Hi folks,
Is there any posibility of a lagfree playing of those videos ?
It sucks watching Videos with less than 20fps...
3.1 is supposed to improve playback... just no idea if it will improve 720/1080p playback
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I use Handbrake and imported these setting I found on the net.
https://sites.google.com/site/theiveryinc/a500files
That Google site is mine.
Converts all my 720p.mkv files perfectly, the only issue is the files are big, 2-4 GB, but the quality is outstanding. They even play on 'Movies' which darkens the navigation bar.
i was looking for something like this so many times before, but I never found a stable movie app. On my Samsung Galaxy S II however, it's no problem at all. And that's a freaking phone man! But it's no wonder the hole system is so fast. It makes my newly aquired Iconia looking really sluggish and outdated :-( I don't know if I gonna keep this tablet or gonna look my movies on a 4.3" screen...
I asked Acer customer support whether they're ever going to support additional formats and they replied that they won't ever add support for MKV and can't comment on the rest. So official support for MKV is out the window.
Mkv isn't a video format, it's a container. It's just that most mkv's don't contain only baseline h.264, which is the only supported video format currently. The most benefit would come from adding support for main or high profile h.264
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Mkv isn't a video format, it's a container.
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I know, it still doesn't help at all if the video player application or framework don't support the container format. I personally love MKV, it's handy to slap in two different audio tracks and subtitles in English, Finnish and the hearing-impaired version, plus any metadata about the movie itself. No need to hassle with several files then.
The most benefit would come from adding support for main or high profile h.264
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Indeed. I tried transcoding a 1080p movie to 720p in constant quality mode, both in baseline and high profile modes, and while the quality was the same the high profile one used a lot less storage space. With storage space being rather scarse on mobile devices....
Well, we can only hope. But I don't know if the DSP is beefy enough to decode high profile or if it can be re-programmed to support it. Some DSPs are hardcoded and can't be used for anything other than what they already do when shipped. I don't know anything about Tegra 2 internals so I don't know what to expect.
godashram said:
3.1 is supposed to improve playback... just no idea if it will improve 720/1080p playback
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I use 3.1 atm, but there is no mentionable ddifference to 3.0.1
The nVIDIA Tegra 2 250 is fully able to hardware decode:
H.264
VC-1 AP
MPEG2
MPEG-4
DivX 4/5
XviD HT
H.263
Theora
VP8
WMV
Sorenson Spark
Real Video
VP6
and encode:
H.264
MPEG4
H.263
VP8
And this is for 1080p both enc/dec
Why ACER can't (won't) support them is beyond me! Even my Single Core 7" Samsung Galaxy TAB can play all 1080p videos I have thrown at it!
And here is the full spec of the Tegra 2 250 Link!
Is it maybe because of that, that I play these videos from my USB-HDD?
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Is it maybe because of that, that I play these videos from my USB-HDD?
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You can always copy one of them to the TAB and see if there is any change ( I doubt it)
Using a OLD 60gb usb hdd (literally 8 years old)
And it does not seem to matter - even with the low speed of an old external drive I have no issues playing video from it.
.Mkv -- Regardless of where it is stored is not going to work on the Iconia right now - i don't think there is anything anyone can do or change to fix that right now - the system will not?/can not? use the hardware decoder on mkv files - and software decoding, even for a low bit rate video file is always going to suck.
Hopefully 3.1 will improve our video performance - but I find it a very simple matter to just transcode a video file if the only source I have handy is mkv. Plenty of great and free tools that make the process pretty darn easy. I watch a lot of movies/TV on my a500 - and get a great experience as long as I don't throw .mkv files at it.
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Indeed. I tried transcoding a 1080p movie to 720p in constant quality mode, both in baseline and high profile modes, and while the quality was the same the high profile one used a lot less storage space. With storage space being rather scarse on mobile devices....
Well, we can only hope. But I don't know if the DSP is beefy enough to decode high profile or if it can be re-programmed to support it. Some DSPs are hardcoded and can't be used for anything other than what they already do when shipped. I don't know anything about Tegra 2 internals so I don't know what to expect.
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My understanding is tegra2 will support h.264 high profile up to 720p @ 20mbps, but only baseline profile for 1080p.
With regard to the container format vs video format thing, I'm under the impression that container format support can be added by an app - so even if Acer never support mkv in the default player, if they do add hardware high profile h.264, then other apps should be able to play an mkv that contains high profile h.264 with hardware acceleration.
entropy.of.avarice said:
Hopefully 3.1 will improve our video performance - but I find it a very simple matter to just transcode a video file if the only source I have handy is mkv. Plenty of great and free tools that make the process pretty darn easy. I watch a lot of movies/TV on my a500 - and get a great experience as long as I don't throw .mkv files at it.
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From playing around with PRIMEE, mkv containers are split appropriately and if the video format is supported hardware decoding works. The problem is that there is no support for AC3 therefore majority of compatible MKVs will play very well but have no sound.
Unfortunately once software encoding is enabled we are back to the same stuttery playback issues.
I personally don't believe it's Acers' job to add playback compatibility, I personally believe it should be built into Honeycomb as a baseline. Honeycomb is a tablet OS and as such should be expected to play popular video and audio. codecs. Saying that, if manufacturers did add additional codec support it would be a solid competitive edge.
Use mobo player.
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Use mobo player.
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Have you read any of the thread, running moboplayer doesn't help, as I mentioned above as soon as you enable software decoding HD MKVs start to get choppy.
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From playing around with PRIMEE, mkv containers are split appropriately and if the video format is supported hardware decoding works. The problem is that there is no support for AC3 therefore majority of compatible MKVs will play very well but have no sound.
Unfortunately once software encoding is enabled we are back to the same stuttery playback issues.
I personally don't believe it's Acers' job to add playback compatibility, I personally believe it should be built into Honeycomb as a baseline. Honeycomb is a tablet OS and as such should be expected to play popular video and audio. codecs. Saying that, if manufacturers did add additional codec support it would be a solid competitive edge.
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Ah, that's good to know, so with a baseline h.264 payload an MKV will play fine on stock?
I think it probably IS Acer's job to add codec support, frankly. At the end of the day we're talking about hardware acceleration, and Android provides the software framework for that to work, and it's up to the hardware vendor to make it work with their specific hardware.
Frankly I think Nvidia should be doing it though - it'd do wonders for Tegra 2 sales if they offered up code to support hardware acceleration for their platform on Android.
I guess you didn't really do your research on video playback on Honeycomb tablets, did you?
You can not blame Acer for poor HD playback when, frankly, this is a Google/nVidia issue. Currently no 10" Honeycomb tablet can playback high profile encoded HD vides--smoothly, if at all--without reconverting said movies.
There may or may not be a *real* fix in the future (quad core Tegras are right around the corner, so...), only time will tell.
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The nVIDIA Tegra 2 250 is fully able to hardware decode:
H.264
VC-1 AP
MPEG2
MPEG-4
DivX 4/5
XviD HT
H.263
Theora
VP8
WMV
Sorenson Spark
Real Video
VP6
and encode:
H.264
MPEG4
H.263
VP8
And this is for 1080p both enc/dec
Why ACER can't (won't) support them is beyond me! Even my Single Core 7" Samsung Galaxy TAB can play all 1080p videos I have thrown at it!
And here is the full spec of the Tegra 2 250 Link!
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I guess you didn't really do your research on video playback on Honeycomb tablets, did you?
You can not blame Acer for poor HD playback when, frankly, this is a Google/nVidia issue. Currently no 10" Honeycomb tablet can playback high profile encoded HD vides--smoothly, if at all--without reconverting said movies.
There may or may not be a *real* fix in the future (quad core Tegras are right around the corner, so...), only time will tell.
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I bought an ACER device so I'll blame them! Problem here is that the Tegra 2 chip is capable to decode and encode the formats at 1080p without problems! The fact that Google still hasn't taken advantage of this feature doesn't mean that ACER couldn't!! To back my words here is an example:
Samsung! The Galaxy S and Galaxy TAB (7") they have much superior video codec support! I'm playing 1080p movies just perfectly on the Galaxy TAB. Samsung have invested in codec support and optimized it for the platform (both Hardware and Software) The Hummingbird CPU is Single Core! So why can't ACER do it? Maybe because they never did something like this before? Maybe because the have done only the hardware till now and they don't have the programmers that can pull this of? Ones the managers at ACER understand that selling thees devices without enhancing the base that Google provides won't cut it, I think we will have a very good device (not that it isn't good now but...)
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I bought an ACER device so I'll blame them!
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Guess you'll have to "blame" every single manufacturer out there who have a Honeycomb tablet out too, then.
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So does the Samsung 10.1 play 1080p videos smoothly?
From what I've been reading.. no. Frankly, watching a 1080p on a 10" tablet is pointless (which is what I'm assuming you're crying about). If 720p isn't "good enough" on a 10" tablet, well, then, time to buy a 17" laptop.
i think i'm going to pick up a kindle fire tomorrow and root it....right now i'm using RockPlayer to play AVIs on my i777 GS2..can the same thing be done with the kindle fire?
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i think i'm going to pick up a kindle fire tomorrow and root it....right now i'm using RockPlayer to play AVIs on my i777 GS2..can the same thing be done with the kindle fire?
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yes - does fine - i use mx video player from the market
awesome thanks! i'm also wondering what ROM people are into with this device..the MIUI.us is what i was thinking
MoboPlayer has the ability to do software decoding of avi files.
works for divx/xvid and some others
until we get hardware video acceleration working on kindle, software decoding is about the only option.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.clov4r.android.nil
+1 for mobo player with software encoding enabled for all videos. I have yet to find a video I can play on my Pc it cant handle. It will even play x264 mkv videos. So, to confirm your original question, positively yes. I hate converting videos.
I bought me a Lenovo Tablet yesterday and wanted to try out to play HD Videos on it.
Sadly my videos are lagging and the audio is async... I tried it with MX Player and Mobo Player, both installed the ARMv7 Codec. What i'm curious about is, that the Tegra v2 Chip should to decoding of 1080p h.264 Material in Hardware (my video was h.264 720p in a MKV Container) and both players showed me that they decode the video in software...
Is there any player that can play my mkv videos without lagging around? Or do i just need to adjust something?
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I bought me a Lenovo Tablet yesterday and wanted to try out to play HD Videos on it.
Sadly my videos are lagging and the audio is async... I tried it with MX Player and Mobo Player, both installed the ARMv7 Codec. What i'm curious about is, that the Tegra v2 Chip should to decoding of 1080p h.264 Material in Hardware (my video was h.264 720p in a MKV Container) and both players showed me that they decode the video in software...
Is there any player that can play my mkv videos without lagging around? Or do i just need to adjust something?
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Try different players but it's def not capable of 1080 and even has issues with 720p main and high profile
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mhh but the nvidia site says something different...
so the chip itself should take care of that... maybe its just a firmware issue?
The screen is 1200x800 so there's really no way to play 1080p on it. Even 720p is going to be cropped. The only way to do 1080p is over HDMI without mirroring but apparently that isn't very smooth so 720p seems like a much better option.
Tried a reboot and/or turning Wifi off/on again? It's worked for me.
Basically the chip can do it. The Tegra 2 has some special HW IP inside that will do the decoding. Most of the Tegra 2 tables are unable to use it because the vendors are not supplying the codecs and filters that make use of the HW block. So you are somehow limited to the codecs and resolutions that are choosen by the manufacturer/Nvidia. You can't change anything and as far as I know Nvidia also isn't distributing this part open.
I'm also quiet disappointed seeing that chinese pads with Telechips MCU (ARM11 single-core) can playback almost everything up to full-HD and the Thinkpad Tablet can't.
Dice Player.
It is the ONLY working HW accelerated player in my experience....
mkv files, everything plays well on it....
There is a similar named thread a few threads down, but that one was asking about formats.
I'm asking if anyone has a guesstimate as to the tablet's ability to software decode 1080p 10bit (obviously for anime).
Most people encode bluray videos in 8bit for those who aren't aware.
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There is a similar named thread a few threads down, but that one was asking about formats.
I'm asking if anyone has a guesstimate as to the tablet's ability to software decode 1080p 10bit (obviously for anime).
Most people encode bluray videos in 8bit for those who aren't aware.
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I want to know if it can play a 4k video seamlessly (hardware decoded of course).
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There is a similar named thread a few threads down, but that one was asking about formats.
I'm asking if anyone has a guesstimate as to the tablet's ability to software decode 1080p 10bit (obviously for anime).
Most people encode bluray videos in 8bit for those who aren't aware.
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It's wouldn't count on amazing software decode performance at 1080. If you've got a hardware decodable format, you should be fine.
As for the one above me, I think 4k hardware should manage ok, but we'll have to wait and see.
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It's wouldn't count on amazing software decode performance at 1080. If you've got a hardware decodable format, you should be fine.
As for the one above me, I think 4k hardware should manage ok, but we'll have to wait and see.
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Well, at the moment, the 10bit format can't be properly hardware accelerated. It has to be done via software decoding, but after googling around, I think the Nexus 10 should be able to do 720p 10bit.
I was also wondering about 4k playback. I would very much like to play super high resolution video on this thing with good performance. Hopefully the ARM Cortex A15 cores are up to the task.
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According to this the Fire 8 HD Plus (2020) has the Mali-G52 MC1 GPU:
https://www.gsmarena.com/amazon_fire_hd_8_plus_(2020)-10246.php
From what I can tell this GPU should support hardware 10bit HEVC decoding but MX Player Pro and XPlayer both force themselves to software (choppy) when playing those files. Non 10bit HEVC seem to work fine.
Am I missing something, shouldn't this work?
Edit: This also indicates it should support Main10 1080p Level 4.1 @ 30 fps (which are my test files): https://developer.amazon.com/docs/fire-tablets/ft-device-specifications-firehd-models.html
Edit 2: These are test videos you can try, I can't get any of the Main10 videos to play hardware accelerated (all the non Main10 HEVC files do play hardware accelerated):
http://jell.yfish.us/
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According to this the Fire 8 HD Plus (2020) has the Mali-G52 MC1 GPU:
https://www.gsmarena.com/amazon_fire_hd_8_plus_(2020)-10246.php
From what I can tell this GPU should support hardware 10bit HEVC decoding but MX Player Pro and XPlayer both force themselves to software (choppy) when playing those files. Non 10bit HEVC seem to work fine.
Am I missing something, shouldn't this work?
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You can check the codecs using AIDA64 to support 10bit HEVC or not.
Get AIDA64 from Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.finalwire.aida64
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You can check the codecs using AIDA64 to support 10bit HEVC or not.
Get AIDA64 from Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.finalwire.aida64
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Doesn't help, I doubled checked of course it lists HEVC, which I already verified, but that doesn't tell me if it supports 10bit HEVC. I mean obviously it doesn't since the players are forced in software mode I'm just asking why that is if the GPU seems capable.
Edit: I also checked AIDA64 on my phone which does play 10bit HEVC hardware accelerated and in the codecs list it just lists HEVC just like the 2020 Fire 8, there's no separate codec entry for 10bit HEVC in the AIDA64 list.