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Feels very solid... Keyboard is pretty good to type on, although the space bar on mine doesn't feel great. Feels a little too spongey as compared to the other keys. Might be just mine.
It's pretty easy to get the tablet in and out. Battery life is freakin' awesome and it's too cool having the SD slot available. Haven't tried the USB ports yet. Have had one of the trackpad lockups so far.
It`s too bad and I hope they fix it quickly because the trackpad is excellent. Very smooth and comfortable to the touch and the button works well.
All in all, for $550, I am very impressed. It will be difficult to go back to a laptop without an IPS screen now. Honeycomb, while definitely needing some love, is powerful and fun to use. The Transformer feels good as a tablet, and even nicer having the ability to be become an Android netbook in an instant.
I think back to buying the first white EEE with it's what, 4gb SSD? Technology is fascinating and moving so quickly. It's a great time to be using these tools / toys.
Good write-up. The tablet and keyboard combo are pretty impressive. Honeycomb is also impressing me more and more. I just wish there were some better options for certain categories of apps (FTP, text editing, word processing, etc.), but I know the apps are coming.
Hopefully Asus will resolve the keyboard lockup issues soon.
You dont happen to have a sdxc card to try? Spec say its supported but would like to know hands on
Sorry, I just have a 16gb SDHC.
I'm so far very impressed with mine. I'm typing on it right now. Definitely not as good as typing on a full size keyboard. Currenty there is a little delay from pressing the keys to when you see it in the browser. Probably the broweser or software rather than the keyboard. The multi touch scrolling works quite well. I haven't ran into the keyboard trackpad freezing bug and I have been using it for about an hour. The hot keys can be very handy. There's one for taking a screenshot, which is pretty cool. Does anyone know why the 1 and 6 keys have the circles? Very impressed with the combo even though honeycomb wasn't designed for it.
EDIT: editing this post with the opera mobile browser doesn't have the lag. There's definitely and issue with the default browser and delay in typing on the keyboard. The opera browser is nice, but it doesn't resize pages when zoomed in.
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I'm so far very impressed with mine. I'm typing on it right now. Definitely not as good as typing on a full size keyboard. Currenty there is a little delay from pressing the keys to when you see it in the browser. Probably the broweser or software rather than the keyboard. The multi touch scrolling works quite well. I haven't ran into the keyboard trackpad freezing bug and I have been using it for about an hour. The hot keys can be very handy. There's one for taking a screenshot, which is pretty cool. Does anyone know why the 1 and 6 keys have the circles? Very impressed with the combo even though honeycomb wasn't designed for it.
EDIT: editing this post with the opera mobile browser doesn't have the lag. There's definitely and issue with the default browser and delay in typing on the keyboard. The opera browser is nice, but it doesn't resize pages when zoomed in.
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How about apps like Polaris Office? Any lag there?
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How about apps like Polaris Office? Any lag there?
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There is a little bit of lag with polaris and the dock, but not enough to bother you. I was used to an Asus Eee Netbook, and with just the tablet some things get annoying. Alot of the websites have lag that is noticeable, namely facebook. it will take some getting used to, but with the dock it makes it exponentially better.
The main thing that is bugging me is all of the little short-cuts, as I have mentioned in another thread. Not being able to hold down Ctrl to open a link into a new tab is going to get some getting used to / etc.
Overall, I think you will be pleased with the experience. I was mildly skeptical of a tablet on honeycomb that had a keyboard attach to it, but it turns it into a close to windows netbook experience that is acceptable. The added benefits of a non-touchscreen tablet are far outweighed. I would choose my transformer with docking keyboard over a regular netbook any day.
Just out of curiousity, do you see the lag when using the default browser?
Is the lag still there if you use a different browser? (Like wynand32 tried with Opera.)
I am at work now, so I can't try it on mine. I love this thing, but I am pretty frustrated with the keyboard stopping working all the time. Asus better fix that quick. I swear, I'd be close to selling the bundle and checking back in a few months but I wouldn't feel right selling them right now....
The fun of being an early adopter!
bleclair said:
Just out of curiousity, do you see the lag when using the default browser?
Is the lag still there if you use a different browser? (Like wynand32 tried with Opera.)
I am at work now, so I can't try it on mine. I love this thing, but I am pretty frustrated with the keyboard stopping working all the time. Asus better fix that quick. I swear, I'd be close to selling the bundle and checking back in a few months but I wouldn't feel right selling them right now....
The fun of being an early adopter!
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So far the delay in typing to when you see the text on the screen is only in the default browser. It works fine when typing in the url/search bar, but when typing in text boxes on a web page, there is significant lag. I have opera mobile, and it doesn't have lag.
I would test polaris office, but I'm not at home with my tablet right now.
Also, so far no freezing keyboard bug for me. Used it for about 3 hours last night, and left it docked all night, and was still working in the morning.
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So far the delay in typing to when you see the text on the screen is only in the default browser. It works fine when typing in the url/search bar, but when typing in text boxes on a web page, there is significant lag. I have opera mobile, and it doesn't have lag.
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Just FYI I get notable lag typing in textareas on the default browser even when using a software keyboard, I think its a problem with the textarea rendering not a specific input device.
Is the spacing of the keyboard any better than a netbook? I have an asus 10 inch netbook and find the keyboard too cramp to type effectively.
Due to the size of the tablet, it's actually spaced pretty well.
Not as good as a full keyboard, but it's not bad.
Does the touch screen still operate when docked and how well?
Yep, and it works very well!
(It's cool to reach up and touch the screen.)
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Is the spacing of the keyboard any better than a netbook? I have an asus 10 inch netbook and find the keyboard too cramp to type effectively.
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It is smaller than a normal keyboard. 92% of full size according to Asus. I find it fine to type on if you have really big hands it lay be more difficult. My main issue is my palms hit the trackpad quite a bit.
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Yes... just as well. Watch/read reviews people. Most questions are answered in them.
played with mine for a bit. 2 very big pluses.
1. can read ntfs formatted disks. i haven't tried write, but reading from my portable wd driver it works wonderfully.
2. spare emergency phone (or any usb device) charger. i'd assume it could only pump out 5 watts since it's usb 2.0.
holy smokes! full read AND write to ntfs drives. this makes hauling movies and storage almost a non-issue.
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played with mine for a bit. 2 very big pluses.
1. can read ntfs formatted disks. i haven't tried write, but reading from my portable wd driver it works wonderfully.
2. spare emergency phone (or any usb device) charger. i'd assume it could only pump out 5 watts since it's usb 2.0.
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Can you confirm that the dock will indeed charge a smartphone? That would be a pretty significant plus I'd not thought of...
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holy smokes! full read AND write to ntfs drives. this makes hauling movies and storage almost a non-issue.
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How is the interface? Does it pop up a home screen icon or file browser when you plug the drive in?
Hi all, it's been a long time since I've been around here! As the title says, I'm attempting to move from the iPad 2 to the transformer. I'll miss the thinness and the weight, but there are several reasons why.
I've been thinking of a switch to android for a while, and I think it may be mature enough now. Of course we will see what apple has going tomorrow. Maybe a wow, maybe not. If this move goes well, I'll be passing my iPhone 4 down to my gf and getting a sgs2
This was getting too long so let me cut to the chase:
Which browser? I use atomic and icab now, the former is faster the latter is more full featured. I need web form upload.
Does the android marketplace designate which apps are made for honeycomb? I looked but didn't see anything that stuck out.
What about photo management and development. I'm using filterstorm pro on iPad 2 but I'm guessing there's nothing like that for android?
Any good video editing, simple like iMovie but preferably support avhcd lite?
How's the native rss reader? I use reeder at present and I love it. I don't care for pulse and flipboard newspaper readers.
Native rdp any good? Better solutions?
I use mynzb (I can still use on iPhone but I prefer not just hitting web interface if possible for sabnzbd)
At the end of this I'm really wanting to give it a solid go, but have limited time to see if it works out (and ensure I don't have any potential build issues) so I appreciate your bearing with me and the help!
Anyone else switch from iPad to transformer? Tips?
Thanks again!
Hello, hope this helps:
h00ligan said:
Hi all, it's been a long time since I've been around here! As the title says, I'm attempting to move from the iPad 2 to the transformer. I'll miss the thinness and the weight, but there are several reasons why.
I've been thinking of a switch to android for a while, and I think it may be mature enough now. Of course we will see what apple has going tomorrow. Maybe a wow, maybe not. If this move goes well, I'll be passing my iPhone 4 down to my gf and getting a sgs2
This was getting too long so let me cut to the chase:
Which browser? I use atomic and icab now, the former is faster the latter is more full featured. I need web form upload.
Dolphin HD Beta (you have to side load this one)
Does the android marketplace designate which apps are made for honeycomb? I looked but didn't see anything that stuck out.
It's not as easy to figure out which are honeycomb optimized. You have to look in the app details. But most apps automatically stretch to full screen. So it's mostly not an issue.
What about photo management and development. I'm using filterstorm pro on iPad 2 but I'm guessing there's nothing like that for android?
Any good video editing, simple like iMovie but preferably support avhcd lite?
You're most likely not going to get any imovie level movie editor. There's the stock video editor that comes with 3.1, but it's really basic.
How's the native rss reader? I use reeder at present and I love it. I don't care for pulse and flipboard newspaper readers.
THere are two good ones, Feedly (uses google to sync Rss) and pulse
Native rdp any good? Better solutions?
I use mynzb (I can still use on iPhone but I prefer not just hitting web interface if possible for sabnzbd)
At the end of this I'm really wanting to give it a solid go, but have limited time to see if it works out (and ensure I don't have any potential build issues) so I appreciate your bearing with me and the help!
Anyone else switch from iPad to transformer? Tips?
Thanks again!
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I'll have to look up side loading! Thanks for the advice.
I also just moved from an Ipad 2 to transformer.
Right away, I noticed a few things:
1. There is no native honeycomb ebook reader.
2. You cannot play video in full screen because the status bar is always sticking out there. Seriously????
3. 16:10 is terrible for read books. however, I admit that it has some advantages for viewing wider webpages.
4. Zinio. I used to have zinio on my ipad 2... man... that thing was smooth...However, it is not the case on the transformer.
5. Newspapers: where is my businessweek on honeycomb? or the daily?
6. No home button. No lock rotation button. Everytime I try to unlock it I have to make sure it's not upside down so I can find the damn power button. Don't tell me that apple has patented the home button and rotation button.
7. Market: I was astonished when I open the market and found out the main page apps are actually not made for tablet.
8. Porn: now works. still not in full screen though (God, I hate that status bar)
So are you sticking with it?
Seems really odd that status bar won't hide! I thought kindle for android existed?
Porn...well..there was always that one or three sites that worked with iPad - don't know the site policy so I'll refrain from specifying Heh.
If you are used to some apps in iOS, you'll find that a lot of those unfortunately have no Android counterpart. However, given you have decided to try Honeycomb for a drive, I'd recommend you to have a look at the nearest alternatives.
For an E-reader, try Google Books, Amazon Kindle or Zinio for it. Zinio is still new to Android so definitely expect lag and bugs. There's no capable video editor sadly, but RSS readers are aplenty; there's Minimal Reader widget right here at XDA, and there's also Feedly as someone already said. Best browsers to go for that combine speed and features are Skyfire, Dolphin HD and Opera, though Opera has no Flash yet due to lack of source code.
I wanna add that is there a way to skip the lock screen at all? seems quite odd to me that you have to go for an extra step because the power button is already really really..really...really hard to press. There is no way I am pressing it on accident!!
Btw, thanks for the all the app suggestions. I am trying them out as right now.
As far as I can tell, the default lockscreen cannot be disabled, sorry. If you have any more questions regarding Honeycomb or the Transformer, just ask us.
OP, here's the thread with all the compatible apps so far for our tablet:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1032381
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I also just moved from an Ipad 2 to transformer.
Right away, I noticed a few things:
1. There is no native honeycomb ebook reader.
2. You cannot play video in full screen because the status bar is always sticking out there. Seriously????
3. 16:10 is terrible for read books. however, I admit that it has some advantages for viewing wider webpages.
4. Zinio. I used to have zinio on my ipad 2... man... that thing was smooth...However, it is not the case on the transformer.
5. Newspapers: where is my businessweek on honeycomb? or the daily?
6. No home button. No lock rotation button. Everytime I try to unlock it I have to make sure it's not upside down so I can find the damn power button. Don't tell me that apple has patented the home button and rotation button.
7. Market: I was astonished when I open the market and found out the main page apps are actually not made for tablet.
8. Porn: now works. still not in full screen though (God, I hate that status bar)
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1. What do you mean by Native? Aldiko works perfectly in high resolution. Asus even included their own book reader.
2. I'll give you this. But only because I haven't tried all the video players on the market.
3. I think its fine. And its actually perfect for comic and magazine reading unlike the ipad.
4. Zinio works well enough for me.
6. Eh, there's a soft home button obviously. No hard button because... this is honeycomb and not gingerbread or any older flavor. And you can lock orientation. Click on the clock then again. I've always found the ipad's hardware lock switch redundant and dumb.
7. The top section of the market's main page clearly says featured tablet apps... thats right. It's there. Click on it and you'll see more. The ipad had quite a head start so obviously you can't compare the number of apps just yet.
8. Yes! Adobe Flesh!
So yeah, the ios is smoother because if obvious reasons. But HC is already very good and useable. I have both and I find myself using the TF a whole kit more often.
PS: the most reeder-ish reader is Newer. And its free!
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2) the ipad has the home button. the status bar in honeycomb is the equivalent of that to the ipad. without it, you can't go home. honeycomb doesn't have a hardware home button. it's not technically part the screen.
I don't need a signature.
Also best ebook reader app is nook. Try it and u will never miss ibooks again.
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Thanks for the input. I saw the tablet section but see apps mentioned that are not listed in there, so that was a bit confusing coming from the segregated iPad/iPhone layout with plus signs for universal
Any additions welcome. Thanks!
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As far as I can tell, the default lockscreen cannot be disabled, sorry. If you have any more questions regarding Honeycomb or the Transformer, just ask us.
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Yes you can. Look under security. I disabled mine the first day.
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Zinio in market is great.
Kindle honeycomb version hides status bar buttons as dies the native YouTube and video buttons.
Other book readers work fine but status bar information shows.
As more apps get updated to work with 3.1 honeycomb which was just released more will use the lights out feature and dim out the status bar.
I'm very disappointed with what the 3.1 updated did to the browser. It's basically unusable for me now because the keyboard lag is so bad. I'm using Opera Mini, I think it's a great browser, it's so fast. The only complaint is it doesn't let you change the user agent string, so you always get mobile versions of websites. Grrr. Hope Opera fixes this. Dolphin HD is pretty awesome too. Firefox should be beaten with a rubber hoses for what they released.
Android Market does a piss poor job identifying Tablet optimized applications. They have a "Featured Tablet Apps" section, however there are other apps that are tablet optimized that aren't include. And after seeing how crappy Zombies vs Plants looks on a tablet, I definitely want to know before hand which games are optimized for tablet screens. Android needs to fix this.
One other small complaint about the Market. Why does it only work in landscape mode? I do like holding my tablet in portrait mode a lot, and it sucks this Market doesn't work that way.
The status bar always showing up during most video play back doesn't bother me. The screen is 16:10 and the videos are usually 16:9, so there is still a little unused space at the top and bottom anyway. And the native Google video player does dim the status bar so you barely notice it. I'm fine with this, though would like to see other video players be able to dim the status bar like the native one does.
No home button doesn't bother me. Sure there are times I grab the tablet upside down and can't find the power button immediately. And as someone that has used an iPad for a year I sometimes even instinctively move my thumb towards where I think it should be. But overall I think I like the clean front glass with no buttons. Kinda wish it has no logo either, but oh well.
My main complaint about the Transformer vs iPad is the comfort. Holding my iPad just feels so much more comfortable and I imagine the iPad 2 is even more so with it being lighter and thinner. The Transformer has lots of edges, especially when held in portrait. While this makes it looks better aesthetically when docked with it's keyboard, it is a sacrifice to it's comfort as a tablet in hand.
But it's $100 cheaper, lighter than most other Android tablets, and I like Android more than iOS. So I think I'm happy.
Well it arrived today, here are a couple of tidbits and quick first impressions
Pros:
Not as heavy as I thought it would be
Screen is very nice. Comparing to iOS devices, it's more iPhone than iPad.
Battery seems to charge pretty quickly
I like some of the customization choices
It plays flash but (see below)
Love the gmail client
The font, once getting used to it, is more crisp than apple's offering on the iPad.
Cons:
wifi is a disaster, the radio power must be soooo low or drivers not optimized.. anything to do to boost it? Given I have numerous other devices connecting way better, I'm not tearing part my network because one can't power a radio or optimize drivers. I get virtually no connection in a room where my iPad connects at 100-130.
Opera, dolphin, stock browsers all feel incomplete and slow to do anything (maybe wifi related)
Steep learning curve for privacy options with the google auto sign in stuff, this is down to me.
Android marketplace is kind of a mess.
Fwiw, mine came shipped With 3.0.1. I don't notice any glaring issues in an hour's use..but havent checked for bleed, balance, etc. And I may not.
Right now, tbh, things are going to have to get a lot better for me to replace an iPad, or even a netbook with this device, but I just started...so I recognize these thoughts are premature and my have a lot to do with lack of familiarity. The wifi issue would be a huge deal breaker if I can't do anything other than reposition routers..it will go back.
unquick said:
I also just moved from an Ipad 2 to transformer.
Right away, I noticed a few things:
1. There is no native honeycomb ebook reader.
2. You cannot play video in full screen because the status bar is always sticking out there. Seriously????
3. 16:10 is terrible for read books. however, I admit that it has some advantages for viewing wider webpages.
4. Zinio. I used to have zinio on my ipad 2... man... that thing was smooth...However, it is not the case on the transformer.
5. Newspapers: where is my businessweek on honeycomb? or the daily?
6. No home button. No lock rotation button. Everytime I try to unlock it I have to make sure it's not upside down so I can find the damn power button. Don't tell me that apple has patented the home button and rotation button.
7. Market: I was astonished when I open the market and found out the main page apps are actually not made for tablet.
8. Porn: now works. still not in full screen though (God, I hate that status bar)
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2. Funny how in your 3rd point, you mentioned 16:10, but your 2nd point contradicts it. Since you know the screen is 16:10 (1280x800), you should know most videos are 16:9 or 4:3 right? So if the menu were to disappear and you get to "full screen" your video, it'll only stretch it and make the stuff look long and skinny.
O, I'm feeling more optimistic. I had forgotten the update is to 3.1 not 3.0.1 and the slowness may have been the update DL in the bg... It's installing now, wish me luck
@frosty, I think he just doesn't want the distracting light, not necessarily the aspect.
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2. Funny how in your 3rd point, you mentioned 16:10, but your 2nd point contradicts it. Since you know the screen is 16:10 (1280x800), you should know most videos are 16:9 or 4:3 right? So if the menu were to disappear and you get to "full screen" your video, it'll only stretch it and make the stuff look long and skinny.
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I am OK with 16:9 videos. However, the status bar actually shrinks 4:3 videos.
@ravizzle, where can I find this Nook app?
@knx2, thanks for info. I had it disabled. It made me a lot happier.
When I purchased my tab 10.1, I was absolutely sure I made the right choice, after reading reviews about all the major tablets in the market. Now, after three months, I am not so sure. The disappointment is largely because of the failure of giants like Google and android tablet manufacturers to not being able to provide an "awesome" experience, even after more than one and a half years of being in the market. This frustration is one of those times when you really want to like something, but you just feel constantly, it could be much much better.
Minor software like a responsive keyboard shouldn't be that far-fethched for android. While typing this post on my tab, it seems like I am typing on a device/software that is not even an alpha release, even after so many years since android launched. And of course, I compare it to the iPad's keyboard, although I would never buy an Apple product - I like android for a reason (freedom).
I had thought I would always be able to take notes in meetings on the tab, but I have come to a very disappointing realization that the tab is just not made for note taking - not even close. I bought the Adonit Jot Pro thinking it is the best stylus in the market and would help greatly with note taking. When I started using the stylus, it was clear to me there is nothing out there that can accomplish the functionalty of note taking on the tab - Jot Pro clearly failed, but it's not the stylus's issue. Just why can't the tab, although it has a better hardware than the iPad, not allow decent note taking functionality?
I started considering the Thinkpad tablet as it touts a note-taking functionality and the screen is especially made for that, but after reading and watching reviews for that product, it seems Lenovo has a lot of catching up to do. The Thinkpad is sluggish, doesn't record notes as its windows tablet counterpart does in terms of speed and accuracy. After getting excited about an android tablet - the Thinkpad - that would allow note taking, I am back to square one after reading its reviews. I am not going to buy it.
The developers here do an amazing job to make our tabs better, but why is the android OS still subpar compared go the iOS? It can't be just that it has to cater to multiple hardware options and manufacturers, or that is is newer than the iOS. I don't think my expectations are unrealistic.
As the keyboard is giving me such grief, I will cut this post short and come back to the request/point. Does anyone know of an app that does something simple and basic like palm-rejection and follows the writing on the tab closely, without any lag? I have used writepad, free note, genial, super note, and others, which were supposed to be good for the tab, but alas, nothing accomplishes not taking. I am aware the polling on the screen for the tab is lagged compared to that for the iPad (and just Why?!), but am sure something could be done about it.
Please don't suggest buying another tablet, especially the iPad, or that I should develop an app for myself. Any sensible reader (hope SamsungJohn is still around, and someone from Andy Rubin's team reads this post) would know what the point of this post is. Thanks.
Sent from my GT-P7510
just use touchscreentune from development thread. Problem solved
vitalij said:
just use touchscreentune from development thread. Problem solved
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Did you miss the part about palm rejection? Touchscreen Tune can't resolve that problem, as far as I can tell.
It also won't help with the lag associated with note apps that he was referring to.
I'm actually quite interested in a solution as well, as I would love to take this to my dev meetings when I don't want to lug around my laptop.
I'm kind of in the same boat as you. I would have liked to take notes with the G-Tab too but nothing I've found makes it ideal. There's an Asus note app in the dev section that helps a lot. For some reason it seems to accept responses better. It's what I used for short notes and phone numbers. For meeting notes, not so much.
ICS supports hand writing recognition natively. Hopefully there's not a h/w component required and that ends up being the long term solution for the Tab.
I wish there were an addon like the iPad's iPen for the Galaxy Tabs, it's an active digitizer:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1225098940/ipen-the-first-active-stylus-for-ipad
1) Handwriting
I don't know why there isn't an app for the tab that supports palm rejection. From a dev point of view, I assume the problem lies therein that it isn't possible to block other touchevents, so you cannot "ignore" parts of the screen. This may easily be a hardware related issue, that further touchpoints are ignored when your hand rests on the screen.
2) "Minor software like a responsive keyboard shouldn't be that far-fethched for android."
Have you tried a ROM like Galaxy Tab? The keyboard (stock) is much better than the touchwiz one.
3) Notetaking
TouchScreenTune, if you haven't tried it yet. Check out the dev section. No, doesn't help with palm rejection BUT, makes the notetaking for me possible.
Added palm rejection to TouchScreenTune Test version in development thread:
PALM REJECTION:
added slider allowing to turn on palm rejection. That means that you hand can rest on screen while writing using stylus, but you will still be able to write since touch events from your palm will be ignored. Set palm detection slider value to 0 or maybe a bit more like 1-10 to enable this functionality.
there are some reports that the galaxy note pen works on the galaxy tab , it has thin tip and should be accurate in writing notes with supported applications
i dont use stylus but i use finger to write notes. i use ausus super note app and i feel comfortable compared to other notes app. you can try touchscreen tune if you havent tried it.
kmaq said:
i dont use stylus but i use finger to write notes. i use ausus super note app and i feel comfortable compared to other notes app. you can try touchscreen tune if you havent tried it.
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The latest touchscreen tune with palm rejection (from the thread in the dev section) works well with asus supernote.
you can try these...
try the onscreen keyboard apps like thumb keyboard or swiftkey tablet x .
Both are really very good.
Thumb keyboard with multitouch option is really very helpfull.
Everyone knows about the predictive powers of swiftkey.
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Did you miss the part about palm rejection? Touchscreen Tune can't resolve that problem, as far as I can tell.
It also won't help with the lag associated with note apps that he was referring to.
I'm actually quite interested in a solution as well, as I would love to take this to my dev meetings when I don't want to lug around my laptop.
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Check the multi touch bottom it help when my palm touched the screen it stopped it from reading my palm touch
The reason for the choppiness is that androids UI and keyboard ius not hardware accelerated like apple's. Android also runs it as oje process, while apple tries to split it up to accommodate doing smaller things (so only one thing lags rather than whole ui).
I hope this is fixed more in ICS, but i have noticed that too. You cna put a custom rom on the tablet to make it a lot faster (stock rom is pretty buggy).
To be honest I'd recommend getting a bluetooth keyboard. I have one that's part of a case and it works perfectly. Aside from that I think you just need to use an app that suits you, I don't mind Polaris to be honest, but I find for speed typing I DO need the keyboard.
Huh? I'm on 3.1 and the standard Android keyboard (not the Samsung one that's on by default) works great. Very responsive, zero lag.
I have the tab 8.9 and there is no touchscreen app so a little worse off than the 10.1.
I use the app freenotes to take notes along with a pogo sketch stylus. THis makes the tab great for notetaking for me- very flexible and very easy to take clear notes in real time. Will also try the Asus supernote app soon.
I just wish it had the PDF and other document import export that apps like notability have on iOS- would make it perfect
i have motorola xoom, ipad 1, and now SGT,and i personally think that people who want to use their tablet to take note , they can do that. But to have a tablet+ stylus that they can comfortably write as they do with their notebook+pen is a different story.
I found Quill. It's quite good. It seems to be open source because it's available in Google Code and you can download the APK: http://code.google.com/p/android-quill/downloads/list
It have an option for disabling the bottom of the screen for resting your palm, though with TouchScreenTune you don't need it...
However, it's choppy in the GT10.1 unless you are rooted and install TouchScreenTune (which, by the way, was recently updated and now really works! Thanks dev!)
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I tried almost everything, and the best ones at the moment, are TabNotes, Writepad for stylus, and Handrite and Genial writing for handwriting.
Everything else is either laggy or choppy or just doesn't work well. At least imo. Quill and Freenote don't even compare with the two first above in responsiveness.
Of course you need touchscreentune, the recommended settings work fine. Palm rejection works quite well too, with the new version. (thanks again Vitalijus).
I tested all this on a UK tab version hc 3.2 (XXKL2).
I haven't tried Writepad because for some reason cannot buy apps from my tab... But Quill fill my needs.
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I find the spen, ezpdf, Dropbox combo to be perfect.
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I actually just said that in a recent post. It is true. I know that having the pen with ezPDF is amazing and works well. The issue is in the performance. Try an iPad. Load a graphic intensive PDF on it and then start moving around from page to page and zooming. It's smooth as heck. Now do it on the Note 10.1 2014... Choppy, inconsistent and slows down to a crawl sometimes. As much as a hate Apple and I think that their products are mainly consumption kiddy toys, they do have some very optimized well put together hardware and software. There is a reason why they are praised for their gaming capabilities, because the GPU capabilities are amazing. But like I said, outside of that, there is nothing special about it so it's not like that would win me over. The Note 10.1 2014 is what I am sticking with and it will do wonders for most everything, I just hope the video processing and random system performance gets patched along the way soon.
Dissappinted to hear that. I wanted to upgeade to a 2014 for better, faster pdf handling. I guess all the ipad needs is a pen with good palm rejection.
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Dissappinted to hear that. I wanted to upgeade to a 2014 for better, faster pdf handling. I guess all the ipad needs is a pen with good palm rejection.
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If they put a Wacom Digitizer in there they may have something.
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yeah my daughters old ass ipad2 is still pretty smooth. any 2yr old android tablet can't even hang - tegra2 sucked!
Is what you are seeing really attributable to a difference between an iPad and Android from a hardware and OS perspective or is it a difference in the PDF apps that are available? I know that it really doesn't matter in the end because the results of the same but it seems to be more related to deficiencies ezPDF then in the hardware or OS. I really wish Bluebeam would step up and bring their PDF reader to Android.
I think pdf handling on the note 10.1 2014 isn't perfect but its definitely smooth enough unless you're OCD
Compare GoodNotes on iOS to ezPDF on Android and you'll see why.
Check out Mantano reader. I find that it has the smoothest experience out of all android PDF readers. There performance may not be as good as the iOS alternatives, but it comes pretty close. I can read a 1000 page textbook on my galaxy s3 without any noticeable lag or stutter. The performance should be just as good, if not better on the note 2014. It also has annotate/highlight functionality which could put the pen to good use.
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Check out Mantano reader. I find that it has the smoothest experience out of all android PDF readers. There performance may not be as good as the iOS alternatives, but it comes pretty close. I can read a 1000 page textbook on my galaxy s3 without any noticeable lag or stutter. The performance should be just as good, if not better on the note 2014. It also has annotate/highlight functionality which could put the pen to good use.
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Before I shell out for the Premium version, does it have the ability to put sticky notes, and does it have a "turning page" effect like ezPDF?
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Before I shell out for the Premium version, does it have the ability to put sticky notes, and does it have a "turning page" effect like ezPDF?
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You should try out the lite version first because I think it's essentially the same in terms of performance. The turning page effect is not there for PDF files (doesn't matter to me really), it just a straight horizontal or vertical scroll. I believe you can put some equivalent of sticky notes - you can write a text note and have it linked to a page, but it wont explicitly show a sticky note symbol on the page. Also I must warn you that despite the scrolling and rendering to be really smooth, the text rendering isn't that amazing, but I'm not sure which other PDF reader has that anyway. What I mean is that, when zooming in, there is a delay before the text gets sharper.
Edit: there's also this other reader I heard is quite good performance wise. Radaee PDF reader. I haven't tried it out myself, but maybe you want to give that a look as well.
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Check out Mantano reader. I find that it has the smoothest experience out of all android PDF readers. There performance may not be as good as the iOS alternatives, but it comes pretty close. I can read a 1000 page textbook on my galaxy s3 without any noticeable lag or stutter. The performance should be just as good, if not better on the note 2014. It also has annotate/highlight functionality which could put the pen to good use.
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Mantano is indeed good and smooth, but it seems it does not have palm rejection when using the spen?
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Remember. You have a 15 minute refund window. I refunded it myself cause I couldn't find a way to persistently highlight. It was annoying to keep to the side to highlight. I emailed the Dev to ask but no reply yet.
Its the apps that are present.
Just two app 'notability' and 'good reader" in ipad can already give superior annotating which up to date no developer in android has ever manage to create.
It has everything lecturenote, snote, ezpdf or any annotating app on play store has to offer. On top of that they auto cloud sync(no need for dropsync), it keeps text formatting of your pdf files, import and export in seconds.
Downside is... there is no s pen for ipad. If one day those 2 companies plan to hit the android market I think those apps I mentioned will probably be obsolete. I was quite disappointed with android in this when I traded in my iPad for a note 10.1 2014.
If a digitizer appears on iPad. It will be the end for the productivity appeal of android (apart from note 10.1 with multi window IMO).
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Its the apps that are present.
Just two app 'notability' and 'good reader" in ipad can already give superior annotating which up to date no developer in android has ever manage to create.
It has everything lecturenote, snote, ezpdf or any annotating app on play store has to offer. On top of that they auto cloud sync(no need for dropsync), it keeps text formatting of your pdf files, import and export in seconds.
Downside is... there is no s pen for ipad. If one day those 2 companies plan to hit the android market I think those apps I mentioned will probably be obsolete. I was quite disappointed with android in this when I traded in my iPad for a note 10.1 2014.
If a digitizer appears on iPad. It will be the end for the productivity appeal of android (apart from note 10.1 with multi window IMO).
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Best post in this thread. I agree on every point.
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Best post in this thread. I agree on every point.
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:good: Hope you are not having a bad time with your note 10.1 haha..
Anyway my opinion is not a biased one. I have always tests device and tell friends if they are good or not. I have tried almost every single annotating there is on android but all were not up to my standard of productivity.
Please don't read peoples' comments on how good this app is or that app is. I was fooled.. Most of them only had the experience on one side of the coin and not the other. Try it yourself (if you can), and tell yourself which is better.
Here is my advise though:
If anyone want get an android device for PDF annotating or dealing with PDF(drawing diagram etc), please reconsider your option as a jotpro + notability/good reader on iPad as it does a better job.
If you don't mind all the hassle(frankly speaking its very troublesome) of rendering every single pages during import and export which takes a whole lot of your time for lecturenotes/s note (not to mention increase in pdf sizes and lack of quality) or lack of functionality of ezpdf (and other pdf annotator). Go ahead and get a note 10.1 for its multi screen so you can view and refer to multiple document at once.
If you are considering of hardware performance-wise, I'm not sure about gaming but other than that there is no difference between a iPad 3 and note 10.1 2014 edition performance.
Is jotpro really comparable to spen though? I use my tablet only for pdf reading and annotating. The downside of all the ipad stuff has always been that the stylus is too thick and imprecise, and there is no palm rejection. Other than that, I do agree ipad is superior for just reading pdfs. Although, I have found that mupdf is extremely fast on Android if all you want to do is read and not annotate.
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iPad, Jot Pro and apps are POS. Just look at YouTube videos of mentioned app with Jot Pro like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4oTEQqSiyo
- Writing input is laggy even compared to my old Note 2. Should be even faster on Note 3 after it finishes downloading Call of Duty Strike Team.
Update: Note 3 (Snapdragon 800) is even faster as expected. Only suggestion is to change the freehand writing thickness from default super thick to either 1 or 3 point to make it more responsive.
- No palm rejection will give you carpal tunnel syndrome writing awkwardly with palm in the air. Or, you can waste half of your screen with what this guy is doing using a make shift palm wrest.
- Even on a full size iPad with the input window zoomed in, the writing is inaccurate and looks like chicken scratches. On Note 2 5.5" without zooming I can write tiny text accurately.
- I tested the free Acrobat Reader to annotate a 133 page PDF and it's fast to scroll, zoom in/out, manipulate, etc. and this is on my old Note 2. It has built-in cloud sync with Adobe or you can use a number of other services like Google Drive, Dropbox, SkyDrive, etc.
- On the iPad with only 1GB DRAM you risk losing whatever you're working on when you task switch if, for example, you have to switch to VOIP app to take a call, check Gmail/Maps, run another app, etc. I've lost comments I was in the middle of writing task switching just between browser and Apple Maps and back on an iPad because the browser reloaded. Non-issue with Note series with 2GB and 3GB DRAM on the newer devices.
- It's wishful thinking but no stylus including Jot Pro can compare to the Note's Wacom pen and there's no way to stow inside so it's bound to get lost.
- If you're concerned about performance check out the Note 10.1 2014 LTE with Snapdragon 800 which is what I'm waiting for along with 12.2" to arrive in the US.
Forget about the iPad. I've used both and it's a POS.
That's exactly why I left ipad and ios. There still doesn't seem to be a good stylus option with PM rejection that is even close to spen.
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It depends.. I never used notability with my Palm in the air before. There are work around for it. The video quality aren't very good that's why the words are sketchy. I have also never lost work while switching apps. I'm lazy to elaborate more lol.. Anyone would wanna consider go try them and see for yourself. Try notability! Really a good app. See if you can name one in Android that is better than that by experience not by videos or others' POV. I can post the screen shot of lecturenotes/s note and annotation done by notability to see if writing is sketchy.
Other than these I think I like the function of the s pen and the multi window functions. Otherwise I would really chunk this device out of the window*just kidding*
Point is, you should ignore what everyone is saying including and do the comparison yourself.
I'm in the market for a tablet (or possibly a Chromebook). I'm an editor of a website and need to be able to use it to work on my Wordpress site effectively so strong browser support and keyboard input is crucial.
I like the idea of an Android tablet as I own a Galaxy S4 and have a large collection of Android apps already. Thus, it would also start out with a nice collection of apps.
I'm a bit unclear as to the differences between the Tab Pro 12.2 and the Note Pro 12.2. They seem very alike except for the stylus. Clearly I'm missing something as that's not much to account for the price difference.
I have an iPad 2 and it's nice but I can't really work on it at all. It's too small to enjoy movies on and, sorry, it's Apple so it's too limited.
I'm also wondering about keyboards. If I got this way, should I get the Samsung keyboard, Logitech keyboard or some other keyboard? I'd like to find a very responsive keyboard. It would be an additional boon if it were also pretty quiet. My GF gets disturbed by late night typing on my desktop gaming keyboard.
I'm older so larger is better for my eyes. I'm at a point where I often pretty much need reading glasses for my S4 now.
For ages I was thinking I wanted a Transformer of some design but Asus seems to have fallen behind. Samsung seems to give me lots of potential breathing room.
Any input greatly appreciated. Thanks.
I'm pretty sure the Note Pro and Tab Pro are identical except for the S-Pen and wacom digitizer that powers it. Absolutely if you don't need pen input for notes or drawing then get the Tab.
You can use just about any Bluetooth keyboard with the Pro 12.2. I've had no trouble with several Logitech and Microsoft BT keyboards. I haven't used any of the made-for Note 12.2 keyboards.
My personal fave keyboard is the Logitech K810. It feels excellent for typing, has backlit keys and can instantly switch between 3 different devices.Its very quiet too- keys feel really nice.
Honestly though, if you really want the best laptop style experience, personally I'd opt for a decent lightweight x86 laptop vs a tablet. I'm not crazy about chromebooks though. I'd personally take the Note 12.2 over a chromebook any day, but that's just me.
Thanks. I keep thinking about a laptop but wonder about battery life, weight and the lack of instant-on, etc. I have my desktop always on so x86 isn't a problem. I saw the Tab Pro 12.2 at Best Buy today (they didn't have the Note Pro 12.2) and the size was fine.
However, on your keyboard issue. My concern is that I would like it to be connected so that it can act as a solid laptop replacement. It sounds like you use yours, say, around the house? Not sure how comfortable I'd be transporting two devices like that.
Years ago I'd loathe the thought of converting to Mac but I gotta tell ya, the retina macbook pros are pretty sweet in regards to battery life and instant on . . .
Agree with Zaptoons. Mobile platforms are always a compromise. I have to wonder if you'll be able to do the Wordpress work on Android, though I do see that there are apps for it.
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Years ago I'd loathe the thought of converting to Mac but I gotta tell ya, the retina macbook pros are pretty sweet in regards to battery life and instant on . . .
Agree with Zaptoons. Mobile platforms are always a compromise. I have to wonder if you'll be able to do the Wordpress work on Android, though I do see that there are apps for it.
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On the Mac, that might be a bit out of the price range for this purchase. I also really despise Apple on too many fronts. I recommend them highly and readily -- just not for me so far, but I will continue to refresh the thinking.
On Wordpress work, it really comes down to the capability of the browser. As long as it supports a solid browser experience, I should be okay. I hit Best Buy today to see if the 12.2 would be "too big" and it wasn't. I loaded the browser and it seemed to be solid. I just wasn't comfortable logging into Wordpress though. No idea about stored accounts, etc.
I hear you on the mac.
Definition of solid performance is subjective, you realize that right?
Let's put it this way; unless there's a tablet specific application to do what you need to on wordpress then nothing other than screen size is going to differ between the Note Pro and your s4. The browsers are going to be about the same.
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Leading up to the launch of the Note Pro 12.2 I was eager to get one. Then I stopped by Best Buy and, on a whim, picked up the Acer C720P Chromebook. For a third the cost it doesn't have as big, high resolution or bright of a screen as the Note Pro but it has served me well for everything I need in a mobile device. I even stopped using my Note 10.1 OG. Notice I said mobile device. The Acer has typically given me a solid 7 hours of batter life which is amazing.
Having said that...if you are worried about needing reading glasses and want more screen real estate, the Note Pro might be your path. Though, with a higher resolution type is smaller at normal zoom. You can simply zoom in for bigger text.
If WordPress is your thing, the Chromebook will handle that with no issues. It is a browser afterall.
I'm still contemplating the Note Pro but it is not at the top of my wish list since I purchased the Chromebook. At first it was weird to get used to but it is second nature now and the added offline support for most of the Google apps has sealed the deal for me.
Just my two cents.
Again, great info from all. My thoughts:
1. I haven't had good luck with Android Wordpress apps. To me, they're all a kludge. However, that doesn't mean you can't be productive with Wordpress on Android. The limitation on my S4 is real estate. The browser seems to work fine but I can't be effective with the size of the screen or the keyboard. I suspect a larger screen would work. In part I was hoping I'd get lucky and find another Wordpress user who happened to have luck (or no luck) on this device or a similar one.
2. I have a bit of a klunky Chromebook. A while back I installed Chrome on a eePC -- an entry level Asus T100 or something like that. It's a horrible piece of HARDWARE. I have zero issues with the OS itself and it feels very natural to me. However, I have this haunting feeling that Chrome itself is becoming a dinosaur. As Android continues to prosper, it's dwarfing Chrome to such a point that, I suspect, Android will evolve into being an OS we can use on any device. Maybe I'm missing something entirely about its potential, but that's my thinking. There isn't much going on in the development world for it compared to Android where there's exponentially more options.
Right now, having seen it, I'm concerned about ease of keyboard use (physical). Given the top-heavy design of the tablet having most of the weight, using it on my lap looks pretty impossible. The right keyboard seems an issue too. Samsung's has those raised edges that, I suspect my wrists will want to sit on (ouch). Logitech's keyboard sounds great except for the fact that most of the reviews of it contain horror stories of the Note Pro falling out of its clasps. The other options are all poorly reviewed.
Asus has the combo Android/Windows device but its not all that impressive. Heck, I'd rather it was an Android/Chrome device. hehe
It also appears as if the hybrid options from Asus are cancelled due to pressure from both Google and Microsoft. hehe Neither their Duet or Trio looked all that impressive (lousy battery life, Android 4.2, low resolution, average screens).
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I'm in the market for a tablet (or possibly a Chromebook). I'm an editor of a website and need to be able to use it to work on my Wordpress site effectively so strong browser support and keyboard input is crucial.
I like the idea of an Android tablet as I own a Galaxy S4 and have a large collection of Android apps already. Thus, it would also start out with a nice collection of apps.
I'm a bit unclear as to the differences between the Tab Pro 12.2 and the Note Pro 12.2. They seem very alike except for the stylus. Clearly I'm missing something as that's not much to account for the price difference.
I have an iPad 2 and it's nice but I can't really work on it at all. It's too small to enjoy movies on and, sorry, it's Apple so it's too limited.
I'm also wondering about keyboards. If I got this way, should I get the Samsung keyboard, Logitech keyboard or some other keyboard? I'd like to find a very responsive keyboard. It would be an additional boon if it were also pretty quiet. My GF gets disturbed by late night typing on my desktop gaming keyboard.
I'm older so larger is better for my eyes. I'm at a point where I often pretty much need reading glasses for my S4 now.
For ages I was thinking I wanted a Transformer of some design but Asus seems to have fallen behind. Samsung seems to give me lots of potential breathing room.
Any input greatly appreciated.
Which way did u decide to go? I'd love to know your thoughts!
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The only difference is the stylus really. If you plan to be taking this to meetings or digitize any part of your handwriting, then the NOTE pro is the device to get, as the TAB pro has no stylus and thus does not specialize itself in taking handwritten notes. I got the wifi version, im satisfied, although probably the LTE snapdragon version may be slightly snappier. If samsung decides to offer some decent customer support in terms of software then overall this will be a good buy. Other than thati find battery life great. I havent used keyboards yet, however if you plan to be using this at a desk u will find the extra screen size v v useful vs the 10 inches. If u plan to be holding it in bed a lot, it could get some time to get used to,but i did. Multi window is v useful in making the experience more windows like and enhances productivity. Browser support is good but not quite the pc levels yet.
You could not investigate surface pro 3 vs this one.
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The only difference is the stylus really. If you plan to be taking this to meetings or digitize any part of your handwriting, then the pro is the device to get.
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They both are called Pro. You meant to say Note Pro if using S pen for note taking. I think there is also difference in RAM, Note Pro has 3Gb, Tab Pro has 2.
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They both are called Pro. You meant to say Note Pro if using S pen for note taking. I think there is also difference in RAM, Note Pro has 3Gb, Tab Pro has 2.
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Edited and clarified. Thanks
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I'm also wondering about keyboards. If I got this way, should I get the Samsung keyboard, Logitech keyboard or some other keyboard? I'd like to find a very responsive keyboard. It would be an additional boon if it were also pretty quiet. My GF gets disturbed by late night typing on my desktop gaming keyboard.
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I went with the Note Pro 12.2. I'm very glad I did. Here are same random observations:
1. It's not quite as "polished" as an iPad but it is more flexible in use. I'll take that any day.
2. The size is excellent. Very good for watching a film at the airport, etc.
3. Google seems to be the worst thing about the device. Limitations I find all lead to them at the end. For example, Chrome (the browser) is a cheap imitation of its cousins on PC and Chromebooks. It doesn't do spell checking well, it has odd bugs like opening tabs by using the keyboard. Hit CTRL-T and you'll have to sometimes do it twice to get a new tab and then you get two. Google also doesn't give devs a way to re-assign mouse buttons should you use a bluetooth mouse for a bit of laptop-replacement work. That gets a bit strange as the right mouse button doesn't bring up options (like you get when you hold a screen link or item on the touchscreen) but instead acts like the back button on the device. Doh.
4. The keyboards are all a mixed bag. The Zagg is okay but has annoying raised corners than your hands sit on when typing and its also a bit cheap feeling and not very responsive. The Samsung keyboard isn't really a case. It's more like a snap-on cover that's entirely unconnected when used as a keyboard It just lets the tablet sit at an angle in it which makes it tough to use in bed, for example. It also has the same terrible raised corners. The Logitech is the best of the lot. Quiet, well laid-out and robust. However, it too has its own had-banging issues. You can't reassign its macro keys so if you use a different mail app, tough. Hitting the Mail button will bring up Gmail. The Browser button has an annoying bug that forces you to ALWAYS select which browser you'd like to use no matter how many times you "set the default browser". It also lacks the keyboard app Logitech provides for ALL their other similar keyboards including one made for the Tab 10.1. Go figure. Their own support reps don't even understand this.
Regardless, I'm an old quality assurance professional so I can be very opinionated and a perfectionist so this is a very short list of gripes from me. I still wouldn't own anything else given what I've tried and seen. Very happy customer so far. Having access to all my Android apps is great. I just wish Google would look at Android as a complete OS and stop limiting it to just a hand-held-type OS. Give it a FULL version of Chrome. In fact, just dump the fairly useless Chromium OS and put your efforts into this.
Great info!
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I went with the Note Pro 12.2. I'm very glad I did. Here are same random observations:
1. It's not quite as "polished" as an iPad but it is more flexible in use. I'll take that any day.
2. The size is excellent. Very good for watching a film at the airport, etc.
3. Google seems to be the worst thing about the device. Limitation I find all find them at the end. For example, Chrome (the browser) is a cheap imitation of its cousins on nearly the PC and Chrome books. It doesn't do spell checking well, it has odd bugs like opening tabs by using the keyboard. Hit CTRL-T and you'll have to sometimes do it twice to get a new tab and then you get two. Google also doesn't give devs a way to re-assign mouse buttons should you use a bluetooth mouse for a bit of laptop-replacement work. That gets a bit strange as the right mouse button doesn't bring up options (like you get when you hold a screen link or item on the touchscreen) but instead acts like the back button on the device. Doh.
4. The keyboards are all a mixed bag. The Zagg is okay but has annoying raised corners than your hands sit on when typing and its also a bit cheap feeling and not very responsive. The Samsung keyboard isn't really a case. It's more like a snap-on cover that's entirely unconnected when used as a keyboard It just lets the tablet sit at an angle in it which makes it tough to use in bed, for example. It also has the same terrible raised corners. The Logitech is the best of the lot. Quiet, well laid-out and robust. However, it too has its own had-banging issues. You can't reassign its macro keys so if you use a different mail app, tough. Hitting the Mail button will bring up Gmail. The Browser button has an annoying bug that forces you to ALWAYS select which browser you'd like to use no matter how many times you "set the default browser". It also lacks the keyboard app Logitech provides for ALL their other similar keyboards including one made for the Tab 10.1. Go figure. Their own support reps don't even understand this.
Regardless, I'm an old quality assurance professional so I can be very opinionated and a perfectionist so this is a very short list of gripes from me. I still wouldn't own anything else given what I've tried and see. Very happy customer so far. Having access to all my Android apps is great. I just wish Google would look at Android as a complete OS and stop limiting it to just a hand-held-type OS. Give it a FULL version of Chrome. In fact, just dump the fairly useless Chromium OS and put your efforts into this.
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Awesome information! Thanks for taking the time to share your impressions. I'm having a difficult time pulling the trigger on this purchase (why??) and your opinion helps a bunch! Thanks again!