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Stable Gingerbread build for daily yet?

Sometimes interpreting all the [tags] and t3Rmin0logy in the dev forum can be a bit of a headache for us non-dev types who are just looking for the latest and greatest ROMs and kernels to try out without necessarily compiling something from scratch.
So that's why I made this post. I'm really interested in trying out a Gingerbread 2.3 ROM but I'm not sure what the general consensus is on this without reading several hundred posts/replies.
Can anyone with insight summarize?

Basically, you won't have a stable gingerbread release until:
- CM7 is declared stable (for AOSP roms)
- HTC releases a gingerbread ROM themselves (for Sense roms)
Neither of those appear to be about to happen in the immediate future. So for now, I don't think any of them are officially considered stable for daily use.

Ive been using the ROM in this thread as my daily driver for a while now. Enjoy
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=877653

Been running evervolv since the beginning and I use it as my daily. I absolutely love it. The only problem right now is the gps works great for some and off and on for others but the developer has added the app gps status to the newest build and the gps seems very stable now as a result. Also, as of right now the camcorder doesnt work but it is being worked on. Other than that u just have the other issues like u would with any other aosp rom. Which is no 4g and no hdmi. But if your wanting to try gb I highly recommend this rom. The developer is awesome and it's been updated almost nightly. Like I said, I've been using it everyday since it's been out and haven't regretted it one bit. Hope that helps.
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bkrodgers said:
Basically, you won't have a stable gingerbread release until:
- CM7 is declared stable (for AOSP roms)
- HTC releases a gingerbread ROM themselves (for Sense roms)
Neither of those appear to be about to happen in the immediate future. So for now, I don't think any of them are officially considered stable for daily use.
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I would have to disagree with that. Like I just stated, I've been using evervolv as my daily and haven't thought twice about it. Besides gps being a little shaky and no video recording I would have to say it's been as stable as any other rom I've ran and I've ran almost all of them.
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i'm running the cm7 rc0 right now and it is pretty sweet. i wont be using it as a daily driver because i love sense's widgets especially the task one. but if you like aosp roms then it is your dream.

corzo002 said:
Ive been using the ROM in this thread as my daily driver for a while now. Enjoy
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=877653
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You don't need video recording or GPS? Or is that fixed now? I've been watching the thread (not lately though because of the holiday) and all that still needs work. I'd love to use this ROM as a daily driver but I need video rec. and GPS/Latitude/Sprint Family Locator are a must.

Tiffany84 said:
I would have to disagree with that. Like I just stated, I've been using evervolv as my daily and haven't thought twice about it. Besides gps being a little shaky and no video recording I would have to say it's been as stable as any other rom I've ran and I've ran almost all of them.
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then I wouldn't consider that "stable"..

phistyle said:
then I wouldn't consider that "stable"..
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Well video and gps aren't really that important to me but actually gps is working fine for me on evervolv's latest release. So for what I need it to do it's extremely stable. Just depends on what your needs are.
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Tiffany84 said:
Well video and gps aren't really that important to me but actually gps is working fine for me on evervolv's latest release. So for what I need it to do it's extremely stable. Just depends on what your needs are.
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Shaky GPS + no video = GARBAGE. I don't think most people use the Evo just for phone calls. Myn's rom with the gingerbread keyboard has been more then enough to hold me over until he comes out with a 2.3 rom. CM is cool n all but no 4G or HDMI is wack. If you bought the evo to use all its features and not because it looks like an oversized iphone, just stick with Myn and try to be patient.
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I'm so sorry I like aosp more than 4g. 4g only makes tethering faster our browser and stuff will still process at low kilobit rates
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I've been using the GB rom posted by AndroidBall as a daily driver and have been very pleased. Camcorder FC and obviously no 4G (none in my area anyway) and no HDMI (no need), but otherwise rock solid and incredibly fast. The most impressive aspect of GB, or at least this rom, has been the battery life. As good as any rom I've ever tried and way better than any AOSP rom I've used previously. That alone is reason enough to stick with a somewhat incomplete version of GB for now.

welshwarriorsf said:
Shaky GPS + no video = GARBAGE. I don't think most people use the Evo just for phone calls. Myn's rom with the gingerbread keyboard has been more then enough to hold me over until he comes out with a 2.3 rom. CM is cool n all but no 4G or HDMI is wack. If you bought the evo to use all its features and not because it looks like an oversized iphone, just stick with Myn and try to be patient.
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mmm....and patience just oozes from your post.
assuming someone is able to read the OP on a given thread, they should be able to identify what is working vs not working. so long as the 'not workings' do not impact that user then it's fine.
some folks don't live in 4G areas and others (like myself) live in a 4G area but haven't missed it that much. although a second radio would be handy so Trillian doesn't loose connection when i get a phone call. Other folks feel that 4G is either a requisite or their god-given-right (the last one usually points out the $10 fee as their landmark).
and i haven't gone out to buy that $30 cable so i can watch 720p movies on my 1080p TV. my home network is setup to handle that task.
some folks just plain don't like using Sense or prefer to support/use ASOP as much as possible. many folks have commented on the speed and fun-features of CM.
that being said, the CM7RC0 is stable for standard usage (ie: it doesn't randomly reboot or try to melt your sdcard or format your home computer and is no long likely to try to kill your kitten. it has not reached RC1, which kinda means it's not done cooking (so...keep an eye on the kitten). I would expect a RC1 in the not too distant future. i've been using this thread .... just make sure to read the OP for things working vs not working.
when CM7 is released it should come wimax and maybe the upgraded hdmi.
what i like about Lithid's thread is that he doesn't try to take responsibly for the ROM. he just gave some good instructions on how to compile from the CM repo so that i can do it myself whenever i like. not that i'm likely to continue once the nightlys are back.

welshwarriorsf said:
Shaky GPS + no video = GARBAGE. I don't think most people use the Evo just for phone calls. Myn's rom with the gingerbread keyboard has been more then enough to hold me over until he comes out with a 2.3 rom. CM is cool n all but no 4G or HDMI is wack. If you bought the evo to use all its features and not because it looks like an oversized iphone, just stick with Myn and try to be patient.
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I wouldnt call them garbage but I agree with you in the point you made about not using a rom thats not 100% functional. Pretty much the main reason I stick with the sense roms.

I guess I just like my phones features to actually function. Guess that's a wild idea. $30 for micro hdmi to hdmi? Try $5.80 @ monoprice for 10 ft. and good quality too. Don't wanna watch 720p on your 1080p tv? No neither would I but you might wanna play a game you have on your phone, including all the roms you could have, on your tv. Or you could play 720p video that you shot on your phone on your big hdtv, but your rom might not even record video so so much for that idea. Why would you not want those things to work.
Its like: I got a keyboard to sell you, trouble is only 20 letters still work, but you probably don't use those anyway, still want it?
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Please try and stop being so defensive, Welsh. 4g and HDMI out are really cool features. I don't think anyone is going to argue that point with you. But for a lot of people, they are just not used much, if at all. Do I want to be able to plug my phone into my TV? Heck yes. And I have a cable for it. But why on earth would I ever need to do that? I have 5 computers I can hook up to my tv, plus a 360, ps3, wii, etc.
The only real use of the hdmi out, at least for me, is that I can take it to someone else's house and plug it into their tv, but I've never done that. I doubt I ever will, either, so it's a feature that I personally don't use.
Then there's 4g, which is another really cool feature that doesn't get much use. I have 4g where I'm at, but I also almost always have wifi, too, so again, I almost never use the feature. Also remember that a lot of people don't even get 4g service, so they can't use it.
A better keyboard analogy is this: I've got a keyboard to sell you. It's probably the nicest keyboard you'll ever use, but it has no function keys or a caps lock.
As long as you don't actually use the function keys or the caps lock, then the keyboard is a great choice. Similarly, Cyanogenmod is (in my opinion, of course) the best rom for this phone. Sure, it's missing some features (features that are being worked on, by the way). But I don't use them, so I'm not going to miss them. There's no need to get hostile.

welshwarriorsf said:
I guess I just like my phones features to actually function. Guess that's a wild idea. $30 for micro hdmi to hdmi? Try $5.80 @ monoprice for 10 ft. and good quality too. Don't wanna watch 720p on your 1080p tv? No neither would I but you might wanna play a game you have on your phone, including all the roms you could have, on your tv. Or you could play 720p video that you shot on your phone on your big hdtv, but your rom might not even record video so so much for that idea. Why would you not want those things to work.
Its like: I got a keyboard to sell you, trouble is only 20 letters still work, but you probably don't use those anyway, still want it?
Sent from my Evo 4G running Warm TwoPointTwo using the XDA app
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Problem is nothing is being sold or paid and there is no implied 100% functionality from the developers. I'd almost say if you want 100%, Sense and taking it a little further, Stock OEM Rom is your only real bet. Even the cleanest custom Sense Roms have little quirks.
So being overly critical of the "gifts" being given (by way of these Roms) is a little sh*tty but don't get me wrong, to each their own, people can gripe to the high heavens as it's just how people can be.
Everevolv has been very solid for me but I will deal with no 4G and no video recording (are these really that big of a deal to so many people?) and the Maps isn't essential BUT of all the things not working in this ASOP rom is the biggest in my mind... so I just don't get lost.
Anyone that has been in the "flashdance" game for awhile knows what we are getting ourselves into. If you aren't prepared, don't join this crowd. If you have a problem with a rom and would consider dogging it, then the easy thing to do is NOT FLASH IT. I really do think its bad taste to flame on about something you aren't paying and was provided freely and certainly not with malicious intent.
Maybe I'm just getting soft...

Tiffany84 said:
I would have to disagree with that. Like I just stated, I've been using evervolv as my daily and haven't thought twice about it. Besides gps being a little shaky and no video recording I would have to say it's been as stable as any other rom I've ran and I've ran almost all of them.
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I guess what I meant was more about it being "officially" stable. I don't think any of the developers of the GB roms are advertising it as a stable build yet. Evervolv isn't even being called a beta yet -- the dev is quite clear in calling it an alpha. That doesn't mean it can't meet your needs just fine for daily use. But nobody's claiming to have a ROM that's intended to be as solid as a 2.2 ROM yet.
I also think that it's fair to say that until CM, which I think it looked to as the definitive AOSP ROM developer (no offense to those behind MIUI or any of the other devs) says that CM7 is ready for prime time, it's still not quite there. And it's definitely fair to say that until HTC releases a GB update (or at least we see a beta leak), we won't see any Sense GB ROMs, at least nothing beyond an experimental hybrid of the two.
I may have also read too much into the subject of the OP. The body makes it clear (s)he is looking to go cutting edge. But the subject said stable for daily use, and I read that in the more stricter sense of whether something is declared stable.

bkrodgers said:
I guess what I meant was more about it being "officially" stable. I don't think any of the developers of the GB roms are advertising it as a stable build yet. Evervolv isn't even being called a beta yet -- the dev is quite clear in calling it an alpha. That doesn't mean it can't meet your needs just fine for daily use. But nobody's claiming to have a ROM that's intended to be as solid as a 2.2 ROM yet.
I also think that it's fair to say that until CM, which I think it looked to as the definitive AOSP ROM developer (no offense to MIUI or anyone other devs) says that CM7 is ready for prime time, it's still not quite there. And it's definitely fair to say that until HTC releases a GB update (or at least we see a beta leak), we won't see any Sense GB ROMs, at least nothing beyond an experimental hybrid of the two.
I may have also read too much into the subject of the OP. The body makes it clear (s)he is looking to go cutting edge. But the subject said stable for daily use, and I read that in the more stricter sense of whether something is declared stable.
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True. I suppose "Stable" really is subjective. I have no boot loops or randomness FC's or reboots, that's stable to me. A romrom that is stable yet completely unfunctional is no good but stable and hitting on most of the core functions of the phone works for somw, not for others.
Good post and who knows, the OP may have yet another idea of what stable is to them.

welshwarriorsf said:
I guess I just like my phones features to actually function. Guess that's a wild idea. $30 for micro hdmi to hdmi? Try $5.80 @ monoprice for 10 ft. and good quality too. Don't wanna watch 720p on your 1080p tv? No neither would I but you might wanna play a game you have on your phone, including all the roms you could have, on your tv. Or you could play 720p video that you shot on your phone on your big hdtv, but your rom might not even record video so so much for that idea. Why would you not want those things to work.
Its like: I got a keyboard to sell you, trouble is only 20 letters still work, but you probably don't use those anyway, still want it?
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.. desiring to have all the features work on your device makes total sense to me. but why should i cry over spilled milk when i don't use/drink milk?
.. like cole said, the only time i can see a use for the hdmi is if put a movie on my sdcard and went over to a friends house. yeah, that would be kinda slick. but i'd have to make sure to remember to bring the cable with me. which if you knew me...would make you laugh. prolly should get a larger sdcard as well.
.. i play real games on my big screen not AngryBirds or PenguinToss. i have taken only 3 or 4 video recordings with my evo since i got it opening weekend. all of them were me just testing/playing with settings.
.. if i like the keyboard and i don't use those keys, sure. the reverse would be like saying it's stoopid to buy a sports car (Corvette, Ferrari, Bugatti, etc) because you cannot use the primary feature set. or the avg single person using a SUV for their daily commute should take the train or ride a bike/moped.
do you you see what is trying to be conveyed here?
not everyone uses the device in the same way. this is a fine and wonderful thing. so long as we are aware that others may try to use the device in ways that we don't even think of. it's wise of us to remember this and be open to different utilization needs/desires. for example, one person is unable to migrate to CM6 due to no 4G. for them 4G was a real big deal since they tethered their pc to it everyday. i have yet to tether my device other than to show off. for someone else, they require GPS to be rock solid, i use it rarely. i do like the idea that i can compile my own OS, most folks don't give a ****. i like that i'm running an AOSP ROM, many folks don't know what it means or why some consider it important. do you see where i'm coming from? i don't slam your Sense based ROM's because they are slow and kludgey compared to CM. actually, if you want to know the gods honest truth...what i miss MOST from the Sense based ROMs....all over Copy/Paste and integrated FB picture sync to the contact list. those are features that feel i 'gave up' in order to run CM, not HDMI or 4G.
oh yeah, we are also discussing a RC0 ROM. do you know what RC0 means? it means the Dev's consider the ROM not ready for public consumption. it hasn't even reached official RC1 (aka: Beta). and i'll still run it before i run a Sense based ROM. every time i load a Sense ROM, my device is back onto CM before the following sunset occurs. but that is MY choice. it is MY preference. now gfowygdfsbrtbs.

New to droid X and Wanna root....HELP!

I have had probably 8-12 Android handsets. I recently switched to an iPhone from my EVO and I hated my iPhone. I wanted to go with something pretty similar to my EVO so I checked out the screen, specs, user reviews, etc. The Droid X sounded great, but since having it, it locks up, freezes, and Lags like a G1. This NOTHING like my EVO and is disappointing to say the least.
I'm really hoping that a custom ROM can speed up the interface and possibly help with the battery life. Any recommendations? I don't want to theme, or skin...no interest in changing the bootlogo, etc... I just want a nice and FAST phone.
I use a lot of apps...I DON'T let any apps refresh automatically though. I also use Launcher Pro. Thanks in advance.
(Please don't tell me to read the sticky. I have. I need some real life experienced reviews....maybe people who have had an EVO or who understand what I want. Thanks)

system6 said:
I have had probably 8-12 Android handsets. I recently switched to an iPhone from my EVO and I hated my iPhone. I wanted to go with something pretty similar to my EVO so I checked out the screen, specs, user reviews, etc. The Droid X sounded great, but since having it, it locks up, freezes, and Lags like a G1. This NOTHING like my EVO and is disappointing to say the least.
I'm really hoping that a custom ROM can speed up the interface and possibly help with the battery life. Any recommendations? I don't want to theme, or skin...no interest in changing the bootlogo, etc... I just want a nice and FAST phone.
I use a lot of apps...I DON'T let any apps refresh automatically though. I also use Launcher Pro. Thanks in advance.
(Please don't tell me to read the sticky. I have. I need some real life experienced reviews....maybe people who have had an EVO or who understand what I want. Thanks)
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LMFAO, i wrote the sticky, which has instructions on how to root and while I havent had the time to update everything I did cover some ROMs which include what you have asked for, so not quite sure what else you could be looking for.... But if you really want an explanation:
Root the phone using z4root and then try out a ROM like Rubix Focused 2.0.1. Drod2169 built the ROM and I am currently using it. The interface is very quick and responsive. He has added in multiple governor settings for overclock which include a conservative governor to allow for better battery life. You can use apps like Droid Overclock (jrummy16) and setCPU to change these governor settings as well. Rubix does very well when overclocked if that is something you are interested in.
If you are looking for a ROM that still has some Blur components in it, then try out Apex 1.4.1 or Rubix 2.0 Blurry. Both are very responsive and have some of the blur that certain people out there are looking for. Last but not least, it seems a great majority of people like Liberty 1.5. I used the ROM for quite some time, and it is very responsive, but a lot of people seem to have issues with lag or reboots. I never had this issue, so I can't quite speak to that issue...
ROM's are really more of a matter of personal choice. Try out a few and see what you like.
As far as a comparison to the EVO... my roommate has one, and 2 of my other best friends have one. I have done MULTIPLE benchmarking tools on their phones to compare against my X (on multiple ROMs). None of their tests have beat mine... In my opinion, the only differences between the EVO and the X is this:
1) Evo has unlocked Bootloader to allow custom kernels so you can run ROMS like CynanogenMod (but given time, CVPCS is compiling CM for the X)
2) Evo has front facing camera for those who can't wait to talk to people via a webcam.
3) Evo has a slightly quicker GPU (graphics processing unit) than the X, but winds up limited to 30FPS for the most part. Some of the benchmarks I have seen on the X jump it up to 62FPS on tests I have run.
4) Evo runs sense from HTC. If you want a "Sense" feel... some have made themes that look just like Sense....but you said you don't want a theme.
That's about it...

SysAdmin-X said:
LMFAO, i wrote the sticky, which has instructions on how to root and while I havent had the time to update everything I did cover some ROMs which include what you have asked for, so not quite sure what else you could be looking for.... But if you really want an explanation:
Root the phone using z4root and then try out a ROM like Rubix Focused 2.0.1. Drod2169 built the ROM and I am currently using it. The interface is very quick and responsive. He has added in multiple governor settings for overclock which include a conservative governor to allow for better battery life. You can use apps like Droid Overclock (jrummy16) and setCPU to change these governor settings as well. Rubix does very well when overclocked if that is something you are interested in.
If you are looking for a ROM that still has some Blur components in it, then try out Apex 1.4.1 or Rubix 2.0 Blurry. Both are very responsive and have some of the blur that certain people out there are looking for. Last but not least, it seems a great majority of people like Liberty 1.5. I used the ROM for quite some time, and it is very responsive, but a lot of people seem to have issues with lag or reboots. I never had this issue, so I can't quite speak to that issue...
ROM's are really more of a matter of personal choice. Try out a few and see what you like.
As far as a comparison to the EVO... my roommate has one, and 2 of my other best friends have one. I have done MULTIPLE benchmarking tools on their phones to compare against my X (on multiple ROMs). None of their tests have beat mine... In my opinion, the only differences between the EVO and the X is this:
1) Evo has unlocked Bootloader to allow custom kernels so you can run ROMS like CynanogenMod (but given time, CVPCS is compiling CM for the X)
2) Evo has front facing camera for those who can't wait to talk to people via a webcam.
3) Evo has a slightly quicker GPU (graphics processing unit) than the X, but winds up limited to 30FPS for the most part. Some of the benchmarks I have seen on the X jump it up to 62FPS on tests I have run.
4) Evo runs sense from HTC. If you want a "Sense" feel... some have made themes that look just like Sense....but you said you don't want a theme.
That's about it...
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The sticky is EPIC...honestly, it's just data and info. I guess I am looking more for opinions. Thank you for the insight.
I had an EVO and that thing had not once, ever, locked up or froze. 2nd day on my Droid X after a hard reset and it is SO laggy.
Unlock screen even lags to get to home. IDK.... I def don't want the "blurware", but the benchmarks on this phone are impressive. It's response and use have not been, in my opinion.
My wife has the Samsung Vibrant and the specs are amazing for that phone too, but NEVER have I seen a phone lock up and freeze so much. She gave her old G1 to my mom and it's like they run at about the same speed.
I'm real tech savy, a huge phone nerd, etc....I just really didn't like my iPhone. I use Apple products for everything else as I am an audio engineer by profession, but the iPhone was SO limited. I had to hack the crap out of it to get basic things that are available on freebie candybar phones.
One thing I have noticed is that it seems to build my photo cache REALLY slow. Now... I have 14 GBs of photo/video on their, but everytime I open a gallery it takes forever to load. It is getting better about this, slowly but surely....do you think my unit is defective, I am expecting too much, or the more I play with it and let it buld a good cache, etc, it will run better?
Thanks for responding, and THANK YOU for the sticky... If I decide to root that thing will be a lifesaver!

system6 said:
The sticky is EPIC...honestly, it's just data and info. I guess I am looking more for opinions. Thank you for the insight.
I had an EVO and that thing had not once, ever, locked up or froze. 2nd day on my Droid X after a hard reset and it is SO laggy.
Unlock screen even lags to get to home. IDK.... I def don't want the "blurware", but the benchmarks on this phone are impressive. It's response and use have not been, in my opinion.
My wife has the Samsung Vibrant and the specs are amazing for that phone too, but NEVER have I seen a phone lock up and freeze so much. She gave her old G1 to my mom and it's like they run at about the same speed.
I'm real tech savy, a huge phone nerd, etc....I just really didn't like my iPhone. I use Apple products for everything else as I am an audio engineer by profession, but the iPhone was SO limited. I had to hack the crap out of it to get basic things that are available on freebie candybar phones.
One thing I have noticed is that it seems to build my photo cache REALLY slow. Now... I have 14 GBs of photo/video on their, but everytime I open a gallery it takes forever to load. It is getting better about this, slowly but surely....do you think my unit is defective, I am expecting too much, or the more I play with it and let it buld a good cache, etc, it will run better?
Thanks for responding, and THANK YOU for the sticky... If I decide to root that thing will be a lifesaver!
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I think the type of sdcard you have also makes a difference. If you have a new class 6 card instead of what the phone comes with (I think it is like class 2 or 3) then the read/write speed should be a lot better. I have been using the latest Rubix ROM for about 2 weeks now, and I don't experience any lag or reboots/freezing. I really like this ROM, and actually talk to Drod2169 (the developer) a decent amount. I would take a look at Rubix or Fission 2.5.7 as these are both blur-free ROM's.
I am also a huge tech nerd/geek. I have tweaked the crap out of my X. I have probably tried every ROM/theme there is for this thing, and right now I'm sitting solid on Rubix. I also used Darkslide 4.2 Blurless for a while. It is a ROM built by BBCrackman and some others over at mydroidworld. I would suggest trying Darkslide out. It is pre-themed by the makers of the ROM but I think it has been the most reliable and snappy ROM I have used besides Rubix 2.0.
If you have questions, shoot them at me in here, or hit me up on gchat.
[email protected] More than happy to help out where I can.

SysAdmin-X said:
I think the type of sdcard you have also makes a difference. If you have a new class 6 card instead of what the phone comes with (I think it is like class 2 or 3) then the read/write speed should be a lot better. I have been using the latest Rubix ROM for about 2 weeks now, and I don't experience any lag or reboots/freezing. I really like this ROM, and actually talk to Drod2169 (the developer) a decent amount. I would take a look at Rubix or Fission 2.5.7 as these are both blur-free ROM's.
I am also a huge tech nerd/geek. I have tweaked the crap out of my X. I have probably tried every ROM/theme there is for this thing, and right now I'm sitting solid on Rubix. I also used Darkslide 4.2 Blurless for a while. It is a ROM built by BBCrackman and some others over at mydroidworld. I would suggest trying Darkslide out. It is pre-themed by the makers of the ROM but I think it has been the most reliable and snappy ROM I have used besides Rubix 2.0.
If you have questions, shoot them at me in here, or hit me up on gchat.
[email protected] More than happy to help out where I can.
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Thanks a million for the cool info and not just a "NOOB RTFM!" response!
I will check out both!

[Q] What is the Point of CyanogenMod

For starters, I know, I'm a nub. I've been cautiously playing with ROMs for my Epic since the first SyndicateROM Frozen release and have lurked around /Dev ever since, looking for that just-right ROM.
Over time, I've seen a lot of references to CyanogenMod on the innertubes and I gathered that it was supposed to be what Android should have been but wasn't: an OS that worked the same way on all (supported) devices, without all the manufacturer and carrier bloat lagging the hardware.
I've tried a few nightlies of CM for the Epic and although I like the speed, looks, and configurability, I don't really understand why the Epic is listed as supported when only nightlies are available. Two months in and things like changing the volume during a call mutes it irrevocably, forcing a redial. Overall, I'm left wondering what all the fuss is about.
I recently upgraded another line on my Sprint account with a HTC Evo 4G. Since the Evo 4G has been supported by CM for ages and has stable builds available, I felt this was finally the best opportunity to give CM7 a real try and see what it can do. I happily loaded it up, packed in the user's needful apps, dressed up the UI, only to find that the volume rocker doesn't work properly. CM seemed confused by Media Volume, Ringer Volume, and Call Volume and when it wasn't meddling with the inappropriate volume for the given situation it chose to do nothing at all. The user's primary complaint with his previous phone, a Samsung Moment, was that the GPS had stopped working so imagine my =/ when I found that GPS doesn't lock in CM7 on the Evo. I gave up my half-day's worth of wasted effort and loaded up a Barebones rooted ROM instead, which naturally worked properly while looking like crap.
So back to my title question: is this the best we can expect from CyanogenMod? My sense is that there's a lot of angst built up among Android users, some of whom have declared CM the best version of Android almost in hopes that saying will make it so. Given the proliferation of fanbois, it's hard to get a real sense of what is out there to try.
For myself, I would like a ROM that doesn't surreptitiously track me, wakes up quickly on keyboard-slide, goes all day on a single charge with 2-4 hours of screen time, and all the radios work. 17 months of owning this phone and the first ROM I tried is still probably the best (SRF). CleanGB comes close but for whatever reason the first character I type on the keyboard gets highlighted and then erased by whatever I type next, forcing me to type the first letter twice (this happens when typing with nothing open on-screen and in whatever browser I'm using). The GPS is also terrible with EL30's radio.
Is this just how it is?

I think its that some people don't really care if things work perfectly or not. I personally got so fed up with CM7 that I went to CleanGB. They stopped working on CM7 a while ago and are now fixing up CM9. I'd love to see what CM9 is like, but I'll probably wait until at LEAST the betas begin if not the release candidate.
I think Cyanogenmod represents hope to people who own devices that are no longer supported by the manufacturer. That is why people may overlook a volume rocker not working perfectly. You gotta get Cyanogenmod devs a lot of credit. They do put out a damn good release with regards to what they are given to start with.

By far no... cyanogen is so popular its been recognized by Google amung others. The volume issue is a feature not a bug I don't own an evo but I put cyanogen on one for a friend and he loves it. What version did u use on the rvo I had a HTC glacier and now the sensation. Cm7 on glacier is solid asrock and cm9 on HTC sensation even it its beta stage is good enough for daily use did:u flash most up to date gapps? I honestly can't live without cm and I've tryed other rooms but I always come back to cm and I've rooted probably a dozen peoples phones with it and the response is always the same. "Its just soon much better, faster and easier to use and everything works its what I thought my phone was gonna be" I would recommend a custom kernel to go with cm7 as the included kernel is very basic (no non standard CPU governors etc) look for an overclocked and undeevolted kernel. It will help with battery life (more so with undervolted and ovrrclocked kernel as opposed to just overclocled as the undervolt one changes the voltage steps on the CPU as well as freq so even though your OC'd it still is using the same (or less) amount of power. Also try and get one with the smartass CPU governor as its like having CPU profiles like when screen is off it pilots mhtz to the min freq setting instead of just leaving it "on demand" feel free to pick my brain I want u to feel the joy that comes with using cyanogwn
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For starters, I know, I'm a nub. I've been cautiously playing with ROMs for my Epic since the first SyndicateROM Frozen release and have lurked around /Dev ever since, looking for that just-right ROM.
Over time, I've seen a lot of references to CyanogenMod on the innertubes and I gathered that it was supposed to be what Android should have been but wasn't: an OS that worked the same way on all (supported) devices, without all the manufacturer and carrier bloat lagging the hardware.
I've tried a few nightlies of CM for the Epic and although I like the speed, looks, and configurability, I don't really understand why the Epic is listed as supported when only nightlies are available. Two months in and things like changing the volume during a call mutes it irrevocably, forcing a redial. Overall, I'm left wondering what all the fuss is about.
I recently upgraded another line on my Sprint account with a HTC Evo 4G. Since the Evo 4G has been supported by CM for ages and has stable builds available, I felt this was finally the best opportunity to give CM7 a real try and see what it can do. I happily loaded it up, packed in the user's needful apps, dressed up the UI, only to find that the volume rocker doesn't work properly. CM seemed confused by Media Volume, Ringer Volume, and Call Volume and when it wasn't meddling with the inappropriate volume for the given situation it chose to do nothing at all. The user's primary complaint with his previous phone, a Samsung Moment, was that the GPS had stopped working so imagine my =/ when I found that GPS doesn't lock in CM7 on the Evo. I gave up my half-day's worth of wasted effort and loaded up a Barebones rooted ROM instead, which naturally worked properly while looking like crap.
So back to my title question: is this the best we can expect from CyanogenMod? My sense is that there's a lot of angst built up among Android users, some of whom have declared CM the best version of Android almost in hopes that saying will make it so. Given the proliferation of fanbois, it's hard to get a real sense of what is out there to try.
For myself, I would like a ROM that doesn't surreptitiously track me, wakes up quickly on keyboard-slide, goes all day on a single charge with 2-4 hours of screen time, and all the radios work. 17 months of owning this phone and the first ROM I tried is still probably the best (SRF). CleanGB comes close but for whatever reason the first character I type on the keyboard gets highlighted and then erased by whatever I type next, forcing me to type the first letter twice (this happens when typing with nothing open on-screen and in whatever browser I'm using). The GPS is also terrible with EL30's radio.
Is this just how it is?
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I don't want to sound mean or rude, but if you have problems with the small stuff then just go stock or the closest build of stability. GPA has always been terrible its Samsung for you. and for screen on times like that your not going to get that with a stock battery and also depends on your usage man.

muyoso said:
You gotta get Cyanogenmod devs a lot of credit. They do put out a damn good release with regards to what they are given to start with.
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Absolutely. I recognize that what they are trying to do is incredibly ambitious and a worthy goal.
XxLostSoulxX said:
I don't want to sound mean or rude, but if you have problems with the small stuff then just go stock or the closest build of stability. GPA has always been terrible its Samsung for you. and for screen on times like that your not going to get that with a stock battery and also depends on your usage man.
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No offense taken. The differential in expectations seems to be that no one bothers to mention the "small stuff", like GPS or buttons not working while they go on endlessly about how much faster the CPU will do, well, almost nothing worthwhile.
Also, the GPS not working was on the HTC using CM7--it seems to be merely flaky with the Epic in CM7. For nightly 45, anyways. I also get that much life out of my 1500mAh OEM battery (17 months old), even with CM7 although it does seem to be eating about 15% more per day than CleanGB (JuiceDefender's Balanced profile in both cases). I mentioned it only so that my expectations were clearer for anyone caring to compare.

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I'd love to see what CM9 is like, but I'll probably wait until at LEAST the betas begin if not the release candidate.
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I know you have other reasons for not going to CM9 and I completely respect that, however this is a common misconception, and seems to be a very good reason why people don't flash CM9.
CM9...as a whole, is alpha. That is because there are features, a theme manager, and some improvements to be added. Ice Cream Sandwich as CM9 however...performs like a beta, if not a release candidate. Think of it has a slightly tweaked ICS rom for the time being. It performs as good as stock ICS would on the galaxy nexus though.
There are very, very small bugs in CM9 that will affect everyday use, and sometimes that's enough for people not to want to flash it. But again (and this isn't just directed at you, I see this too often), look past the word alpha.
Here's the only minor bugs that have ever bothered me in the slightest:
Video artifacts when playing LQ videos (Not a big deal because I prefer HQ, and that works perfectly)
Some pictures in the gallery are jumbled when clicking on one. The fix? Just download quickpic.
That's it. Other than that, it performs better than any android OS version I've ever been on in my life.
Just tellin ya =)
@ OP: "I've tried a few nightlies of CM for the Epic and although I like the speed, looks, and configurability, I don't really understand why the Epic is listed as supported when only nightlies are available. Two months in and things like changing the volume during a call mutes it irrevocably, forcing a redial. Overall, I'm left wondering what all the fuss is about."
Nightlies are upstream changes to CM7 as a whole. Just because you don't see a "stable" version does not mean any nightly isn't stable. They all are. The CM team is just constantly improving their ROM as a whole. Half the things they "fix" are rarely relevant to one's everyday use, and they're just changes to make essentially the "perfect" ROM. CM7 is as stable as any EL30 ROM out there I guarantee, and it's much faster and customizable.

CM7 and now on CM9 I've never had in volume rocker issues or gps issues. I'm loving Cyanogen Mod makes my phone like a brand new phone. But I guess every phone is different.
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Cyanogen had to move across the country to work for samsung. Most devs that get taken over to a big company can't release roms anymore. The misconception is that it isn't done yet. They'll give it to us at just the right time. Sxsw should help.
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CM is a community rom. Only a small part is actually made by Cyanogen. Basically, they put up an AOSP version of the latest android then let people submit changes. Anyone can submit a change and it will be either approved or denied by team douche (cm team).
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The point is open sauce (it is very tasty sauce.)
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|| Acer || said:
I know you have other reasons for not going to CM9 and I completely respect that, however this is a common misconception, and seems to be a very good reason why people don't flash CM9.
CM9...as a whole, is alpha. That is because there are features, a theme manager, and some improvements to be added. Ice Cream Sandwich as CM9 however...performs like a beta, if not a release candidate. Think of it has a slightly tweaked ICS rom for the time being. It performs as good as stock ICS would on the galaxy nexus though.
There are very, very small bugs in CM9 that will affect everyday use, and sometimes that's enough for people not to want to flash it. But again (and this isn't just directed at you, I see this too often), look past the word alpha.
Here's the only minor bugs that have ever bothered me in the slightest:
Video artifacts when playing LQ videos (Not a big deal because I prefer HQ, and that works perfectly)
Some pictures in the gallery are jumbled when clicking on one. The fix? Just download quickpic.
That's it. Other than that, it performs better than any android OS version I've ever been on in my life.
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I understand that the overall CM9 isn't official yet, so we cannot have anything other than an alpha at this point. That said, I have read a lot about it and there are still major things that stand out to me that make me not want to flash it. Also, like in CM7, 99% of the people overlook things when discussing the rom that I consider a deal killer. I'm gonna wait until its pretty stable and then flash so that I can give it a fair comparison to CleanGB.

hammmy said:
For starters, I know, I'm a nub. I've been cautiously playing with ROMs for my Epic since the first SyndicateROM Frozen release and have lurked around /Dev ever since, looking for that just-right ROM.
Over time, I've seen a lot of references to CyanogenMod on the innertubes and I gathered that it was supposed to be what Android should have been but wasn't: an OS that worked the same way on all (supported) devices, without all the manufacturer and carrier bloat lagging the hardware.
I've tried a few nightlies of CM for the Epic and although I like the speed, looks, and configurability, I don't really understand why the Epic is listed as supported when only nightlies are available. Two months in and things like changing the volume during a call mutes it irrevocably, forcing a redial. Overall, I'm left wondering what all the fuss is about.
I recently upgraded another line on my Sprint account with a HTC Evo 4G. Since the Evo 4G has been supported by CM for ages and has stable builds available, I felt this was finally the best opportunity to give CM7 a real try and see what it can do. I happily loaded it up, packed in the user's needful apps, dressed up the UI, only to find that the volume rocker doesn't work properly. CM seemed confused by Media Volume, Ringer Volume, and Call Volume and when it wasn't meddling with the inappropriate volume for the given situation it chose to do nothing at all. The user's primary complaint with his previous phone, a Samsung Moment, was that the GPS had stopped working so imagine my =/ when I found that GPS doesn't lock in CM7 on the Evo. I gave up my half-day's worth of wasted effort and loaded up a Barebones rooted ROM instead, which naturally worked properly while looking like crap.
So back to my title question: is this the best we can expect from CyanogenMod? My sense is that there's a lot of angst built up among Android users, some of whom have declared CM the best version of Android almost in hopes that saying will make it so. Given the proliferation of fanbois, it's hard to get a real sense of what is out there to try.
For myself, I would like a ROM that doesn't surreptitiously track me, wakes up quickly on keyboard-slide, goes all day on a single charge with 2-4 hours of screen time, and all the radios work. 17 months of owning this phone and the first ROM I tried is still probably the best (SRF). CleanGB comes close but for whatever reason the first character I type on the keyboard gets highlighted and then erased by whatever I type next, forcing me to type the first letter twice (this happens when typing with nothing open on-screen and in whatever browser I'm using). The GPS is also terrible with EL30's radio.
Is this just how it is?
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I agree that SRF 1.2 was the best rom I've ever used with the epic, but as far as gingerbread roms I like CM7 the best. I don't know why you have the volume problem, but I can't reproduce it on my phone (pressing volume during a call does nothing except adjust call volume for me as it should) which is running the same nightly as you. I don't think I can name a single bug on it actually, or at least none of them have affected me yet. Except the random LED behavior i guess?
All this plus the huge amount of features and theme changer makes cm7 the best in my book. I have also had absolutely 0 issues with stability, too. (no FCs, reboots, hangs)
edit: volume rocker changes media when i'm playing music/etc, ringer in general, and call volume during calls. gps locks very fast. I'm not a fanboy, i switch roms very frequently and only recently settled on cm7. i really cannot reproduce a single one of the bugs you mentioned, or any instability in general.

You kind of come off as a whining little snob. No offense but If cm7 or cm9 doesn't suit your boot, then leave and stick with your clean GB. Us true epic users are kissing dusty feet for these upgrades, especially cm9 ICS. No complaints on my end over small bugs. Enjoy a factory android or iphone. Yes, call me an Ahole all day. I really don't care.
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Attacking people in a thread is kind of childish don't you think? I really don't think the op sounds like he is being whiny at all imo. Look here is the bottom line CM9 isn't for everyone. It is a nice rom and could be used as a very nice daily driver. The op has some concerns about it and it sounds like he wanted to know what all the hype was about. So yes CM9 is an awesome rom and has the potential imo to be even better
than it is. If you love the core TW elements than CM9 probably is not the best choice for you.
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b16flybye said:
You kind of come off as a whining little snob. No offense but If cm7 or cm9 doesn't suit your boot, then leave and stick with your clean GB. Us true epic users are kissing dusty feet for these upgrades, especially cm9 ICS. No complaints on my end over small bugs. Enjoy a factory android or iphone. Yes, call me an Ahole all day. I really don't care.
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O come on really. He's just stating that's there's a bugs.
You are being a fanboy.
I was looking forword to cm7 but it seems they stoped working on it. Do I complane no cuz they can work on what even THEY WANT TO.
The thing that gets me it that dam txt for voice mails & other phones cm7 have it fixed but the ppl in the epic forums just say use google voice & never bother to think maybe A) ppl don't like it. Or B) are already using google voice for an other number. I have seen so many ppl ask the same thing I feel there is no point of asking for a fix.
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The point is the CMs are not TW ROMs. If there are features which are exclusive to TW ROMs that you can't live without then stick to a TW ROM like CleanGB. An AOSP ROM is never going to be a TW ROM. It feels more like this thread is a "convince me to use Cyanogen even though I already love CleanGB" thing. Different strokes for different folks. We are lucky to have such diverse choices here on the Epic. Use what you like.
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^^ what he said^^
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kennyglass123 said:
The point is the CMs are not TW ROMs. If there are features which are exclusive to TW ROMs that you can't live without then stick to a TW ROM like CleanGB. An AOSP ROM is never going to be a TW ROM. It feels more like this thread is a "convince me to use Cyanogen even though I already love CleanGB" thing. Different strokes for different folks. We are lucky to have such diverse choices here on the Epic. Use what you like.
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I still don't see what aosp has to do with the txting voice mail thing. Cm7 runs just fine on my gfs phone & she don't get the txts when she gets vmail. (She has sprint & an LG Optimus S & that little pos phone is no longer a pos with cm7. She was vary happy when I flashed it on her phone ;-);-) I didn't even tell her heheheh she just woke up 2 a phone that didn't lock up every day )
BTW Kenny I totoaly get ur point. But there's no reason to come in the thread & be a fan boy(other ppl NOT u kenny). But on the other hand you can't go any where on the net with out fanboys jumping on u if u like a subaru over an Evo, a 360 over a ps3. I love cm I instll it on all kinds of phones. I also DO NOT HATE TOUCHWIZ one thing that I love about touchwiz is the swipe left to txt right to call. I didn't even know that was a tw thing untill I instlled cm7 on a friends phone (b4 we had it) I thought it was a froyo thingy.
The cm team does a grate job but there roms are like the be all end all god of epic roms & evey time we start to Discuss the subject some fanboys comm in and ruins it all Screaming blasphemy blasphemy blasphemy reminds me of the Muslims *****ing about cartoons. Its like if u DON'T LOVE CM u suck arond hear.
I'm just disapointed that cm7 died idk if ics is ever going to work any better than win7 does on my sony vaio that came with vista, only time will tell.
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So if I'm reading the fanbois right, the bugs are just how CyanogenMod is. Okay then, I don't have a problem with that. I happen to think that the buttons and GPS on my phone (or others) are must-have features and not minor bugs. I certainly have no affection for TouchWiz or Sense else why would I be bothering to try ROMs, especially now that CiQ has been removed from EL30 (thank you very much, k0nane!).
For comparison, I also mess about in the router modding world, with third-party firmware like DD-WRT and OpenWRT. The finished products there, when they say they work, they tend to mean all of the buttons. With CM7, it looks like finished (meaning the Evo) means features are missing and my question was simply is that also what it will also be like when the Epic is finished. The answer appears to be yes.
Edit: I doublechecked the call mute thing and it does happen with my phone on nightly 45 of CM7. Adjusting the volume down once reduces the volume to nearly inaudible levels and pressing up on the rocker does nothing. I first noticed the bug when in handsfree on a robocall; when I tried to turn down the handsfree volume, one press effectively muted the call and taking the call out of speakerphone mode did nothing.

Well said Kenny at least you have the class to come on here and not be a fanboy. You give us your point in a straightforward but non condescending tone. I myself think CM9 is awesome but there are just some things that are deal breakers for me. So maybe in the future I will give CM9 a go again.
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Movement Back to GingerBread

So after having been running ICS roms for the past 2 months or so, I decided to switch back to my favorite Gingerbread rom for the hell of it, to see exactly what I'd been giving up for ICS. And WOW, was I blown away. I remember GB was a lot faster than ICS, but geez I did not remember it being this fast. EVERYTHING opens and closes quicker, touch responsiveness is amazing, screens swipe lightning quick, and I'm sorry, even though I did realize ICS improved battery life a little bit from my initial impressions, GB is giving me better battery life than most of the ICS roms I have used. Most importantly to me though, my phone has simply just become more of a joy to use. And less of CHORE. ICS makes texting a pain in the ass. And not only that, but basically doing anything, browsing, having to constantly re-press anything, scrolling.......omg scrolling. Going down your facebook newsfeed is definitely a chore on ICS. Seeing as it goes up a little, half the time you scroll down. But typing is probably the biggest thing for me, since I text a decent amount. I even installed the same GB keyboard I'd used on gingerbread roms (it's a modified stock gb keyboard called "gingerbread keyboard") which I had been able to type so quick and so accuretly with (except for the occasional double letter that the keyboard puts in), but on ICS it was just as inaccurate as any other crap keyboard I'd try out. You just have to type slowwwww, and press hard. Who the hell wants to use their phone like an old person? I sure don't. ICS makes my phone a chore to use.
I'm looking to get some other impressions here, and from both sides (mostly ICS fans, if you don't mind), and just get an overall consensus of what the deal is. I knew I'd missed GB, but I didn't realize it was this much!
Things I'd be missing from ICS: brightness minimum and maximum (having a lower min is really appreciated in my room at night - some later GB roms have this implemented though), the updated Gallery (soo much better on ICS), some features that are nice to have but I don't really change anyway (screen mode, gamma sensitivity, etc.), Chome (LOL jk, chrome sucks **** on mobile), better default video player, having my phone say 4.03, 4.04, or 4.1.1 that's about it. Lemme know some other things you'd miss from ICS if you were to revert back.
Also, I have tried most roms for ICS, ranging from AOKP, AOSP based roms, CM9, Sammywiz ones, MIUI variations. Just for reference, I've tried Shishir, Ressurection AOKP, Foxhound's roms, Basically all of Kaffee's roms, cMIUI, RGUI, AdyScorp's V4, AOKP official, Rootbox, etc. My favorite of those personally was probably Ressurection, and cMIUI. Not a huge fan of AOKP (or the wole CM interface), so cMIUI a bit more.
Btw, the GB rom I'm referring to is AdyScorpius' MIUI GB. Fastest rom I've ever used, period. Battery life from what I remember was not even that good (I mean it's MIUI) even compared to other MIUI's. So considering that I'm noticing it to be on par, if not better than ICS I was running, is noteworthy.
Lay your comments down below.
EDIT: Oh and I've tried a few JB roms already, including CM10, Kaffee's CM10, and X-treme's CM10 based rom. To be honest it's really smooth (coming from ICS though), however it's wayyy too early in the game to compare it to GB for me. To be quite honest, it's really smooth and relatively fast, but since it's still based on ICS, I doubt it will ever feel as good as GB.

I do agree but i got used to ICS and the little problems bundled with it. When samsung decides to update our phones to JB, i hope it'll be a different story
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So after having been running ICS roms for the past 2 months or so, I decided to switch back to my favorite Gingerbread rom for the hell of it, to see exactly what I'd been giving up for ICS. And WOW, was I blown away. [...] I'm looking to get some other impressions here, and from both sides (mostly ICS fans, if you don't mind), and just get an overall consensus of what the deal is. I knew I'd missed GB, but I didn't realize it was this much!
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Well, I'm not an pure ICS fan - both versions have their advantages - but I like CM, AOSP and MIUI - and Samsungs camera app. As almost everything here at XDA and other boards is about ICS and now JB I have not expected someone coming up with a thread like this, thanks
I must admit reverting to a 2.6.9 GB MIUI (external link to Fluxi's MIUI GB thread) quite often, too - It somehow just "feels" better than any ICS ROM I tried so far (only 2 months \w I9100, i9000 before, always working on kernels) - touch sensitivity and wakeup lag definately are two reasons for me, too. Battery seems to be almost equal to me.
I'm still looking for "the" firmware, currently testing MIUI 2.7.27 which seems to work quite well, too. But I have a feeling that I'll switch back to GB tonight...
Read in another thread you posted that the WIUI dev might update the GB version, may I ask where you have that information from? Interesting.

Gingerbread was far better than ICS from a raw performance standpoint, i was 100 and 1% happy with the way my phone performed with GB and then i flashed to ICS and got used to extra features (and im the kind of person that doesn't like to be behind the curve).
If google had ported all of the new functionality to GB along with some of the work they did with project butter we would have a MUCH MUCH better platform than we are currently stuck with.
Having a device that doesn't respond the way you would expect to touch input and has noticeable jank and lag in this day and age is NOT acceptable when you have the likes WP7 and iOS out there.
Time is running out Google (& to a degree Samsung) , I've been an Android user since the G1 and 3 devices on my patience is growing short.

We already had these kind of threads before

i will downgrade to 2.3.3 if there isn't a newer 2.3.x of Nee which i believe there is but i ain't finding them
i downgrading due to lockscreen stopped work on Stock ICS but it seems to be working on gingerbread

The only reason why I am on ics is that I can not connect to my college's wifi network... On ics wifi works fine...
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I downgraded from ics back to GB 2.3.4 due to ics bugs, lag on the touch screen (sometimes felt like a resistive screen) jerky swipes between home screens, black screen of death, random shut down and disappearing widgets. Like the op says, GB was a revelation again and the galaxy feels reliable, responsive and fast again. I'm staying put now till next year when my contact ends, I came from iPhone to android and maybe it will be wp8 next, or maybe a galaxy s3.....
I miss the face unlock, swipe to dismiss notifications and the task manager of ics, that's about all
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ephraim033 said:
I do agree but i got used to ICS and the little problems bundled with it. When samsung decides to update our phones to JB, i hope it'll be a different story
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I'm hoping the same thing man haha. But honestly I'm not having my hopes up anymore. I know that the CM10 preview builds don't have HW Accelerator working, and that the sensitivity does seem a bit better than ICS (more in the 'ok-eh' category instead of 'bad' like ICS), but I've seen a couple builds that claim to have HW Acceleration working, so if that makes a drastic improvement we'll see. Honestly I thought when ICS came out that it was just early in developemnt and that they'd work out the jags and stuff....yeah no. It's 3 months later and performance-wise it's relatively similar. AOKP has gotten much smoother though, but there's only so much you can do.
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Well, I'm not an pure ICS fan - both versions have their advantages - but I like CM, AOSP and MIUI - and Samsungs camera app. As almost everything here at XDA and other boards is about ICS and now JB I have not expected someone coming up with a thread like this, thanks
I must admit reverting to a 2.6.9 GB MIUI (external link to Fluxi's MIUI GB thread) quite often, too - It somehow just "feels" better than any ICS ROM I tried so far (only 2 months \w I9100, i9000 before, always working on kernels) - touch sensitivity and wakeup lag definately are two reasons for me, too. Battery seems to be almost equal to me.
I'm still looking for "the" firmware, currently testing MIUI 2.7.27 which seems to work quite well, too. But I have a feeling that I'll switch back to GB tonight...
Read in another thread you posted that the WIUI dev might update the GB version, may I ask where you have that information from? Interesting.
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I really appreciate your comments, especially coming from someone who has experience with kernels, it gives the whole discussion a little more validity. Wake lag is definitely annoying, honestly that's one of those things that by itself, you would think could be dismissed, but when added to the touch sensitivty, and sluggishness, just makes you think..what the hell.
Btw I was actually looking at WIUI last night by chance and also saw that he actually is updating his GB version. I had to re-read it a few times to make sure I wasn't mistaken. He's got a 6.29 version out, and in the comments he said he would do 8.4 (around there). I'll probably flash that, as my April GB rom is probably really outdated....hah.
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Gingerbread was far better than ICS from a raw performance standpoint, i was 100 and 1% happy with the way my phone performed with GB and then i flashed to ICS and got used to extra features (and im the kind of person that doesn't like to be behind the curve).
If google had ported all of the new functionality to GB along with some of the work they did with project butter we would have a MUCH MUCH better platform than we are currently stuck with.
Having a device that doesn't respond the way you would expect to touch input and has noticeable jank and lag in this day and age is NOT acceptable when you have the likes WP7 and iOS out there.
Time is running out Google (& to a degree Samsung) , I've been an Android user since the G1 and 3 devices on my patience is growing short.
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I agree with you that it probably would have made a lot more people happy had they stuck with a thoroughly upgraded GB instead of making a new platform. However although ICS sucks performance-wise (interface, anyway), it is actually pretty good in terms of efficiency. If you notice while restoring text messages or installing something via titanium backup, or shutting off your phone, things run quicker on ICS. ICS is more efficient, for sure. Which is why I hate even more how it is, because it has potential but for some reason still just completely sucks.
I'm gonna have to rant on google: *these are new thoughts just realized a minute ago* Google is definitely behind the ball in terms of what they're releasing. Google has always been out of touch with the people[/B. I'm only 20 but I was able to pick this up over the last couple years. They suck at knowing what people want, or at least are too hung up with their own projections that they don't see the people in which they're serving. You can tell google doesn't know what they're doing because you see it in everything they do. Example 1) Changing Android Market to Google Play Store. Obviously, there are plenty of reasons for them to do that (main probably being to get their name out - not everyone knows android is google based, and also to put all their apps into one [google music, google books, ect]), but they could have done that without changing the name to something EVERYONE HATES. Example 2) Google chrome (desktop). I use Chrome on my home PC. It's really fast. Other than that, I hate everything about it. The interface is styled, but looks like it was organized by an amateur, and is poorly structured. Functinoality is splintered and not well thought out. Firefox beats it in every single category, except for performance. Wish I could go back to firefox. Example 3) Chrome (Mobile), this app is unstable, and probably the slowest browser on the market...and yet it is the only video playing browser available on JB (no flash anymore)... Firefox BETA is 300% more stable than chrome's Non Beta app.
GB was fine, but ICS's regression is total bull (and I'm not talking to official update - samsung), and honestly as mentioned above it is just debasing them for the future. Honestly, I had an itouch for a couple years, and have used countless friends iphones over the years, so I know what it's like. Just the simple fact that going back to MIUI GB has made me the happiest I've been in a while...is saying something. I hate to be the ass who brings up negative things, but if they had been doing things right in the first place, things wouldn't have to be mentioned. I'm not too picky, but I do demand quality. Although I've never even considered it in the past, I'm looking forward to seeing what they're rolling out for the iphone 5, cus it may actually make a difference in my next phone.
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We already had these kind of threads before
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I saw one, but it does not discuss the same thing..it meerly has the same subject. This thread heads in a much different direction, also the former post is outdated with the progression of ICS currently.
LastStandingDroid said:
i will downgrade to 2.3.3 if there isn't a newer 2.3.x of Nee which i believe there is but i ain't finding them
i downgrading due to lockscreen stopped work on Stock ICS but it seems to be working on gingerbread
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You may find one! I know finding official releases past 4.x.x is hard. WIUI is pulling from somewhere though, I know that. Could be it's all just his own input.
Dark Emotion said:
The only reason why I am on ics is that I can not connect to my college's wifi network... On ics wifi works fine...
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I know ICS has better range for WIFI, other than that I don't know the actual differences.
*Sorry for long post*

It is not the range, it is wpa2 thing...
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Oh no!! This thread is killing me for going back to Gb. Damn damn damn....
Sliding answering options, fantastic lockscreen, system wide font synchronization, what more I am missing....God knows....!!

i never use GB on my phone it came with ICS out of box but i want to try it, stock and custom just wanna see how different it is performance wise.

ithehappy said:
Oh no!! This thread is killing me for going back to Gb. Damn damn damn....
Sliding answering options, fantastic lockscreen, system wide font synchronization, what more I am missing....God knows....!!
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Lol I hope you're not trolling. Honestly I doubt GB has much of anything that ICS doesn't have. Except ICS option menu is dumb (although samsung's gb is RETARDED), and GB has more simple, intuitive button layout (delete, menu key layout, etc.)
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i never use GB on my phone it came with ICS out of box but i want to try it, stock and custom just wanna see how different it is performance wise.
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Yeah I mean if you haven't rooted yet you're definitely missing out on like 50+ roms to try. There's plenty of different categories and types. You'll probably be amazed when you flash one of the latest (or last) GB build roms. They're blazing. Ady MIUI is like iOS on steroids. Cept the battery is meh. That's the only problem. And of course GB seems outdated now, but it's still got higher usability, imo. Part of what kills ICS is it takes so much longer for you to do things on your phone. I bet it drives up screen on time

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Lol I hope you're not trolling.
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Whatever I do, I'll never troll.

after brick my phone with the so called chip bug and change the mb after paying 100 with the same chip with a bug, flashing XWLPO and then XWLPT I decided to go back to 2.3.4. My battery last +2 days (everything disabled and underclocked) and everything looks smooth enogh for me. If you want a cool interface like ICS has (I see no reason at all to run ICS other than the interface) just install the free version of Go Launcher

Yeah I mean if you haven't rooted yet you're definitely missing out on like 50+ roms to try. There's plenty of different categories and types. You'll probably be amazed when you flash one of the latest (or last) GB build roms. They're blazing. Ady MIUI is like iOS on steroids. Cept the battery is meh. That's the only problem. And of course GB seems outdated now, but it's still got higher usability, imo. Part of what kills ICS is it takes so much longer for you to do things on your phone. I bet it drives up screen on time
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no my phone is rooted and i already flashed custom roms for more then 10 times( all ics expect 2 latest build of cmx) not a big fan of ios looks but im looking forward to try out other gb roms, but im keep coming back to stock based roms just b'coz of camera and that is wht i really want to see in stock gb : camera
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ithehappy said:
Whatever I do, I'll never troll.
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Good to hear it :good:
heavens dragon said:
no my phone is rooted and i already flashed custom roms for more then 10 times( all ics expect 2 latest build of cmx) not a big fan of ios looks but im looking forward to try out other gb roms, but im keep coming back to stock based roms just b'coz of camera and that is wht i really want to see in stock gb : camera
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Oh I gotcha. Yeah honestly stock camera blows all the other cameras away. Stock ICS camera is pretty decent too, but the button on stock gb is the best. feels more secure, and focus is instantaneous with press. MIUI (GB) is decent too except I found the quality a little worse and instant focus a little less accurate. Anti-shake is terrible on MIUI camera too.

Wow GB. Amazing memories .I think the best GB was XXKI4. But what can I know... I had GB for 2 or 3 months since this year's winter and then Boom! Boot loop. You know why guys?? I had brand XWKI4 and there were battery mods for XXKI4.So I flashed those ;p. And then came XXLPS.Now I am on LQ7 but It's not the same. Thanks bro I was waiting for man wich will lead me to GB. BTW first rom for SGS2 is XWKDD so?! Coman guys we have Gingerbread to flash
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can someone link the "best" (in his eyes) gb roms ?
i would love to try a few if they are really faster than ics (smoother).
was so close to try cm10 but so much stuff needs to be fixed...
for me the most important thing would be cam and a smooth feeling.
and can i use nova launcher prime on gb (is it looking the same?)
i never tried gb (my s2 came with ics, so....)

I haven't used GB since I got my S2, but I used it exclusively on my original S. When I moved from phone to phone I found the speed increase of GB on an S to ICS on my S2 simply mind blowing. I know it's nearly a 200% processor boost, but still. Now I'm using JellyBean. I get a full day of near constant use with an extended battery. (I'm a teen, we text all the time, so it gets a pretty heavy workout.) and the speed BLOWS AWAY Gingerbread and ICS without question.
So no, I don't miss it personally. And I'm using SwiftKey, which is an absolute dream. Way better than any stock kb I've ever used.
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Any good kernels?

For the VZW variant of the G2?
The reason I ask, is that it will take awhile for the custom ROMs to work as well as the stock one. To be honest, vanilla android is kinda boring and outdated looking. It doesn't have a lot of polish, and a lot of the manufacturers add ons don't work at all, or properly. Then you have stability issues, etc... Very few custom ROMs work as well as stock in my experience.
But what about an optimized kernel? Something that leaves the phone functioning 100% as it was intended to, but maybe gets rid of lag or adds performance?
Thoughts?

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shook187 said:
I hope you're wearing your flame suit
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I know, right?
Tonight on Fox, WHEN NERDS ATTACK!
haha
But seriously, I have rooted and ROM'd every phone I have had going back to the iPhone 3.. the Droid X... the THunderbolt, Rezound, RazR, EVO 4G, RazR HD, and now the G2.
And on every phone except for the Droid X, the custom ROM's never ran as well as stock. I know, sacrilege, right? But at the end of the day, just being able to brag that "I have a ROM" to my nerd friends(of which I am one), wasn't enough of a benefit to have to give up features, have glitches, workarounds, reboots, etc...
I still run them on my N7, because those seem to work fine and do add stuff above and beyond what Android comes with. But vanilla android is ugly. I like some of the stuff my phone comes with, like virtual voicemail. I like the Quick Remote app, and other stuff that looks nice and works well.
The DroidX ran like crap stock, reboots all the time, and only when I put CM on it did it run properly, but that was the exception...
I removed the bloat from my stock phone, but if there was a great kernel that would make it even smoother, or improve battery life even more but leave everything else working, that would be ideal IMHO.
I don't want to give up features that my phone came with, and custom ROMs are always a compromise...

That's odd.... I've ROMed all my devices (since Donut) as well and never had any stability issues. Bad luck for you.

There is only one so far, here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2472318
It has linaro compilation, some extra governors and schedulers, and undervolting abilities. However there are some issues with the camera that he has yet to update. I used it for a few days and loved it! Now I am trying out an AOSP rom.
I agree with you on the stock vs. AOSP issue. It really depends on the phone though. On the HTC Rezound, there was so much work done just to get all the features of CM working that it never really panned out, and I just used (and loved) a Sense based highly-customized rom. It performed better, plain and simple. But on other phones AOSP is a lot faster than any stock rom, since it is so lightweight.
For this phone, it looks like I will be AOSP all the way from here on out! The roms out already are amazing. Once the very few issues get solved, and custom kernels come out, this will be the fastest AOSP phone out there no doubt. Add to that the knock-on, and it has a leg up on the competition. Yep, this phone will rock for years to come.

drkow19 said:
There is only one so far, here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2472318
It has linaro compilation, some extra governors and schedulers, and undervolting abilities. However there are some issues with the camera that he has yet to update. I used it for a few days and loved it! Now I am trying out an AOSP rom.
I agree with you on the stock vs. AOSP issue. It really depends on the phone though. On the HTC Rezound, there was so much work done just to get all the features of CM working that it never really panned out, and I just used (and loved) a Sense based highly-customized rom. It performed better, plain and simple. But on other phones AOSP is a lot faster than any stock rom, since it is so lightweight.
For this phone, it looks like I will be AOSP all the way from here on out! The roms out already are amazing. Once the very few issues get solved, and custom kernels come out, this will be the fastest AOSP phone out there no doubt. Add to that the knock-on, and it has a leg up on the competition. Yep, this phone will rock for years to come.
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I agree on some of that. But when you take a phone and slap AOSP on it, how is it any different than any other phone at that point? It might have more power under the hood, but other than that, it reduces the phone to what every other phone running AOSP is. Might as well be an iPhone at that point.
There are some good ROMs out there, no doubt. And as a phone gets to the end of life they can breath new life into a device. My problem with the RazR HD was that by the time they cracked the bootloader, most Devs had moved on to newer devices.
Maybe if I see one worth switching to my opinion will change... But when I see a new thread and read it and I see that it has spontaneous reboots, or knock on doesn't work, or the camera is weird, or an app that is important to me doesn't work, then I have to ask myself, what's the benefit? To go from 33k to 34k in Antutu? haha

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I agree on some of that. But when you take a phone and slap AOSP on it, how is it any different than any other phone at that point? It might have more power under the hood, but other than that, it reduces the phone to what every other phone running AOSP is. Might as well be an iPhone at that point.
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I see the problem here: you're a hipster!
I am a technology guy, have been since I was 10. It doesn't matter what other people have, I just care about the performance and features of the devices I have. I just can't understand your viewpoint here.
Your thought on benchmarks is not true at all. AOSP roms often benchmark worse than stock roms. That is indeed the case for this phone. But benchmarks don't tell the whole story, and ANDROID benchmarks are a mess. But somehow even while benchmarking slower, the AOSP roms are faster at pretty much every task in Android.
Also, to a lot of people (including me) bare-bones AOSP has every feature needed. Anything else can be downloaded from the market.