While not Evo Shift related, but we should start seeing Sprint LTE phones late next year.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Spri...-the-second-half-of-2012-likely-in-Q3_id24383
Let the rumors and hopes begin!
Quad core, AMOLED screen, and minimal manufacturer skinning (I know, I know, a pipe dream)
All this talk about lte, wimax, clearwire, etc. has brought me to realize I know very little about the subject. I thought 4G was 4G. Apparently there are differences. None of the carriers offer 4G where I live, the closest being verizon about 60 miles away. I guess I'm off to the world of google and wiki to do some researching.
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My Shift should last me until then.
jsp254 said:
All this talk about lte, wimax, clearwire, etc. has brought me to realize I know very little about the subject. I thought 4G was 4G. Apparently there are differences. None of the carriers offer 4G where I live, the closest being verizon about 60 miles away. I guess I'm off to the world of google and wiki to do some researching.
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actually, none of the carriers anywhere in the country offer 4G, they offer somewhat advanced 3G that they've labeled as 4G. But that's a debate for a different place.
Chances are, if you don't have "4G" now, you sure as heck won't miss it if you get a phone that has "4G" capabilities and you're in an area that isn't covered by that service. I rarely use the "4G" on my Shift, because it's 150 miles to the closest site that has it. I think that's the case for a whole lot of people with the Shift, and other "4G" phones, especially on Sprint.
The LTE service Sprint is coming out with is supposed to be put in the same locations as their 3G within a year of the beginning of the rollout, so all 3G covered areas would also have LTE in theory (or so the rumors have said). That would actually make a difference in the phones people purchase, and make that extra $10/month for the "smartphone fee" worthwhile.
It's probably worth waiting on your upgrade until next fall to get the LTE phones if you're into the more advanced phones, but Wimax will still be supported (but not likely expanded), and of course they'll still have the 3G capabilities. Personally, I haven't decided whether I'll keep my Shift past my Feb upgrade or not, it'll depend on the condition of my Shift, the device rumors I'm hearing, and of course how much money I have to upgrade. It's my last yearly upgrade, so I have to actually buy a phone that I expect to last for two years.
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actually, none of the carriers anywhere in the country offer 4G, they offer somewhat advanced 3G that they've labeled as 4G. But that's a debate for a different place.
Chances are, if you don't have "4G" now, you sure as heck won't miss it if you get a phone that has "4G" capabilities and you're in an area that isn't covered by that service. I rarely use the "4G" on my Shift, because it's 150 miles to the closest site that has it. I think that's the case for a whole lot of people with the Shift, and other "4G" phones, especially on Sprint.
The LTE service Sprint is coming out with is supposed to be put in the same locations as their 3G within a year of the beginning of the rollout, so all 3G covered areas would also have LTE in theory (or so the rumors have said). That would actually make a difference in the phones people purchase, and make that extra $10/month for the "smartphone fee" worthwhile.
It's probably worth waiting on your upgrade until next fall to get the LTE phones if you're into the more advanced phones, but Wimax will still be supported (but not likely expanded), and of course they'll still have the 3G capabilities. Personally, I haven't decided whether I'll keep my Shift past my Feb upgrade or not, it'll depend on the condition of my Shift, the device rumors I'm hearing, and of course how much money I have to upgrade. It's my last yearly upgrade, so I have to actually buy a phone that I expect to last for two years.
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I'm in the same boat and I'm waiting for Q3 2012.
I use 4G all the time and honestly can't wait to see the improvements LTE bring
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It's probably worth waiting on your upgrade until next fall to get the LTE phones if you're into the more advanced phones, but Wimax will still be supported (but not likely expanded), and of course they'll still have the 3G capabilities. Personally, I haven't decided whether I'll keep my Shift past my Feb upgrade or not, it'll depend on the condition of my Shift, the device rumors I'm hearing, and of course how much money I have to upgrade. It's my last yearly upgrade, so I have to actually buy a phone that I expect to last for two years.
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From my understanding they're re-purposing their 1900mhz band they use for 3G/Voice for LTE. Once the re-purposing is complete our phones would lose 3G/Voice functions outside of roaming on Verizon as they're relocating their 3G/Voice services to 800mhz (Verizon uses 850mhz so our 850mhz radio won't work on Sprint's 800mhz band). Hopefully they'll keep 3G/Voice on 1900mhz so they can gradually phase out their 1900mhz phones on both Sprint and Virgin Mobile. I'm not due for an upgrade until March 2013.
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I use 4G all the time and honestly can't wait to see the improvements LTE bring
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You probably won't notice a huge difference except for the amount of coverage. Comparing my WiMAX speeds to those of my friends on Verizon's LTE we're about the same speed (around 10Mbps).
I didn't know people actually use 4G. I have in here in San Antonio but never use it cause I'm always on WiFi and if I don't have that I'm probably not on my phone downloading stuff
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I use 4G whenever 3G is crapping out because it really kills my battery. I think im going to start carrying a 2nd battery.
I have 4G where I am, great at the house. Can definately tell when I switch back to 3G. Use 4G all the time and love it.
I have 4g most of the time but my wifi is much faster. For a while I was using the 4g until I could figure out who my internet provider would be at our new place. 4g is still pretty bad as I live in downtown los angeles with cell coverage that dies as soon as you walk into any building more than 100 feet.
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I just hope sprints lte has better building penetration. That's the only reason i don't use wimax much now. It drops connection so easy inside buildings if you are away from windows and takes a long time to pick it up again and while it's trying to connect or if it's dropping you get no data.
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I just hope sprints lte has better building penetration. That's the only reason i don't use wimax much now. It drops connection so easy inside buildings if you are away from windows and takes a long time to pick it up again and while it's trying to connect or if it's dropping you get no data.
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How's your 3G reception? They're re-purposing their 3G/Voice 1900mhz band for LTE so if you have crappy 3G reception most likely you'll have crappy LTE reception when it finally rolls out.
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Will the HTC Incredible's radio support 4G when Verizon rolls it out?
No it does not support 4G
4G will require use of the sim card; since we don't got a spot for it..no go for the 4go.
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4G will require use of the sim card; since we don't got a spot for it..no go for the 4go.
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LTE requires a sim card? I think that's what OP meant. Idk
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Will the HTC Incredible's radio support 4G when Verizon rolls it out?
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To put all the pieces of this post together, no, it won't as it's a hardware requirement more than software. Plus, Verizon isn't "rolling out" 4g until.. summer '11? If it's anything like it is on Sprint, then it wouldn't be worth it.
That is unless you live in one of the 12 cities in the country (or world?) that have 4g network service available there.
4g Right now is just a stepping stone, by the time it's anything useful / prominent, it'll be time for you to renew your contract with Big Red.
Yup, VZW expects to have 25-30 markets with some LTE coverage by the end of 2011, double that in 2012, and they hope to have it whereever they have 3G today by the end of 2013. And that's simply their plan, as anyone in the technology industry knows delays are inevitible. I don't think we'll see the first 4G handsets from VZW for about a year.
So your 3G phone has a lot of life left in it. It's OK to be a little envious of the guy with an EVO today, if you happen to live in an area that has WiMAX coverage, but ultimately LTE is going to be superior in terms of coverage and speed.
It was actually a perfect time to grab this phone a few months ago because in roughly 1 1/2 - 2 years when we get our upgrades for a new phone the 4G/LTE coverage will be (hopefully) pretty substantial and can have a 4G supported phone right off the bat without having too much of a lack of 4G/LTE coverage.
Recently read that sprint will be phasing out the iden network by 2013 and Dan Hesse Admitted Wimax was a failure and is considering the switch to LTE.
Could a switch to LTE ruin our 4Gness on our beloved Evos or would they still work?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/09/clearwire_sprint_wimax/
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Sprints-25-Billion-Network-Improvement-Plan-Hints-At-LTE-111703
Im just going out on a limb here but gonna throw my thoughts in on this . The phase out wont be till 2013 . With that being said most of us on the Evo will be well into a new phone by that time . General life span of phones (I said general) seems to be one year maybe two at most before someone jumps ship and gets another phone . I have also read that Wimax is an older technology that has been around for a while and the next logical jump would be LTE much like verizon is pushing . Now if for some reason you still have an Evo by the time the phase out is complete , I would suspect Sprint would either offer their customers an upgrade to work on the new network or atleast reduce the bills of the current evo owners still running an evo at that point . But from what I have seen and said in this post the likelyhood of any of us having the EVO in its current form by that time is very low . Its also possible the next gen of phones being released next year will start incorporating the LTE system (say for the sake of argument EVO2 LTE) to adjust to this change .
Wimax 2............ftw
Current wimax network can be easily switched to LTE via software upgrade that's why the current wimax buildout will continue. Also wimax is backwards compatible with wimax 2. So sprint has a couple ways it could go. And they own a lot of spectrum.
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Expect ptt over ip and not in the failed Qchat form. Most likely over 4G(wimax1,2 or LTE) data. Sprint has plenty option. They just have to play it right.
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Current wimax network can be easily switched to LTE via software upgrade that's why the current wimax buildout will continue. Also wimax is backwards compatible with wimax 2. So sprint has a couple ways it could go. And they own a lot of spectrum.
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So wimax and LTE hardware are compatible, interesting.
Sort of. It only takes a firmware update to switch.
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hmmmm...maybe wimax and lte along with cdma and gsm...world wide phone..anywhere. Maybe Sprint quad band phones with quad core cpus in next 5-10yrs? Quad band with quad core.."4x4" on 4G. ok..dream over...
Youd need a 12 volt battery too. lol
I read a while back that sprint chose WiMax as its "4g" provider because the infrastructure was already in place since clear had been launched. And that if LTE deemed a better route that the WiMax network could be patched relatively easily to run LTE. Im not worried about it. If sprint was the first company to have 4g im pretty sure they wont leave their current WiMax customers without high speed service if Wimax is pulled off the market. But remeber as well that the article specifies Iden which is nextel. Thats a conpletely different animal. Only time will tell.
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So wimax and LTE hardware are compatible, interesting.
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No. The transmitters use a WiMax card to transmit WiMax signal. All they would have to do on their end is swap the cards in the transmitters for LTE cards and then patch the software to interface with them instead of WiMax cards.
The bad news is that for us Evo and Epic (and Overdrive) owners, we won't get LTE with current hardware. And I know they'll use the "early adopter" excuse. Either way, I love my Evo, 4G or not. I hardly use 4G. I just hope they do the right thing and offer people money back or towards an upgrade. WiMax is fast, but isn't that great to begin with. I'd rather have LTE seeing as how it's becoming an international standard. The only thing I don't like is the cluttered frequency. Verizon and AT&T will both be using 700 MHz.
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Current wimax network can be easily switched to LTE via software upgrade that's why the current wimax buildout will continue. Also wimax is backwards compatible with wimax 2. So sprint has a couple ways it could go. And they own a lot of spectrum.
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Thats good the two technologies are that compatible, I didn't know they could be used like that. You're right about Sprint having the Spectrum for it too. My guess is they tried getting rid of IDEN a few years back to use that spectrum for 4G but couldn't because of all the people still using it. The higher frequency WiMax is at now is what's holding it back.
They're compatible from the transmitter's end, not the receiver's end (our phones).
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They're compatible from the transmitter's end, not the receiver's end (our phones).
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That's the only problem. If sprint goes with wimax 2 well be alright though. Early adopters always the test dummys.
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Yeah, that's true but I still think the Evo is the best Android phone out. Maybe not the most powerful, but the most polished and well-built (software and hardware-wise).
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Yeah, that's true but I still think the Evo is the best Android phone out. Maybe not the most powerful, but the most polished and well-built (software and hardware-wise).
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This is true until the G2 came out. That would be the only phone I would leave sprint for. I think the problem that came about with the Evo was it was rushed out for sprint. They could have cleaned up a bunch of problems before it even hit the street. **off soapbox**
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They're compatible from the transmitter's end, not the receiver's end (our phones).
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As long as they don't switch frequencies, then they will need to transmitters as well. Although they could probably leave the infrastructure they already have in place and finish the rest of it on the other frequency.
No, what I mean was that LTE and WiMax are not intercompatible in themselves.
Im glad to see that they can switch between wimax and LTE easily. I did not know that. Hopefully all the companies will have a roaming agreement in place. Also, isnt the range of LTE further than Wimax or is it the other way around?
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No. The transmitters use a WiMax card to transmit WiMax signal. All they would have to do on their end is swap the cards in the transmitters for LTE cards and then patch the software to interface with them instead of WiMax cards.
The bad news is that for us Evo and Epic (and Overdrive) owners, we won't get LTE with current hardware. And I know they'll use the "early adopter" excuse. Either way, I love my Evo, 4G or not. I hardly use 4G. I just hope they do the right thing and offer people money back or towards an upgrade. WiMax is fast, but isn't that great to begin with. I'd rather have LTE seeing as how it's becoming an international standard. The only thing I don't like is the cluttered frequency. Verizon and AT&T will both be using 700 MHz.
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By the time any switch happens, both the Evo and Epic will be very outdated. Not to many people will still have them. lol
wimax and lte
My best friend worked for sprint. Now works for AT&T. Wimax is not the problem. LTE is a different technology. What you have to understand is not the sofware but the signal. The Wimax from Sprint is running between 2.0 and 2.5 ghz. The problem with this is the structure penetration. 2.4ghz, if you remember is what older home cordless phones run on. Get to far away and, bam, no signal. Sprint could switch to the LTE format the the carrier frequency in the 2.0 to 2.5ghz spectrum will still not be able to penetrate structures well. My friend says the spectrum needs to be cleared up. vhf uhf tv. WTF. Get rid of them. You need to be at the 650mhz spectrum (his personal choice) so the the wavelength of the carrier wave will be able to penetrate building/structures. And pagers? Are you kidding me all phones double as a pager. Dump them. A doctor is going to get a page and use his cell phone to call in? waste of spectrum. So sprint needs to change the carrier frequency of wimax or lte (if it changes its mind) so that you can get your service indoors. The carrier frequency only is a delivery system(such as a semi truck delivering a tv). If you have a bad truck, tv does not get delivered. Know what I mean. All carriers need some free up of current spectrum so we can get some real penetration and better bars. I hate being a nerd. But WFT. Get a divorce and get an new life.
Cole
http://www.pcworld.com/article/219901/sprint_wimax_lte.html#tk.rss_news
Oh well.
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Unless you plan on using your EVO for the next 4-5 years , i dont think it really matters. If/when they make this move, there will be plenty of phones to come out that will support the new network. I doubt anyone will still have their EVO's /Epic's by the time this actually comes to reality.
Supposedly the wimax radio could be flashed to support LTE per shinzul and the wimax thread.
this might explain why:
a. the 'featured' echo doesn't have wimax
b. the $10 premium fee for non wimax phones
i think that sprint will discontinue the production of wimax phones and wait for the deployment of lte before they release any new 4g phones. if that turns out to be the case, i don't care if they release a evo with a quad core cpu and 8 gigs of ram. there's no way i'm going to stick around with only sprint's absolutely pathetic 3g.
i also doubt that the evo will be hackable to use lte. what about authentication? lte is supposed to use sims. no way the evo will be able to connect even if some clever hackers get the radio itself to be compatible.
Doesn't bother me too much. Yes, I enjoy the speeds of WiMax, but the battery drain is too much of an issue.
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this might explain why:
a. the 'featured' echo doesn't have wimax
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i think that sprint will discontinue the production of wimax phones and wait for the deployment of lte before they release any new 4g phones. if that turns out to be the case, i don't care if they release a evo with a quad core cpu and 8 gigs of ram. there's no way i'm going to stick around with only sprint's absolutely pathetic 3g.
i also doubt that the evo will be hackable to use lte. what about authentication? lte is supposed to use sims. no way the evo will be able to connect even if some clever hackers get the radio itself to be compatible.
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Makes sense, also could explain why we haven't heard about an EVO 2. They could be trying to figure out how to apply a triband radio up in the phone.
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i also doubt that the evo will be hackable to use lte. what about authentication? lte is supposed to use sims. no way the evo will be able to connect even if some clever hackers get the radio itself to be compatible.
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Well obviously it wouldn't be a hackers hack it'd have to be a Sprint flash of some sort. I am not saying its even plausible more of food for thought.
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this might explain why:
a. the 'featured' echo doesn't have wimax
b. the $10 premium fee for non wimax phones
i think that sprint will discontinue the production of wimax phones and wait for the deployment of lte before they release any new 4g phones. if that turns out to be the case, i don't care if they release a evo with a quad core cpu and 8 gigs of ram. there's no way i'm going to stick around with only sprint's absolutely pathetic 3g.
i also doubt that the evo will be hackable to use lte. what about authentication? lte is supposed to use sims. no way the evo will be able to connect even if some clever hackers get the radio itself to be compatible.
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I'm not so sure about that, I've seen some mean hacks here in the community, we have good talent here that work hard (and free) to get the most out of our devices so.....I hope our Devs here will do something to keep the EVO alive as the did with the Vogue.
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I'm not so sure about that, I've seen some mean hacks here in the community, we have good talent here that work hard (and free) to get the most out of our devices so.....I hope our Devs here will do something to keep the EVO alive as the did with the Vogue.
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Not so sure about that. WiMax currently require some form of key/pw authentication with Clear to connect. LTE on Sprint will probably require SIM cards to connect, like Metro PCS does even as CDMA network. I don't see how they (or even Sprint themselves) will get around that issue. It'd probably be as futile as trying to connect with AT&T's/Verizon's LTE network with a hacked WiMax radio.
Ok sprint will have wimax and lte dual so that good thing imaging and evo 2 with rev b for 3g 1xadvance and wimax and lte omg and being coverd with that much technology
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Good I better get my $10.00/mo back
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Supposedly the wimax radio could be flashed to support LTE per shinzul and the wimax thread.
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No, the TOWERS can be fairly easily converted. No phone can be unless explicitly designed for that (like Qualcomm GoBi data chips).
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really? that would be awesome if one of the devs can get wimax radio flashed to verizon's LTE
I hope Sprint Goes LTE - The Verizon LTE speeds look awesome
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this might explain why:
a. the 'featured' echo doesn't have wimax
b. the $10 premium fee for non wimax phones
i think that sprint will discontinue the production of wimax phones and wait for the deployment of lte before they release any new 4g phones. if that turns out to be the case, i don't care if they release a evo with a quad core cpu and 8 gigs of ram. there's no way i'm going to stick around with only sprint's absolutely pathetic 3g.
i also doubt that the evo will be hackable to use lte. what about authentication? lte is supposed to use sims. no way the evo will be able to connect even if some clever hackers get the radio itself to be compatible.
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with speeds under 200 kbps there is absolutely no phone in the world that would make me wanna stay with sprint.
Boy,if this is true they will be losing customers like crazy come this summer.
The story was on Engadget the other week. Technically, the Sprint network guy said it was being evaluated for six months...but with no new Wimax phones on tap for the next six months (that we know of), the conclusion will be the same at the end of six months as it is now.
If they are going to make the move, then throw the switch, and have a plan in place to get us off of our EVO's (and them off of their Epics), even if it's three months out, because then that class action thread that's out there may start looking real good and actually get five stars.
Note: If all that's needed is to switch out the baseband cards and run a firmware update, that would mean that Wimax would have to get turned off, because it's the Wimax equipment that's getting the upgrade. So this won't be a side by side Wimax/LTE network. It's either or...right???
i hope not...
LTE will be bad for cost conscience customers.
LTE is carrier's wetdream... consumers nightmare.
Good riddance? Wimax is a joke in my area (metro Atlanta), to this day I can barely connect to Wimax from inside my house and the coverage map "according to Sprint" shows my area lit up with Wimax. I have to stand by my second story window in my house to connect to it and the connection is "poor", Hell its poor when I go outside.
Love the phone itself though.
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i hope not...
LTE will be bad for cost conscience customers.
LTE is carrier's wetdream... consumers nightmare.
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How so? If it's what I think...network access can be controlled just as easily on a Wimax network as on a LTE network. It's all IP traffic. Verizon just chooses to control it.
Looks like Sprint's getting ready to deploy LTE. What does everyone think?
http://www.bgr.com/2011/06/17/sprint-to-deploy-4g-lte-network-with-lightsquared/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-17/falcone-s-lightsquared-venture-reaches-a-15-year-network-deal-with-sprint.html
Last i heard, LightSquared was told by the FCC they weren't allowed to broadcast because they were overpowering civilian and aviation GPS units. Has this issue been resolved? A 15 year deal ain't worth squat if you can't turn on the juice!!
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Last i heard, LightSquared was told by the FCC they weren't allowed to broadcast because they were overpowering civilian and aviation GPS units. Has this issue been resolved? A 15 year deal ain't worth squat if you can't turn on the juice!!
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Yeah, thats what I'm worried about, I wish/hope its as easy as a change of a frequency channel.
I"m sure they will iron those wrinkles before flipping the switch.
It would be like Sprint to throw its weight behind a technology that is failed, different or inferior. WiMAX isn't exactly inferior to LTE, but the 2.5 GHz band it relies on most certainly is inferior to the 700 MHz band that Verizon's LTE uses.
Ok, so lets say they deploy this 4g lte network... what happens to their 4g wimax network? From what little I know about wimax and lte chipsets, I dont think it would be possible for a firmware upgrade to turn wimax to lte. What happens to clear? One important thing to remember is that I didnt actually read the article so these questions may already be answered. haha.
Although, if my evo became a 3g only device, I would actually be ok with that if they drop the $10 a month surcharge
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It would be like Sprint to throw its weight behind a technology that is failed, different or inferior. WiMAX isn't exactly inferior to LTE, but the 2.5 GHz band it relies on most certainly is inferior to the 700 MHz band that Verizon's LTE uses.
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Words straight out of my mouth.
is there a resource that lists open frequency ranges?
Could the new radio(SMR) thats in the evo 3d work on this frequency and be a dual wimax/lte combo?
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"The company can use LightSquared’s network to lessen the load on its own network as data demand has skyrocketed, an issue that has plagued other carriers. "
It sounds like they will be using them for backhaul, I don't see anything about Sprint using LTE. Right now backhaul is what Sprint is lacking so this will be a good thing for not just 4G but 3G speeds.
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here is a chart..
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf
I assume any potential move to lte will address wimax's inferior latency?
Sprint end users will NOT use LTE most likely ever. Sprint (the provider service) will utilize LTE strickly for back haul only. This is a very good thing for us the end user, basically means to us that we will have lots of bandwidth on tap. Wimax offers up to 12MB d/l transport speeds which most of us probably never see anyway. I personally get 7-8 around Baltimore/Annapolis areas of Maryland and this will hopefully allows us to have the bandwidth assuming more towers are deployed for our cell connectivity. This is a very good thing for us and the sooner the better!
sounds like lte will come later on firat is evdo rev o then rev a then rev b then do then do advance then lte
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I have spoken to my sprint rep a lot about how Sprint works. He used to work for Samsung and distributed phones to carriers in the northeastern part of the united states. Because of this, he learned a lot about Sprint. One thing that he learned was that Sprint has the most bandwidth out of all the carriers, and it is one of the main reasons why theory data is truly unlimited.
Just throwing that out there.
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"The company can use LightSquared’s network to lessen the load on its own network as data demand has skyrocketed, an issue that has plagued other carriers. "
It sounds like they will be using them for backhaul, I don't see anything about Sprint using LTE. Right now backhaul is what Sprint is lacking so this will be a good thing for not just 4G but 3G speeds.
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It talks about Sprint using LTE in the third paragraph of the Bloomberg article.
“LightSquared and Sprint will jointly develop, deploy and operate LightSquared’s 4G LTE network,” according to the letter. “Sprint will become a significant customer of LightSquared’s 4G LTE network.”
Yet more money wasted on Wimax and shoveled into another bad relationship (Clearwire) Stay comfy in number 3 because you're going to be seated here a while, Sprint. At the very least they woke up and realized LTE is the way to go.
However even after Clearwire's long gone. Those who already have Wimax 4g will still be supported until after their devices are long gone. The only ones who will be bit will be the ones that should have upgraded lone ago. Like the ones today who are still carrying around Cingular phones refusing to upgrade to AT&T So at least Sprint will keep their core customers happy to an extent.
Sprint desperate to jump into the LTE iPhone train next year?
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What good is backhaul when the airwaves can't reach end users?
It's like having a download server capable of gigabit speed, along with an ISP who can deliver it to you. Except you're saddled with a 1991-vintage 10 Mbps ethernet card.
That's the problem I've been noticing with WiMAX. Sprint has one hell of a data network, but the airwaves used to deliver that network are congested and not well suited to the consumer's needs.
I wonder how likely it is that an upcoming Galaxy 2 or Photon 4G will be LTE / Wimax on Sprint...
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/sprint-will-deploy-lte-advanced-first-half-2013/2011-10-25
Though 12-15 mbits/sec seems a little slow for LTE-Advanced considering that's what Verizon has now. What will standard LTE be on Sprint?
xboxfanj said:
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/sprint-will-deploy-lte-advanced-first-half-2013/2011-10-25
Though 12-15 mbits/sec seems a little slow for LTE-Advanced considering that's what Verizon has now. What will standard LTE be on Sprint?
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Give me a break...we don't even have 4G yet or Gingerbread yet.
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http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/sprint-will-deploy-lte-advanced-first-half-2013/2011-10-25
Though 12-15 mbits/sec seems a little slow for LTE-Advanced considering that's what Verizon has now. What will standard LTE be on Sprint?
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That's what you will get in the 800mhz band. With a 5x5 which is the best they can do, you should get 5mhz*(5bits/hz) = 25mbps for regular LTE then something better for LTE advanced. Just FYI, Speed = Bandwidth * Spectral efficiency (for regular lte 5 bits/hz). So they are prbably going to deploy regular LTE in the 1900mhz band in 10x10 (or 10mhz up / 10mhz down) which should give us a theoretical max speed of (10Mhz)*(5bits/hz)= 50 mbps.
lorenza said:
Give me a break...we don't even have 4G yet or Gingerbread yet.
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Sprint does not equal Epic. The dept. handling the Epic and the OTA is not the same handling the hardware network upgrades. I am sure they have more than 1 tech employee (although there are times it doesn't seem that way lol).
The Epic is such a tiny percentage of Sprint and am sure they could care less whether we get the OTA or not. I also think they will not be upgrading anymore towers with WImax with LTE coming.
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lynyrd65 said:
That's what you will get in the 800mhz band. With a 5x5 which is the best they can do, you should get 5mhz*(5bits/hz) = 25mbps for regular LTE then something better for LTE advanced. Just FYI, Speed = Bandwidth * Spectral efficiency (for regular lte 5 bits/hz). So they are prbably going to deploy regular LTE in the 1900mhz band in 10x10 (or 10mhz up / 10mhz down) which should give us a theoretical max speed of (10Mhz)*(5bits/hz)= 50 mbps.
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I'd suggest you look at the article. It says they will deploy LTE Advanced in a 10x10 configuration. Given LTE Advanced has spectral efficiency near 15 bitz/hz, it should have a theoretical max of 150mhz.
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kennyglass123 said:
Sprint does not equal Epic. The dept. handling I also think they will not be upgrading anymore towers with WImax with LTE coming.
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Technically, Sprint doesn't even own, operate, or handle the towers that have WiMax - those are all owned by ClearWire, which has major financial issues, especially with Sprint cutting their losses on them.
ClearWire estimates it needs 150-300 million to maintain their current WiMax network, without even expanding or doing LTE. They estimate it will take 600 million to upgrade to LTE Advanced and start rolling out to more areas.
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Give me a break...we don't even have 4G yet or Gingerbread yet.
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I talked to Sprint about the fact that I've been told we would have 4 g in Phoenix over a year ago and still don't and was told we will not get it because Sprint is going LTE next year. And thats even if they put it here. So if you don't have 4g yet don't count in ever having it and just hope you actually get Or next year. In the mean time I dont pay premium data charges cause I don't get what I pay for. They credit me. It took a while but I got it done.
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kennyglass123 said:
Sprint does not equal Epic. The dept. handling the Epic and the OTA is not the same handling the hardware network upgrades. I am sure they have more than 1 tech employee (although there are times it doesn't seem that way lol).
The Epic is such a tiny percentage of Sprint and am sure they could care less whether we get the OTA or not. I also think they will not be upgrading anymore towers with WImax with LTE coming.
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Agreed, but Sprint does equal Nextel and having LTE on the 1900 Mhz band (in 2013 mind you) isn't going to increase the signal penetration any better then it is right now. If Sprint got their head out of the a$$ a few years ago and started phasing out the ~850 Mhz Nextel people and put LTE on that band, they'd be able equal to Verizon/AT&T right now instead of in last place with the crappy Q3 report that was just released (another $300 million in the hole). Clearwire stock is still sitting under $2 a share with the other pending issue of Lightsquared GPS issue for which their solution is still not approved by the FCC.
Even know the iPhone might help them somewhat in this quarter, I'm hearing that data on 3G is crawling in many places right now, I can't wait to see how this situation ends.
Sprint's long term future is on very shaking ground right now, IMO, it hurts them to keep choosing the wrong technology to back. Before it was Nextel, now it WiMax tomorrow it will be...
P.S. It also doesn't help them after all of their eff ups to not support their phones or adequately test them before release, the Epic is one big Cluster F...
I just want some 4G period. Sprint better be rolling out LTE to the markets that don't even have Wi-Max first. I live in the biggest metro area in the state, and don't have Wi-Max, meanwhile some of the Podunk towns elsewhere do. WTH. Verizon has already announced LTE will be up here next month.
I'm not a supporter of Sprint any more than the next guy. The only thing that keeps me around is the cheap price, quantity of minutes, and unlimited data. If any of those budges I would be gone.
Aside, I know Network Vision really is thrown around by a lot of people here (and maybe too much by some who don't have technical engineering backgrounds), but it's really a bold move by Sprint.
They're putting out Software Defined Radios on all new cell towers, something Verizon isn't doing in their LTE move.
Essentially, this will enable the move of LTE Advanced to be a software upgrade, rather than a full hardware change-out. I'd imagine they're waiting until 2013 so they can roll this out on the valuable 850Mhz nationwide iDen spectrum.
The 1900 Mhz will probably be restricted to CDMA Legacy operation. Sprint will concentrate their valuable 800 and 850 Mhz holding on the long-distance LTE / LTE Advanced.
MikeyLee said:
I talked to Sprint about the fact that I've been told we would have 4 g in Phoenix over a year ago and still don't and was told we will not get it because Sprint is going LTE next year. And thats even if they put it here. So if you don't have 4g yet don't count in ever having it and just hope you actually get Or next year. In the mean time I dont pay premium data charges cause I don't get what I pay for. They credit me. It took a while but I got it done.
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Tell me how you got out of the premium data fee? I have spent probably 15 minutes total time on 4g in almost a year of having this phone. My 3g speeds are crap as well
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jnadke said:
I'm not a supporter of Sprint any more than the next guy. The only thing that keeps me around is the cheap price, quantity of minutes, and unlimited data. If any of those budges I would be gone.
Aside, I know Network Vision really is thrown around by a lot of people here (and maybe too much by some who don't have technical engineering backgrounds), but it's really a bold move by Sprint.
They're putting out Software Defined Radios on all new cell towers, something Verizon isn't doing in their LTE move.
Essentially, this will enable the move of LTE Advanced to be a software upgrade, rather than a full hardware change-out. I'd imagine they're waiting until 2013 so they can roll this out on the valuable 850Mhz nationwide iDen spectrum.
The 1900 Mhz will probably be restricted to CDMA Legacy operation. Sprint will concentrate their valuable 800 and 850 Mhz holding on the long-distance LTE / LTE Advanced.
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According to this and my attached screen shot:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/07/sprints-lte-plans-detailed-phones-tablets-and-modems-coming-b/
Sprint said that they will be adding LTE to the 1900 Mhz first, iDEN won't even begin to shutdown to the end of 2013, who knows how many months or years after they are off that band will they start to recycle the 850Mhz frequencies. Sprint didn't mention any of this at the Strategy Update event so it's not even official what they are doing with the 850Mhz range. They may end up selling it, to the highest bidder just to bail out Clearwire!
The software firmware change-out plan is cool if it works but they still have to get through supporting Clearwire, they need about 150-300 million dollars to stay afloat, no one else is footing that bill at the moment. If the FCC shoots down lightsquared proposed GPS fix, say goodbye to at least a portion of the 1500 Mhz spectrum.
Meanwhile more and more people are leaving Sprint, if they can't stabilize 3G for the iPhone users even more people are going to leave next year and what's the point of unlimited data if you can't access it. My Epic takes a good 2 to 3 minutes to populate my facebook feed via 3G with full bars, wifi takes a few seconds so it's not solely the phones problem.
I guess the bottom line is sure, Sprint has some plans in the future 2+ years down the line, at that point Sprint might be the carrier to beat, but they do have some GIGANTIC barriers to overcome first and the 2 big ones are Clearwire and 3G being stretched too thinly, the more iPhone users that pop up the more congested their network will become, it's a blessing and a curse that the iPhone doesn't have a Wimax radio onboard. It would have at the very least, lesson the congestion on the 3G bands...
jnadke said:
They're putting out Software Defined Radios on all new cell towers, something Verizon isn't doing in their LTE move.
Essentially, this will enable the move of LTE Advanced to be a software upgrade, rather than a full hardware change-out. I'd imagine they're waiting until 2013 so they can roll this out on the valuable 850Mhz nationwide iDen spectrum.
The 1900 Mhz will probably be restricted to CDMA Legacy operation. Sprint will concentrate their valuable 800 and 850 Mhz holding on the long-distance LTE / LTE Advanced.
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While Sprint is using Software Defined Radios, the idea of it being just a software upgrade to change things is a bit overstated. Potentially, future upgrades will also require a card swipe out as well, but still, a lot less upgrading will be needed in comparison to what they do now. If everything on that end was just software, why wouldn't they do Rev. B for their CDMA channels, as it would use the spectrum even more efficiently for the devices out there that already support it? Perhaps there is licensing to pay for using it?
Actually, the way they stated things at their Oct. 7th announcement, CDMA will be on 850mhz over time, and 1900mhz will be their LTE, although they'll eventually probably use both on both frequencies. Sprint holds more spectrum in the 1900mhz block than they do in the 850mhz (about 36mhz vs 14 mhz). Sprint needs both.