I've been watching the preview video @ AndroidCentral I think they have covered the phone quite well.
There Neocore test show a score of 75 FPS - that 20 FPS more than the Samsung SGS/Vibrant.
Since the Samsung SGS/Vibrant comes with a PowerVR SGX 540 chipset (Device Magazine) which is the best out there along with 1GHz ARM Cortex A8 processor - whereas the Droid Pro comes with a PowerVR SGX 530 chipset (Motorola Developer site) how comes this baby is giving out a much better FPS rate?
Would like to hear your experienced views on this!
If you compare it the D2/D2G, DX, and Milestone 2 you will notice that the DP performance is better that those devices despite the same cpu/gpu combo(but less internal memory). So, from what I am reading most of it has to do with the lower HVGA screen vs the VGA screen of all aforementioned devices. Lower screen res means less work for the gpu.
Mackattack said:
If you compare it the D2/D2G, DX, and Milestone 2 you will notice that the DP performance is better that those devices despite the same cpu/gpu combo(but less internal memory). So, from what I am reading most of it has to do with the lower HVGA screen vs the VGA screen of all aforementioned devices. Lower screen res means less work for the gpu.
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This makes so much sense for improving battery life and plus what's the point on using such high res screens whereas the human eye can perceive only 200dpi.
Just a thought!
Personally I agree. It really makes me mad that I saw all these rave reviews on the Samsung Galaxy S phone's screens, but me personally I can't tell a difference between my Fascinate and my DPro, other than the fact the screen is smaller.
Maybe its time for me to see the eye doctor.
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So the Microsoft Surface Pro is using a 22nm i5 Intel Low Power Ultrabook Processor, all models of this processor have the Intel HD 4000 graphics processor integrated, I looked up the benchmarks for the Intel HD 4000 Graphics (http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-4000-Benchmarked.73567.0.html), and with the lowest model of the processor we should be able to play Starcraft 2 (and other games) at good FPS on low settings(Or at higher settings on a lower resolution)!
Personally I love this! :victory:
What do you guys think?
MrJandD said:
So the Microsoft Surface Pro is using a 22nm i5 Intel Low Power Ultrabook Processor, all models of this processor have the Intel HD 4000 graphics processor integrated, I looked up the benchmarks for the Intel HD 4000 Graphics (http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-4000-Benchmarked.73567.0.html), and with the lowest model of the processor we should be able to play Starcraft 2 (and other games) at good FPS on low settings(Or at higher settings on a lower resolution)!
Personally I love this! :victory:
What do you guys think?
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my acer w500 and its 1ghz c60 apu w ati radion 6290 graphics card can run starcraft 2 on low settings well
if the surface pro couldnt run starcraft 2 well on the same settings than there is gonna be a problem
luigi90210 said:
if the surface pro couldnt run starcraft 2 well on the same settings than there is gonna be a problem
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What problems? And Im speaking in the sense that it is running on 1920x1080, the w500 goes at a max of 1280×800. If the Surface ran at that res, it could probobly play medium at good FPS, or maybe even some high settings.
SC2/D3 on Surface
www[dot]youtube[dot]com/watch?v=r2HLgffmTZ0
Video of SC2 working on an i7 with HD4000 graphics, also D3 is in there. One thing to consider is that Blizzard games are traditionally very CPU heavy, and less so intense on the graphics card.
That being said, do all ultrabook i5's have HD4000? Because for the desktop, the 3770K is the ONLY model that has HD4000, the rest are HD2500 which is a significant downgrade.
It would be interesting to see SC2 run on the Surface. Im sure it would be able to run, but the experience wouldn't be as great as on a desktop with a decent graphics card.
MrJandD said:
So the Microsoft Surface Pro is using a 22nm i5 Intel Low Power Ultrabook Processor, all models of this processor have the Intel HD 4000 graphics processor integrated, I looked up the benchmarks for the Intel HD 4000 Graphics and with the lowest model of the processor we should be able to play Starcraft 2 (and other games) at good FPS on low settings(Or at higher settings on a lower resolution)!
Personally I love this! :victory:
What do you guys think?
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I guess it would be cool, but still needs a keyboard/mouse to play, so why not just a laptop?
Hello people,
My tablet has a Dual Mali 400, Cortex A9, 512 MB DDR3 and a 800 * 480 display resolution.
At first, the game menu appears rightly, like this: (please replace [DOT][US] with .us )
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But, when the game actually begins running, this is what i get:
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The problem is persistant with all HD games, while some of them work better, but the visual quality is disappointing. Do you know why the HD games won't display properly? Is it because of the poor resolution? Or the number of bits are the concern?
I'll appreciate any help
Waste
sabergeek said:
Hello people,
My tablet has a Dual Mali 400, Cortex A9, 512 MB DDR3 and a 800 * 480 display resolution.
At first, the game menu appears rightly, like this: (please replace [DOT][US] with .us )
imageshack[DOT][US]/a/img18/5295/screenshot2012122316173.png
But, when the game actually begins running, this is what i get:
imageshack[DOT][US]/a/img18/5295/screenshot2012122316173.png
The problem is persistant with all HD games, while some of them work better, but the visual quality is disappointing. Do you know why the HD games won't display properly? Is it because of the poor resolution? Or the number of bits are the concern?
I'll appreciate any help
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Even u had dual mali 400 it waste of gpu because to show HD quality atleast u need tablet with Dual core procesor , HD resolution (1280x720) and 1 GB ram to run smooth with HD android games
Hi to all!
Please write here your opinion why snap or octa better?
Not just bla-bla-bla, but real things and knowledge!!!
Thank you!
I've voted for Octa because I no need LTE and 4K video. So Octa is more interesting, modern, perspectiv. I hope it'll be less power consumption with same or better performance as Snap.
My reasons for Octa:
1. 4 powerful + 4 efficient cores which can work simultaneously -> better CPU performance and better battery life
2. More RAM available (2.72 GB vs 2.38 GB)
3. Better sound (Wolfson DAC vs Qualcomm DAC)
Pros of Snap which don't bother me:
1. LTE. We don't have LTE in Ukraine. IMHO, even with new Qualcomm QFE1100 chip LTE will drain more battery than GSM/UMTS. It just improves situation compare to other LTE solutions but GSM/UMTS operation is still superior in this regard.
2. 4K recording. Too large video files. I think 1080p 60fps is more important.
3. Supposedly better GPU performance. I don't play games.
Didn't know some countries or rather telecoms don't have LTE still. It'd be like going back 5 years, can't imagine tethering my tablet on 3G...
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slimslim said:
Didn't know some countries or rather telecoms don't have LTE still. It'd be like going back 5 years, can't imagine tethering my tablet on 3G...
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Our telecoms are bragging about LTE and we have covered 20% of the country. 5,6 towns have limited lte depends where you are and beside
that they are charging a lot for LTE. Mostly in Europe, Eastern countries doesnt have proper LTE but everyone are using Snap version still...
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My reasons for Octa:
1. 4 powerful + 4 efficient cores which can work simultaneously -> better CPU performance and better battery life
2. More RAM available (2.72 GB vs 2.38 GB)
3. Better sound (Wolfson DAC vs Qualcomm DAC)
Pros of Snap which don't bother me:
1. LTE. We don't have LTE in Ukraine. IMHO, even with new Qualcomm QFE1100 chip LTE will drain more battery than GSM/UMTS. It just improves situation compare to other LTE solutions but GSM/UMTS operation is still superior in this regard.
2. 4K recording. Too large video files. I think 1080p 60fps is more important.
3. Supposedly better GPU performance. I don't play games.
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Where did you find the info on the DAC?
Three Reasons for the Samsung Exynos 5 Octa 5420:
1) Notably more memory bandwidth 14.9 GB/s vs 12.8 GB/s
2.10 GB/s more memory bandwidth. This is the maximum rate that data can be read from or stored into memory.
2) Considerably higher ram speed 1866 vs 800
1066 higher ram speed. It can support faster memory, which will give quicker system performance.
3) Supports hardware-assisted virtualization Yes vs No
it is easier to obtain better performance when using virtualization if it is hardware-assisted.
Three Reasons for the Qualcomm Snapdragon 800:
1) Shorter 10 mm vs 11 mm 1 mm shorter.
2) Explicitly narrower 10 mm vs 12 mm 2 mm narrower.
3) Reasonably faster CPU clock speed 27.78% faster CPU clock speed.
Edit: Forgot the source of this info
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designgears said:
Where did you find the info on the DAC?
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I know you asked him, but I read somewhere ( easy to google for it) that Samsung signed a long-term deal with Wolfson.
I also read that the DAC on the S800 is integrated so guess which one is getting the Wolfson?
Anyway I am not in a hurry , so I will be playing with the Phone in the showrooms quite a lot before I make any decision,,
As I said before, it's difficult, but not being in a hurry, is a good thing....
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Three Reasons for the Samsung Exynos 5 Octa 5420:
1) Notably more memory bandwidth 14.9 GB/s vs 12.8 GB/s
2.10 GB/s more memory bandwidth. This is the maximum rate that data can be read from or stored into memory.
2) Considerably higher ram speed 1866 vs 800
1066 higher ram speed. It can support faster memory, which will give quicker system performance.
3) Supports hardware-assisted virtualization Yes vs No
it is easier to obtain better performance when using virtualization if it is hardware-assisted.
Three Reasons for the Qualcomm Snapdragon 800:
1) Shorter 10 mm vs 11 mm 1 mm shorter.
2) Explicitly narrower 10 mm vs 12 mm 2 mm narrower.
3) Reasonably faster CPU clock speed 27.78% faster CPU clock speed.
Edit: Forgot the source of this info
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Just pointing out that both versions have the same performace, as a 1,9Ghz Octa matches (or beats) a 2.3 Ghz snapdragon.
Same happened with the S4, and now that the Note 3 can use all 8 cores we will see.
And I also believe both versions are identical in size.
I would pick the octa for two simple reasons:
4G in Qatar only started this year and has weird bands that no phone supports, except for custom made 4G keys.
I'm interested in the ability to use all 8 cores at once.
I'm also interested on what people will do to improve on that aspect with kernels, It seems a fun little ride
I would pick the S800 version if I desire down the line, but I'll start with the Octa first.
PS: I have a weird fetish love for exynos for some reason, even knowing the not so open behaviour.
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2) Considerably higher ram speed 1866 vs 800
1066 higher ram speed. It can support faster memory, which will give quicker system performance.
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Where would you find the info regarding that 3 GB RAM?
Edit; Got it. According to anandtech exynos 5420 supports up to 1866 MHz.
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Where would you find the info regarding that 3 GB RAM?
According to wikipedia (yeah, know it is viewed as not-so-reliable) both the MSM8974AB and Exynos 5420 have 32-bit dual-channel 933 MHz LPDDR3e (14.9 GB/sec). Even if the note version snapdragon doesn't have that AB tag it will be 800 MHz (12.8 GB/s) which is not that far behind.
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Here is the source of that comparison:
http://versus.com/en
It could be bogus .... big chance it is ....
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I NEED LTE. Since having it, I can't see myself using anything slower.
SgtGoldy said:
I NEED LTE. Since having it, I can't see myself using anything slower.
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Ditto
ussrxoden said:
My reasons for Octa:
1. 4 powerful + 4 efficient cores which can work simultaneously -> better CPU performance and better battery life
2. More RAM available (2.72 GB vs 2.38 GB)
3. Better sound (Wolfson DAC vs Qualcomm DAC)
Pros of Snap which don't bother me:
1. LTE. We don't have LTE in Ukraine. IMHO, even with new Qualcomm QFE1100 chip LTE will drain more battery than GSM/UMTS. It just improves situation compare to other LTE solutions but GSM/UMTS operation is still superior in this regard.
2. 4K recording. Too large video files. I think 1080p 60fps is more important.
3. Supposedly better GPU performance. I don't play games.
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1. I live in chicago and I'm going to need that hella fast LTE
2. The 4k recording
betoNL said:
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I know you asked him, but I read somewhere ( easy to google for it) that Samsung signed a long-term deal with Wolfson.
I also read that the DAC on the S800 is integrated so guess which one is getting the Wolfson?
Anyway I am not in a hurry , so I will be playing with the Phone in the showrooms quite a lot before I make any decision,,
As I said before, it's difficult, but not being in a hurry, is a good thing....
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Lame. Well, I am not in a hurry either, my work offered to buy me any device I wanted. I have an HTC One, tried the SGS4, G Pro, 1020 and the 5S is just to small. The only thing left was the Note 3
No choice. Only Octa will be available. And I want Octa for true 8 core mode.
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Yeah even I would go for octane...I would love to have all 8 cores working...a true octa core
Not sure yet.
Don't care much about 4k video. 4G isn't widely available in India yet but should spread in the next couple of years. Still plans will probably be expensive for a while so I can live without it for the next 2-3 years.
Probably the biggest issue for me would be battery life. The S800 seems to do well and battery life on the G2 appears to be superb. Not sure how the Octa matches up here, we will have to wait for reviews.
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Lame. Well, I am not in a hurry either, my work offered to buy me any device I wanted. I have an HTC One, tried the SGS4, G Pro, 1020 and the 5S is just to small. The only thing left was the Note 3
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However.....
There is a chance the S800 will carry the Wolfson
Just found this info:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/678952/samsung-galaxy-note-3-24-bit-192khz/30#post_9816900
How do they disable the System on chip DAC?
tattari
i really don't know , i just read it
LG's upcoming G2 phone packs in modern features including 5.2" HD IPS screen, 13 MP camera with 8x digital zoom and the ability to play lossless 24-bit/192kHz audio files. Coming with the Snapdragon 2.26GHz quad core CPU, 32GB ROM and 1920 x 1080 full HD IPS screen, the new G2 sports a variety of modern features. Now that Wolfson's latest WM5110 mobile 24-bit/192kHz DAC chip is showing up in devices, first reported in May 23 here @ Enjoy the Music.com's Industry News page, audiophiles and high fidelity enthusiasts will soon be able to travel with a single device to hear their high resolution music and answer phone calls plus other mobile computing tasks. Wolfson's M5110 is the industry's first quad core High Definition (HD) Audio Processor System-on-a-Chip (SoC). This new highly-integrated, low power HD Audio Processor with advanced DSP feature set is designed to deliver HD Audio performance of 24-bit/192kHz for smartphones, tablet computers and portable multimedia devices. The WM5110 provides 110dB signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) and a fast 600 MIPS of processing power, while only requiring 3mW DAC to headphone power consumption, making it the most powerful and efficient HD Audio Processor on the market. Other features of LG's G2 include Audio Zooming that enables users to zero in on specific audio source by zooming in on your subject while recording video. This unique feature uses three stereo mikes, which amplify sound from the specified angle and deemphasize the surrounding noise. If you want to enjoy the music, then simply plug in your headphones and go. The unit provides easy file sync simply by plugging in a USB cable and the G2 intuitively shows you the icons for features that require earphones or USB cables when you plug them in. This allows faster access to the apps you desire. The LG G2 comes with a large 3000 mAh battery for hour after hour of musical pleasure
and that's the source link
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/news/0813/
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i wouldn't call my self an audiophile , but i really do appreciate high quality music , and have a decent pair of cans that can produce good music
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OT: For Exynos version, GTS won't be shipped out-of-box. They will ship with core-migration.
GTS will be enabled later through some kernel/patch upgrades.
LTE is so overrated. Who's going to download a 1GB file on mobile data anyway. Most of the time, it'll be small packets and you won't even feel the difference in speed between LTE and HSPA+ for those.
Plus, battery blows on LTE. Even if I owned an LTE device, I'd still run it on HSPA+ because of the battery life.
Except for the S4, the Exynos is always better than the Qualcomm. On the S4, Qualcomm was better because it could run native AOSP and Exynos 4 didn't work correctly. However, the Exynos is always the preferred version and even pay premiums for it.
Hello, i own the Sony xperia z mobile phone. I want to know how many cores or processors the GPU of the phone employs.
As far as i know, the phone has an Adreno 320 Graphics Processing Unit clocked at 400Mhz.
Also i think there are many version of the adreno 320 video chip but some people tell me there is only one.
So i would like more information about the GPU. I also want to know the amount of video ram or video memory or VRAM the graphics chip on this device has to store video memory or pixels/memory for images.
I know that some phones can use the RAM for storing images like a buffer or a cache memory instead of their own video memory using NOP tecchnology.
I know what vram is for. Its like ram but it holds the pictures or pixels info for the pictures the gpu is processing like the hard drive.
However, VRAM is used instead of ram or hard drive to make information processing faster.
So ram was made to store settings and temp data of programs so that they can have faster access.
So just like that there is vram and it may also be on the same chip of the GPU for the adreno 320 video chip.
So, basically i must know the amount of graphics cores or processor the GPU uses and also the amount of video memory it uses to store all of it's graphics or images.
Do you know the scalibility of this gpu and the max frame rate of the gpu. Also does it support open gl 3.0?
Thank you
Adreno 320 inside the Qualcomm S4 Pro & Prime Series,
with unified shader architecture and dual channel
memory. It supports Direct3D feature level 9_3 in
addition to OpenGL ES 3.0, OpenGL ES 2.0, OpenGL ES
1.1, OpenVG 1.1, EGL 1.4, Direct3D Mobile, SVGT 1.2
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