning,there is no any data traffic.
I hope they can solve problem,because it is getting me mad and crazy
Try setting the screen brightness to 10-20% (on battery powered)
and dim backlight after 10 seconds (on batter powered).
It helps a lot, at least for me.
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I have seen this process recommended a couple of times now. What is the theory behind it if you don't mind me asking?
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as far as i know, the battery has an integrated digital circuit (ic) which estimates the state-of-charge (soc). the procedure resets/calibrates the ic to obtain a more accurate estimation. since the radio rom is in charge with the power management (among other things), by changing it you decalibrate the "gauge".
i don't know if i've got the theory right but i tested this myself and it surely works.
I had everything turned off. No email, no sync, no wifi, no gps, nothing. I fully charged the battery and unplugged it before I left. Display was never turned on. I wanted to see a completely isolated battery test. The only applications I had active according to my task manager was Launcher Pro.
Time on 10 hours 20 minutes
Battery life left 60%
Battery used 40%
Cell Standby - 40%
Phone Idle - 30%
Android System 20%
Calls (1 missed call) 5%
Display 3%
Maps 2% (Why does maps show up?)
Again this is with absolutely 0 use or syncing going on. Left phone at home, turned on and immediately checked stats when I got back from work.
According to this small test I can't even last a day on a full charge even if I left it completely alone.
Thoughts?
Running stock JI6
Holy stewart Gilligan Griffin.
Why does everyone need to make a thread for personalized information regarding their battery life?!?
I had a g1 n then mytouch n I've never seen such whining over battery life. If I see one more battery thread.......
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at least your reply was helpful.
sj_martin said:
Running stock JI6
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In 1.5 day of standby with every radio off and no sim, my phone only lost about 5% with stock JI6.
I think it is a cool idea. I find that 5% usage for one missed call is very bad. I have really suspected that voice calls kill this battery and that seems to add evidence. 5% for a missed call? That is messed up.
I think this is the aspect of battery life that doesn't get addressed enough: drain during standby. Of course everyone expects to lose some power while the display is on and syncing/other processes are running--but what about when the phone is left untouched? Here are 3 ideas:
3g is a notorious battery drain even when the phone is not being used--use 2g instead.
Freeze or uninstall media hub and other running processes that attempt to run/connect to servers in the background. I removed dmservice, media hub, and all drm processes and this seemed to be helpful.
Use a custom rom--these appear to hold power in standby better than stock roms do.
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I think it is a cool idea. I find that 5% usage for one missed call is very bad. I have really suspected that voice calls kill this battery and that seems to add evidence. 5% for a missed call? That is messed up.
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To add further detail usage time was 45 seconds for the missed call.
sj_martin said:
I had everything turned off. No email, no sync, no wifi, no gps, nothing. I fully charged the battery and unplugged it before I left. Display was never turned on. I wanted to see a completely isolated battery test. The only applications I had active according to my task manager was Launcher Pro.
Time on 10 hours 20 minutes
Battery life left 60%
Battery used 40%
Cell Standby - 40%
Phone Idle - 30%
Android System 20%
Calls (1 missed call) 5%
Display 3%
Maps 2% (Why does maps show up?)
Again this is with absolutely 0 use or syncing going on. Left phone at home, turned on and immediately checked stats when I got back from work.
According to this small test I can't even last a day on a full charge even if I left it completely alone.
Thoughts?
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Cell Standby indicates that there is an activity that polls something from the network.
if you are so concerned about what it might be, you can see when and how much data is being used by going to your TMO account online and check for the data usage - one of the good features TMO put in place is actually tell you when your phone connected to get what amount of data over the data connection, does not tell you what it was doing though.
Yeah, something is going very wrong in your phone. When my phone is on standby with just 2G on it drains less than 1% per hour. I would definitely recommend getting rid of the drm service and media hub (and Daily Briefing). I also use Autostarts to keep all kinds of random programs from starting at inappropriate times (Really Slacker, does your app need to launch every time the time zone changes?)
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I would definitely recommend getting rid of the drm service
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It is.... DrmUA.apk?
According to Samsung the phone should last 450 hours in standby mode...
Anyway, yeah, I'd be curious to see the same test done with 2g only.
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According to Samsung the phone should last 450 hours in standby mode...
Anyway, yeah, I'd be curious to see the same test done with 2g only.
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450 hours rofl.
Looks like i'm going to go off stock and try out some roms now. I assume bionix 1.9 is the new hotness out there? Going to flash and try the same test again and post results.
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According to Samsung the phone should last 450 hours in standby mode...
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I wonder if Samsung's definition of "standby mode" is what the rest of us call "off".
I've never had any kind of batt life with this phone...charge everday overnight...start work at 8, use here and there for navi (around 10 mins max, maybe 2x a day) about 30 min avg talk...and mp3 player...get home by 4 and always at 30% or (most often ) less...have had stock/ bionix roms, never changed, no matter what build....it's pathetic..called tmo, they said there are no known issues with batt on this phone...wow...do a google search on it..anyways, they are sending out a new batt..I hope I just got a bad one...seems very random tho, some ppl have all radios on ,screen all the way up and get 10+ hrs...if i left my screen on (say navi on) for more then an hour straight I'd be out of battery..very weird..praying new batt is better...
copied from team whiskey site:
Code:
Battery Conditioning
Does it seem like youre just not getting the battery life you should from your phone? Do all your other friends keep going while you slowly putter into a shutdown? Well pout no more! Simply follow these steps to clear your batter information from the phone and your phone will act better then new! :)
1. Charge phone completely, leave plugged into power
2. Boot into recovery
3. Wipe battery stats
4. Reboot to normal
5. Remove power cable
6. Drain that sucker all the way
7. Recharge fully
8. Rejoice!"
I turned my phone off today. Then I left the house. When I got back the battery was glad to see me. Seriously, I've read just about everyone and almost started my own battery disturbance thread. I've come up with a new thought at least for me. I don't care any more. I have electricity. I have a spare battery and a charger. If my phone wants to last a whole day. Yay! If I use it more because of some game with angry birds or cards or dice, great. I've reached that Mark Twain moment somewhat tweaked when he said,
“Age is an issue of mind over matter. If you don't mind, it doesn't matter.”
I'll tweak it with the last 27% of battery left in my feeble vibrant to:
"battery is an issue of mind over matter. If you don't mind, it won't matter".
Enough already I say! Lets spare the air. Batteries are meant to be used
Back to the regular reading of all the battery threads now.
I think I had the same issue as you. Cell standby was the biggest drain. When you tap on that, do you see 50% time without signal? If that's the case, this seems to be a bug in Android which was somehow introduced in JI6. The best solution I've found so far is after every boot to put your phone in flight mode for a few seconds and back. This fixes the radio glitch, your time without signal should go down way under 50%, and battery drain should stop. Hope that helps.
You should recondition your battery:
Fully charge
Reboot into recovery wipe battery information
Reboot into OS
Unplug power cable
Let battery FULLY drain (do not plug in until fully dead)
FULLY charge battery (do not unplug until fully charged)
This reconditioning should be done after every ROM flash.
I am LUCKY to get 8 hours of battery life on my brand new stock Epic.. I usually get 4-6 hours. It will NOT last through a normal day of work without putting it on the charger around lunchtime. I take it off the charger around 6:30 AM and I am usually home by 4PM and have to immediately go and charge my phone.
Even if I put it on airplane mode, kill all running applications, and shut the screen off to standby, the phone still seems to suck battery life down very quickly (~5% in 20 minutes on airplane mode, wtf???).. So airplane mode doesn't help.. And I really DON'T want to put it in airplane mode to conserve battery because then my phone is completely useless -- it won't even ring when my wife calls..
Is my battery defective? Please tell me it is... This can't be right..
Are there processes still running that use lots of CPU, even when the stock sprint "task manager" program shows that nothing is running? Is there anything I can do to improve this if I root the phone? How about custom roms? I would really like to run Froyo/Gingerbread anyway.. If anyone has any suggestions to help to make my battery life not such an EPIC FAIL, I would greatly appreciate it.
EDIT: Also wanted to comment on the SLOW CHARGING. With the stock Samsung wall charger, it takes at least a couple of hours to get a full charge. With a USB cable plugged into a PC overnight, it only gets to about 50%. Compared with my previous phone, the HTC TP2, this is really really REALLY slow. It charged in 30-60 minutes and the battery lasted much longer.
I did notice that Samsung only provides a 0.7 amp charger, versus a 1.0A charger for the TP2. Why does Samsung limit the charge current like this? And apparently there is no nueBattery mod driver for android
UPDATE: JuiceDefender looks very promising. Installed the free version and my battery is only down to 95% after one hour. Thanks for the suggestion.
FWIW, I'm getting about the same 8ish hours on mine running DK28. I'm losing about 4% an hour without touching it. I'm seeing some people claiming insane battery life (18 hours with heavy browsing on wifi) I wish I knew how they were managing that.
Wait, it won't even ring when you're wife calls? and you're complaining?
First, the airplane mode means you switch the phone to airplane mode first then switch it back so you won't have time without signal problem which can cause battery drain.
I am able to get 10+ hrs at least by doing the following
1) use airplane mode trick so no TWS
2) use titanium backup to remove a bunch of stock junk
3) use titanium to freeze certain applications (DRM, MediaHub, Qik etc)
4) Have as few applications as possible that constantly pull data
Just yesterday I had 1 day 17 hours before switching
Yesterday when it finally gave up the ghost with the battery indicator blinking i checked my stats.
I had 1 day, 17 hours unplugged. Screen time was around 2 hours and some minutes. I had 45 minutes of talk time.
One thing i will add is I purchased a charger with two batteries off Ebay. Previously when charging with the stock charger as soon as I pulled it off the charger it would read 97%. With the seperate charger it reads 100% for quite awhile before it starts to drop.
And for the record I purchased this charger and two batteries of Ebay for a winning bid of $0.01, plus $9.95 S&H. It was a steal in my opinion.
Unless you are getting near 12 hours of battery life, one of 3 things is occurring:
1) You are using the phone an insane amount
2) You messed something up
3) The battery is defective
For the record, its almost always number 2.
I suggest doing a Factory reset, which will wipe everything off the phone. Then without installing anything or setting your facebook to update every 15 seconds, see how long the battery life lasts. If it is still only 4-6 hours, then your battery is most likely defective.
well of course it won't ring if your wife calls if its in airplane mode. That radio is turned off.
8 hours? That's it? I wouldn't call that normal, but that's just me...
I just plugged my phone in after 4 1/2 days (108 hours) running on a stock 1500maH battery, running Quantum Rom 1.5 (DK17), no special apps running to disable data (aka Juice Defender, etc.), not in airplane mode at all, with the DRM software running, in other words, a more or less 'Stock' configuration (taking into account any differences in the base Rom).
Granted, I barely used the phone in the last 4 days though
muyoso said:
I suggest doing a Factory reset, which will wipe everything off the phone. Then without installing anything or setting your facebook to update every 15 seconds, see how long the battery life lasts. If it is still only 4-6 hours, then your battery is most likely defective.
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I'll do that. For the record, I've got fbook set to never update, and seesmic once every 6 hrs.
Koadic said:
8 hours? That's it? I wouldn't call that normal, but that's just me...
I just plugged my phone in after 4 1/2 days (108 hours) running on a stock 1500maH battery, running Quantum Rom 1.5 (DK17), no special apps running to disable data (aka Juice Defender, etc.), not in airplane mode at all, with the DRM software running, in other words, a more or less 'Stock' configuration (taking into account any differences in the base Rom).
Granted, I barely used the phone in the last 4 days though
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LOL at screen on for 52 minutes total. That is 11.5 minutes a day.
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LOL at screen on for 52 minutes total. That is 11.5 minutes a day.
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Like I said, barely touched my phone in the last 4 days... been feeling a little under the weather so have been at home a lot and in bed doing all my internet stuff and gaming (pogo) on a laptop instead of on my phone.
Since I updated to the leaked Froyo, my battery life has plummeted. It lasts maybe 1/3-1/2 as long as it used to. Turning off 3G has helped immensely though, so that must be the culprit. I used to be able to leave 3G on while at work and make it to bedtime before having to charge it. Or if I shut it off at night (which I usually do), it would make it through my commute to work the next morning. Now, I'm lucky to get through the work day unless I turn off 3G. Huge difference in battery life for me since updating. I'm hoping they fix this in the official release of Froyo.
Well, I've recently found out that if you flash via update.zip while the USB is plugged in, you'll mess up the battery calibration of your device. This is what I did, and i'm pretty sure the cause of my problems. I did find a fix, and here it is:
siliconaddict said:
This is the procedure that works for me:
The following steps should significantly extend the battery life on your phone:
1. Let the battery drain close to empty (5% or less).
2. Connect the phone to the charger (AC or USB, USB is better) while powered on and allow the phone to charge until the notification LED is green, indicating the device is fully charged and untill the voltage is at least 4187mV. A higher voltage like 4192mV or more is even better. Use a tool like Overcharged or Battery Indicator to monitor this. Note that a green notification LED does not automatically mean that the voltage is good too.
A higher voltage means in practice that it will take longer to discharge, a lower voltage means that the battery will discharge a lot quicker! The difference can be quite significant!
3. Disconnect the phone from the charger and power it off.
4. Reconnect the phone to the charger while powered off and allow the phone to charge until the notification LED is green. The notification LED may turn green immediately. Leave it on the charger for another hour.
5. Disconnect the phone from the charger and power it on.
6. Once the phone is powered on completely (has restarted fully) wait 2 minutes and power it off again.
7. Reconnect the phone to the charger while powered off and allow the phone to charge until the notification LED is green. The notification LED may turn green immediately. Leave it on the charger for another hour.
8. Leave the phone on the charger and reboot into the ClockWorkMod recovery menu and wipe the battery stats via -> Advanced -> Wipe battery stats.
9. Disconnect the phone from the charger, restart the phone and start using it as normal.
From then on always let the battery drain close to empty (5% or less) as often as possible and then charge untill the voltage is at least 4187mV. A higher voltage like 4192mV or more is even better.
Normally you will have to do this only once. However, on all Android ROMs, if you flash a ROM while charging or during the first boot screen on, first boot mucks up the levels Android thinks the phone is at, i.e. Android will think you’re at 100% when maybe you’re only 90% or whatever. So in theory you will need to repeat this every time you flash a ROM while charging!
Better is to make sure the battery is charged before you flash a ROM and just remove the USB/charge cable before you flash a ROM. Put it back in (if you must) after the first boot screen (when the custom screen or whatever shows).
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There is a shorter version that also seems to work well:
vidler said:
So combining the two bits of info we've compiled, the best way to calibrate your battery is as follows
1: Charge phone whilst on till LED is green.
2: Disconnect phone from charger, power it off.
3: Reconnect to charger with phone powered off and allow to charge till LED is green.
4: Disconnect the phone from charger, power it on. Once completely powered on, turn it off again and reconnect to charger until LED is green.
5: Reboot into recovery (back button held at same time as power button) and wipe battery stats.
Battery should now be calibrated.
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From what I've been told, you don't have to wipe the stats (you need root to do that) but it helps if you can.
I think this may also stem from interrupting the inital charge of the device. I know I did this on both my wife's device and mine (plus my added fubar of flashing with the USB in). Anyway, hopefully I can report some good news tomorrow.
If y'all are really interested in reading a 51 page thread on this, go here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=755903
I get 4 or 5 hours if that. I can barely make it to 6. But i probably use my phone more than the average person. Because i take public transportation and browse, stream, email and have 4g connected on my commute back and fourth.
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I get 4 or 5 hours if that. I can barely make it to 6. But i probably use my phone more than the average person. Because i take public transportation and browse, stream, email and have 4g connected on my commute back and fourth.
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I've been running JuiceDefender for about 5 hours now and I am loving it.. I still have 75% and I can still receive calls just fine.. It turns off data when the screen is off, but turns it on at scheduled times (default is 1 min every 15 min) so that your emails/twitters/etc can update like normal. The paid version has even more features so I bought it..
Never mind im dumb for not reading his post. Already answered my question sorry.
sleebus.jones said:
Well, I've recently found out that if you flash via update.zip while the USB is plugged in, you'll mess up the battery calibration of your device. This is what I did, and i'm pretty sure the cause of my problems. I did find a fix, and here it is:
There is a shorter version that also seems to work well:
From what I've been told, you don't have to wipe the stats (you need root to do that) but it helps if you can.
I think this may also stem from interrupting the inital charge of the device. I know I did this on both my wife's device and mine (plus my added fubar of flashing with the USB in). Anyway, hopefully I can report some good news tomorrow.
If y'all are really interested in reading a 51 page thread on this, go here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=755903
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Decided not to quote the whole thing but I'm in the process of doing this right now! Took 2 hours to drain my batt from full (running everything and keeping my phone searching for gps constantly in a place where it would also be searching for signal makes quick work of a battery!).
knyque said:
Wait, it won't even ring when you're wife calls? and you're complaining?
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*golf clap*
diego1985 said:
I definitely need to try that out. Can you still receive calls or no?
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Yes, with juice defender I can receive calls and my gmail/twitter/facebook/etc. are all already up-to-date whenever I pick up my phone. It works exactly as before, except my battery is not constantly being drained now.
I guess the downsides are that I might not get a new email notification for 15 minutes, and that there is a service running in the background that may cause some slowdown. Neither has been a problem for me so far. I highly recommend this application for Epic 4G owners. Problem solved, basically.
I usually get 12hrs with moderate use (~2hrs with screen on, half of that is usually on the browser). I turn background data off bc I don't have a twitter and I rarely check Facebook so when I do I just use the browser.
I also noticed that wifi burns more battery on DK28, on 2.1 I would hardly lose any battery on standby with wifi, now I get a 3-4% drain per hour... But with 3g on now I lose less then 1% an hour, it used to be a battery hog.
So somehow my phone did not like the Froyo update, would not boot after install or even a factory wipe.
So Verizon swapped it for a refurbished one, Ive had it for 5 days.
It had 2.2 installed when I got it. However the phone is almost useless for me now, It wont last a full day with nothing on, no GPS, no WiFi, no mobile data, no apps running, only turning it on once or twice during the day to check things and each time I do the battery draining like crazy!
I used to get 5 days out of my old phone, literally, because I am not a big user. I actually did play with the phone the day after I received it, to personalize it, and I drained 50% of the battery in an hour!
This is the same battery as in my phone, you dont get a new battery with the replacement.
I think its a hardware problem with the phone, but a guy at work says its just the 2.2 update, that it slams the battery.
Im going to take it back to Verizon tomorrow and see what they will do for me. If they wont fix this, I will simply revert back to my old flip phone since it lasts 5 days and cancel my data plan.
Keep on them to get that one replaced. Something in your hardware is definitely borked.
Even running WiFi hotspot, I don't see anywhere near that kind of drain (50%/hour). At the very worst, my idle drain was about 9%/hour.
This is not a good thing.
KneeDragr said:
So somehow my phone did not like the Froyo update, would not boot after install or even a factory wipe.
So Verizon swapped it for a refurbished one, Ive had it for 5 days.
It had 2.2 installed when I got it. However the phone is almost useless for me now, It wont last a full day with nothing on, no GPS, no WiFi, no mobile data, no apps running, only turning it on once or twice during the day to check things and each time I do the battery draining like crazy!
I used to get 5 days out of my old phone, literally, because I am not a big user. I actually did play with the phone the day after I received it, to personalize it, and I drained 50% of the battery in an hour!
This is the same battery as in my phone, you dont get a new battery with the replacement.
I think its a hardware problem with the phone, but a guy at work says its just the 2.2 update, that it slams the battery.
Im going to take it back to Verizon tomorrow and see what they will do for me. If they wont fix this, I will simply revert back to my old flip phone since it lasts 5 days and cancel my data plan.
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You need to make sure your old battery is calibrated to your new phone.
1 - install CWM recovery.
2 - tonight when you go to bed, power off your phone (power off is not screen off). Plug in your charger and charge overnight, USB charging prefered over wall power charging.
3 - in the morning when 100% charged battery is indicated, boot first into CWM recovery and wipe battery stats, after which boot back into Android then you can check for battery longevity again.
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You need to make sure your old battery is calibrated to your new phone.
1 - install CWM recovery.
2 - tonight when you go to bed, power off your phone (power off is not screen off). Plug in your charger and charge overnight, USB charging prefered over wall power charging.
3 - in the morning when 100% charged battery is indicated, boot first into CWM recovery and wipe battery stats, after which boot back into Android then you can check for battery longevity again.
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Wiping battery stats seems to be a placebo effect. For anyone with serious drain (several % per hour), wiping battery stats does nothing. Its a shame so many threads are corrupted with this misunderstanding when there are other very real sources of battery drain on froyo ROMS.
Scrappy1 said:
Wiping battery stats seems to be a placebo effect. For anyone with serious drain (several % per hour), wiping battery stats does nothing. Its a shame so many threads are corrupted with this misunderstanding when there are other very real sources of battery drain on froyo ROMS.
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It's perfectly normal for some people that wiping batterystats.bin did nothing useful, it's also perfectly normal for others to loose 1/3 of battery capacity from being uncalibrated.
It's definitely perfectly normal for some to loose 10% per hour from being uncalibrated.
This kind of variance often confused people.
After doing some experiments, I think its Froyo.
The reason is I turned off mobile data and the battery only drained 2% in 3 hours. Then I recorded some vids of my daughter and played them back with her and over those 3 hours it only dropped 6%. Seems pretty reasonable. I know in my original post I said I had mobile data off, but I realized I actually hadnt, sorry for the confusion.
So I turned on WiFi and GPS overnight and it only dropped 4% overnight.
So something in Froyo is sucking down huge amounts of battery when mobile data is turned on.
Or its still possible its hardware related, that the data radio runs non stop when its turned on, just seems unlikely.
A guy at work suggested turning off data roaming and turning back on mobile data and seeing what it did.
I've had my phone draining at about 10% per hour before, never did figure out what caused the problem. But I flashed back to stock (following the instructions to get ED01 by flashing back to DL09 and then running the update.zips), and that seems to have fixed it. Since 2.2, I've stayed largely stock - stock kernel and just debloated the stock rom. So far, that's what I've found to give the best battery life for me - 48 hours on a charge on average.
Few things to do/keep in mind:
Clearing the battery stats might not solve the problem, but it can't hurt. Charge the phone to 100%, then turn it off but leave it on the charger. Once the powered off battery indicator on the screen shows 100%, boot into CWM and wipe battery stats. Take it off the charger, turn it on and use it normally until the battery gets down to 5% or below. Charge it back up and you're good to go.
Also, give it a few days/battery cycles to come up to full capacity. I seem to notice shorter battery life immediately after a wipe, but after a few days, it's back to the normal 2 days or so between charges.
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After doing some experiments, I think its Froyo.
The reason is I turned off mobile data and the battery only drained 2% in 3 hours. Then I recorded some vids of my daughter and played them back with her and over those 3 hours it only dropped 6%. Seems pretty reasonable.
So I turned on WiFi and GPS overnight and it only dropped 4% overnight.
So something in Froyo is sucking down huge amounts of battery when mobile data is turned on.
Or its still possible its hardware related, that the data radio runs non stop when its turned on, just seems unlikely.
A guy at work suggested turning off data roaming and turning back on mobile data and seeing what it did.
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Definitely seem to be software problem instead of hardware, I suggest leaving everything on -Wifi, GPS, bluetooth, etc... and disable all data sync only one at a time to check for power usage.
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After doing some experiments, I think its Froyo.
The reason is I turned off mobile data and the battery only drained 2% in 3 hours. Then I recorded some vids of my daughter and played them back with her and over those 3 hours it only dropped 6%. Seems pretty reasonable.
So I turned on WiFi and GPS overnight and it only dropped 4% overnight.
So something in Froyo is sucking down huge amounts of battery when mobile data is turned on.
Or its still possible its hardware related, that the data radio runs non stop when its turned on, just seems unlikely.
A guy at work suggested turning off data roaming and turning back on mobile data and seeing what it did.
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Load up Spare parts and see what it says in Battery History. Under 'Other Usage', it should show that running is less than 100% (depending on your usage patterns, this could read anywhere from 10-90%, but it should never show 100%). Do this after having been unplugged for a while.
If running shows 100%, you have a wake lock, which is forcing the phone to be awake 100% of the time, rather than sleeping and using much less power.
You can use dumpsys power from an su terminal or adb to look and see if you have any locks.
If no locks show up, and running still shows 100% (or even if it doesn't) with mobile data on, then there's definitely something wrong with the data radio, and you should have it swapped.
Don't accept any other answer from either phone CSR or in-store rep. No matter how they try and excuse it, constant 10%/hour and up to 50%/hour drain is completely abnormal.
Ok this is what spare parts says
Running 5.2%
Screen On 3.1%
Phone On 0.5%
Wifi On 77.2%
Wifi running 55.6%
Try this, it will tell you what it causing the drain.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13534133&postcount=23
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Ok this is what spare parts says
Running 5.2%
Screen On 3.1%
Phone On 0.5%
Wifi On 77.2%
Wifi running 55.6%
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Is that with Mobile Data on? Are you still seeing 10%+/hour drain with those stats?
If you're seeing that kind of running time (which is good), and you're still getting huge drain (which is bad), then your phone is broken and needs to be replaced.
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So somehow my phone did not like the Froyo update, would not boot after install or even a factory wipe.
So Verizon swapped it for a refurbished one, Ive had it for 5 days.
It had 2.2 installed when I got it. However the phone is almost useless for me now, It wont last a full day with nothing on, no GPS, no WiFi, no mobile data, no apps running, only turning it on once or twice during the day to check things and each time I do the battery draining like crazy!
I used to get 5 days out of my old phone, literally, because I am not a big user. I actually did play with the phone the day after I received it, to personalize it, and I drained 50% of the battery in an hour!
This is the same battery as in my phone, you dont get a new battery with the replacement.
I think its a hardware problem with the phone, but a guy at work says its just the 2.2 update, that it slams the battery.
Im going to take it back to Verizon tomorrow and see what they will do for me. If they wont fix this, I will simply revert back to my old flip phone since it lasts 5 days and cancel my data plan.
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Is that with Mobile Data on? Are you still seeing 10%+/hour drain with those stats?
If you're seeing that kind of running time (which is good), and you're still getting huge drain (which is bad), then your phone is broken and needs to be replaced.
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Thats total since all time.
So I had the phone all weekend with wifi and mobile data on, then one day with wifi off, then one day with wifi on, mobile data off.
But the battery was consumed the most with everything on, but still very high with wifi off and mobile data on.
Unfortunately a refurbished phone must be returned within 14 days if there is a problem with it. The remaining time on the 1 year warranty is voided.
just use stock rom DI01package3.tar.md5 and battery is very good for me
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Thats total since all time.
So I had the phone all weekend with wifi and mobile data on, then one day with wifi off, then one day with wifi on, mobile data off.
But the battery was consumed the most with everything on, but still very high with wifi off and mobile data on.
Unfortunately a refurbished phone must be returned within 14 days if there is a problem with it. The remaining time on the 1 year warranty is voided.
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According to the OP, you've had it for 5 days as of yesterday, which leaves you a full week+ to get it swapped again.
KneeDragr said:
So somehow my phone did not like the Froyo update, would not boot after install or even a factory wipe.
So Verizon swapped it for a refurbished one, Ive had it for 5 days.
It had 2.2 installed when I got it. However the phone is almost useless for me now, It wont last a full day with nothing on, no GPS, no WiFi, no mobile data, no apps running, only turning it on once or twice during the day to check things and each time I do the battery draining like crazy!
I used to get 5 days out of my old phone, literally, because I am not a big user. I actually did play with the phone the day after I received it, to personalize it, and I drained 50% of the battery in an hour!
This is the same battery as in my phone, you dont get a new battery with the replacement.
I think its a hardware problem with the phone, but a guy at work says its just the 2.2 update, that it slams the battery.
Im going to take it back to Verizon tomorrow and see what they will do for me. If they wont fix this, I will simply revert back to my old flip phone since it lasts 5 days and cancel my data plan.
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50% in an hour.. even if u use it the whole time is ridicuoulous.. prob a junk batt.. what are batt temps getting to??
There is a setting in the WiFi area to have the WIFI automatically turn off when the phones screen turns off, you may want to look into it
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just use stock rom DI01package3.tar.md5 and battery is very good for me
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who would actually want to do that.. dude froyo is a million times better.. i get 12-18 hours on heavy use, wifi, data, gps auto rotate all one.. running comm v1.3..
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amazing performance great bat life runz like a dream!!
I just want to report that I've been having similar experiences, and in my case it seems associated with signal strength.
If I'm at home all day (where signal is good, and I'm on wi-fi), my battery life is pretty good. Not as good as it was on 2.1, but acceptable.
But if I'm out driving around, or in a place where the 3G signal is weaker (maybe 2 bars or less, but I haven't really verified that), my phone gets uncomfortably warm in my pocket, and battery usage becomes horrible. I've had the phone drain from full charge to 20% or so in less than two hours.
This problem never happened before I flashed the DL30 Froyo leak. Since then, it has happened on every Froyo ROM I've run, including official ED01 and the community ROM.
I've unlocked and am running Ken's Alien ROM and so far I really like this. Im an international user on orange uk, so I use faux123's kernel for Oc and ram fix. But there is one caveat. I have really rubbish battery life. I did all the stuff (charge to 100% from 0% wipe stats, calibrate). The fact is, I left it on, for ten hours. The display was on for about 2. No usage. When I returned the battery was 30%, with phone idle consuming 30%. Newer radio needed? What can I do? My baseband is N_01.95.00R .
I've heard good things about the newest AT&T radio for battery. How can I flash this to an international ATRIX?
Help appreciated
Edit : phone idle consumed 40% :O
I have the exact same issue. Unfortunately, all that I can say is that changing neither kernel, radio or rom did fix this issue. I had some improvements when I followed this topic and flashed back my stock kernel (with no OC), but still very far from what I would consider a decent battery lifetime (10h with 3g + email and twitter sync and screen off)
Some users have tried and it worked well from them. I'm on the team that didn't work ): But you could give it a shot
Calibrate your battery. Charge to 100% wipe battery stats. Then discharge to shut off. Then charge to 100% again.
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_Dennis_ said:
Calibrate your battery. Charge to 100% wipe battery stats. Then discharge to shut off. Then charge to 100% again.
OP stated he tried calibration without success... I too am having subpar battery performance - interested to see what others have done to achieve better battery performance besides the previously mentioned methods.
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Calibrate your battery. Charge to 100% wipe battery stats. Then discharge to shut off. Then charge to 100% again.
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I've done all that stuff, but it doesn't help IMHO. (at least it didn't do anything for me)
Only 2 real fixes that have worked for me are these:
1. Freeze unnecessarily apps with Titanium Backup (use "System panel" from the Market to find out what keeps constantly running/popping up in the background that you don't need)
AND
2. Turn off Automatic Sync, and get in the habit of doing that stuff manually all at once.
@2. I use to sync in the worst signal areas, and that drained the **** out of my battery. Sync/get your updates manually in strong signal areas whenever possible...
New radio from the fruitcakes thread and the latest faux123 kernel seemed to kill that bug.
I sold my atrix to my less then nerdy friend and I just fixed that bug for him yesterday. Same deal tho...
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I noticed from X2 battery (I think) every minute or two the phone constantly checks for either cell or data signal. I can let my iphone 4 sit on the counter all day and it might use 1-2% but my atrix drops 5% in an hour without touching it. No calibration or battery fix will help. Even CM7 uses it fairly quickly. Im running Alien 4 with max battery saver and gps and auto sync disabled...it should last for a full day with heavy usage.
Alien 4 w/theme, faux123 kernel, everything at stock settings for this rom, nothing frozen, and I am sitting at 1 day and 13 hours with 28% left, mostly idle, but an hour long call and bit of game playing.
If you are getting something on the order of just a few hours then your phone or battery must be bad. I am doing nothing to extend the battery life other then using the default settings.
The phone should get 2 days sitting on the counter..LOL Of all the phones I've had and iPhones I've jailbroken, there is definately something wrong with the Motorola or Android software running on this phone. I've never had to worry about calibrating or battery fixes. This is just my honest opinion. I've had 2 ROMs in all the ones I've flashed that had good battery life and I think it was a coincedence that maybe something didn't load right or got deleted by accident.
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The phone should get 2 days sitting on the counter..LOL Of all the phones I've had and iPhones I've jailbroken, there is definately something wrong with the Motorola or Android software running on this phone. I've never had to worry about calibrating or battery fixes. This is just my honest opinion. I've had 2 ROMs in all the ones I've flashed that had good battery life and I think it was a coincedence that maybe something didn't load right or got deleted by accident.
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Most iphone users need to charge at LEAST once a day. A lot of them charge more than once. I can sometimes get 2 days usage from my Atrix, with heavy texting, some calls, and some games - which is pretty damn good.
Maybe your battery is the issue. not all Atrix are created equal and not all batteries function the same
When you go into settings>running apps, does your free and used ram add up to over 800? Mine used to and now it doesn't. It adds up to like 750....I always thought it would add up to mid to upper 800's. It also could be the battery but I was pointing out that I have left my wife's Iphone 4 and my atrix on the counter all day (neither one got used) and my atrix was down in the 70% range and her phone was at 96%. I'm just thinking something is running or consuming the battery. I've used fastboot to do all wipes and still seem to be having an issue.... I also flash ROMs every few days so maybe the battery calibration doesn't have time to really calibrate. I'll pick a combo I like and keeep it for a few days and see if I notice a better battery life.
How long has it been since you've flashed a ROM? It usually takes a few days for it to settle back in and provide decent battery life (at least from my experience). My phone right now has been on for a little over 7 hours and is at about 55% with Display using up 60% of the battery (3hrs on). This is with the Alien v4 and Faux's latest kernel. The first few days after flashing a ROM my phone would usually only last about 7 hours.
i get 2-3 days on stand by. and about 6-8 hours of straight use. 3-5 if i'm using mobile broadband.
1: keep gps and data off (background data is almost irrelevant.)
2: use green power
3: use a task manager to close applications that you are not using. (be sure you can add "ignore" exceptions otherwise get a different manager. anyone who says not to use a task manager is a ****ing punk hipster ***** fag who's irreparable damage to the geeks good name will not go unpunished)
4: do the "wipe battery stats" bit after every flash (100% charge, wipe stats, full discharge)
5: is to install a custom kernel and use SetCPU to underclock to 312 while the screen is off..
most importantly: use your head. if you stream 1080p using mobile broadband for 2 hours your battery is dead.
I flash ROMs every few days but I call BS on the whole "Battery Calibration" thing. If my battery is showing 4200mv...it's full. It will die faster the more processes the phone does so my point it....whether I flash a rom every day it shouldn't matter, if the phone (After I set up and install whetever apps) gets unplugged, something drains the battery. Maybe the infra red sensor is always on, or a process is always starting and ending, who knows but the battery cannot be calibrated, the phone might need to be calibrated to read the correct voltage but batteries don't hold memory unlike the old NiCD rechargables from years ago.
When you flash a rom the battery stats get messed up. Based on what I know the way the battery drains depends on previous battery usage data hence the reason why it last longer after a few days of use after a rom is flashed. It needs to build up new data to correctly report battery use. Maybe I'm wrong but my experience supports this.
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I am running Alien v4 with the stock kernel and I am getting well over a day with pretty heavy usage (phone calls, texts, emails, FB, twitter, XDA, Games). My setup:
Battery Mode= Maximum Battery Savings
Auto Brightness off, usually on 30%
Unused blur apps frozen
Reinstalled performancemanager.apk (blur task manager), set to kill unnecessary apps after 2 minutes of inactivity
No overclock, I don't see the need to overclock outside of high benchmark scores. Without overclock I still play every game smoothly without any hickups or slow downs. The phone still feels super fast without it.
I turn off all unused services (gps, bluetooth, wifi)
After you charge your phone and take it off the charger, reboot it.
It seems that a process kills the phones battery after you take it off the charger. You have to reboot after taking it off. It works wonders. Currently on 16 hours of use @ 45% battery on alien rom with stock kernel.
Cheers.
lilhaiti said:
I am running Alien v4 with the stock kernel and I am getting well over a day with pretty heavy usage (phone calls, texts, emails, FB, twitter, XDA, Games). My setup:
Battery Mode= Maximum Battery Savings
Auto Brightness off, usually on 30%
Unused blur apps frozen
Reinstalled performancemanager.apk (blur task manager), set to kill unnecessary apps after 2 minutes of inactivity
No overclock, I don't see the need to overclock outside of high benchmark scores. Without overclock I still play every game smoothly without any hickups or slow downs. The phone still feels super fast without it.
I turn off all unused services (gps, bluetooth, wifi)
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I use the same battery settings recently. I turn off GPS and Sync unless I'm using navigation. Which blur apps do you freeze? I just noticed (read on the Alien thread) On the unlock screen, hold the home button and it unlocks. I wonder if something like in pocket detection keeps the IR eye on all the time.
Phoneguy589 said:
I use the same battery settings recently. I turn off GPS and Sync unless I'm using navigation. Which blur apps do you freeze? I just noticed (read on the Alien thread) On the unlock screen, hold the home button and it unlocks. I wonder if something like in pocket detection keeps the IR eye on all the time.
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I have frozen:
All of the authenticators
Weather
Tasks,
Home,(I use launcher pro)
Music (I use Poweramp)
Toggle Widgets,
News,
GingerBlur,
Gallery, (I use QuicPic)