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Android 3.0 (preview) SDK OUT!

http://www.androidcentral.com/android-30-sdk-preview-2d-3d-graphics-and-dual-core-support-honeycomb
Any one insane enough to try a quick and dirty port?

An SDK port of an unreleased tablet-only OS sounds like a major waste of time to me.

StephanV said:
An SDK port of an unreleased tablet-only OS sounds like a major waste of time to me.
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They did it with the SDK of Gingerbread, and this one will earn the devs some serious props (and mentions from virtually every tech site, I presume).
That might just be me, though. I'd certainly like to see it happen, no matter how unstable or unusable it might be.

I think the port would be more a case of. LOOK WHAT I CAN DO, then any thing else.
(Have a peek at www.twitter.com/blackal1ce , I'm posting up screenshots from the REALLY slow SDK)

M-en-M said:
They did it with the SDK of Gingerbread, and this one will earn the devs some serious props (and mentions from virtually every tech site, I presume).
That might just be me, though. I'd certainly like to see it happen, no matter how unstable or unusable it might be.
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They started porting it - as they did with every release before - and got fed up after a while because it's too much effort for something that Google's gonna release a couple of weeks later anyway.
Although the GB SDK port was still majorly flawed, it was at least meant to run on phones with this kind of hardware. Have you seen the previews of Honeycomb? Even if someone did a pretty decent SDK port (which on itself is already quite impossible) it still wouldn't be any good because even our big-ass 4.3" screen is still nothing compared to a tablet. The UI just wouldn't be useable.
And yes I know there's gonna be people willing to give it a shot anyway, and of course that's fine by me, best of luck. Just trying to keep it real here: don't get your hopes up for a somewhat useable port because I don't see that happening before Google decides to put it in AOSP.

StephanV said:
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While I agree you couldn't just compile and run this thing on a HD2, it's not just for tablets. It's optimised to be used on higher resolutions and bigger screens, but will still run fine on phones.
I reckon we'll be seeing ports of this in the near future

No, as of now it really is officially tablet-only, and I'm not talking just about the technical stuff. A tablet OS isn't quite useable on a phone, not because you can't run it, but because it's really hard to use its UI.

I did hear originally that is was tablet only, but I've since heard reports that it's viable for phones as well. You know what t'internet's like. I guess we'll only know when it's actually out proper!

Very good news, waiting to see who's the first want to put their hands dirty

Cyanogen on our Gen8?

I want to start the ball rolling!
Hey,
So now we have a cracked bootloader, so why we aren't port cyanogen to our tabs?
The Nook have Cyanogen, and its architecture is pretty the same as gen8
the only difference i know is that our toucscreens are connected by an USB Controller..
but the cyanogen source is open! so a dev can change it and get it to us
I'm not a developer, but why developers aren't port cyanogen mod
i just don't understand it.
We'll see Gingerbread (2.3.3) on our Tablets
Maybe Sauron could think about Gingerbread/Cyanogen in a Future release of Urukdroid?..
I hope we get, finally , a working port at our tabs ( Luisivan`s HC Port just doesn't worked because the problem with the touchscreen )

Lennb said:
Hey,
I'm not a developer, but why developers aren't port cyanogen mod
i just don't understand it.
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Well, firstly the bootloader hack was only posted 3 days ago. I am no developer either, but I would imagine it takes longer than that to port anything.
Secondly, the developers here on XDA are all people with real lives, doing this stuff in their spare time for their (and our) benefit. They don't get paid for it, and we have no right to expect/demand anything from them.
Thirdly, changing 1 byte in the stock recovery is a far cry from creating a custom recovery, which again takes time, energy and knowledge.
Don't misunderstand, I'm not flaming you here, just saying that a degree of patience might be come in handy right now. These things will come when the devs have the time to look into it.
Until then, just enjoy the huge benefits their hard work has already given us compared to stock.

sorry...
I don't want to insult any devs.., you did a great job
when i did this ↑↑↑↑↑ i am very sorry.
Yeah fisha i know what you mean, but i get angry when i think of the fact, that every damn android device gets an rom/hack/update. Even the oldest android device in the world has an honeycomb rom!
and we - owners of ones of the best android devices - stay at dark!
(okey we have a little bit of light and i thank sauron/artadat/silentrazor so much for that )
This upset me extremly! This is the only problem i had with Archos Products!
I was so happy, when i was heard that Archos Gen8 has an own Xda Forum in January
(Archosfans Forum is horror)
I just want to know that you guys :
Xda developers are the best android developers in the world
But we have to do something about the archos problem...

I do understand, the problem is just that the Archos isn't a very popular device. More people have the Nook etc, so more devs involved. There is some useful stuff on Archosfans, but much less in the way of development, that's true.
To be honest, when I bought my 101 in December, I thought I'd be waiting much longer to get to this stage....it will happen, just give it time. Or, do what I'm doing and start reading up on Android development, get your feet wet with some basic stuff, and who knows, you might be the one that brings us the next big thing!

Yeah i'm lucky about this too
I want it but i'm german i think you've already noticed that^^
And there're dont good german android development stuff
you're american?

I think that a future hypothetic Cyanogen port to archos will leave us without the GREAT archos video player and all the codec stuff they have on CLOSED development... so, we gotta wait and see the performance of our tablet with a "generic" set of codecs, for example...
Anyway... I'm very excited for the latest news of the recovery crack and happy to know that finally we are in position to have a CM port for archos ... with CW Recovery and all the stuff most android devices already have...

Yes,I am also deep wish and appreciated that Devepoler in ARCHOS Gen8 XDA forum could update more custom ROMs in the near future which will make the ARCHOS GEN8 more popular than before.
For example:There are many Dev. updated the custom ROMs of Huawei IDEOS u8150 in XDA forum(refer to : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=970832 ) and users are very happy to upgrade and enjoy the updated custom ROMs everyday!!

I don't know many things about rom cooking, but if someone can teach me how to do i would be happy to do a custom rom for our Archos

lechuckthepirate said:
I think that a future hypothetic Cyanogen port to archos will leave us without the GREAT archos video player and all the codec stuff they have on CLOSED development... so, we gotta wait and see the performance of our tablet with a "generic" set of codecs, for example...
Anyway... I'm very excited for the latest news of the recovery crack and happy to know that finally we are in position to have a CM port for archos ... with CW Recovery and all the stuff most android devices already have...
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Honestly, I have started using VitalPlayer. It plays AC3 and has a better sync between audio and video when using an OC kernel. So if we have to move to another Mod which loses us the stock player, its not that great a loss.

cdelta01 said:
Honestly, I have started using VitalPlayer. It plays AC3 and has a better sync between audio and video when using an OC kernel. So if we have to move to another Mod which loses us the stock player, its not that great a loss.
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YEEES! There are better players for music and videos out in Market ( VitalPlayer,Rockplayer and Player Plus )
I Will "do" an rom on my 101 even if the codecs got lost

Then you haven't tried to play 720p videos.

fzelle said:
Then you haven't tried to play 720p videos.
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Oh i have works perfectly with other players too

720p works on VitalPlayer for sure. I have no issues with that.

I'm looking for CM on our Archos too!!

Did somebody here tried this?
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.p...nMod_for_Sholes#Prepare_the_Build_Environment
It's a tutorial for how to build a CyanogenMod for a device, maybe with some adaptation we could use it to try to port Cyanogen, no?

eagleofdeath13 said:
Did somebody here tried this?
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.p...nMod_for_Sholes#Prepare_the_Build_Environment
It's a tutorial for how to build a CyanogenMod for a device, maybe with some adaptation we could use it to try to port Cyanogen, no?
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I dont know, but probably no
Im not a dev and i dont want to brick my archos^^
but thank you to find this

Maybe one day i'll try this (i really love Cyanogen, so i want it on my Archos ^^)

eagleofdeath13 said:
Maybe one day i'll try this (i really love Cyanogen, so i want it on my Archos ^^)
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Thats good i hope there would be more of you

I'm working on my own os, going to combine CM with the stock os... I'll keep you updated

Thanks you very much, and if you need som beta-tester

ICS or not ICS: that is the question

As in title, can we hope to see Ice Cream Sandwitch on our Tattoo sooner or later (maybe through CyanogenMod)? The Android team said that EVERY phone that had Gingerbread can have ICS: it's the same for the Tattoo or it's not doable due to the limited hardware (I also mean screen size)?

Ieracos said:
As in title, can we hope to see Ice Cream Sandwitch on our Tattoo sooner or later (maybe through CyanogenMod)? The Android team said that EVERY phone that had Gingerbread can have ICS: it's the same for the Tattoo or it's not doable due to the limited hardware (I also mean screen size)?
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i really hope we can see this happen
but for now i think it's to early to say. high end phones have no info yet, so we gotta be very patient ICS source is not out yet...
so for now, we are happy that we have 2.3.7 which isn't on many high end devices
this is a nice read
http://www.androidcentral.com/ice-cream-sandwich-what-happens-next

We have to wait until Google releases the source-code. After that, we can see if our device will be able to run ICS

I have actually given up the hope to upgrade my tattoo further than 2.3.7, because I don't feel that my phone can use the new features in 4.0 so what's the point ^^ GPU Accelerated UI and better dual core support isn't very much for the tattoo. The ride with my tattoo has however been really nice, and it was a really good way to get introduced to android Galaxy Nexus here I come?

windmark said:
I have actually given up the hope to upgrade my tattoo further than 2.3.7, because I don't feel that my phone can use the new features in 4.0 so what's the point ^^ GPU Accelerated UI and better dual core support isn't very much for the tattoo. The ride with my tattoo has however been really nice, and it was a really good way to get introduced to android Galaxy Nexus here I come?
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It's sad to say this, but I think you're right :')
Consider that the Nexus S is now almost the price I payed my tattoo 2 years ago: maybe it's time to switch in the near future...
In the meanwhile... ICS IS OUT IN THE WILD RIGHT NOW, GUYS!! So, let's see if there's some more juice to squeeze out from our little tattoo!

Ieracos said:
It's sad to say this, but I think you're right :')
Consider that the Nexus S is now almost the price I payed my tattoo 2 years ago: maybe it's time to switch in the near future...
In the meanwhile... ICS IS OUT IN THE WILD RIGHT NOW, GUYS!! So, let's see if there's some more juice to squeeze out from our little tattoo!
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i think there will be ICS to our tattoo!
let's just sit here and wait for something

ICS running on G1, there's still hope for Tattoo...

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ICS running on G1, there's still hope for Tattoo...
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Great news!
lets keep waiting

The alpha build look slow on the G1. Hopefully some tweaking could cause performance improvements.
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Hi Guys,
What do you think about this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1511495
Looks like there's a chance to get ICS in our Tattoos

I have checked it yesterday.
stelios97 has ported it to both X10 mini and wildfire,
so there is very good chance that we can have ics miui for tattoo.
But then I wonder, is there any dev still holding a Tattoo to help us.

Would be really nice to have MIUI on our tattoo.
It would even be better than having ICS!

.dot said:
Would be really nice to have MIUI on our tattoo.
It would even be better than having ICS!
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The other day I read that 2.3.7 source for MIUI was released
http://shrewdgeek.com/2012/02/04/xiaomi-makes-miui-gingerbread-2-3-7-open-source/
all we need is to get it compiled for ARM v6

Where are the developers for tattoo roms?
Arco? Kalimocho? rallapag? you've also done some ports, didn't you?
can someone port MIUI to our tattoo?
i don't know much about android rom development, but i think it wouldn't be much more work to port this miui rom than port some sense roms. a wildfire version is already available.
Its more some driver related things, i think
can someone try it please?

Hi .dot
You know, I am not a dev.
What ever I do, I am afraid it will be incomplete like my sense 2.3 rom port.
We need a real dev, unfortunately Arif-ali as well gave up working on Tattoo yesterday has indefinitely stopped android development.

ics
i really hope that there will be a new rom.cause i´m a little bored with my tattoo and the nfinity-rom. i hope that the dev will start to work on it..it would be fantastic!PLEASE

There you go guys,
A test version of CM9 is here for Tattoo
Checkout following post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=23161100&postcount=42

rallapag said:
There you go guys,
A test version of CM9 is here for Tattoo
Checkout following post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=23161100&postcount=42
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I could help to port MiuiV4 as i did on my u8150 as well and other upcoming
And regarding the post u linked..i looked into it and found that the touchscreen are not working as is still a pointer...i doesn't have the phone but this thread may help you in fixing it... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1328515

Zackconsole said:
I could help to port MiuiV4 as i did on my u8150 as well and other upcoming
And regarding the post u linked..i looked into it and found that the touchscreen are not working as is still a pointer...i doesn't have the phone but this thread may help you in fixing it... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1328515
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Maybe you should check this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1530370

aiwenor said:
Maybe you should check this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1530370
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Zackconsole is the dev, who is helping me fix most of the issues with my CM9 port
and we are working together on CM9 port and also on MIUI project.

[Q] Honeycomb on KF? Vs ICS

Ahoy mateys. I've been a longtime Android user (October 2009) and have never been much for running the stock OS on my devices.
Currently I've been running CM7 and loving it on the KF. Been keeping tabs on the ICS port over, just waiting for the sound issues to be hammered out as I use the device mostly for watching videos via RockPlayer.
Lately I've been thinking about trying to port over Honeycomb to the KF, as it might be simpler given that it's been around longer. I know that it's somewhat futile given the state of the 3.0 kernel being needed for HW acceleration. But it seems like it could be worthwhile just to test it and see what might happen. Give it more tablety goodness if anything!
I'm a programmer by trade and am majoring in CS. Not much dev experience on Android aside from writing games. But I've built Gentoo for my machines, so I've got some kernel knowledge. What do you guys think?
Regards,
-Free
P.S. I don't have 10 posts so this is in General.

freeqaz said:
Ahoy mateys. I've been a longtime Android user (October 2009) and have never been much for running the stock OS on my devices.
Currently I've been running CM7 and loving it on the KF. Been keeping tabs on the ICS port over, just waiting for the sound issues to be hammered out as I use the device mostly for watching videos via RockPlayer.
Lately I've been thinking about trying to port over Honeycomb to the KF, as it might be simpler given that it's been around longer. I know that it's somewhat futile given the state of the 3.0 kernel being needed for HW acceleration. But it seems like it could be worthwhile just to test it and see what might happen. Give it more tablety goodness if anything!
I'm a programmer by trade and am majoring in CS. Not much dev experience on Android aside from writing games. But I've built Gentoo for my machines, so I've got some kernel knowledge. What do you guys think?
Regards,
-Free
P.S. I don't have 10 posts so this is in General.
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Personally, I think it's a good idea, and that you should do it. You'll probably get a lot of people saying there's no point cause ICS is what honeycomb should've been. I've never used honeycomb before, so I don't know how different it is from ICS but I'm sure there are some.
I think you should do it to give this device and its users another ROM choice, with a different android version. Or even just for the fact that you might want to use it, do it for yourself and post it here just to see if people want it. I'd try it out, even if ICS is out and stable haha
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Personally, I think it's a good idea, .... I've never used honeycomb before...
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Huh?
Why would you encourage someone to work on something when you yourself don't know what the differences are between them??
ICS is Honeycomb just taking to what was its planned completion. With many Honeycomb devices moving to ICS I don't see the point.
That would be doing a lot of work, just to end up with an in between OS with all the new support going to ICS which is what everyone that can get it wants.
Also, for someone with no Android programming experience, you most likely would be a lot better of working with apps before tackling a whole OS.

krelvinaz said:
Huh?
Why would you encourage someone to work on something when you yourself don't know what the differences are between them??
ICS is Honeycomb just taking to what was its planned completion. With many Honeycomb devices moving to ICS I don't see the point.
That would be doing a lot of work, just to end up with an in between OS with all the new support going to ICS which is what everyone that can get it wants.
Also, for someone with no Android programming experience, you most likely would be a lot better of working with apps before tackling a whole OS.
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I'd like to check it out. It's not like I'm telling him that he needs to do this, he asked what people thought of the idea because he was interested in doing it, and I voiced my opinion.
Though I do agree that it might be easier to work with apps and then maybe work on a ROM, but hey, if he's willing to attempt it and learn how everything works, why stop him? The more devs, the merrier lol

Isn't the problem with porting honeycomb is that it was never truly open source?

My understanding is there was never a source release for honeycomb
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[email protected] said:
Isn't the problem with porting honeycomb is that it was never truly open source?
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Yea, that is, AFAIK, why there was never a CM8. I don't think it would be worth OP's time to try to reverse-engineer a Honeycomb tablet and shoehorning it into the KF.
However, the OP might want to donate some of their time to the ICS port
It is open source after all...

[email protected] said:
Isn't the problem with porting honeycomb is that it was never truly open source?
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I believe Google released the source for Honeycomb when they released the source for ICS
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Hit up this Google announcement, they did indeed release the source.
This release includes the full history of the Android source code
tree, which naturally includes all the source code for the Honeycomb
releases. However, since Honeycomb was a little incomplete, we want
everyone to focus on Ice Cream Sandwich. So, we haven't created any
tags that correspond to the Honeycomb releases (even though the
changes are present in the history.)
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groups.google dot com/forum/#!topic/android-building/T4XZJCZnqF8
The only thing that I really want to know is if there is a significant driver difference between ICS and Honeycomb. If there is, then there is a reason to try to port 3.0 over because it would have more driver support. There are 3.0 devices out in the wild. If there isn't a driver difference between 3.0 and 4.0, then it's futile and all efforts should be spent on 4.0.

theholyfork said:
I believe Google released the source for Honeycomb when they released the source for ICS
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Indeed.
And when they released the source for ICS, they elaborated on why they included Honeycomb in the Source tree: To essentially display the hacks they were forced to use to push Honeycomb to market. Honeycomb was never AOSP'd because it wasn't reliable for wider use.
Based upon the fact that Google was basically too ashamed to release Honeycomb to AOSP, I don't think it would make much sense to target a broken platform (Honeycomb).
IMO, if you're going to spend time trying to work on getting a more tablet-oriented version of Android running, it's probably going to be *easier* to work with ICS than Honeycomb. Moreover your contributions could assist the greater KF community in getting a stable base of ICS for all.

ICS leak usefulness

I've got a question I tried to answer myself, but I couldn't resist to post it on the forum.
Is the ICS leak a great step forward for all Atrix users ?
For those who wanted HWA, fingerprint scanner, working camera, of course it is... But is it a step forward for the release of a STABLE CM10 with a STABLE kernel ? This question is more open to a debate than a simple answer.
This leak didn't provide any option for those who have the wrong tegrapart (Mine is OK), or a lapdock, or those who use Chrome and want a generally reliable ROM (Stability, I/O perfs, battery life). They have to make a compromise but we still didn't reach THE ROM(s) that makes everybody happy.
The missing thing to get the ROM(s) that will make us all happy is the kernel source... Why didn't we get it with the ICS leak ? Well let's exclude this question from this thread and maybe talk about it after this debate is (almost) closed.
Personally I'm happy to have this new ROM, it's fast, smooth etc. but my lapdock is still borked so I'm really frustrated not to have this awesome tablet display that works with EVERYTHING but not MOTOROLA's own peripheral... Damn it !
So, what's your case ? Of course you may have found satisfaction with the ICS leak, but are you as frustrated as I am to be this close to the ultimate goal ?
The debate is open, I hope I broke the ice for some people who are in my case and feel like forgotten.

I think that leak does not come with the source code. Thus there will not be any practical improvement right now.

Or, most likely ever. I doubt things will go much farther, and I'm usually the optimistic one

no chance
nope, i think the ics leak was just a one off leak from what motorola actually got round to doing before they abandoned the project, which personally is really bad the roms are just crappy (no offence to developers but the lack of resources means they will always be crappy), everyone says the roms are good but every ics rom iv used is awful, overheating, bugs, battery life sucks, cameras lag, and doesnt compare to a stable cm7 which works completely fine and does everything ics can do anyway.. hmm... i guess everyone just keeps giving themselves false hope, although the possibility of a stable ics is much more than the chance of jellybean & as for the cm10/jellybean thing dont get your hopes up the signs of HWA are non existent and i really dont think they ever will be unless somebody makes a kernel from scratch which for a mobile device would take endless hours of work and testing each boot would probably get your through about 50 atrix phones from hard bricks etc... and i dont think our developers have the time or money to do so... even with donations.
its just not worth it, the atrix is a dying breed if you dont like cm7 then buy a new phone, its that simple, confuses me why everyone acts like cm7 is some sort of bugged crappy software that doesnt work? yet its still a very stable software.
i think everyone should stop concentrating on ICS and jellybean until we actually hear news that will be helpful to creating a stable build and in the mean time focus on improving cm7 with mods and other things, right now cm7 is basically abandoned and the thing its been abandoned for has been on hold for around 3 months.

Pixelguy said:
nope, i think the ics leak was just a one off leak from what motorola actually got round to doing before they abandoned the project, which personally is really bad the roms are just crappy (no offence to developers but the lack of resources means they will always be crappy), everyone says the roms are good but every ics rom iv used is awful, overheating, bugs, battery life sucks, cameras lag, and doesnt compare to a stable cm7 which works completely fine and does everything ics can do anyway.. hmm... i guess everyone just keeps giving themselves false hope, although the possibility of a stable ics is much more than the chance of jellybean & as for the cm10/jellybean thing dont get your hopes up the signs of HWA are non existent and i really dont think they ever will be unless somebody makes a kernel from scratch which for a mobile device would take endless hours of work and testing each boot would probably get your through about 50 atrix phones from hard bricks etc... and i dont think our developers have the time or money to do so... even with donations.
its just not worth it, the atrix is a dying breed if you dont like cm7 then buy a new phone, its that simple, confuses me why everyone acts like cm7 is some sort of bugged crappy software that doesnt work? yet its still a very stable software.
i think everyone should stop concentrating on ICS and jellybean until we actually hear news that will be helpful to creating a stable build and in the mean time focus on improving cm7 with mods and other things, right now cm7 is basically abandoned and the thing its been abandoned for has been on hold for around 3 months.
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Its not that simple. Once you've had a taste of Android 4.X, its nearly impossible to go back. I'm stuck on Epinter's CM10 because of that, every time I try switching back to a CM7 based rom I find it randomly jittery and with a lot of small annoyances. Both of which I never noticed before trying Joker's CM9.
Even when I switched from CM7 to CM9, I remember CM7 was more or less perfect in its current state. Work stopped on it because there's not much else that can be done with it. Its hit its peak, and for those not spoiled by the more polished versions of Android it is indeed the ideal rom for our device. That does not mean work should stop on ICS/JB, though. The big issue we have is the kernel, of which there are several projects in the works to port kernels from other devices. Its something that'll take (a lot of) time, but long term it'll be much better for our devices than making barely noticeable changes to Gingerbread roms.
With that said, you are right in that the ICS leak is more or less useless without source code. Crappy battery and display issues on some variants of Atrix completely ruin it.

Having the kernel source would solve many issues, but after Motorola abandoned the device it's very unlikely they'll commit any more resources into releasing the half working source code. Of course we'd like to see the source released as it existed under development, but from what I understand, the the source that gets released isn't always exactly the same as what they work with when they compile it and things like extremely helpful comments in the code get removed because of things like NDA's. And although many of the libs and drivers can be extracted from the ROM, the code to use them has been lost.
As it stands, the Atrix Rebirth Project is probably the best chance for seeing a fully functional kernel source for ICS and beyond. But as has been pointed out already, interest in the device has been dying, and even if the project does manage to make it happen, it's not going to happen overnight.

Jotokun said:
Its not that simple. Once you've had a taste of Android 4.X, its nearly impossible to go back. I'm stuck on Epinter's CM10 because of that, every time I try switching back to a CM7 based rom I find it randomly jittery and with a lot of small annoyances. Both of which I never noticed before trying Joker's CM9.
Even when I switched from CM7 to CM9, I remember CM7 was more or less perfect in its current state. Work stopped on it because there's not much else that can be done with it. Its hit its peak, and for those not spoiled by the more polished versions of Android it is indeed the ideal rom for our device. That does not mean work should stop on ICS/JB, though. The big issue we have is the kernel, of which there are several projects in the works to port kernels from other devices. Its something that'll take (a lot of) time, but long term it'll be much better for our devices than making barely noticeable changes to Gingerbread roms.
With that said, you are right in that the ICS leak is more or less useless without source code. Crappy battery and display issues on some variants of Atrix completely ruin it.
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hmm i used pinters cm10 for a week and went back to MROM cm7 and customised it to my liking with ICS themes and text changers, looks just like ICS runs just as smooth as a buggy JB rom, thats the problem the performance of CM10 roms without HWA is about the same as a good CM7 rom... just with a few features like google now which nobody really uses anyway, although i understand where your coming from when it comes too the UI and animations on JB roms they are very nice but id rather sacrafice them and have a phone that will work 100%

I'm very naive to the inner workings of android
I also returned to mrom from epinters cm 10 and icsrom because of lack of camcorder or terrible battery life.
Now with mrom I have a very smooth launcher and all apps working. I do miss jellybeans nice interface, but what are the more fundamental improvements that gingerbread lacks? Besides feeling outdated and old of course :/
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Zero usefulness. Novelty item at best.

It's interesting to read opinion of no-developers is it something useful or not. Only developers could say something about it. Also most of you are so pessimistic, complaining that developing is dying.
xda-developers is for site and forum for developers. If you think that developing is dying, come on, do something about. Join Atrix Rebirth Project, start to learn how to develop kernel and rom. There is a lot of guides here and on Internet. Instead of spending time on forum and waiting that someone else do it for you and for free. If you don't have time to learn, contribute on another way: support developers, donate money or device, try to find solution, use your contacts to get leaked sources...
The easiest way is to buy a new device and start complain after a while

I have been very pleased with the stock GB rom. I have a Nexus 7 and an old HTC Aria, both running the latest version of JB and, other than a more up-to-date appearance, there's really nothing I can't do on the Atrix that I can do on the JB devices.
Its amazing what the developers have been able to do with the HTC Aria. It has very little memory, but they have created virtually unlimited program memory by using an extended partition on the SD card. The Aria also runs JB almost flawlessly.
If JB could run on the Atrix 4G the way it runs on my Aria, I would use it. But from what I've read, it has a long way to go. I am not even sure I would even be able to root my Atrix, which has the latest GB update from Motorola.
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I've got a question I tried to answer myself, but I couldn't resist to post it on the forum.
Is the ICS leak a great step forward for all Atrix users ?
For those who wanted HWA, fingerprint scanner, working camera, of course it is... But is it a step forward for the release of a STABLE CM10 with a STABLE kernel ? This question is more open to a debate than a simple answer.
This leak didn't provide any option for those who have the wrong tegrapart (Mine is OK), or a lapdock, or those who use Chrome and want a generally reliable ROM (Stability, I/O perfs, battery life). They have to make a compromise but we still didn't reach THE ROM(s) that makes everybody happy.
The missing thing to get the ROM(s) that will make us all happy is the kernel source... Why didn't we get it with the ICS leak ? Well let's exclude this question from this thread and maybe talk about it after this debate is (almost) closed.
Personally I'm happy to have this new ROM, it's fast, smooth etc. but my lapdock is still borked so I'm really frustrated not to have this awesome tablet display that works with EVERYTHING but not MOTOROLA's own peripheral... Damn it !
So, what's your case ? Of course you may have found satisfaction with the ICS leak, but are you as frustrated as I am to be this close to the ultimate goal ?
The debate is open, I hope I broke the ice for some people who are in my case and feel like forgotten.
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Yeah right ! talking about this leak ... is a >small< step foward !
Just imagine Michael Montuori out of here, Or the Bill ?! epinter !? Faux, or jocker that has made a wonderfull job and the other in the early days of the atrix .... all source code builder out of this atrix family at once !
Well ... Motorola doesnt have a great support for the moment ! as their Blur OS is ****ty slow ! :S
I own a Car dock, A HD Multimedia Dock and a great lapdock !
I approve that this is still frustrating (and i know the devs out there are NOT getting Paid enough for a better work than MOTOROLA itself,) that motorola own product doesnt have support yet ! but still have on a direct DHMI cable straight to the tv !! WTF ?!?!!
Well, its not going to change anything here, i mean this thread ... but .. well .. you know ! YEAH its awkward and " fais chier bordel" hahaha
Our devs are GREAT but unfortunately, we still need that damn MOTO support for their drivers source for the new OS :S
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Well, its not going to change anything here, i mean this thread ... but .. well .. you know ! YEAH its awkward and " fais chier bordel" hahaha
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I would even say "Bordel à couilles de constructeur de mes deux !". I'm writing this using my lapock... On my tiny screen, with my main screen at 45° so I can still read what I'm writing. I dreamt about WT3.0 with working LAPDOCK, it would have been so gorgeous, but it's currently not happening. "Nique cette merde !", I'm buying a Windows Phone next year when the ecosystem gets more apps and stuff. The news are getting warmer for this OS ! The amazing keyboard made in WP7/8 will replace my lapdock I use as a keyboard.

Development IS actually dying, look at the Atrix 4G development section where there used to be several ROMs under active development there are now just a few. Nearly everything that can be done has been done with the exception of what the Atrix rebirth project is doing. But there is no guarantee of success. If you have the money or a device to donate to the rebirth project, great, by all means go for it. Maybe one of the other tegra based moto devices might help a bit too. Unfortanately I think it's pretty hard to hold any level of optimism for the device after such a long string of let downs.
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I see the ICS leak as interesting but not overly useful.
Now, if they'd also leaked the source code, I don't doubt that the devs could have created a fully-features and stable ICS/JB within a couple of months. However, with no source for such a buggy leak, we're reliant on a few people trying to create a kernel almost from scratch. I wish them well, but I'm not holding my breath...

When you feel like the development is hopeless , waste all of your time and try fixing things yourself get a new phone.

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When you feel like the development is hopeless , waste all of your time and try fixing things yourself get a new phone.
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Like you? And you think that you're smart. That's exactly what vendors wish, get a new device. Bravo
Edit: With your latest posts in Atrix forum you're the same as maggedo or member with Atrix in name. Ups, you have Motorola
How long N4 will be the best device for you? What I see not so long

I think it's interesting how people work:
First everyone was crying about the fact, that Motorola left us out in the cold and now that we have a actually really good leak, people cry that it's not good enough... That's just sad. The leak is useful and it's a big step into the right direction. A lot of people put in hours of work for you (and for FREE!!!), to make this leak better. All you need is PATIENCE. Be grateful that some devs stick to this EOL-device and provide great work for us.
-Just my 2 cents-
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BravoMotorola said:
When you feel like the development is hopeless , waste all of your time and try fixing things yourself get a new phone.
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And... What about people who can't get a new device ? I bought mine like 6 months ago, it was for my birthday and I can't waste money on a newer phone like this.

But there must be some kind of "break-even" ahead.
How many hours of work and energy may be put from the most "valuable brains" into the leak (without having sourcecode), until they must decide: "enough is enough, it just will never turn out as "stable"?
From what I've understood there exists some good chances that maybe some day valuable parts of the XOOM kernel get migrated to the Atrix (see respective thread under development area).
May the last remaining devs of a dying device - whose work I greatly respect and appreciate! - join forces and turn more efforts into porting the xoom?