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Objective :
Create an Update Utility based on the Windows Update in Official ROMs
Description :
My idea is to create a ROM that can be updated without the need of RUU we use now. For example, you have Core2.0n version of my ROM and since you installed it, I created another version, for example Core3. In order to update you'd normally have to download the latest ROM to your PC and re-flash your HTC Wizard.
I want to allow you to go online directly from your Wizard and check for new version. If new version found, then automatically download and flash. All you'd need is an Internet connection.
Limits/Problems :
There are some problems about this. This is where I need help.
Usually the PPC turns OFF and then the RUU writes the ROM. With the way I want it, the ROM must be written while the device is ON...and then it would do a Hard Reset in order to complete the Update.
I don't know yet if this is possible, but I am willing to try.
What I need :
People with Assembler knowledge
People with good PPC knowledge and understanding
Huge amount of luck
I remember someone here already tried to restore the Windows Update components. Unfortunately I can't remember who and if he succeeded or not.
I'll search for his thread and post any update.
The ORIGINAL thread is located HERE. Please feel free to join the development crew.
The idea looks cool, it will allow us to redistribute updates and fixes to our roms more easy
But we have to figure out how the windows update feature is working, and how it manages to flash the downloaded update
I think that it downloads the updates to the storage card (in most cases there is not enough space in storage to store whole rom image) and then instructs the boot loader to flash the file from the card (this way it will be logical)
Also that way will be similar for all devices not just the wizard.
So the rom cookers can personalize windows update settings to update their roms trough it (of course separetely for every device)
xplode said:
The idea looks cool, it will allow us to redistribute updates and fixes to our roms more easy
But we have to figure out how the windows update feature is working, and how it manages to flash the downloaded update
I think that it downloads the updates to the storage card (in most cases there is not enough space in storage to store whole rom image) and then instructs the boot loader to flash the file from the card (this way it will be logical)
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I think we'll try to do that. However I doubt that Microsoft intended to use a Storage Card for update. This makes me curious on what method they would have used.
Other problem would be error checking...We must know for certain the OS is not corrupted before attempting the update.
Maybe I didn't said it...but I will say it now. My intention is only to flash through the air an OS, that means no other components, like SPL, IPL , radio or SplashScreens will be altered by the Update so no chance of bricking the device plus making the whole process easier to accomplish.
Other idea is to study the way that security programs (anti theft) use they're software so that the data is included in the rom with a simple install.(they say the program will be there even after a hard reset...though i didn't tried any)
I am sad to notice so little enthusiasm from people around here.
This would affect chefs more than regular people but still.
Back to business...
Questions :
Is it possible to flash directly the ROM with the PDA turned on ?
If so, how can we access the ROM directly ?
How to use .pkg ? Can we make use of them ?
Considering the Update deals only with relative minor changes, this means we can leave the XIP out. We can think of new Builds as major upgrades and require the use of normal flash. The big problem..and unfortunately the thing I know less about it's managing to insert the new update in a very "raw" manner.
I am firmly convinced that few people here posses the knowledge to do this.
Please come in front and let's make this thing happen.
I could try to reverse engineer the default windows update but it would take a great deal of time and I would probably get stuck without some help.
P.S. I managed to find the thread I was talking about before. It's located here.
I think is a great idea my friend. However there are many things to think before trying to do it. First of all to flash the new files you shall need to make a pdoc write but i have now idea how can be made via the device itself.
Where are the "patches" being stored before they are updated?
May be the process of hard reset shold be manual. This are only some toughts.
i would help u as much as i can...
great idea !
the update can be on the storage card and one can put the device into
bootloader/update mode by running this little program in the windows dir
to switch it to the 3 color screen.
With this WM5torage program i can acces the romchip itself and write it.
not sure wether it messes up things.
not sure if this will delete contents of the storagecard itself...
another thought... why not make the updatepackage and let windowsupdate install it for you ?
I think the best way to procede is to find out how to make a pkg file (faria seems to know) and then to sniff what the windows update app does when connecting to the MS server and see if we can emulate that on a test server.
Midget_1990 said:
I think the best way to procede is to find out how to make a pkg file (faria seems to know) and then to sniff what the windows update app does when connecting to the MS server and see if we can emulate that on a test server.
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All your ideas are great. But this was exactly what i had in mind. It seems the easiest way....only so little time right now. So...where`s Faria ?
P.S. Sorry for late reply...i thought ppl don`t care and i didn`t checked the thread
Does somebody of you have such a pkg file?
As I understand it right, this file will be delivered by windows update to the client?
I never got an Update via Windows Update... Everytime I try, there are no updates available ^^
Sniffing the Windows Update would be easy, I think. I could bet that all this stuff is done via a Webservice. That's the I would do it
Has anyone ever updated anything using that Windows Update? It's highly unlikely it will download a whole new ROM, maybe just some cabs which won't touch the ROM altogether, just mess around in registry.
And who needs to keep the device on while updating if you'd make a hard reset afterwards?
It can even be done now...
any back-up program
a cook who's willing to release ROMS on some stable host (NOT rapidshare where address changes)
a diff utility to download only the parts of the ROM that changed
A small app which writes XXXXIMG.BIN to storage card and enters bootloader.
Much harder task is to get rid of ROMs altogether and take control of the only advantage they give: XIP. I mean, why don't use a tool to convert the new apps to XIP format making them a part of the ROM?
@anichillus
I can provide u with the package but it will take some time..u see i have WM6 Emulator..but cant make it to use Internet Connection of my PC..so the Update manager starts but doesent download (no connectivity)..will see what i can do
i got the internet working..but when i click update..it doesent give any packages..what now
1st i have to say this site and all the people here ROCK!!!! very informative,sometimes even with illustrations. i'm learning here.
1. I ordered an unlocked AT&T 8525 w/ WM5, BUT.....when i received it,it was never unlocked & it had WM6 professional on it..so of course i came here and Sim & CID unlocked it quick. "THESE GUYS ARE ALL AWESOME" .
Now this is what i have installed on my AT&T 8525(bare with me guys,plzz)
HTC Album
HTC Audio Manager
HTC Audio Manager Today Plug-in
SPB Mobile Shell2
SPB Phone Suite
SPB pocket Plus4
Tiermann SlideSound
Shape Services IM+SP
PocketCM Keyboard 0.14
SJ Keyboard Skin-Touch
csKB_Cert
Cloudy Fa 2G DialPad
TeddyKing & AX3l ZoomSMS
Storage Program
Total 44.77mb 48.77mb
In Use 31.57mb 38.76mb
Free 13.20 10.01mb
i know,i know i am soooo noob,lol
but i noticed alot of you guys have alot move free space than i do but with more programs/apps/games etc. installed
i've heard alot about this "HARD-SPL" APP, should i have installed that after i unlocked my phone & installed the Apps or should i have installed some of these roms to save more space? gee i'm a noob,i've never had a windows based phone. Ooh BTW i have a 1gb storage card,hopefully gettin into a 4 0r 8gb.
my friend even has an app which he doesn't tell me where he got it or show me on his phone the name.but when he opens his keyboard and closes it,it responds quickly into landscape and back to portrait,REAL FAST. what App is that..he doesn't wanna share his knowledge, that is why i told him about this site but can't find it..wow he newbie..but anyways, hope to learn more & more from you guys...ALL YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME WITH ALL YOUR WORK ON APPS/PROGRAMS,KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
Thanks In Advance for all the help...be safe fellas
G'day Joee and welcome. 1st, the reason other people have a lot more free memory is because they're running a cooked rom... This means that all the bloat programs/carrier crap has been removed and other better apps put in. You can find the cooked apps by going to the wiki and doing a search for hermes cooked roms.
Now, so saying, you need to install the Hard SPL onto your phone BEFORE you flash a new os as this decreases the chance of "bricking" your phone or increases the chances of recovering it if you do(we all have this happen sometime).. I'm glad you asked this before becoming another noob begging for help because he's bricked his phone and cant recover. As I say though, there is still a chance of permanently bricking, no guarantees. If you decide to flash your phone up you need to be aware that if something goes wrong and it has to be returned you may find your warranty voided. However ther are ways to return your phone back to the stock rom if you look.
You may read about radio roms and think you need to flash yours up to the latest... WRONG.... Depending where you are and who your carrier is depends on what radio rom you should have. If you find it works fine, DONT TOUCH IT as mast bricks are caused by flashing the radio rom and having something go wrong during the flash. 9 times out of 10 you cant recover, even with Had SPL.....
Now you're sufficiently afraid of flashing, Please read Mr Vanx's guide as this will REALLY help if you decide to do it. I personally recommend flashing using the sd card method as it is safer and you dont need to kill anyone who even looks at your computer while its flashing. Using the computer can cause hassles with people accidently hitting reset buttons, pulling out usb cables or just a good old fashioned blackout. SD card method just relies on a file on your sd card and the fact you have 50% battery power.. You can find out how in the wiki...
Anyways, if I haven't frightened you off completely, I would suggest , as a first rom, TNT SE. Its a fairly stable rom with a heap of 3rd party apps or if you want LOTS of memory go with a lite rom... Anything from Schapps, Matt_KR(also known as pandora), Faria, K's Pays or PDAViet (many more but you get the drift). Wait for a little while until you get experienced with wm06 before trying wm6.1 - still has teething problems.
Well, Welcome & Happy Flashing......
ultramag69, your pointing me the right way,thanks!!!! also thanks for responding to my thread,i'm glad i ran into this site. you guys are doing lots of amazing things with alot of the apps/progs,all in all you guys are AWESOME!!. i'm glad you answered me before i would had made a mistake and brick my phone. As for the carrier i'm using, i'm using " IMMIX WIRELESS", i think they are associated with Keystone. so once i "reset my phone to factory settings i use "hard-spl" & use a rom, i automatically lose all the "junk" AT&T add to their phones. yeah,free space i guess,COOOL. Oh BTW,what hard-spl do i use? V7 or V9? probably will be hard to find the "lite Rom" as you suggested.
thanks alot for the help again & hopefully learn alot more before i actually do the "HARD-SPL" flash & go modding happy.
Ok, you DONT need to reset to factory. you can just Hard SPL your phone straightway. You can then install a rom as well. Just remember that when you flash a rom you will wipe everything off the phone.
As to what Hard SPL to use, if you read about each one you will find that ver. 9 is for developers, people who muck about and improve things on our phones. We get the benefits later, but if you just wanna start off easy to flash and upgrade I'd go with ver.7. You can upgrade SPL's later if you start to get into flashing hardcore...
If you did some reading you would've found this out. I like helping people, I was where you are now once, but some people DO get nasty if a question is asked with you not looking through the forum first. Chances ae your question has been asked AND answered multiple times over. Word to the wise......
AS for the flashing.... flash Hard SPL off your computer. I find this easiest as it literally takes about 2 secs.... Howver for the rom I would suggest the SD card method(It's my personnel favourite)as its safer than with the pc. If you follow the guide you will need to backup your sd card then format it fat 32... If you've already formatted fat 32 and want to keep all the apps installed and pics etc... on there I've found you can just install the .nbh file directly onto the card WITHOUT formatting and loosing anything. Just remember to ename it to "hermimg.nbh". Put your hermes into bootloader with the card installed and it will automatically detect and start the flash process. Follow the prompts.... MAKE SURE YOU HAVE GREATER THAN 50% BATTERY POWER... very important..
Happy flashing and good luck.....
thanks again
ultramag69, thanks alot & i'm sorry if i asked q's that were answered b4, i guess i would i have to search with the correct wording 0r word...once again thanks for the help..i know i will learn alot from every1 here and who knows i'll be like you guys in no time
thanks again
thank you very much,did my 1st flash rom,i used Faria R32...nice,fast & good storage..you pointed the way for me & i thank you for the help...like i always say,YOU GUYS ALL ROCK!!!
ok so all take the chance i know this has been posted a lot on this forum but to be honest the information i obtained from all the threads is not sufficient enough to solve the problem which is IS IT POSSIBLE TO CARRY OUT A FULL BACKUP AND RESTORE ON THE HD USING THE VARIOUS BACKUP SOFTWARE THAT WE HAVE SUCH AS SPB BACKUP, SPRITE ETC.. surely there must be a solution out there somewhere to carry out a full backup and restore because now that we have everything moving over at the hd rom development forum with new roms everyday surely a complete backup and restore of the entire system of the HD is now more important than ever because there is now a lot of software for us to use on our HD so please dont flame me for bringing this up again but its just a desparete attempt to get help. perhaps this way, the programers can then help to make some software that makes it possible to make a full backup and restore on the HD, or even maybe starting a poll or something with people stating what software they have successively used to perform a complete backup and restore thank you again guys and to be gratefull for this great website that makes it possible to provide us with a better device i will make my donation on 27/01/09 thank you xda, lots of love from UK
I think your . button is jammed LOL
I've been wondering the same thing, really. I'm pretty new to these devices. How do people cope with new ROMs coming out all the time as far as installed software? Is there a way to install everything you want including all the dang activation keys, then make a backup that will re-install everything once you update the ROM?
Not sure whether there is an easy answer. I don't think you can save all the various settings - but that does not take long. Place as many as your apps on the storage card a possible. Make sure you keep the original installation cab files on the storage card.
The difficult one (for me) is the bookmarks in Opera. I now keep the URLs on an email on my Pc and resend it after a hard reset. They each have to be opened and saved as bookmarks but at least no typing.
If there is an easier way I would be keen to hear as well.
I use Sprite Backup 6.5 for full restores after ROM Updates, and Level 1 (Personal data and programs) updates have never failed. Tested quite a few non-official ROMs from this forum, never had a problem. Never tried restore after a hardreset, never did one.
i think the best backup-restore program is Spb backup restore. I have used Sprite but it always fails me when it comes to restore.
RaymondScrott said:
Not sure whether there is an easy answer. I don't think you can save all the various settings - but that does not take long. Place as many as your apps on the storage card a possible. Make sure you keep the original installation cab files on the storage card.
The difficult one (for me) is the bookmarks in Opera. I now keep the URLs on an email on my Pc and resend it after a hard reset. They each have to be opened and saved as bookmarks but at least no typing.
If there is an easier way I would be keen to hear as well.
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I notice that each time i flash with a new ROM .. I have to re-install all the programs from my storage card again .. though most of the apps i have installed it on the Storage card ...
Lucas0511 said:
I use Sprite Backup 6.5 for full restores after ROM Updates, and Level 1 (Personal data and programs) updates have never failed. Tested quite a few non-official ROMs from this forum, never had a problem. Never tried restore after a hardreset, never did one.
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Does anyone know what's the different between the 3 levels ?
Let's say I have my ROM and programs running perfectly but I wanna try out new cab files .. I will do a back-up and if anything happens I restore with level 3 ??
My vote is Sprite Backup. Have used it from many years and each update improves on the last. It is stable, functional and easy to use.
We're busy getting at least 10 Xperia's after the initial succesful test of 1.
and its a perfect solution, although with some modifications.
and what i dont want is to install, setup and tweak every single one of them.
i've looked into SPB Clone, but so far i havent been able to decide whether thats a good one.
any other suggestions?
(a regular backup-restore tool doesnt work, because it doesnt work well on restoring on another phone)
thanks in advance
one tiny little kick
why not post 11 to me and i will tweak the 10 for ya lol
bzzje said:
We're busy getting at least 10 Xperia's after the initial succesful test of 1.
and its a perfect solution, although with some modifications.
and what i dont want is to install, setup and tweak every single one of them.
i've looked into SPB Clone, but so far i havent been able to decide whether thats a good one.
any other suggestions?
(a regular backup-restore tool doesnt work, because it doesnt work well on restoring on another phone)
thanks in advance
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u say a regular back up software does not work but spb backup has a rom upgrade option. if u set up one x1 and then do a full backup, then take the self extracting file, copy it to all the x1's sd card (or do one at a time, swapping sd card between x1 to x1) and the double tap on the file to start the restore using the rom upgrade option it will do a perfect upgrade on each handset.
the one thing u would need to change is the handset name after the restore so that u can send stuff (bluetooth, wifi etc) between phones
Here they are working on a solution for our 'problems'. They found a way to update WM-devices without loosing data.
Ganondolf said:
u say a regular back up software does not work but spb backup has a rom upgrade option. if u set up one x1 and then do a full backup, then take the self extracting file, copy it to all the x1's sd card (or do one at a time, swapping sd card between x1 to x1) and the double tap on the file to start the restore using the rom upgrade option it will do a perfect upgrade on each handset.
the one thing u would need to change is the handset name after the restore so that u can send stuff (bluetooth, wifi etc) between phones
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i tried spb backup, but not yet with the rom upgrade option... lets try that...
thanks!
Cook your own ROM
As the headline says: I want to remove, or go back to WM, but without deleting everything and go back to scratch... I have some appointments that I want to save, and that I don't have anywhere else... (I can't find them now that Android is running...)
Please, please help me...
(Could the software make my appointments disappear?
Can somebody see if these software information is 'correct':
OS Version
5.2.23138
Manila version
2.5.20183025.0
ROM version
18.Sep.2010 WWE
Radio version
2.07.51.22_2
Protocol version
15.32.50.07U
Just reboot your phone.
reboot? as in turning it off and on? It doesn't work... And neither does taking the battery out.... Sorry, my english is very bad, so I don't know what reboot is, or how I do it... Thnx...
kjessa_83 said:
reboot? as in turning it off and on? It doesn't work... And neither does taking the battery out.... Sorry, my english is very bad, so I don't know what reboot is, or how I do it... Thnx...
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you've posted in four threads that you can't get back to windows. If you shut the phone down and power on again, its simply not believable that you can't get into windows. if you are using an auto bootloader, then it should at least briefly give you an option to boot into windows. so, are you using an autoboot program?
If you happened to install a rom that autoboots android, (I'm guessing, can't see any other reason why a reboot wouldn't work), try turning off your phone, taking out the sdcard, then booting it up.
I'm sorry, but I don't know what to do... There's so many things that doesn't work.. That's why I posted it so many places... I don't know if I am using an autoboot program or not.. I followed the instructions from Youtube that everybody were positive about. And no, I don't get the option to boot into windows when I reboot the phone..
Android boots from your SD card so justtake it out and reboot phone and android wont load up.
Once in there you can uninstall the autoboot or flash a new version of windows or whatever you need to do.
No, that didn't work either... I thought it was very strange, because I heard about people who switched between android and wm... So I don't know what's wrong...
kjessa_83 said:
No, that didn't work either... I thought it was very strange, because I heard about people who switched between android and wm... So I don't know what's wrong...
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If you take the SD card out like others had suggested and turn your phone off and on, Android won't boot as it runs off the SD card (for the time bing anyway).
No SD card = No Android
kjessa_83 said:
No, that didn't work either... I thought it was very strange, because I heard about people who switched between android and wm... So I don't know what's wrong...
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If after removing SD card and rebooting you still boot into Android, then you either :
1. have a NAND version of Android (not sure if that's even available now)
2. have an Android phone (top part of Evo looks like Leo)
Sorry, but my SDcard is on the table, and Android is still running... What have I done...?
like i said, you either have :
1. NAND version of Android (not sure if this is even available)
or 2. an actual Android phone (top part of Evo looks like Leo)
kjessa_83 said:
Sorry, but my SDcard is on the table, and Android is still running... What have I done...?
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Did the youtube video you watched, ask you to flash a new WM rom. Are you sure your not mistaking your new WM rom as android, as it possibly looks different to your original ROM (which if you havnt backed up your data, you've already lost those appointments)
I suggest you watch a video of andriod, and see if it looks the same as your phone.
If it does, and your phone is definetily a HD2 Leo, and Android is running, Do you know anybody that goes by the name of Cotulla?....lol.
MaxSense modification for sense is an Android like interface.
I have neither NAND version nor Android phone...
kjessa_83 said:
As the headline says: I want to remove, or go back to WM, but without deleting everything and go back to scratch... I have some appointments that I want to save, and that I don't have anywhere else... (I can't find them now that Android is running...)
Please, please help me...
(Could the software make my appointments disappear?
Can somebody see if these software information is 'correct':
OS Version
5.2.23138
Manila version
2.5.20183025.0
ROM version
18.Sep.2010 WWE
Radio version
2.07.51.22_2
Protocol version
15.32.50.07U
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Are these settings showing on your phone Under settings / about phone / software information?? If so you are in WM, not Android. And sorry to say you have lost your appointments, unless you backed them up using PIM backup or something similiar, which im guessing from this thread you didn't.
Just by looking at this Ive determined that the OP doesnt really know what he is doing at all. The software information that he posted indicates he flashed a custom WM rom (probably energy) and thinks its android.
kjessa_83: You are running a custom version of WM, NOT android!! If you want to go back to the original rom, I suggest you find the official rom, and flash that. Btw, if you cant tell the difference between WM and android, maybe you shouldnt be messing around with the phone...
The folder that I copied to my SDcard is called Android, so how come it's WM?
bobmarsh72 said:
Did the youtube video you watched, ask you to flash a new WM rom. Are you sure your not mistaking your new WM rom as android, as it possibly looks different to your original ROM (which if you havnt backed up your data, you've already lost those appointments)
I suggest you watch a video of andriod, and see if it looks the same as your phone.
If it does, and your phone is definetily a HD2 Leo, and Android is running, Do you know anybody that goes by the name of Cotulla?....lol.
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Cotulla? huh, why?
It's for sure that I don't know what I'm doing... But I thought that if I did what "autotradeking" did in his video, I wouldn't do anything wrong...??