I'm thinking of buying a Note either from Craigslist, or importing one here to the US. I know that once I install a custom ROM I've broken my warranty, so I want to know if my device is 100% perfect as soon as I get it.
So basically, I want to hear a list of what problems I might have (manufacturer defects), so I can check my device immediately.
So far, I've seen:
-pinkish shots taken with the camera
-dead pixels
-broken gyroscope
Most people have little to no issues. Theres only very few users posting about issues on xda right now. Dont look at the post count because those are note users who are defending there product. Ive seen no more then 5 users per thread thats having the same issue. It goes back to original sgs, most issue you dont notice in normal usage.
As far as custom roms go, you can always return the phone to stock before sending in for warranty issues.
Yumunum said:
I'm thinking of buying a Note either from Craigslist, or importing one here to the US. I know that once I install a custom ROM I've broken my warranty, so I want to know if my device is 100% perfect as soon as I get it.
So basically, I want to hear a list of what problems I might have (manufacturer defects), so I can check my device immediately.
So far, I've seen:
-pinkish shots taken with the camera
-dead pixels
-broken gyroscope
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I've bought 3 galaxy notes in total and 1 of them when charging the screen becomes unresponsive. Everything else works fine.
Yumunum said:
I'm thinking of buying a Note either from Craigslist, or importing one here to the US. I know that once I install a custom ROM I've broken my warranty, so I want to know if my device is 100% perfect as soon as I get it.
So basically, I want to hear a list of what problems I might have (manufacturer defects), so I can check my device immediately.
So far, I've seen:
-pinkish shots taken with the camera
-dead pixels
-broken gyroscope
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Those problems occur to maybe 1 out of every 10,000 Notes. I have 0 problems with mine as do the other 9,999 people out of 10,000.
Keep in mind that 1,000,000+ people have purchased a Note. 100 people out of 1,000,000 having dead pixels isnt that bad.
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Yea I have had 0 issues with mine. I do have a tough time putting it down but that is a good thing
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xAnimal5 said:
Those problems occur to maybe 1 out of every 10,000 Notes. I have 0 problems with mine as do the other 9,999 people out of 10,000.
Keep in mind that 1,000,000+ people have purchased a Note. 100 people out of 1,000,000 having dead pixels isnt that bad.
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over exaggerated...because I got 2 out of 2 defected screen.....
It's a great phone...bu i'm losing a bit of confidence in the screen quality....
Doesnt matter where you bought it from, Samsung will only honor the warranty if you live in a country they sell the phone.. So they wont honor it in the US... So either way you have no warranty in the United States
xAnimal5 said:
Those problems occur to maybe 1 out of every 10,000 Notes. I have 0 problems with mine as do the other 9,999 people out of 10,000.
Keep in mind that 1,000,000+ people have purchased a Note. 100 people out of 1,000,000 having dead pixels isnt that bad.
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Do you have actual data tables to prove your claims?
Its always natural for people with perfectly working devices to make up a statistical number out of thin air, an extremely common thing in forums now and especially on the Galaxy S2 section.
Having a fail rate of 10,000 out of 1Million is still pretty acceptable in today's (low) standards.
Yumunum said:
I'm thinking of buying a Note either from Craigslist, or importing one here to the US. I know that once I install a custom ROM I've broken my warranty, so I want to know if my device is 100% perfect as soon as I get it.
So basically, I want to hear a list of what problems I might have (manufacturer defects), so I can check my device immediately.
So far, I've seen:
-pinkish shots taken with the camera
-dead pixels
-broken gyroscope
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You also have to put into consideration that XDA does not represent even the smallest fraction for the Galaxy Note user base.
Not everyone has the same expectation for a $700 device, not everyone uses the phone in the very same way.
Im not saying that you should or should not buy the G-Note but weigh in the risks of getting an imported unit vs waiting for local stocks. Even if its just 1 in 100 the chances of you getting 2~5 defective units in a row could be pretty high. I believed what the XDA people posted on the S2 forums before that a crappy screen is just like 1 in 7million, who would have thought I got a total of 7 in a row.
Heres is the list of issues that I've read on XDA alone:
1.) Unresponsive touch buttons after a call
2.) S-Pen issues - accuracy issue, detection issue
3.) Camera Pink spot
4.) Dead pixels - extremely minor
5.) Screen lag that relates to the proximity sensor (I dont even know if thats a legit issue or just nitpicking.)
6.) Broken Gyro/Accelerometer ( I think only 2 guys posted about this so far? )
7.) A Plethora of screen related issue may it be software or hardware ( Green hue when viewing in an angle, blotches on the screen, terrible gamma levels, reddish bleeding on the sides of the screen, horizontal lines, color banding, OLED burn out, image retention, yellowish/bluewish whites, solid color streak lines after a few days of use )
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over exaggerated...because I got 2 out of 2 defected screen.....
It's a great phone...bu i'm losing a bit of confidence in the screen quality....
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While my issue is not as worse as others but the horizontal lines is an eyesore, kinda loses the point of having an HD screen to begin with. I guess the Galaxy S2 experience didnt teach me enough but the G-Note surely did. I dont hate the phone, Im just a little disappointed that I didnt get lucky with the screen lottery. I mean people say the problem is an extreme minority.. after checking 2 other phones they have the same issue to a different extent/degree.
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Do you have actual data tables to prove your claims?
Its always natural for people with perfectly working devices to make up a statistical number out of thin air, an extremely common thing in forums now and especially on the Galaxy S2 section.
Having a fail rate of 10,000 out of 1Million is still pretty acceptable in today's (low) standards.
You also have to put into consideration that XDA does not represent even the smallest fraction for the Galaxy Note user base.
Not everyone has the same expectation for a $700 device, not everyone uses the phone in the very same way.
Im not saying that you should or should not buy the G-Note but weigh in the risks of getting an imported unit vs waiting for local stocks. Even if its just 1 in 100 the chances of you getting 2~5 defective units in a row could be pretty high. I believed what the XDA people posted on the S2 forums before that a crappy screen is just like 1 in 7million, who would have thought I got a total of 7 in a row.
Heres is the list of issues that I've read on XDA alone:
1.) Unresponsive touch buttons after a call
2.) S-Pen issues - accuracy issue, detection issue
3.) Camera Pink spot
4.) Dead pixels - extremely minor
5.) Screen lag that relates to the proximity sensor (I dont even know if thats a legit issue or just nitpicking.)
6.) Broken Gyro/Accelerometer ( I think only 2 guys posted about this so far? )
7.) A Plethora of screen related issue may it be software or hardware ( Green hue when viewing in an angle, blotches on the screen, terrible gamma levels, reddish bleeding on the sides of the screen, horizontal lines, color banding, OLED burn out, image retention, yellowish/bluewish whites, solid color streak lines after a few days of use )
While my issue is not as worse as others but the horizontal lines is an eyesore, kinda loses the point of having an HD screen to begin with. I guess the Galaxy S2 experience didnt teach me enough but the G-Note surely did. I dont hate the phone, Im just a little disappointed that I didnt get lucky with the screen lottery. I mean people say the problem is an extreme minority.. after checking 2 other phones they have the same issue to a different extent/degree.
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1.) Hardware, manufacturing issues broken buttons
2.) Hardware, manufacturing issues sucked pen sensor, display issues
3.) people issues they forgot to remove plastic protection
4.) Hardware, manufacturing issues
5.) people issue some people will always have something to argue, complain.
6.) Hardware, manufacturing issues
7.) Hardware, manufacturing issues plus people who see what they want to see or heard/read about the pentile "problem" from the old generation of lcd displays
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Braxos said:
3.) people issues they forgot to remove plastic protection
7.) Hardware, manufacturing issues plus people who see what they want to see or heard/read about the pentile "problem" from the old generation of lcd displays
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3.) Nope, I think you dont understand this issue. Its believed to be caused by software, you think the millions of IP4,HTC and other users forgot to remove the plastic protector on their camera. The G-Note doesnt even have one.
7.) It has nothing to do with pentile, the S1 was pentile it had the best screen even compared to the Gnote or S2.
EarlZ said:
Do you have actual data tables to prove your claims?
Its always natural for people with perfectly working devices to make up a statistical number out of thin air, an extremely common thing in forums now and especially on the Galaxy S2 section.
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True, but consider the following statement:
Do you have actual data tables to prove your claims?
Its always natural for people with faulty
devices to make up a statistical number out of thin air, an extremely common thing in forums now and especially on the Galaxy S2 section.
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This is also true!
People with flawed devices tend to be over-represented on sites such as this one, because if they are XDA members, they will tend to post about it, and if not, they may get pointed in the direction of XDA when they google their issues.
Even if you start a poll with two options, "My device is perfect", and "My device is flawed", people with flawed devices are far more likely to submit a poll vote than those whose are not.
Whilst I agree that quality control could be better, we have to accept that more quality control basically means higher cost and it is always a case of increasing cost for diminishing returns, since there will always be some lemons that slip through the net.
Thinking about it, perhaps there is a spot in the market for a company that charges a premium to unbox and pre-vet devices for users, and who also deals with all returns and warranty issues. Now there's a thought.... I could be up for a spot on Dragons Den
Regards,
Dave
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Hey, i have a samsung galaxy s2 and just like some of you i had been struggling to get a proper phone with no overheating and the weird blue tint on the screen when you view the screen from different angles, i have noticed very few galaxy s2 without this blue shifting problem when viewed the screen from another side and i can explain why at 5):
1) Ive swapped my phone 2 times now, the first, the second, the third and the manager phone all reproduce this issue, the screen looks just fine when viewed straigth but if you try to view it from another angle the screen will turn a bit to blue, it is most noticeable in white backgrounds.
Since i have tested 4 random phones with exactly the same problem i can confirm this "feature" as normal.
2) All of my three phones have blurring issues when in motion, you can clearly see it when the text is white and the background is black, altough this blurring is very small compared to the top of the line LCD screens its still there on all 3 phones so i can confirm this as normal.
3) The 2 phones i had all had random overheating issues, this must have something to do with either a design flaw or lack of quality in programming the OS for the phone, this is also normal for your phone to happen as it happened in the last 3 of mines, the only way ive found to avoid this issue is simply exit all applications, clear memory ram and then start the app, this semms to prevent my phone to reaching insane levels of heat.
Heres a list of apps some people and i reported to overheat the phone:
Gun Bros - Checked
Pocket Legends - Unchecked
4) The speaker quality of the phone is at best, average, when the volume is set to max, some sounds like "pure tone" will distort just a bit, its very dissapointing in a phone this expensive, but then again samsung cannot be compared to sony in that area, i can also confirm this as normal.
5) The phones ive seen which did not have the blue tint issues when the phone is viewed from other angles had another problem when compared to the ones that actually did: The phone that did have blue tint issues, when viewed directly has very good Whites while the phone which does not have the blue tint issues when viewed from another angles even when looked at it directly it already has a shade of blue, so that might explain why this problem wasnt detected in that phone.
6) When you view in a browser some images, you will notice that on your left corner of the screen there is a white pixel, dont worry, it is not a dead pixel, to confirm this all u need to do is to view the picture horizontaly, notice how the white pixel changed sides with the top left corner?
According to BarriH_GEG, It's there to keep a service alive in support of hardware acceleration in the stock browser. They chose white because the majority of web pages are white or lighter colors
7) Poor wifi conectivity while holding the back of the phone with both hands, it happened in all 3 of my phones aswell, this is also probably normal.
8) The screen displays a slight shift of color at the left side of the screen, its very hard to notice but its there, people refer to it as "yellow tint", for more information please visit this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1079444
Thanks to: Sp1tfire for letting me know about this issue, i cannot confirm if this issue is normal or not for all phones as ive only done this test on my third phone (which also semms to slightly change hue a bit in that thread OP website, its almost unoticeable but its there).
9) When viewing white objects with the camera on low to medium light condition there is a pink circle noticed in the middle of the picture, i havent tested this with all 3 phones but from i can tell in this thread it happens on all of them:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1079444
Thanks to: Sp1tfire for pointing this issue also.
10) A bit less significant but still noteworthy: if you change your brightness setting in a dark room or area from auto to manual and put it at max, exit the brightness setting and try to put it back to automatic, you will notice that its stuck at max even though it should drop it alot, to fix this all you need to do is to flash a light source at the upper front side of your phone and then take it away, it will now work again.
Notes: If the phone is viewed directly and has a blue tint on it, it is broken, if it displays of red tint or yellow tint its also broken and you should trade it if it bothers you, make sure to scan for dead pixels by using full screen images of blues, reds, greens, black and white. If the image is pure to those colors and theres 1 or more pixel displaying something differently that means the phone has dead pixels and should be also swapped.
Hope this helps some people to not waste their time like i did, i feel a bit disapointed because my first phone apparently had nothing wrong with it, so at least i can help you not to make the same mistakes as i did.
After swapping my phone 2 times and finding these issues, i would surelly want to trade it for an alternative! but unfortunatelly reality came to me everytime the shop manager asked: "Do you want the same model or a different one?" Then it made me think, what model? Sure Xperia Arc and Play are cool phones, but they dont come even close to the performance of this phone and honestly none other dual core phones have OLED screen and even compared to those this phone is alot better in performance, so i came to realise there was really no choice, if i wanted the best in performance and the best in image quality then this phone was, is and will be the answear for time to come.
These issues do not bother me very much as my third phone is still a galaxy s2 but every person is different, if it bothers you that much then in the end you can always think of the future and what phones it reserves, if you want the best in performance and image quality right now then this phones is the answear.
Best Regards!
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Hey, i have a samsung galaxy s2 and just like you i had been struggling to get a proper phone with no overheating and the weird blue tint on the screen when you view the screen from different angles, i have noticed very few galaxy s2 without this blue shifting problem when viewed the screen from another side and i can explain why after this:
1) Ive swapped my phone 2 times now, the first, the second, the third and the manager phone all reproduce this issue, the screen looks just fine when viewed straigth but if you try to view it from another angle the screen will turn a bit to blue, it is most noticeable in white backgrounds.
Not my phone .
2) All of my three phones have blurring issues when in motion, you can clearly see it when the text is white and the background is black, altough this blurring is very small compared to the top of the line LCD screens its still there on all 3 phones so i can confirm this as normal.
not my phone
3) The 2 phones i had all had random overheating issues, this must have something to do with either a design flaw or lack of quality in programming the OS for the phone, this is also normal for your phone to happen as it happened in the last 2 of mines, i will check if it happens in the third too and will post back results in this thread.
Overheating NO but does get warm at times .
4) The speaker quality of the phone is at best, average, when the volume is set to max, some sounds like "pure tone" will distort just a bit, its very dissapointing in a phone this expensive, but then again samsung cannot be compared to sony in that area, i can also confirm this as normal.
Excellent headphone sound as good as i need/want .
But its user choice i have problems phone goes back to seller .
Somebody points out i have a problem that i cannot see but i have this problem as they say then unless i see it it is not a problem .
jje
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JJEgan said:
Not my phone .
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+1
I think people have much different expectations.
JJEgan said:
TheWarKeeper said:
Hey, i have a samsung galaxy s2 and just like you i had been struggling to get a proper phone with no overheating and the weird blue tint on the screen when you view the screen from different angles, i have noticed very few galaxy s2 without this blue shifting problem when viewed the screen from another side and i can explain why after this:
1) Ive swapped my phone 2 times now, the first, the second, the third and the manager phone all reproduce this issue, the screen looks just fine when viewed straigth but if you try to view it from another angle the screen will turn a bit to blue, it is most noticeable in white backgrounds.
Not my phone .
2) All of my three phones have blurring issues when in motion, you can clearly see it when the text is white and the background is black, altough this blurring is very small compared to the top of the line LCD screens its still there on all 3 phones so i can confirm this as normal.
not my phone
3) The 2 phones i had all had random overheating issues, this must have something to do with either a design flaw or lack of quality in programming the OS for the phone, this is also normal for your phone to happen as it happened in the last 2 of mines, i will check if it happens in the third too and will post back results in this thread.
Overheating NO but does get warm at times .
4) The speaker quality of the phone is at best, average, when the volume is set to max, some sounds like "pure tone" will distort just a bit, its very dissapointing in a phone this expensive, but then again samsung cannot be compared to sony in that area, i can also confirm this as normal.
Excellent headphone sound as good as i need/want .
But its user choice i have problems phone goes back to seller .
Somebody points out i have a problem that i cannot see but i have this problem as they say then unless i see it it is not a problem .
jje
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lol not your phone because u dont bother or dont know how to look for those problems, there are people in this forum who reported these issues, the point of this thread is to tell them the experience i had myself with it and to help them conclude that unfortunatelly it is normal .
Your phone will have that problem aswell since its how the phone is made, the only way for you to not overheat is to not use the apps i and some other ppl are using, and the only way for you to not have the blue tint when looking at different angles is your phone already having a slightly blueish white, independently of any angle viewed.
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Yes oh wise one i shall indeed pay lip service to your well informed ramblings and bow down before you the fount of all knowledge .
What time is the next meeting of the flat earth society pray do tell .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA
jje
Rofl, not another yellow-tint type thread
Well the guy has done some serious research on 4 phones out of the 5 million or is it 55 million sold .
He sees a problem on four so by definition you have been told YOU and the millions of others have a problem don't argue its a scientific test .
jje
Why couldn't this be added to the many other threads. Please stop speaking for every sgs2.
1- only time I can see any kind of blue tint is if my eye is literally at the charging port. Non issue here.
2- wtf are you talking about. No lag/blur whatsoever here. Only time I see anything considered lag is on the lockscreen but that's the CPU.
3-my phone gets warm when playing intensive games(samurai 2-ps1 emu) after playing a long time. I've had phone since release day and never have gotten uncomfortable hot. I also ran my cpu at 1.7 for 2 weeks using tegrak. Running at 1.5 with cognition rom now with no overheating.
4- I run a grooming salon with mostly dogs, cats and some birds. I listen to my 30gb of music from 9-6ish. I can clearly hear music from speaker over barking dogs all day. Volume at 30% with stock headphones. And this is over music/advertisement playing from loudspeaker. I do use dsl manager to add more base and also poweramp.
5. See number 1
6. Can't see a white pixel left right up or down the screen. What I thought was a dead pixel the first day of ownership quickly disappeared. I have no issues besides the useragent desktop default.
Please stop speaking for everyone. I think there's roughly 3+ million sgs2 sold, we would see more people having your issues.
Remember specially with forums people(noobs/trolls) with complaints typically post more in general section than user without. If you actually read thru threads there's not that many users having the issue.
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Rofl, not another yellow-tint type thread
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Was it the "many other people" reference that tipped you off
This is a silly post. Please speak for yourself. No problems other than the phone getting hot sometimes which is expected. Go get an iphone
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This is a silly post. Please speak for yourself. No problems other than the phone getting hot sometimes which is expected. Go get an iphone
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That's harsh. There's a vocal minority that gets revved up about certain issues. It's real to them and I think they feel it is or should be to everyone else too. The ironic thing is when you look at the other dual-core phones the SGS2 has 1/10 the issues. Perfect's a great ideal but doesn't exist. It's always funny when people pick one feature from another phone and bash the SGS2 because it's not as good. Life doesn't work that way. If your Nokia camera's so great, swell. Than stick with a single core Symbian phone. Unless a do-it-yourself hardware kit is released that allows you to use a Nokia camera, SE display, Nexus Wi-Fi, and someone else's GPS you take the good with the bad. For the vast majority the SGS2's good way outweighs the bad and judge the phone on the sum of its parts. Different strokes for different folks.
no clue what you guys are trying to proove except that youre oblivious to these problems... its how the phone is made, theres no such thing as oh they probably made a worse manufacturing process on ur phone screen, you just cant notice it because u dont know how to look for it...
PS for anyone who says they cant see any blurr in motion, if u cant see it on a 2msgtg lcd screen then you will surely not know how to look for it in this oled phone as its alot less noticeable.
Ive never said yellow tint phones were normal, i said that blue tint when changing angle of view is.
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Unless a do-it-yourself hardware kit is released that allows you to use a Nokia camera, SE display, Nexus Wi-Fi, and someone else's GPS you take the good with the bad. For the vast majority the SGS2's good way outweighs the bad and judge the phone on the sum of its parts. Different strokes for different folks.
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Actually, i thought of starting a thread named something like "The perfect phone" where you add different parts/hardware/software from different phones and build your ideal phone. Obviously, i won't, although would be fun to see people's opinions about the perfect screen, perfect camera, etc.
P.S. Thank God i have a poor eyesight and i'm such an ignorant, this way i can consider my phone to be very close to perfection
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This is a silly post. Please speak for yourself. No problems other than the phone getting hot sometimes which is expected. Go get an iphone
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So you're saying that if someone wants a phone without any issues, they should "go get an iphone"?
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So you're saying that if someone wants a phone without any issues, they should "go get an iphone"?
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rofl im amazed at how many trolls are in this forum, but i guess i should be used to amateurs talking trash... eh? forgot to mention another issue as normal, will update thread soon
EDIT: first post updated, im considering adding gun bros and pocket legends to overheating list, what do you guys think?
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rofl im amazed at how many trolls are in this forum, but i guess i should be used to amateurs talking trash... eh? forgot to mention another issue as normal, will update thread soon
EDIT: first post updated, im considering adding gun bros and pocket legends to overheating list, what do you guys think?
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May i add another issue to your list ? Out of the 3 million units sold, some have psychotic owners. Fortunately, problem is not that widespread as the yellow-tint issue.
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May i add another issue to your list ? Out of the 3 million units, sold some have psychotic owners. Fortunately, problem is not that widespread as the yellow-tint issue.
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I cant see how that is an issue with the phone though
OP thanks for the post - very good & informative, at least for new SGS2 owners or potential SGS2 owners.
Too bad that some people here act so pathetic and start bashing.
I can confirm the "issues" on mine.
DSF said:
OP thanks for the post - very good & informative, at least for new SGS2 owners or potential SGS2 owners.
Too bad that some people here act so pathetic and start bashing.
I can confirm the "issues" on mine.
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thanks, glad youve found it usefull, that was the whole point of the thread, to make people rest knowning that these are not faults experienced only by them, it happens on all phones, even though someone mentioned there are 5 million of those phones sold, seeying 4 random samsung galaxy s2 phones with the exact same list of "issues" is more than just a "coincidence" as a user pointed out.
Ive also specified why some very rare phones have no blue tint visible.
PS: Even though i see an updated version of gun bros today i can still sense it heating up a bit, im not letting this one reaching the point of overheating but if anyone is interested in knowing where it overheats, it happens mostly on the upper side of the phone leaving the down side only a bit warm, to avoid this overheating what i do is go to applications and exit all of them, go to ram manager and clearing it up, this prevents my phone from overheating in that game to insane levels.
added gun bros, pocket legends, wifi conectivity issue and light sensing to the list.
Anyone else notice lighter blobs on their screen when a black app is loaded?
Try the night clock and tell me if you see any.
I use my phone as a clock at night and I just got this today and wow is it noticeable.
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Anyone else notice lighter blobs on their screen when a black app is loaded?
Try the night clock and tell me if you see any.
I use my phone as a click at night and I just got this today and wow is it noticeable.
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I also had that issue on my first unit, I had it replaced.
A quite bellow summarizes all the screen issues on the S2.
BarryH_GEG said:
There's really two separate issues that sometimes overlap:
1) The left side banding which appears along with a yellow tint either under certain conditions or, to some, in everyday use. This would seem to be a design issue as, to date, it shows up on every single phone produced.
2) Screen QC issues which include: 1) suction cup circles from production, 2) fingerprints on the inside of the display, 3) dead pixels, 4) vertical or horizontal lines, 5) ghosting, 6) white or black blotches, and 7) wide swings in color temperature.
There's no doubt the QC issues are probably vexing to Samsung. Based on the sheer quantity of displays they need to produce to satisfy demand they're either intentionally allowing displays to go out that shouldn't or are finding out from customers that bad displays got passed QC. Considering the large number of phones sold it's hard to guess the bad:good ratio but it would appear its larger than appropriate. And it doesn't appear to be getting better as newer builds seem to have the same issues as early builds. So banding may be forever but swapping phones may definitely help with the other issues.
I do think that adding the QC issues on top of the banding issue does compound it on some phones. That could certainly explain why some of us are happy and others aren't. There's still a lot of subjectivity at play so it will always be hard to say if what's acceptable to some is unacceptable to others. But with all the phones sold, you'd still think if more than a few percent had serious screen issues there would be a bigger audience for this thread and the issue(s) would have become more prominent on its own. I'd like to think things will get better but production demands may continue to allow QC issues to occur at higher than normal rates. Something that's frustrating for everyone - including Samsung.
Someone said something about the technology being flawed. Here's two links to stories where Apple was/is trying to get SAMOLED for their products. To me, it just helps reinforce that the benefits (color, contrast, viewing angles) still outweigh the downsides (screen life, burn in, inconsistency). And I'm sure Apple's engineers fully reviewed both the upside and downside before considering SAMOLED so it's still kind of a vote of confidence in the technology.
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/05/2...y-for-iphone-hd-4g-due-to-supply-constraints/
http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/05/26/we.rebuff.rumor.of.amoled.ipad.3.in.2011/
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Thanks!
I'll have to get back there to have it replaced.
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I've had it replaced 3 times now, I'm on my 4th unit. I can exchange one more time before I have to send it out for repairs.
I'll wait for them to get a new shipment in with different serial numbers (all the ones i've had start with the same 4 digits) and hope i get clean ones.
I called Samsung and the rep i spoke to told me that they have not heard of this issue.
Well they have 3 units in their back room with this issue so they will see it.
I think I will have to take a long-exposure photo to show them what the issue is.
Fingers crossed the next shipment is clear.
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I've had it replaced 3 times now, I'm on my 4th unit. I can exchange one more time before I have to send it out for repairs.
I'll wait for them to get a new shipment in with different serial numbers (all the ones i've had start with the same 4 digits) and hope i get clean ones.
I called Samsung and the rep i spoke to told me that they have not heard of this issue.
Well they have 3 units in their back room with this issue so they will see it.
I think I will have to take a long-exposure photo to show them what the issue is.
Fingers crossed the next shipment is clear.
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I've seen this isseu quite often when I had my phone exchanged mainly for a different screen defect, just be warned though since you had so many exchanges some people here might not actually believe that you went through 4 phones because 6Million phones sold and all that jazz.
Good idea that you decided to wait for another shipping, maybe you can even get a refund and just buy from another store that has good stocks?
I don't care what other believe or not. If they want to see my receipt plus the 2 exchange receipts I have here in this bag beside me I'll send them a picture.
Regardless, I must be one of the few people who have this screen problem AND use the phone as a night clock.
I am posting this for information to anyone who also has experienced or may wonder if their phone also has this issue.
If you dont have it, GREAT! I wish I had your phone.
(ps, this isnt a rant, just want this to be over)
I have zero issues with my screen; no ghosting, yellow/pink tint, light bolbs etc.
but no one believes me
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I don't care what other believe or not. If they want to see my receipt plus the 2 exchange receipts I have here in this bag beside me I'll send them a picture.
Regardless, I must be one of the few people who have this screen problem AND use the phone as a night clock.
I am posting this for information to anyone who also has experienced or may wonder if their phone also has this issue.
If you dont have it, GREAT! I wish I had your phone.
(ps, this isnt a rant, just want this to be over)
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Someone else in Canada (Toronto) went through five phones because of tinting issues with the display. He too exchanged them back-to-back from the same store. If you've been going to the same store, and there was a run of bad displays, all the phones built in sequence could be effected. Can't you go to a different store and exchange it there?
Have the same problem, its like blobs/smudges that are lighter black/greyish. Not an even black color.
Its best noticeable in a dark room without any other light, not even the light of the touch buttons or top bar active (so your eyes are adjusted to seeing in the dark). Using this image I can see it clearly. Auto adjust screen power doesn't influence it.
I think we all may have blobs to varying degrees. The other day I looked at my screen in bright sunlight with polarized sunglasses on. It made the screen look black but you could clearly see random beige blotches all over it. In normal use I think my screen is as close to perfect as there is and when looking at a black background in the dark I don't see blobs or blotches. The "O" in AMOLED stands for organic which means alive. Maybe what we're seeing is a by product of the technology.
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Have the same problem, its like blobs/smudges that are lighter black/greyish. Not an even black color.
Its best noticeable in a dark room without any other light, not even the light of the touch buttons or top bar active (so your eyes are adjusted to seeing in the dark). Using this image I can see it clearly. Auto adjust screen power doesn't influence it.
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You got it too!
Well, i'm glad I'm not alone sorry that you have it too.
Hopefully I will get a call from the store when the new shipment comes in and the issue will go away.
I tried going to another store and was told DOA's could not be exchanged at other stores that they had to go back to the store it was purchased at.
It is likely that all phones at Bell at all the stores at the same time may well come from the same batch.
I can wait over the weekend. I bought it on the 1st so still have most of my 30 day period to do the exchange. after that its repairs only. trying to avoid that.
I tried to get back the first one I had as it didn't have it as bad as all the subsequent ones I've had. Once a phone is marked DOA it can not be resold until it has been reconditioned and put back through the system. Understandable.
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I think we all may have blobs to varying degrees. The other day I looked at my screen in bright sunlight with polarized sunglasses on. It made the screen look black but you could clearly see random beige blotches all over it. In normal use I think my screen is as close to perfect as there is and when looking at a black background in the dark I don't see blobs or blotches. The "O" in AMOLED stands for organic which means alive. Maybe what we're seeing is a by product of the technology.
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I agree and I can accept some imperfections but I'd like to get as close to "perfect" as I can seeing that I had it in the beginning (WHY didnt I keep the first one?!)
Oh well, I'll take what I get with the new shipment and be happy with it,unless there is functional issues, then I'll be
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In normal use I think my screen is as close to perfect as there is and when looking at a black background in the dark I don't see blobs or blotches. The "O" in AMOLED stands for organic which means alive. Maybe what we're seeing is a by product of the technology.
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Well good you don't see any blobs or perhaps you are suffering from a certain degree of Nyctalopia. Sometimes a disorder is not bad, see no evil ... Nonetheless the O in AMOLED doesn't stand for alive, just for a chemical compound containing molecules with carbon.
I must add that two Galaxy S (i9000) models I have looked at don't have this issue, at all. The screens are fully and equally the same black tint/shade. Taking a picture to capture the problem has proven to be somewhat difficult, but this old camera probably isn't really anything to write home about these days.
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Well good you don't see any blobs or perhaps you are suffering from a certain degree of Nyctalopia. Sometimes a disorder is not bad, see no evil
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OCD is also a recognized disorder in which the pursuit of perfection overtakes one's life. If I had problems with my phone I'd have no problem sharing them. I've posted tons of pics of my phone in the dark, in the light, on grey, showing apps, and at every brightness level between 0% and 100%. I'm not going to apologize because I have a decent screen. Though I do sympathize with those that aren't satisfied for whatever the reason.
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OCD is also a recognized disorder in which the pursuit of perfection overtakes one's life. If I had problems with my phone I'd have no problem sharing them. I've posted tons of pics of my phone in the dark, in the light, on grey, showing apps, and at every brightness level between 0% and 100%. I'm not going to apologize because I have a decent screen. Though I do sympathize with those that aren't satisfied for whatever the reason.
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I dream of having a phone like yours.
I'm glad that all i have are these splotches on the screen in the darkness. it is not viewable at any other time and all other functions of the phone are perfect.
I can live with the splotches if i have to but would prefer to not. I'll exchange one more time and leave it.
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I dream of having a phone like yours.
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I'm sure I'm not special. If you look at the low level of participation in the display threads either people have low standards or the majority of phones are like mine. Even within the display threads, 50% of the posts are by the same dozen or so people. In the other Canadian display thread a bunch of people from Toronto posted they had no problems. So keep spinning the wheel, you're bound to get lucky.
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OCD is also a recognized disorder in which the pursuit of perfection overtakes one's life.
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Obsessive–compulsive disorder is not how you describe it, perfectionism is. Some more of this perfectionism for a company like Samsung would not be bad at all.
It was not meant to be taken seriously anyway (hence the smiley). Albeit a joke, people whom suffer from night blindness will of course not see this particular issue though.
While I believe I did not post in the other display problem threads. I do have yellow tint and pink/blueish shade from all angles except from front. Which of course doesn't make it sound like a decent and proper SAMOLED+ display at all. Since I have a Galaxy S that doesn't exhibit these problems, it of course makes me a little disappointed.
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Obsessive–compulsive disorder is not how you describe it, perfectionism is. Some more of this perfectionism for a company like Samsung would not be bad at all.
It was not meant to be taken seriously anyway (hence the smiley). Albeit a joke, people whom suffer from night blindness will of course not see this particular issue though.
While I believe I did not post in the other display problem threads. I do have yellow tint and pink/blueish shade from all angles except from front. Which of course doesn't make it sound like a decent and proper SAMOLED+ display at all. Since I have a Galaxy S that doesn't exhibit these problems, it of course makes me a little disappointed.
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I wasn't attacking you, just having a little fun trading disorders. I actually considered myself anal retentive until I started participating in this forum. ;-)
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The anal stage, hmm no let's just leave Freud there. He doesn't have blops on his screen anyway.
I can not exchange my phone, probably because it was included for "free" with a Vodafone plan, even though I just have it a couple of days. The shop implied I could sent it in for repair but I am reluctant to do that for various reasons.
bruflot said:
I have zero issues with my screen; no ghosting, yellow/pink tint, light bolbs etc.
but no one believes me
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Not all phones are affected with the same assortment of issues but I find it hard to believe that your phone does not have any ghosting, its an limitation on the SAMOLED+, Im not saying your lying but I dont believe that claim either. For the yellow banding on the left side user to user and phone to phone subjective.
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I must add that two Galaxy S (i9000) models I have looked at don't have this issue, at all. The screens are fully and equally the same black tint/shade. Taking a picture to capture the problem has proven to be somewhat difficult, but this old camera probably isn't really anything to write home about these days.
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One of my thoughts also point to that a lot of S2 owners are first time users of SAMOLED screens, hence they dont know what to expect or have an entire low level of expectations. The S2 is my 3rd phone with a SAMOLED based technology and pretty much the expectation should be higher than the first generation SAMOLED right?
But all people say that these defects are expected are we are the minority as millions and millions of phones getting sold but theres no "internet media coverage" about it and they start bringing in other phones as a comparison when the only comparison needed is the previous generation SAMOLED.
I was initially very disappointed on this until I had my phone exchanged (Had to sort out over a dozen phones) and also XXKGx firmware alleviated the yellow banding, right now Im happy with what I got but I can be happier if the quality on the SAMOLED+ surpassed the first generation, The regular SAMOLED is superior in every way even if it was pentile. I just gotta hope for the best when the SGS3 and SAMOLED HD comes out.
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The anal stage, hmm no let's just leave Freud there. He doesn't have blops on his screen anyway.
I can not exchange my phone, probably because it was included for "free" with a Vodafone plan, even though I just have it a couple of days. The shop implied I could sent it in for repair but I am reluctant to do that for various reasons.
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This could also be a possible reason why Samsung has never said anything about the display issues on the S2, a lot of shops are refusing exchanges and sending customers to the service center and have repairs instead, probably Samsung has informed its retail channel that they will be replacing deadpixels only anything should be dealt with by the retailer.. well just a conspiracy theory =)
Guys as you can see, many started posting concerning some defects of the Note's screen. It's starting to look widespread. Might be wrong tho.
Should we be worried of widespread manufacturing defects? I would hate sending my Note back to Amazon.de even when it hasn't even arrived yet! I hate all the hassle/waiting/delays.
Please only post insightful/informative answers, because I'm starting to get worried and I can ASSURED you I'm not the worrying or nitpicking type so that's says something.
I believe many or some others people are in the same situation as me. Also I got it from Amazon.de so it's EU Model.
Could this be EU model specific "problems"? If it does NOT affect it's performance/reliability and day2day usage I don't even care then..
But I would hate having the screen of a expensive device failing on me after couple months. It's the phones main feature after all and many started complaining about it.
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Guys as you can see, many started posting concerning some defects of the Note's screen. It's starting to look widespread. Might be wrong tho.
Should we be worried of widespread manufacturing defects? I would hate sending my Note back to Amazon.de even when it hasn't even arrived yet! I hate all the hassle/waiting/delays.
Please only post insightful/informative answers, because I'm starting to get worried and I can ASSURED you I'm not the worrying or nitpicking type so that's says something.
I believe many or some others people are in the same situation as me. Also I got it from Amazon.de so it's EU Model.
Could this be EU model specific "problems"? If it does NOT affect it's performance/reliability and day2day usage I don't even care then..
But I would hate having the screen of a expensive device failing on me after couple months. It's the phones main feature after all and many started complaining about it.
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According to my poll, over 83% of the people here who responded think the Note is the best phone ever made. So I think you might be barking up the wrong tree or singing the wrong Note needlessly.
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Guys as you can see, many started posting concerning some defects of the Note's screen. It's starting to look widespread. Might be wrong tho.
Should we be worried of widespread manufacturing defects? I would hate sending my Note back to Amazon.de even when it hasn't even arrived yet! I hate all the hassle/waiting/delays.
Please only post insightful/informative answers, because I'm starting to get worried and I can ASSURED you I'm not the worrying or nitpicking type so that's says something.
I believe many or some others people are in the same situation as me. Also I got it from Amazon.de so it's EU Model.
Could this be EU model specific "problems"? If it does NOT affect it's performance/reliability and day2day usage I don't even care then..
But I would hate having the screen of a expensive device failing on me after couple months. It's the phones main feature after all and many started complaining about it.
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Theres absolutely no problem whatsoever. If you display a full-black picture on the phones display in lightless environment you can see the OLED display emits a little bit of light (like 1/1000 of the best LCDs I've seen). Also you might spot few black spots when looking at the screen with your perhiperal vision. So yea... huge problems!
Your never ever going to see these "problems" in normal usage scenarios. Some people just like to make practically non-existing problems into huge "dealbreaker" situations.
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According to my poll, over 83% of the people here who responded think the Note is the best phone ever made. So I think you might be barking up the wrong tree.
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Did I say otherwise? That is NOT great phone? Best is subjective to each one needs and opinion. But for me it's the BEST phone for what I want and look after. That's WHY I order it.
Don't take this the wrong way but that's your opinion of insightful/informative answer? Please don't answer. Just think about it.
I did not ask if it's good/best phone or if you like it. I ordered it for the same reasons like almost all here.
I believe my post is very clear of what it's about.
I asked about the display/screen issues some are having. So please next time answer more appropriate and talk about the display/screen "issues" and not about trees and barking and whatever you wan't to talk about.
P.S: See what I had write now? I hate to write such comments/posts. There's no need for them I believe.
A more appropriate answer like: No it's not widespread. I just isolated case or something or whatever, would have been much preferred. Thank you.
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Did I say otherwise? That is NOT great phone? Best is subjective to each one needs and opinion. But for me it's the BEST phone for what I want and look after. That's WHY I order it.
Don't take this the wrong way but that's your opinion of insightful/informative answer? Please don't answer. Just think about it.
I did not ask if it's good/best phone or if you like it. I ordered it for the same reasons like almost all here.
I believe my post is very clear of what it's about.
I asked about the display/screen issues some are having. So please next time answer more appropriate and talk about the display/screen "issues" and not about trees and barking and whatever you wan't to talk about.
P.S: See what I had write now? I hate to write such comments/posts. There's no need for them I believe.
A more appropriate answer like: No it's not widespread. I just isolated case or something or whatever, would have been much preferred. Thank you.
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I apologise if I have offended you by the manner in which I replied. I was not trying to be patronising but just trying to reassure you and that you might be worried unnecessarily.
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Theres absolutely no problem whatsoever. If you display a full-black picture on the phones display in lightless environment you can see the OLED display emits a little bit of light (like 1/1000 of the best LCDs I've seen). Also you might spot few black spots when looking at the screen with your perhiperal vision. So yea... huge problems!
Your never ever going to see these "problems" in normal usage scenarios. Some people just like to make practically non-existing problems into huge "dealbreaker" situations.
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I know. As I said I'm not the nitpicking type. I will never turn the brightness to a 100%(had it at the lowest on my SGS2) and wont stare a full-black picture in lightless environment for no apparent reason obviously.
The thing that got me worried was those black spots to be honest. So reliability is a great concern for me.
And thanks for the reply. I really appreciate it.
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I apologise if I have offended you by the manner in which I replied. I was not trying to be patronising but just trying to reassure you that you might be worried unnecessarily.
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None taken. I apologize for my saying also. We are all part of a great community here. And also a part of a bigger one too. Yes, XDA Community.
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None taken. I apologize for my saying also. We are all part of a great community here. And also a part of a bigger one too. Yes, XDA Community.
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We all are XDA-Brothers & Sisters !
Spots before your eyes dept.
There seem to be a couple of cases of defective screens, but a huge amount of opinion about the qualities of Pentile screens. The only thing I can notice with a magnifying glass, is that white text on a black background seems to have a fuzzy red edge to it. Black text on a white background is sharp.
Links that shed light on the matter:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...D---is-the-PenTile-matrix-bad-for-you_id23134
http://www.nouvoyance.com/technology.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active-matrix_OLED
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_light-emitting_diode#Advantages
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We all are XDA-Brothers & Sisters !
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What about married members? Or members dating? Is that even legal?
Xaddict said:
There seem to be a couple of cases of defective screens, but a huge amount of opinion about the qualities of Pentile screens. The only thing I can notice with a magnifying glass, is that white text on a black background seems to have a fuzzy red edge to it. Black text on a white background is sharp.
Links that shed light on the matter:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...D---is-the-PenTile-matrix-bad-for-you_id23134
http://www.nouvoyance.com/technology.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active-matrix_OLED
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_light-emitting_diode#Advantages
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Excellent read Xaddict. Thanks for taking the time to post them. It would be useful for future viewers that might find this thread. I know a bit about the PenTile and amoled technology...
My concern are the black spots. I know some SGS2 screens have them. I did not notice them when I checked it on my SGS2. So are those black spots are anything to worry about? Are they inside the margin of error or something?
And my final question. Do they affect the screen's reliability in any way?
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Excellent read Xaddict. Thanks for taking the time to post them. It would be useful for future viewers that might find this thread. I know a bit about the PenTile and amoled technology...
My concern are the black spots. I know some SGS2 screens have them. I did not notice them when I checked it on my SGS2. So are those black spots are anything to worry about? Are they inside the margin of error or something?
And my final question. Do they affect the screen's reliability in any way?
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Can't comment on black spots as I have not seen them.
Compared to my HD2, the Note has blacks that are black as the ace of spades on a dark night, vivid colours and sharp detail(unless viewed with a magnifying glass), and no spots.
Not sure of differences between SAMOLED Pentile and OLED Monitors but Sony are releasing a new range of OLED Broadcast monitors that sell from $10,000-$30,000. They are replacing LCD and CRT's in the broadcast industry.
To quote phonearena.com "To wrap it up we'd say that the fears about PenTile appear hugely overblown when it comes to the new HD Super AMOLED technology, which delivers higher pixel density."
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Theres absolutely no problem whatsoever. If you display a full-black picture on the phones display in lightless environment you can see the OLED display emits a little bit of light (like 1/1000 of the best LCDs I've seen). Also you might spot few black spots when looking at the screen with your perhiperal vision. So yea... huge problems!
Your never ever going to see these "problems" in normal usage scenarios. Some people just like to make practically non-existing problems into huge "dealbreaker" situations.
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It seems like some people are so obsessed with 'perfection' in their ever evolving cutting edge gadgets that at some point the manufacturers are going to need start binning their devices, selling a velvet glove hand inspected version for say 50% more, or start trashing the majority of new screens/devices due to perceived imperfections thus driving the prices through the roof, unfortunately though these scenarios wouldn't satisfy the majority of the perfectionsts (reading some comments it makes me wonder what the writers are like to deal with in real life, how they would like being held to account at such a nitpicking and unrealistic standard) as everyone wants their cutting edge gadgets to be minimally priced as well.
Think about it for a minute, we are basically packing around the equivalent of a cutting edge laptop from a few years ago in our pockets, what happened to the excitement of being part of the technological cutting edge? Enjoy your gadget while you have it, you'll be replacing it soon enough anyways with something new that is flawed somehow but much more awesome.
I remember a similar controversy that was being peddled when the HTC HD2 came out. If you viewed the screen with sunlight reflecting off it at a 45 degree angle, you could see the etched pattern of the capacitive touchscreen grid. I hardly ever noticed it and when I did it made no difference to the quality of the phone's screen, but some held that it was a defective design.
Well I have seen on a couple of S2s and Notes some dark marks in the background. Best visible to me when looking on a grey background with low brightness setting.
Eg. Maps.
I am not too worried about this, since with increasing brightness it gets much better.
Since I checked a couple of stores and always found it, I believe it is a common issue. Might be worse or better from phone to phone, but always there.
Thank you all for your replies. Greatly appreciated.
So, to answer my own concerns based on your replies: No, is not an issue at all. Well, so far atleast, since it's a new device not many users if any, used it for longer perioed(3-6months).
Let's hope it's all good when it arrives in a couple days. If anything with the phone I will post to the appropriate threads. Thanks again.
This is a general statement and not a direct first hand account of my experiences with the SGN.
The human brain has the ability to ignore small issues or lack of information. For example, you can listen to a conversation with your date at a restaurant even with a lot of background noise. You can look at an image for a split second and be able to make out what the picture was even if you only saw part of it. Tiny issues with the display may not even register.
However, if you are looking for issues you will find them. Also you are far more likely to be bothered by an issue once it is pointed out to you. Sometimes ignorance is bliss. If someone tells you looking at the screen in very specific circumstances will result in a visual artifact, you will tend to always notice it. I am not saying we should not share this information and just unquestioningly accept what we are given. Just be careful what road you go down. Somethings cannot be unseen!
I recently looked up a review of my monitor for my computer and noticed people were complaining about ghosting in some games. I had not noticed it before I read that review, however guess what I always notice when playing games now?
PS. Want to sell a 24" Asus LED LCD.
The OP asked if these marks are an indication of reduced reliability of the screens, i.e. they're defective so they're going to fail sooner. To answer, I don't think there's enough history/data for anybody to answer that question with certainty yet, but I've seen the same marks on my Nexus One AMOLED screen and the GSII AMOLED screen, so I'd venture to say no, reliability is not likely to be negatively affected.
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....Sometimes ignorance is bliss....
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The bold part is one of the best advices and can apply to many aspects in life as on hardware.
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PS. Want to sell a 24" Asus LED LCD.
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Interested to get that "faulty" ghosting led lcd out of your hands. Price please?
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The OP asked if these marks are an indication of reduced reliability of the screens, i.e. they're defective so they're going to fail sooner. To answer, I don't think there's enough history/data for anybody to answer that question with certainty yet, but I've seen the same marks on my Nexus One AMOLED screen and the GSII AMOLED screen, so I'd venture to say no, reliability is not likely to be negatively affected.
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Thank you maxh. I agree with you. I said it also that is too early to tell, but the reason I made this whole thread is so someone with some engineering expertises would reply to ease my concerns.
But it seems that is not a reliability issue from all the replies, even if I believe none of us is professionally certified to answer that. Time will tell.
In the meantime let's all enjoy our humongous SGS2 on steroids!
Colour depth
I am having doubts that the screen on the Note is 16M / 24bit colour depth.
GSMArena states the colour depth is 16M.
This is a link to a website with a 24bit png gradient and an explanation of screen bit depth: Gradient
Looking at it on the note, there is banding characteristic of 16bit, which doesn't show up on my pc's screen.
I tried png & jpg gradients i made in photoshop and all had banding on the Note.
Oh well, what was I expecting on a handset?
I guess GSMArena got my hopes up.
My first Galaxy Note had dead pixels, burn-in effects (don't know what you call them but there are pictures in the link below). The second one I got as a replacement had much more burn-in effects than the first one. The third Galaxy Note had burn-in effects but not as much as the first two, but the gyroscope isn't working on third one, yes I've calibrated it like a thousand times. All of these phones had the burn-in effects out of the box, so it wasn't I who was overheating the phones screen or something like that...
There were also other minor problems (with all three phones) like bad audio quality, bad Bluetooth connectivity, minor lagging and small blocks appearing when watching videos (yes, even of high quality videos) which doesn't appear on any other phone I've had.
I've never had any of these problems with another phone. I've mainly used Sony Ericsson and Apple phones. Off topic, or maybe not.. I also bought an Samsung Galaxy S2 for my girlfriend and it too had burn-in effects and a burnt in status bar (nothing she really cared about, I take it as does most of the people who have it), so it's not just the Galaxy Note suffering from this issue.
Now I'm here, with my third fricking defective Galaxy Note, really pissed off at these issues. If one pays ca. 500+ euros for a quality phone made by the "best" phone company in the world one doesn't expect to have these issues.
I will try to solve this by contacting Samsung. But I would ask of other owners of the Galaxy Note to do the following test on their phones and post a result.
Download the app:
1. Dead Pixel Detect and Fix
2. Start with choosing the colors white and grey
3. Within the app, go to settings, set brightness to lowest.
4. Be in a dark room and look for these burn in effects I'm talking about (dark vertical and horizontal lines + smudges).
Take a picture of the screen with another camera, taking a picture with the phone itself won't show these issues as it's not software issue but a hardware issue.
These were my results with the first two phones I bought:
http://imageshack.us/g/685/bild4ht.jpg/ (There is only one color displayed and there are lots of dark lines and smudges, ignore the grain)
Thank you.
Looking at your pictures they do look very bad, I cant even tell if that is supposed to be a white or grey rendering on the screen but thats an obvious defect.
Did you get your note from a retail store?
I've also had several replacements with my S2 and I ended up getting a refund.
IMHO, part of the cause of this really low quality control is not by samsung but from other users who accept obvious defects to be normal or tolerable, sure its gonna be a PIA to have it exchanged upto more then a dozen times but since a great majority of them are just accepting it so samsung is giving us sup par quality control.
Can't remember if the colors were white or grey on the first picture, but they were definitely the same on both phones!
I bought the first two phones from amazon.de, I got my money back from amazon.de. And I got my third galaxy note yesterday from handyshop.de...
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IMHO, part of the cause of this really low quality control is not by samsung but from other users who accept obvious defects to be normal or tolerable, sure its gonna be a PIA to have it exchanged upto more then a dozen times but since a great majority of them are just accepting it so samsung is giving us sup par quality control.
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Might be. It seems like the people who are buying Samsung phones doesn't know what quality is, so they just keep the phones and praise the company and the model.
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Might be. It seems like the people who are buying Samsung phones doesn't know what quality is, so they just keep the phones and praise the company and the model.
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They know what quality is, they just accept the defects as normal. For me I find it hard to accept some of the screen defects when I never faced this issue with first 2 SAMOLED devices. I guess its the flawless screens I had with my first 2 devices placed me in such high expectations especially on the SAMOLED Plus.
I'll try to see if I can also have mine replaced, the only issue I have is the faint horizontal lines, can be seen even when browsing. No effort needed to see it.
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the only issue I have is the faint horizontal lines, can be seen even when browsing. No effort needed to see it.
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One does not necessarily need to do the test I've put up to see these defects, I can see them whenever the background image is grey or white.
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I've never had any of these problems with another phone. I've mainly used Sony Ericsson and Apple phones.
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Sorry to read of your difficulties, but you do realize their are plenty of Sony and Apple owners with similar problems, right? You've just been lucky until now.
I have a SGS2 and My screen is perfect! Tried the app that is mentioned and all colors are perfect! Maybe there is a bad batch of Super AMOLED HD panels floating around. Don't know but I have never seen SAMOLED screen in such a bad shape! And I've seen a lot! Have somebody heard of Nexus Prime having this issues too?
Sorry, but may you take one picture and draw a circle around the defects? I'm honest: I don't see the banding/burn-in effects on your pictures, nor any dead pixels.
All I see is a poorly made photo, which isn't really sharp, sometimes shaken, and has a lot of grain, probably taken with a low cost camera at a too low brightness the camera isn't able to work with.
If I run the program on my HTC Desire (AMOLED) and on the Samsung Galaxy Note (Super AMOLED) I can't spot an failure. I see a minor burn-in in the notification area, which has nothing to do with quality control but rather it's a display technology limitation.
Else I can't spot any defects, no burn-ins, banding, ...
Just as I don't see this on your pictures, except a lot of grain caused by your camera.
One thing is obvious, that at the lowest brightness setting in a dark room, displaying a dark color, taken with a high exposure time, one can spot a difference in color reproduction between both models. But this is no failure at all, because the difference is minor and the frame conditions stupid. And you probably wouldn't be able to tell a difference without a direct comparison at such artificial frame conditions. And the question is, do other manufacturers allow such a low brightness? Do others have such an evenly lit display?
I really don't see any failure with your models.
So please, make a good photo, with a good DSLR, which is a necessity at such low lights, mounted on a tripod, and then draw a circle around the dead pixels, the banding and the burn-in.
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Sorry, but may you take one picture and draw a circle around the defects? I'm honest: I don't see the banding/burn-in effects on your pictures, nor any dead pixels.
All I see is a poorly made photo, which isn't really sharp, sometimes shaken, and has a lot of grain, probably taken with a low cost camera at a too low brightness the camera isn't able to work with.
If I run the program on my HTC Desire (AMOLED) and on the Samsung Galaxy Note (Super AMOLED) I can't spot an failure. I see a minor burn-in in the notification area, which has nothing to do with quality control but rather it's a display technology limitation.
Else I can't spot any defects, no burn-ins, banding, ...
Just as I don't see this on your pictures, except a lot of grain caused by your camera.
One thing is obvious, that at the lowest brightness setting in a dark room, displaying a dark color, taken with a high exposure time, one can spot a difference in color reproduction between both models. But this is no failure at all, because the difference is minor and the frame conditions stupid. And you probably wouldn't be able to tell a difference without a direct comparison at such artificial frame conditions. And the question is, do other manufacturers allow such a low brightness? Do others have such an evenly lit display?
I really don't see any failure with your models.
So please, make a good photo, with a good DSLR, which is a necessity at such low lights, mounted on a tripod, and then draw a circle around the dead pixels, the banding and the burn-in.
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I think you are blind.
OrionBG said:
Maybe there is a bad batch of Super AMOLED HD panels floating around. Don't know but I have never seen SAMOLED screen in such a bad shape!
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Yeah I've never seen such problems on a screen before, hopefully just a bad batch, but on two different models?
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Sorry to read of your difficulties, but you do realize their are plenty of Sony and Apple owners with similar problems, right? You've just been lucky until now.
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Never heard of any screen problems with Apple and SE, (not saying it doesn't exist) but yes I might have been lucky until now. But what are the odds, 3 gnotes in a row (+ my gf's S2), more or less. It's like all my good luck has secretly been accumulating a lot of bad luck lol. Yeah but I can live with this third one, it's not as bad as the first two. But the problem is the gyroscope. It works randomly.
This is a major feature of recent Samsung Amoled actually. People have been complaining of screen problem for Galaxy SII, Nexus and Note.
They might not want to make the same mistake with their new 2560x1600 ICS tablet.
I've been interested in other phones that uses Sharp's ASV panel.
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I think UpSpin is not blind.
Here you go:
These are pictures made at the same time and light with a DSLR camera and "normal" phone camera.
1. DSLR: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12581372/DSLR Sony A55.jpg
2. HTC Desire Z : http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12581372/HTC Desire Z.jpg
Me and UpSpin can both see the difference
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I think you are blind.
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thanks you for not answering my questions at all. Somehow I lose faith in the validity of your issues at all.
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Never heard of any screen problems with Apple and SE, (not saying it doesn't exist) but yes I might have been lucky until now.
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Strange that you compare OLED displays with LCD. No LCD on earth has a black as OLED, so if you compare OLED next to LCD at such sub-opimatl conditions you'll notice, that LCD won't even go as dark.
And never had any sort of backlight bleed? Just do a google search 'iPhone 4 backlight bleed' which are issues which are obvious.
I still can't see the issues on your pictures. I see artifacts and errors caused by the poor digital camera you used, just as buk_grudziadz nicely compared, thank you buk_grudziadz. But I don't see display failures and you don't seem to be able to show me them, else you would have done it already, or?
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thanks you for not answering my questions at all. Somehow I lose faith in the validity of your issues at all.?
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Well your whole comment seemed more like an insult than any help. How can't you see the issues on the screen? There is only one color on the whole screen, do you think it looks even? You and your friend are the first two people to complain about the photo quality, I'm not the best photographer and I don't know much about how to take good photos, but the problem is very visible. There are black lines, horizontal and vertical and dark smudges. I wish I knew how to take better pictures, even if I did know I don't have the phones since I returned them.
I have the third one left, but it's not that bad as the first two. If you want I can take a photo of it with a galaxy S2.
maybe your phones have the issues, I don't know and I can't tell it.
It's impossible to tell if the photos were taken with a smartphone camera, which adds that much noise that any slight color failures get overshadowed.
Just as with the pictures buk_grudziadz has taken. The display in the photo taken with the DSLR looks perfect, which it is. The same display taken with the Desire Z looks wrong. It has artifacts, color distortion (green and red) seems to have banding, and is grainy (noise), but it isn't. The photo is totally misleading, just as yours are.
So by looking at your pictures your display looks wrong, but not because of the display, but because of the poor camera quality. You can't do better photos with a smartphone camera, even with a point and shot camera it's difficult, you need a DSLR with a large CCD/CMOS sensor and good optics to take reasonable pictures at such a low light. If you don't have one, ask a friend. But the photos you posted are useless, sorry.
Just take a look at the two photos buk_grudziadz posted and tell me, does the display in the photo taken with the Desire Z look faulty or good?
I think your problem is that you are a screen nazi. No screen is perfect. I myself found a dead pixel with your app that i never noticed.
BTW to my knowledge AMOLED displays don't have backlight and the pixels themselves emit light right? So if I'm right, how is it possible to even burn the image of the statusbar when Samsung uses black theme? black means pixels off. How can an image be burned in the display that way?
@UpSpin
They did have those issues and I don't care if you think they "maybe" had those issues. Who the hell do you think you are coming here and being rude, questioning the validity of the issues I've had. I've been through hell with these phones complaining, sending them back, waiting for new ones and loosing money. You are not helping by complaining about the photos.
Do you really think someone would waste their free time on lying about some frickin issues on cellphones? The first person to answer this thread clearly could see them, and I wouldn't post those photos if they didn't look like EXACTLY what I could see with my own eyes. I posted those photos here a long time ago in another thread and nobody complained about the quality. They all saw the issues, many of them had the issues too.
I'm on my third galaxy note and it does have these issues, but luckily not as visible as the first two. When using the same camera I used before and the same settings on the new galaxy note, the problems are barely visible. It doesn't give the new phone some banding or artifacts.
Now these issues was mostly visible when using the lowest screen brightness with grey or white colors (picture yourself reading a book or browsing the internet). It was really annoying and a quality phone from the best phone company shouldn't have those issues.
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I think your problem is that you are a screen nazi. No screen is perfect. I myself found a dead pixel with your app that i never noticed.
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Thank you for your comment, it really helped me. Seriously though, my problem is that I care about quality, clearly some people don't judging by your comment. If I pay 500+ euros for a phone with an amazing 5.3" AMOLED HD screen from the best phone company in the world, I don't expect to have problems out of the box. And if you did read my first post you would see that the third galaxy note I have has those issues but not as much as the first two and I am FINE with it. I was just pointing out that all of the gnotes I received had those issues, more or less and I wanted to know if other people had those too.
Hi,
I wont say I'm new to XDA as I've been following XDA since the Windows Mobile 6.5 days. I was even a member of xda then but unfortunately forgot my account details when I switched to using a Nokia N900 for a year or so. I moved on to the Galaxy SII last year and have been following XDA again since then. I finally sold my SGS II and bought the Galaxy Note last week. And this device has finally brought the need to join again. I never tried playing videos initially, but in a few days I played some videos which were randomly scattered in my sd card and I discovered that every video looks sick on my phone. There were black and purplish pixellation on almost all the dark scenes (even HD videos and FullHD videos, even the ones taken by the phone's camera) and upon googling it, I came to know in detail about this issue. I went through every thread in this forum related to this issue and even found supercurio's abandoned thread. Exchanging phones here in India is a painful experience. Samsung gives a 4day exchange policy which is a headache and after reading through the threads, I realised that there is no point fighting for a replacement or changing the screen as I may end up getting another issue while this issue would still persist to some degree. Since this black clipping problem is going on since release without any solution as of now, I posted the issue to GSMArena along with links to the threads here stating the issue. I never expected them to publish it but check out GsmArena today.
www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_plagued_by_display_issues-news-4513.php
Now lets hope for an explanation from Samsung with a fix. I hope this is a good start from my side.
UPDATE (July14th) : Guess we are making some progress. Check this out.
http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2012/07/13/samsung-galaxy-note-display-problem-could-be-kernel-glitch/
http://www.knowyourmobile.in/news/1482177/now_samsung_galaxy_note_faces_display_issues.html
http://www.phonesreview.com/review/samsung-galaxy-note-display-problem-could-be-kernel-glitch/
http://www.mobgaze.com/news/mobile-phone-news-samsung-galaxy-note-5-3-display-issues
http://american-reviews.blogspot.in/2012/07/samsung-galaxy-note-plagued-by-display.html
http://jtplanet.com/samsung-galaxy-note-display-issues/
http://www.mobilebloom.com/display-issues-plaguing-the-samsung-galaxy-note/2216782/
Welcome to XDA.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_plagued_by_display_issues-news-4513.php
Thanks for reporting it to gsmarena. Glad they did not ignore it.. and welcome.. back! to XDA!
satishp said:
Now lets hope for an explanation from Samsung with a fix.
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You'll get your explanation and fix in no time at all, I'm sure.
When it comes to delivering those, Samsung is as fast as a quadriplegic snail.:silly:
They are working on the fix to the black clipping and the Emmc bug!
Galaxy note 2
not sent from an I phone....cos I'm not a fanny
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They are working on the fix to the black clipping and the Emmc bug!
Galaxy note 2
not sent from an I phone....cos I'm not a fanny
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Have they specifically stated that there won't be any clipping anywhere? Link please.
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Samsung are not going to fix anything for the note 1. Be it black clipping or the brick bug..
That will cost them.
Instead they will fix it with the note 2 and make us pay fot it.
Simple business
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Its not that I expect anything from Samsung, but atleast they have to givevan explanation now as this is in the media. I just bought the note a week ago and everything is perfect. No spots, no tints, no hues, nothing. Everything looks flawless untill I apply a dark wallpaper or play any video. And thats when you realise how disgusting it looks. Even HD videos. Everybody knows that the Note isnt cheap and here in India, nothing is easy. It takes a month or more to recieve a product after warranty. The service team is so bothered about fixing your device as it comes back scratched and scuffed and with other new issues. Replacement period here is 4days and going through that itself is a pain. I still remember waiting for my GSII replacement for almost 9hrs trying to explain to the blind engineers about the Yellow tint which was obvious on the left side of the display. Showed them all the threads online regarding this widespread issue, as it was a 'one of a kind' issue for them. After finally waiting for hours, they finally gave me a DOA with 'screen fade' as the issue. And when my next GSII exhibited the same issues and I went back for replacement the same day, they refused to replace it telling they can only process a DOA for a customer once. They called the Head office here and the retarded 'engineer' said that he couldnt see any tints while he clearly accepted that there is a slight yellow tint on the left side at my face. Finally after talking to Samsung Head office here and after a lot of arguements and hours of waiting, they finally gave me a second DOA. And guess what, the third one was just marginanally better or so I felt but the tint was staring at you on the face. But I gave up and decided to live with it due to the experience I went through. Luckily a kernel update later seemed to fix or hide the issue. Hence, I dont prefer going for warranty or fighting for replacement (which is almost impossible now as its been a week or more) over an issue which may still persist or another new random issue. So for the money I paid, atleast I deserve an explanation from Samsung before I decide what to do. Thats what made me report this to Gsmarena. I wonder why people here just decided to live with it when the issue was stabbing you at the face without a solution and its been almost a year.
I got my gnote 3 days ago I'm on Cm9 and don't have that but my screen sometimes goes from perfect to intermitent yellowish back to perfect again.. Don't know if this its a known issue or a Cm9 kernel issue
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Its not that I expect anything from Samsung, but atleast they have to givevan explanation now as this is in the media. I just bought the note a week ago and everything is perfect. No spots, no tints, no hues, nothing. Everything looks flawless untill I apply a dark wallpaper or play any video. And thats when you realise how disgusting it looks. Even HD videos. Everybody knows that the Note isnt cheap and here in India, nothing is easy. It takes a month or more to recieve a product after warranty. The service team is so bothered about fixing your device as it comes back scratched and scuffed and with other new issues. Replacement period here is 4days and going through that itself is a pain. I still remember waiting for my GSII replacement for almost 9hrs trying to explain to the blind engineers about the Yellow tint which was obvious on the left side of the display. Showed them all the threads online regarding this widespread issue, as it was a 'one of a kind' issue for them. After finally waiting for hours, they finally gave me a DOA with 'screen fade' as the issue. And when my next GSII exhibited the same issues and I went back for replacement the same day, they refused to replace it telling they can only process a DOA for a customer once. They called the Head office here and the retarded 'engineer' said that he couldnt see any tints while he clearly accepted that there is a slight yellow tint on the left side at my face. Finally after talking to Samsung Head office here and after a lot of arguements and hours of waiting, they finally gave me a second DOA. And guess what, the third one was just marginanally better or so I felt but the tint was staring at you on the face. But I gave up and decided to live with it due to the experience I went through. Luckily a kernel update later seemed to fix or hide the issue. Hence, I dont prefer going for warranty or fighting for replacement (which is almost impossible now as its been a week or more) over an issue which may still persist or another new random issue. So for the money I paid, atleast I deserve an explanation from Samsung before I decide what to do. Thats what made me report this to Gsmarena. I wonder why people here just decided to live with it when the issue was stabbing you at the face without a solution and its been almost a year.
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I have been living with it, but only due to the reasons you habe given, I am on my third Note, all have had the black crush, I called samsung only to be told that they do not know of yhe proble (thats a lie) and that I need to send my third brand new device in fir repair, I told em to stick it. I am just so fed up with hitting my head against a brick wall that I have pretty much given up on this ever being fixed.
Thank you for letting GSM arena know. I don't think anyone should have to live with a defective product especially if it costs an arm and a tooth. Outside of the US, people pay full price for these things and that's why companies like Samsung need to take it seriously. I don't care if the number of defective units is small, the fact that it exists means that Samsung has f****d up and needs to come out with a fix. AND if they can't rectify it via software, then recall the damn things. Owners of defective units or even just sympathizers should be posting like crazy over at GSMARENA and other news channels if we really want Samsung to take action.
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Samsung are not going to fix anything for the note 1. Be it black clipping or the brick bug..
That will cost them.
Instead they will fix it with the note 2 and make us pay fot it.
Simple business
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I agree with you that chances are few that a fix may come out, but we deserve an explanation for the kind of money we paid and a solution whatever be it. As far as I've seen, most phones here in India are affected. Atleast every phone I've seen and judging by the comments in the original threads, a lot more. Hence, this isnt an isolated case at all. And when every phone in the vicinity experiences it, it becomes very difficult to get a warranty here in India as Samsung immediately blasts out that it is a feature rather than a defect.
Using applications such as a screen filter or Screen Adjuster is pointless as it reduces the contrast and makes the blacks grayer to hide the issue. And for the resulting contrast, it would have been better going for an LCD panel rather than calling it an AMOLED. My GS2 never had any problems playing dark scenes and blacks were pitch black. But the note's screen isnt even true black in the dark. But then most AMOLEDs still look dark gray in darkness but atleast every other AMOLED based device I've seen has played back videos and images well and blacks were jet black in real life situations and I've never noticed black crush or clipping on any other phone. On my Note, the black and purplish pixellation is visible in a well lit room. So its really unpleasant to watch any video or look at any dark image. But the whites and other colours are perfect and browsing is a treat. Thats what makes me feel this isnt a screen or hardware defect
Could everyone who feel their Notes are affected by the black crush/clipping, please leave comments on the gsmarena article. Samsung should know the severity of the issue from the number of comments on that article. Only then will they respond to the situation. In the meanwhile, I'm mailing other reputed tech blogs to bring this issue to light. Lets wait and hope for the best.
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Using applications such as a screen filter or Screen Adjuster is pointless as it reduces the contrast and makes the blacks grayer to hide the issue. And for the resulting contrast, it would have been better going for an LCD panel rather than calling it an AMOLED. My GS2 never had any problems playing dark scenes and blacks were pitch black. But the note's screen isnt even true black in the dark. But then most AMOLEDs still look dark gray in darkness but atleast every other AMOLED based device I've seen has played back videos and images well and blacks were jet black in real life situations and I've never noticed black crush or clipping on any other phone. On my Note, the black and purplish pixellation is visible in a well lit room. So its really unpleasant to watch any video or look at any dark image. But the whites and other colours are perfect and browsing is a treat. Thats what makes me feel this isnt a screen or hardware defect
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I tend to agree with you. I cant remember having problems with stills, just video. I'll not go through the whole rigmarole of the various tests, but suffice to say that I feel confident that I managed to isolate this to software.
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Could everyone who feel their Notes are affected by the black crush/clipping, please leave comments on the gsmarena article. Samsung should know the severity of the issue from the number of comments on that article. Only then will they respond to the situation. In the meanwhile, I'm mailing other reputed tech blogs to bring this issue to light. Lets wait and hope for the best.
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I've posted on the comments @gsmarena and dropped in my penny worth about the eMMc issues. My thanks to you for making this effort and getting it a wider attention. Please let us know of the other blog/web sites when you get their attention.
Cheers
Its been almost 24hrs since the article came up on gsmarena and we havent heard from Samsung yet.
..and I'm afraid we we'll not hear them.
As far as I know Sammy is well aware about this issue, there is a post that also cover this issue (from Supercurio) but now it has been closed.
Unfortunately Sammy prefer to release new device and not to investigate in faulty one....sad rules of businness.
Bye
ermeda said:
..and I'm afraid we we'll not hear them.
As far as I know Sammy is well aware about this issue, there is a post that also cover this issue (from Supercurio) but now it has been closed.
Unfortunately Sammy prefer to release new device and not to investigate in faulty one....sad rules of businness.
Bye
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Persistent, focused pressure.
But yes, the big corp does work that way, until public pressure hurts the corporate image.
Persistent, focused pressure.
Because there is a very simple fix to it...