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Why Nexus One Was Leapfrogged by HTC Incredible and Evo 4G

Google Exec Hints at Why Nexus One Was Leapfrogged by HTC Incredible, Evo 4G
http://googlewatch.eweek.com/content/android_vs_iphone/google_exec_hints_at_why_nexus_one_was_leapfrogged_by_htc_incredible_evo_4g.html
"Nexus One isn't a failure so much as a casualty of the success of the next wave of Android smartphones. In a few months, I'm sure we'll be saying the same things about the Incredible and the Evo 4G."
Some people may be bothered with this, but I am happy with my Nexus One. I have no buyers remorse.

I don't view my N1 as obsolete in any way at all and am quite happy with it, it's no worse than the Incredible and all aspects of the device ooze performance

phones are starting to become like computers now. as soon as you buy one a new and better one comes out tomorrow.
and what sucks about is...you're suck with a 2 year contract.

So adding two features equals "leapfrogged" now?
What a load of crap. Who has FroYo now? Yeah, that's what I thought.

I always f*cking hate these posts. I really don't want to hear doom and gloom.

Definitely don't feel any remorse.
My phone is JUST as good as the ones that are coming out NOW.
Yea, 8MP cam + dual flash, but cmon, the pictures are hardly better.
Plus the nexus LOOKS better than both of those.

mortzz said:
So adding two features equals "leapfrogged" now?
What a load of crap. Who has FroYo now? Yeah, that's what I thought.
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SERIOUSLY, people are rediculous....... I stayed with DDR400 until DDR32000 came out because it was a serious step up...... There is nothing that screams "OH MY GOD INNOVATION" about either phone..... My next phone will be when my Nexus no longer has the NAND capacity for the current Android version. I love my Nexus

i'm with mortzz on this one. we have a phone that we can do whatever we want to do to it. i'd MUCH rather have this. i'm on the fence about the evo, but until we can get real system access (yeah, i saw the root article, but i'll believe it when i see it), custom ROM's, etc, i'll stick with the N1. which, btw, is STILL the sexiest phone i've ever seen. girl i'm seeing has the incredible, and...no thanks. not in comparison. it's a nice phone, if you have to have verizon. but, i don't
i do however have to get a sprint device. so...i may have to break contract with tmo and get the evo. otherwise, my school is going to stick me with the freaking touch pro 2 as my pager. lord what a step back that will be. but, at least if i take that, i can keep my N1

Uh. What?
Incredible and Evo won't get FroYo until the end of this year.
How about we come back to this article then so we can point and laugh?

Having root >>>> anything else.
Have any high-end phones since the Nexus achieved full root? I mean cracked bootloader and all. Desire, Legend, new Droids - none have the kind of access we do. Heck, we may have the best fully root-able hardware HTC will ever release.

I dont think the Incredible is any better than the N1, i've played witht he incredible and it feels cheap plastic like and the camera sucks as well. I like the feel of the N1 and like the looks of it. The Evo is a whole different story...

timothydonohue said:
i'm with mortzz on this one. we have a phone that we can do whatever we want to do to it. i'd MUCH rather have this. i'm on the fence about the evo, but until we can get real system access (yeah, i saw the root article, but i'll believe it when i see it), custom ROM's, etc, i'll stick with the N1. which, btw, is STILL the sexiest phone i've ever seen. girl i'm seeing has the incredible, and...no thanks. not in comparison. it's a nice phone, if you have to have verizon. but, i don't
i do however have to get a sprint device. so...i may have to break contract with tmo and get the evo. otherwise, my school is going to stick me with the freaking touch pro 2 as my pager. lord what a step back that will be. but, at least if i take that, i can keep my N1
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They have "root" meaning they have su permissions. AFAIK they don't have write permissions to the partitions, so it's pretty worthless.

Only thing i regret about my Nexus One is that apparently the Desire and Incredible both have touchscreens that fixed the multitouch issues.
Other than that the idea of having basically a google developement phone surpasses any of the other current phones, maybe when we see a decent hardware upgrade, then it will be a different story, but hopefully Google continues to make new Nexus phones.

FISKER_Q said:
Only thing i regret about my Nexus One is that apparently the Desire and Incredible both have touchscreens that fixed the multitouch issues.
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The Desire has the same issues: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVlsRCMltDg

Paul22000 said:
The Desire has the same issues: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVlsRCMltDg
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That is sad. So they have the same MT issue as us, a much smaller dev front, usb-bricking issues while flashing roms, no full solution for being rooted/unlocked...took htc ages to release the kernel...they won't see froyo for ages (officially).
Not much to be ... wait for it... desired

Paul22000 said:
The Desire has the same issues: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVlsRCMltDg
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How many points does a Galaxy register again? I'm guessing more than 2

In the UK, the N1/Desire is still the King. Desire = UK incredible, but is LITERALLY an N1, and I doubt we will ever see the Evo here [not even a whisp of 4g network].
Even if they did, all the incredible has is the less buggy touch matrix, although this has been nicely 'fixed' in froyo. The evo is a different breed of phone, id never buy it purely based on the fact that i like thinks to fit in my pocket xD
Until I see a snapgradon 1.3+, 1GB RAM, a TRUE 8mp+ cam, froyo, new gen OLED/better, my N1 can sleep with my girl any day.

that makes two of us i love man I LOVE MY NEXUS ONE

the video is @ livestream.com/disrupt/video?clipId=pla_cfa02640-01dd-4ac5-bba9-a2a2b0feee24

haha my friend was a tad jealous of me. he has the Hero and i like his sense ui. but the minute froyo came out, i installed it. i showed him how i can play hulu, i showed him that i got live wallpapers (of course he doesn't have 2.1) and the rest of the froyo goodness. and outta jealousy, he was like "oh well im gonna get a phone thats better than that. im give to get the Evo 4G that has everything the nexus one has and more, including Android 2.2" and i was like "riiiiight. just like the hero was supposed to (officially) get 2.1 right?" and he stood quiet lol idk about all of you guys but i don't really care for 2 led lights. im good with just one. as for 4G, i like to have the freedom to switch between my N1, my BB Curve 8310, and my iPhone 3GS with the simple swap of a SIM card so im great with my Sexy Nexy

First day using Desire..

First day using my new Desire today...thought i would post my thoughts as i was very hesitant i would be impressed with it vs my awesome Hero!
Firstly the speed of the Desire is phenomenal! I mean the Hero isn't slow and, if anything, is getting faster with every new rom but this thing is like rapid in all aspects!
The screen is beautiful! Again the Hero is really good but the AMOLED on the Desire is far better than i anticipated!
Build quality wise the thing is solid - iPhone esq (never had an iPhone myself) Hero is put together fantastically well too but the Desire is another level!
But finally....i miss my Hero not sold it yet and i'm not sure how long it will take me to 'let go' lol...when i do R.I.P my Hero, best phone i ever had! And major kudos and thanks to all the devs for their ongoing work with making the Hero dev scene the best around (controversial i'm sure lol) hope to see some of you guys over in the Desire dev scene one day
Peace out!

Nice post. Enjoy TRAITOR! Rofl, I kid.

Detol Loki said:
Nice post. Enjoy TRAITOR! Rofl, I kid.
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Lol ta G....i need to overcome my mental block and sell the Hero but am hesitant to flash Desire due to bricking issues! Will keep my ear in on the Hero tho!

should have waited bit longer... desires old now.

-2y2k- said:
should have waited bit longer... desires old now.
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Are there any new UK handsets due for release anytime soon? EVO and Incredible are only for US, so atm Desire is the best bet lol.

-2y2k- said:
should have waited bit longer... desires old now.
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Nah, am happy with it...not feeling the Evo 4G and the Desire with keyboard (forgive me i forget the name) is just a Desire with a keyboard?? Plus i get free upgrade in November so can go again

Wrong forum?

I have similar experience with my almost 2 weeks old Desire.
I'm glad to see that there is a huge community developing for the Hero, making it much faster and much more usable. But the speed of the Desire (and perhaps other Android phones with newer hardwares) is just way way way faster than the Hero can ever be, and the larger screen makes the touch screen keyboard much better.
Having said that, I do think the Desire look a bit dull on the design. I like the way the Hero and the Legend look... I wish they had made the Legend with a bigger screen and put the Snapdragon in it. But the speed of the Desire just make the phone much more usable and enjoyable to use, and it is really hard to go back to use my Hero.

why not the nexus one??

if you don't feel like selling your hero, you can gift it to one of your favoured hero dev so he can use it as a development device

-2y2k- said:
why not the nexus one??
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because the desire is basically a better version of the nexus one

poddo said:
if you don't feel like selling your hero, you can gift it to one of your favoured hero dev so he can use it as a development device
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+1
or just stick to it since its still awesome!

Nexus one envy

So I just played with an N1 for the very first time and must say I wish this phone had come to Sprint as planned a few months back.
While I love my Evo there's just something about the N1 I like more. The trackball for notifications is wicked and the size is just right. I love the size of the screen on Evo but after all this time I still can't get comfortable using it as a phone.
Anyone else wish the Nexus were available as a cdma?
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Ehh... anything less than 4.3 is small to me now and I love my forward camera
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fchipm said:
So I just played with an N1 for the very first time and must say I wish this phone had come to Sprint as planned a few months back.
While I love my Evo there's just something about the N1 I like more. The trackball for notifications is wicked and the size is just right. I love the size of the screen on Evo but after all this time I still can't get comfortable using it as a phone.
Anyone else wish the Nexus were available as a cdma?
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Nexus/Evo same phone pretty much. The nexus has a amoled display and stock Android 2.2. Other than that the Evo is the same thing as the nexus pretty much just with a few upgrades and extras when it comes to hardware, so in actuality, you sort of already have a nexus one sort of on steroids
Sent from my DAMN Evo!!

Wait until the N2 comes out then you'll really have phone envy. That thing is prime to be a benchmark just as the N1 was

I had the nexus 1 and gave it to my girlfriend when the evo came out. I am a sense lover so i liked the evo a lot when it came out. Stable Sense wasnt ported to the n1 at that time. Now though whenever i hold my girls n1 i am envious. It feels perfect in the hand. Yes i like the trackball too. great for typos in the middle of a sentence. all the different trackball notifications are great too. A differnt color for every scenario. i loved the N1 docks (home and car) too. The only thing i disliked about the n1 was the screen. While it looked great indoors, outside you couldnt see anything, I mean nothing at all. It was like the screen was turned off. the N1 has some crazy talented devs too. Cant wait till next week. Hopefully the Nexus 2 rumor isnt a rumor and it'll be available with gingerbread next week.

Yeah I felt the N1 its nice in hand but once you go 4.3 you cant go back.

I would give up my Evo for a Nexus One any day... I love that phone!!! =)
Still wish I could have one, but they are really hard to find and quite expensive! Even after all this time!

ImmortalLuD said:
I would give up my Evo for a Nexus One any day... I love that phone!!! =)
Still wish I could have one, but they are really hard to find and quite expensive! Even after all this time!
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you cant still get them new?

nugzo said:
I had the nexus 1 and gave it to my girlfriend when the evo came out. I am a sense lover so i liked the evo a lot when it came out. Stable Sense wasnt ported to the n1 at that time. Now though whenever i hold my girls n1 i am envious. It feels perfect in the hand. Yes i like the trackball too. great for typos in the middle of a sentence. all the different trackball notifications are great too. A differnt color for every scenario. i loved the N1 docks (home and car) too. The only thing i disliked about the n1 was the screen. While it looked great indoors, outside you couldnt see anything, I mean nothing at all. It was like the screen was turned off. the N1 has some crazy talented devs too. Cant wait till next week. Hopefully the Nexus 2 rumor isnt a rumor and it'll be available with gingerbread next week.
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The nexus 2 isn't coming out next week >< I read where it was just delayed due to hardware issues.
Besides, it's made by samsung...so IMO either get a nexus 1 or stick with the evo.
The Nexus2 or Nexus S so its called... will likely not hold a candle to either. All the hype from Samsung about the galaxy S phones and none of them are all the good.... in fact I think they are just now getting froyo.. imagine how long it will take for them to get gingerbread... if they ever do!
Sorry for the rant, but IMO there will never be another phone as good as the nexus1

nugzo said:
you cant still get them new?
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Hell no! These things have been harder to get than the Evo! =) Their prices on eBay are just INSANE. (At least for a new one... I want to smell that bad boy brand new!)

Rippley05 said:
The nexus 2 isn't coming out next week >< I read where it was just delayed due to hardware issues.
Besides, it's made by samsung...so IMO either get a nexus 1 or stick with the evo.
The Nexus2 or Nexus S so its called... will likely not hold a candle to either. All the hype from Samsung about the galaxy S phones and none of them are all the good.... in fact I think they are just now getting froyo.. imagine how long it will take for them to get gingerbread... if they ever do!
Sorry for the rant, but IMO there will never be another phone as good as the nexus1
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I'm with ya. I'm fairly anti-samsung when it comes to Android phones. They just feel cheap and have always had very limited support by the development community and Samsung themselves. Not very experienced with moto androids but HTC builds a pretty reliable Android phone.
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dglowe343 said:
I'm with ya. I'm fairly anti-samsung when it comes to Android phones. They just feel cheap and have always had very limited support by the development community and Samsung themselves. Not very experienced with moto androids but HTC builds a pretty reliable Android phone.
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+1 I love HTC phones, I will say that sometimes their build quality feels rushed.. but they pump out a lot of phones. My hero and evo have had great DEV support and HTC does a pretty decent job with updates.
Samsung, IMO, is the worst when it comes to quality, dev support and updates... it's just not a good idea to have samsung make a 2nd generation nexus IMO... so so sad

i cant say i like the galaxy series, the epic feels cheap and somewhat clunky to me, htc phones have their problems as well but i'd take htc over sammy any day, it seems crazy that just a few years ago htc was selling great phones left and right and still reporting quarterly losses, now they seem to be doing better then ever and it looks like they are really starting to step it up when it comes to developing sense, hopefully they will only pick up more steam

I had the nexus one the day it came out..payed the 529 plus tax n was loving it..it was a very snappy phone running cyanogen 5..update were awesome..trackball notificatons were cool..but basically the evo is the big brother of the nexus one..evo is the ROOT of HTC
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I tried out the nexus one for 30 days on at&t early this year when I was still an iphone user and must say the N1 is the DAMN SEXIEST PHONE EVER MADE! I ended up sending mine back because I couldn't justify spending $500+ on a phone. Even though I still miss the hell out of that phone I'm not sure I could get up my evo's bigger screen and 4G data.
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The botched touch screen was a serious deal breaker for me with the Nexus. I had one for a while, and I liked it, but I can't go less than 4.3 now. I just can't.

The only thing I love about the N1 is the fact that it gets lightning fast updates.

Engadget just posted an article starting the nexus one will be getting gingerbread in the next few days! That is one thing to admire about it

What about the kickstand! If the nexus had a kickstand and front facing camera .... oh boy I would be tempted to get it. (Again) had the nexus before got bored of vanilla. Just flash cyanogen 6.1 on the evo. There you go you have a nexus minus the trackball. I mean if I had a nexus that's the rom I would run. Might as well. Same same.

magicriggs said:
What about the kickstand! If the nexus had a kickstand and front facing camera ....
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Ugh, what a useless feature for me. Just something else to wipe off and worry about not being scratched. I would much rather have a trackball!

Captivate to Inspire to Atrix to Inspire to Captivate to Inspire to Atrix!

I believe I am one of those sad people addicted to devices and unable to make a decision. Im back on the Atrix. Its the best of the lot. Period.
Am I alone here?

ekerbuddyeker said:
I believe I am one of those sad people addicted to devices and unable to make a decision. Im back on the Atrix. Its the best of the lot. Period.
Am I alone here?
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You are not alone. The last 6 months for me has included:
iPhone 3GS - Backflip - Blackberry Bold - iPhone 3GS - Nexus One - HTC Legend - iPhone 4 - Nexus One - iPhone 4 - Inspire 4G - Atrix 4G
Needless to say, my fiancée is going to kill me one of these days...

ekerbuddyeker said:
I believe I am one of those sad people addicted to devices and unable to make a decision. Im back on the Atrix. Its the best of the lot. Period.
Am I alone here?
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I returned my atrix for an inspire the back to atrix lol not quite as bad but close.

Feel sorry for you guys.....do you have the same problems when buying a car or clothes?

Lmao me too but inwent from iPhone 4 to vibrant to LG quantum to inspire to atrix
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mgymnop said:
Feel sorry for you guys.....do you have the same problems when buying a car or clothes?
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Cars? Yes. I have owned almost 20 different vehicles in the last ten years.
Clothes? No. I still have some clothes that were "cool" in the 90's.

I've been saying those other phones dont come close for a while. The Captivate is garbage with it's broken GPS and laggy file sytem and Samsungs poor support. I returned mine after 2 weeks. The Inspire is nice but it's an old design with god awfull battery life. The Atrix is the best phone you can buy right now.
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Oh dont get me started about the last 6 months. Add in the Aria, iphone 4, HD2 modified to run anything, blackberrys and a host of others.
im stil wandering around with all 3 devices in my bag. Inspire has Sense which is the best email and contacts software. Captivate.. I love the screen and the camera and video and audio apps are fantastic. Atrix becuase its a generation ahead of those 2 devices and has the best battery life. Im going crazy from it. Dont get me started on what I am going to do when that 4.5 inch screen Samsung hits.
One thing I like about the Atrix is that I CANNOT change the ROM. saves me HOURS of wasted time and allows me to go to sleep before 3am. I am a device and ROM junkie.

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Oh dont get me started about the last 6 months. Add in the Aria, iphone 4, HD2 modified to run anything, blackberrys and a host of others.
im stil wandering around with all 3 devices in my bag. Inspire has Sense which is the best email and contacts software. Captivate.. I love the screen and the camera and video and audio apps are fantastic. Atrix becuase its a generation ahead of those 2 devices and has the best battery life. Im going crazy from it. Dont get me started on what I am going to do when that 4.5 inch screen Samsung hits.
One thing I like about the Atrix is that I CANNOT change the ROM. saves me HOURS of wasted time and allows me to go to sleep before 3am. I am a device and ROM junkie.
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Sleep? What's that?

I have an update available and I'm debating between the Inspire and Atrix. I want to load custom Roms and have control over my phone when I have it. But also would like the FF camera and HDMI output. What do you guys suggest?

Nexus One to Atrix?????
Hi, I have a Nexus One, Rooted, Modded, Changed, altered!, well you get the point. I'm considering getting the Atrix. Opinions?

Khoops66 said:
I have an update available and I'm debating between the Inspire and Atrix. I want to load custom Roms and have control over my phone when I have it. But also would like the FF camera and HDMI output. What do you guys suggest?
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Honestly? I would wait for a Bell/Rogers/Telus Nexus S if you plan on being on AT&T. I will probably end up picking one up when it gets released.

ekerbuddyeker said:
Oh dont get me started about the last 6 months. Add in the Aria, iphone 4, HD2 modified to run anything, blackberrys and a host of others.
im stil wandering around with all 3 devices in my bag. Inspire has Sense which is the best email and contacts software. Captivate.. I love the screen and the camera and video and audio apps are fantastic. Atrix becuase its a generation ahead of those 2 devices and has the best battery life. Im going crazy from it. Dont get me started on what I am going to do when that 4.5 inch screen Samsung hits.
One thing I like about the Atrix is that I CANNOT change the ROM. saves me HOURS of wasted time and allows me to go to sleep before 3am. I am a device and ROM junkie.
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this man speak the truth

Khoops66 said:
I have an update available and I'm debating between the Inspire and Atrix. I want to load custom Roms and have control over my phone when I have it. But also would like the FF camera and HDMI output. What do you guys suggest?
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The atrix look promising BUT The dock (ALL of them) require a Tether plan, soo that the fisrt thing to change. There is no ROM or bootloader aviable yet. I'm very interested on it for the same features you mention. The GPS is the best GPS that I have tested. I have a Nexus One, soo i'm in doubt.

Khoops66 said:
I have an update available and I'm debating between the Inspire and Atrix. I want to load custom Roms and have control over my phone when I have it. But also would like the FF camera and HDMI output. What do you guys suggest?
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live4nyy said:
Honestly? I would wait for a Bell/Rogers/Telus Nexus S if you plan on being on AT&T. I will probably end up picking one up when it gets released.
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Sorry, didn't realize at first you wanted to use your upgrade. Well, you can probably wait a couple months to see what else will be out this year. AT&T is planning on releasing like a dozen Android phones this year.

live4nyy said:
Sorry, didn't realize at first you wanted to use your upgrade. Well, you can probably wait a couple months to see what else will be out this year. AT&T is planning on releasing like a dozen Android phones this year.
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Is there any news related to a great new phone coming?

bioert said:
Is there any news related to a great new phone coming?
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Not yet, they don't want to take away any thunder from the recent releases but I hope AT&T finally decides to come out with a HIGH-END Android slider this year.

iPhone3gs - Xperia X10 - iPhone4 -HTC HD2 - Inspire 4g - iPhone4 - Atrix
That is the last 3 months or so.

Evo to iPhone 4 to captivate to focus to captivate to iPhone to captivate to nexus s to sell venue pro to nexus s to Atrix to iPhone to Atrix to iPhone. Lol. Last 6 months.
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bioert said:
Hi, I have a Nexus One, Rooted, Modded, Changed, altered!, well you get the point. I'm considering getting the Atrix. Opinions?
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I came to the Atrix from a rooted, modded, changed, altered Nexus One No regrets here. Honestly, I flashed a lot of ROMs with my N1 and if I never get to flash a full, true ROM with this phone, I don't care. I like it so much more than my Nexus. The screen (I can see the Atrix in the sunlight!), the size of the screen, the speed, touch sensitivity, etc. Plus I live in a strong AT&T area and do not have problems like some do.
I would like HSUPA enabled, but from what is floating around here, AT&T is supposed to be "turning on" HSUPA at some point.

thanks one and all

Just wanted to say i have been an avid lover of my hd2 and this site for the past 2 years.
Not sure i made the right choice but i have just bought an evo3d simply because it was cheap with changing my phone i have also changed my userid.
So i just wanted to say many thanks to all the wonderful members and developers here that have helped me and my phone flourish. This was my first ever phone and i cannot believe how good it was.
Thanks.

I also upgraded to a Galaxy Nexus. It's not the same as the HD2. It was a cult.
What did you do with your old HD2. Sell it?

hey mate i really liked the look of the nexus or the s2 but with all the hype about the quad cores i was going to wait. but the deal on the evo was too good really.
i sold my hd2 to a relation they are still selling on ebay for nearly 150 they are a good phone. i reckon i will end up buying it back off him soon.
what did you do with yours?

I still have it. It has the NexusHD2 ICS Beta10 on it and other than the fast battery drain, I actually like it more than my new Nexus. I like the heavy, solid feel and the hard buttons.
I will see how the new HTC Edge/Endeavor is received and I might upgrade.

Yea I just upgraded too, but got the Samsung Galaxy S II, miss my HD2 a little, had it since launch, but my power button was out and I didn't fill like cracking it open. I'll still flash it every so often, theres not many ROMS for this phone yet, but ICS is coming, sooooo.
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it is crazy with all these new phones. that we still keep our beloved hd2 closest to our hearts.
Truly the best phone i think i will ever own.

I still keep HD2 is my second phone, too.
It's my best phone until now

htc hd2 is rock. but i am plan tu buy new htc sensation xl. any suggestion about htc sensation xl?

Crippersz said:
htc hd2 is rock. but i am plan tu buy new htc sensation xl. any suggestion about htc sensation xl?
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It's the very good phone. I'm using it and don't have any complaint about it.

Agreed, Thanks to one and all!!!
I've only recently received by HD2 as a hand me down with win6.5
Took the plunge last night and put Nexus ICS CM9 on it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1434860
No probs so far.
From what I've read and searched, this little unit is going to be a rippa to work with - so looking forward to it.

I've been thinking about upgrading to a newer phone, but there are none that match the versatility of the HD2 yet! I don't know if we'll ever have another one as awesome either . I'm going to continue using my HD2 for the rest of the year, and buy the 2nd gen Xiaomi phone. It sounds like the closest thing to an HD2 follow-up to me.