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Camera Tests? iPhone 4 and X10?

Check out the comparison tests of the iphone 4 and droid x and the EVO:
http://www.macworld.com/article/152314/2010/06/iphonecameratests.html
http://www.pcworld.com/article/1998...e_iphone_4_vs_the_android_army.html?&tk=hp_fv
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/06/25/720p-droidx-iphone4/
I'm seriously curious about what our X10s can do against iphone 4's camera. All these articles states that the iphone 4 have the best smartphone camera out there. I guess i'm assuming because iphone's backside illumination does have an effect on low light conditions which turns out better on iphone's test photos.
What do you guys think?

Backside illumination? Are u kidding me? Its like if my ass was glowing i would never suffer from constipation.

se_dude said:
Backside illumination? Are u kidding me? Its like if my ass was glowing i would never suffer from constipation.
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Are you trolling?
The iPhone 4 camera produces some nice low-light pictures. The flash is over-powering, but every LED flash is like that.

I hope it is only a matter of time before someone compares the iPhone with the X10, because I'm curious. I think we all suspect the iPhone is even better in this regard than the X10 though, but healthy competition never hurts right?

I still don't get the obsession over the image quality in cellphone cameras. Sure it's nice to have a good camera but it's never gonna surpass a "real" one, I settle for "good enough" as the pics I take with the phone tend to be either to show someone something or to document something.

iead1 said:
Are you trolling?
The iPhone 4 camera produces some nice low-light pictures. The flash is over-powering, but every LED flash is like that.
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I am not trolling.But to think that the iphone produces good pics coz of some backside lighting its pure blasphemy. My C905 had the whole backside lighting up and going by that it should be the best cam on the planet. The sensor is probably better. I still dont see how it can beat the X10 with the camera upgrade coming with 2.1

I really want to see some tests too. It will be a shame if the iphone makes better photos especially when they havent been known for making good cellphone cameras like SE. I think no one has compared them because we only have the x10 in Canada and we dont have the iphone yet. And the states has the Iphone but no x10 I really hope X10 Makes better pics, i would be really upset if not because i think the 8.1mp camera is the one of the major features i choose to get the x10 and the only thing that can stfu aplle fanboys + the 4" Display. This would be interesting.

Don't Worry about the X10 quality!!
Man!
The X10 rocks no matter what. I'm into photography, I took few pictures with it and I'm impressed. In my opinion:
-iPhone pictures looks pleasing but not real as they are too contrasty and saturated while the X10 looks more real.
-X10 camera gives more camera options
-LED flash is down for both phones (I prefer not to use it because it destroys the real colors)
-For video recoding SE promised 720p recording so both will be equal.
-You can still get good low light pictures with the X10 provided the image-stability feature as long as you don't have shaky hands like mine
finally check out my x10 shots .

I made a few pics to compare the 2 cams. I know, that arent the best which can be made, but I'm not a camera pro to be honest.
But to take a look at the quality of both devices they seem to be ok for me.
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bLack_Q said:
I made a few pics to compare the 2 cams. I know, that arent the best which can be made, but I'm not a camera pro to be honest.
But to take a look at the quality of both devices they seem to be ok for me.
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Thanks for the effort, but it's not very usefull unless you take the same pictures (of the same objects) with both camera's.

Now i don't have the iPhone 4 to compare to my XPERIA X10.
But i took some pictures earlier with my XPERIA X10 that i mean iPhone 4 wont even come close to.
Ok look here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7309753/DSC_0019.jpg
Here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7309753/DSC_0024.jpg
This one: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7309753/DSC_0025.jpg
And here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7309753/DSC_0027.jpg
Now, show me any pictures from iPhone 4 that looks as good as those pictures.

That's some d*mn nice pics, love the coloring on the first.

Tom-Helge said:
Now i don't have the iPhone 4 to compare to my XPERIA X10.
But i took some pictures earlier with my XPERIA X10 that i mean iPhone 4 wont even come close to.
Ok look here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7309753/DSC_0019.jpg
Here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7309753/DSC_0024.jpg
This one: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7309753/DSC_0025.jpg
And here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7309753/DSC_0027.jpg
Now, show me any pictures from iPhone 4 that looks as good as those pictures.
Note that those pictures was taken with 6 mpix resolution, not 8.1. But the pictures looks the same on 8.1 mpix anyways.
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wtf how did you get such beautiful pictures out the x10

rocketpaul said:
wtf how did you get such beautiful pictures out the x10
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The key is to use the right settings after how the circumstances is .

Can we please focus this thread on a direct comparison between the 2 devices?

I'm not worried, the X10s camera is excellent even in low light.
At the end of the day I know I can hold my phone any way I want to and it will work

X10 takes wonderful shots in macro mode or normal if you keep the sun behind you.
Also, i day light better use EV -3 or -7 depending on the light.
Also, just don't use the image stabilization
Will make your pictures look beautiful on display but way too soft if you zoom in.
At the end of the day, is a good camera.
There is no way in the world comparable with my old S5 IS but still a damn good camera.
Well, my opinion.

Wow, great pictures, guys. Does anyone have any guides on how to take better pictures with the X10? Your guys' insights have been excellent. I'm not a pro photographer but these tips have helped immensely.
I sure wish this camera had flash though. Regretfully the low light photos from even the best pros aren't as spectacular as can be. My fiance's N95 still blows the X10's camera away, at least as far as our comparison pics go. She's 100% Asian so of course she's a camera fanatic... I'm only half Asian so my picture taking skills are lacking lol
P.S. When we get a later version of Android, will the photo light be strong enough if someone created a camera flash application?

I ve Tried 3gs and x10
The camera in the x10 might be better in planned shots but daily use iphone is much more clear. I know this debate will have no resolution. pardon the pun. I want to love my phone but my wifes 3gs just seems better. I will keep fighting the good fight. Just my two cents. Want a great pic use your dslr, want a fun on the spot pic use your phone.

3gs seems better than our x10s? lol

x10 camera vs. satio camera

hey..
my friend has a SE satio which comes with a 12MP camera..
i just thought my photos sucked when taken at night because it's dark outside..
but when my friend took the same photos in same setting with her satio, it looked so much better..
i don't think 4MP would make such difference .. would it??
x10 came out after satio.. but i guess they put a crappier camera on x10.. hm..

So what you got Android

Considering most phones don't even break 4MP 8.1MP is quite a good camera for a cell phone. SE has been beastly with cameras in their phones and those 4MP do matter. if you took a picture with a 4MP camera and compared it to a picture taken with the X10, the X10 would look infinitely better.
Phone's rarely do well with lighting because they have fixed focus lenses, it's not practical to have a lense that extends and retracts on a cell phone. Cell phones are getting better and better camera but they will never be able to replace a good professional camera.
As for the decision to give the X10 an 8.1MP camera, it likely had to do with pricing. if SE would have put a 12MP camera in the price would have been much higher.

oh no.. i don't mean "i want a 12MP camera!"
but just i didn't think 'megapixels' made much difference in qualities when taken in dark...
it's just that when i took photos with the satio, we could see ppl's faces and etc.. but with x10 it was really dark, pixelated, and etc....

The Satio also has a xenon flash. I'd expect my C905 to beat out my X10 at night too.

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The Satio also has a xenon flash. I'd expect my C905 to beat out my X10 at night too.
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+1! i loved the flash on my c905! it was awesome - infact sometimes too good. it would light up dust in the air and they would appear on shot

The amount of megapixels have nothing to do with the quality of the colors and how well it does in bad lit scenes. If you limit the amount of layers the light has to pass to get to the converting(light to electricity) layer of the cmos sensor then you get better results in dark settings.
Sony developed a back lit sensor in 2008 (i think). This sensor is lit from the back and the light doesn't have to pass all the layers. The result of this is it catches more light. And then you can take better pictures at night. Not sure if they have implemented it yet into mobile phones.
A xenon flash helps idd. Are the pictures in the dark also better without flash?
The x10's camera can capture colors very well with fine detail, it's not a bad camera.

Satio wins at night hands down (xenon flash ).
I saw images in day light and they were better compared with X10.
Problem with Satio is the software.
At least X10 got firmware updates for bug fixing but Satio is pretty much dead.

4 mp matters when it comes to Cypershot processor and Xenon Flash in Satio
even thought Pixels have nothing to do with quality but only in size of the picture

xperia x10 camera quality lacks
sony Ericsson want to sell his all mobile phones thats why there is no camera quality in x10..company never introduce all rounder phone which has good camera , android 2.1 (at least 2.1) , wifi , gps , 4inch screen , sexy look..
if such phone any company introduce than his other handset will not sold..
its marketing policy...nothing else...

swapniladsure said:
sony Ericsson want to sell his all mobile phones thats why there is no camera quality in x10..company never introduce all rounder phone which has good camera , android 2.1 (at least 2.1) , wifi , gps , 4inch screen , sexy look..
if such phone any company introduce than his other handset will not sold..
its marketing policy...nothing else...
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What are you talking about? The X10 had the absolute best camera on a smartphone when it was released.
Also, megapixels mean absolutely, positively nothing when it comes to image capture in the dark. In fact, the more megapixels you shove into a tiny sensor, the crappier the image will be. A bigger CMOS sensor will give you a better picture, not more megapixels.

Exactly
Take a look at the pictures posted here : http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=195111&start=210
They are taken with a xperia x10 and they look stunning compared to other phones.

Infinity1988 said:
Exactly
Take a look at the pictures posted here : http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=195111&start=210
They are taken with a xperia x10 and they look stunning compared to other phones.
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Yes, but not compared to Satio
and you can see that in the link you provided

MJ_QaT said:
Yes, but not compared to Satio
and you can see that in the link you provided
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I didn't come across any comparison between the satio and the xperia x10 on that url, maby i overlooked it. But there are people there that switched from the satio to the x10 and are happy with it. That thread is for x10 pictures only.
Besides take a look here : http://www.ephotozine.com/article/Sony-Ericsson-Satio-12471 Those pictures don't look better than the pictures of the x10.
I think the only thing that's better on the satio (besides amount of mp) is the xenon flash.
I would like to see a direct comparison between the satio, c902 and x10.

not only photo taking sux... music oso sux...
SE never improvise the technology of cybershot and walkman to X10...
wat's the point trying to come out a high end phone but lack of all these... sux... even my brother lousy W350i tat have much much nicer music than mine...
shame on SE....

Infinity1988 said:
I didn't come across any comparison between the satio and the xperia x10 on that url, maby i overlooked it. But there are people there that switched from the satio to the x10 and are happy with it. That thread is for x10 pictures only.
Besides take a look here : http://www.ephotozine.com/article/Sony-Ericsson-Satio-12471 Those pictures don't look better than the pictures of the x10.
I think the only thing that's better on the satio (besides amount of mp) is the xenon flash.
I would like to see a direct comparison between the satio, c902 and x10.
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I'm not saying that x10 picture quality is not good, I am happy with it :-D
But I used both cameras and excluding the mp difference satio's photos are better due to cypershot technology. However, using 3rd party applications like vignette in x10 makes its photos much better and more professional ;-)
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MJ_QaT said:
I'm not saying that x10 picture quality is not good, I am happy with it :-D
But I used both cameras and excluding the mp difference satio's photos are better due to cypershot technology. However, using 3rd party applications like vignette in x10 makes its photos much better and more professional ;-)
Sent from my X10i using XDA App
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I agree on that. The stock camera application uses too much compression. They don't finetune the software of the camera like with the cybershot phones.

Quick Camera Test – Sony Ericsson Arc vs X10i vs iPhone 3GS

Hi,
i took some photos using the x10, Arc and iPhone 3GS as a comparison.
Which do you think is better?
The x10 looks too blurry and the Arc seems more detailed but too compressed. The iPhone does pretty well considering.
http://honglong1976.wordpress.com/2011/08/02/quick-camera-test-sony-ericsson-arc-vs-x10i-vs-iphone-3gs/

Arc is too smudgy
X10 is too blurry
iPhone is too dark, too smudgy and too blurry
Arc looks the best out of the 3, but are they all setup the same? Very bad lighting for a test environment...

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And scale it to 3 megapixel.
It's really no comparison. The iPhone 4 is closer (maybe slightly better in the dark without a flash) but it's color accuracy is horrendous.

I wish i could get the EXIF info on all 3 photos to make sure they all used the exact same settings.
To make sure its a fair comparison.
By the way, the Arcs sensor is superior to the X10 and iphone 4.
Sent from my X10i using XDA App

Well obviously Arc and X10 should be on one side, You seriously can't compare in between these 2 because Arc is ought to be better bcoz it has an eXmor Sensor and is new and both are from SE.
So Arc camera is definitely better than X10
Otherwise X10 has got no competition in picture quality.
Just one thing i hate about X10 is its Flash
You won't find that much detail in pictures of any mobile phone.

coolsid8 said:
Well obviously Arc and X10 should be on one side, You seriously can't compare in between these 2 because Arc is ought to be better bcoz it has an eXmor Sensor and is new and both are from SE.
So Arc camera is definitely better than X10
Otherwise X10 has got no competition in picture quality.
Just one thing i hate about X10 is its Flash
You won't find that much detail in pictures of any mobile phone.
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Yes, the X10 is excellent and besides the Arc...the Nokia N8 beats it up as well along with the Sony Satio...but i cant confirm the satio as ive never used it. Just going by MANY opinions
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Hi, in reply to your questions.
All the lens were clean. All were in the same position and using the default settings.

Didn't look at the pics but I own a X10 and an Arc.
Arc has the better camera.
If it isn't bright or sunny X10's pics get too dark. Arc hasn't that problem.
I think on Android the Arc has the best camera, followed by Neo and then on 3rd place is the X10.
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honglong said:
Hi, in reply to your questions.
All the lens were clean. All were in the same position and using the default settings.
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Thats a problem. Leaving the cameras in default settings is not accurate enough to compare. They will all have different deafult settings. which will effect many different areas of the photo itself.
Mind sharing the EXIF info for each photo?

Flo95 said:
Didn't look at the pics but I own a X10 and an Arc.
Arc has the better camera.
If it isn't bright or sunny X10's pics get too dark. Arc hasn't that problem.
I think on Android the Arc has the best camera, followed by Neo and then on 3rd place is the X10.
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Im sure with the Exmor R Sensor, the Arc is possibly on top of the mountain right now.

At night time the Arc wins hands down, but during the day. Not that much between the X10 and Arc. iPhone does quite well.
Wouldn't mind seeing a comparison against an iPhone 4, Arc, Neo, X10.

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You won't find that much detail in pictures of any mobile phone.
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I beg to differ: on the same link from total undone, select the 1 year old Nokia N8: http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=1&idPhone1=3619&idPhone2=2964&idPhone3=3252
I do own it, but I like X10 more due to bigger screen and because is lighter. Since I did photos with N8, all the hype with Arc superior camera makes me laugh. No guys, they have to say something anyway - how to sell that phone if the housing breaks ??
Arc photos look great scaled down to 800x600, but if you pixel peep is almost like any android phone so far. Very small differences.
iPhone 4 looks the noisiest in the test picture.

i think sony has nearly the best camera. did anyone here took a look at the reference cameras??? in comparison to the reference cam the iphone looks really unnatural and way too much contrast. the arc has nearly the best pic i would say

Arc has the best quality hands down.
I always seem to get blurry pictures with my x10. Pictures ends up okay in sunlight though.

yeah... havent used arc's camera but x10 camera is awesome for a phone... iphone sucks

First test is very bad, iphone totaly suck

Best of Sony... is not really great..

First, I'd like to say that I'm not trying to hate on Sony or bash them, just pointing out that what they call "the best of Sony" isn't exactly great or better than the competition, though I really just want to point out about the display and camera. I moved on from the Note 3 to the Z1 (lost my Note 3, wanted a good phone with a good camera for a low price so I got an Xperia Z1), and here's what I've noticed.
Display:
Well, there's no other way to say it: for a flagship phone, the Z1's display isn't that great. Viewing angles are poor, and viewing it at even small angles puts a whitish hue over it that just doesn't look good. It might be good for privacy, but otherwise it's plain to see that they're using an inferior IPS tech than other manufacturers. The Note 3 or the Nexus 5's displays are clearly much better, and so is the one on the HTC One from early 2013. I've heard that the Z1 Compact finally has a great screen among Sony devices, so that's great, but I feel that many Sony fans are clearly ignorant of how much greener the grass in on the other side when it comes to displays.
Camera
To be honest, this is the biggest disappointment I've had with the Z1. I don't know if Sony was focusing purely on lossless zoom when adding the 20MP camera, but when it comes to resolved detail and visible noise, the Note 3's camera was better despite no fancy tech and standard sensor. Sure, it has a 13MP camera while the Z1 takes photos at 8MP after downsampling, but in general its photos are clearer and more detailed. I've tried taking 20MP pics, and they just do not come out as great as one would expect (if they focused on lossless zoom, even that hasn't worked out well in general outdoor photos), and Sony has basically squandered a nice opportunity.
But on the flip side, I love some things about the camera. It's fast to open (mainly thanks to the camera button), it's smooth, and is quick to change modes, which helped a lot on my weekend trip with my family.) I don't like that HDR isn't a dedicated mode and is simply a switch when you select 8MP photos in Manual, but other than that, it's pretty good overall. In fact, the quickness and the shutter button are what make me ignore the fact that in quality I've come down to a noticeably not-so-great-at-capturing-detail camera (the Note 3 took ages to select modes, open the camera app, and open pictures.)
That's something that's true in Sony's software overall: it's beautiful, sleek, and quick and responsive. I do miss some features from the Note 3 (Multi-Window, Smart Stay (extremely useful when you can't be bothered touching the screen to keep it awake), some camera modes, and the better multitasking (my Z1 is abysmal at holding apps in memory, and not because it's just 2GB of RAM.) It feels good to use, and that's a pretty good thing.
But again, the screen and camera have let me down considerably. Again, on the flip side, I love the phone's build (though it's a bit too bulky, but then it is waterproof), and things like the lanyard slot and camera button (conveniences manufacturers have forgotten in their quest to copy and follow Apple since the first iPhone arrived on the market).
So in the end it's clear that "the best of Sony" just isn't the right thing to say when your tech is behind the competition in some things and just isn't as great as owners of flagship devices of the competition have become used to. The pricing is great, though, but I kinda don't think I'd want to save a few bucks next time I want a phone, not unless Sony focuses on making the hardware more complete regarding awesomeness.
Sorry for the rant, and again, I wasn't bashing, overall I like my Z1, just don't love it (yet)!
P.S.: My Galaxy Gear is also now sitting idle, but I guess we can blame Samsung for making its watch incompatible with other devices. It's a useful watch, but not in use anymore. There is a hack to make it work with others, I tried it with the Z1, but most stuff just doesn't work. So I guess I'll buy Sony's smartwatch next. :silly:
P.P.S.: I hope KitKat comes soon. I like that Sony takes time to test its software, but with Samsung and HTC moving pretty quick with KitKat despite having heavy skins, and Samsung has even managed to not introduce any quirky bugs (they disabled third-party accessories, but an update over the weekend reversed that), I really want KitKat to come quick. I want wireless printing support (Samsung had this even before KitKat, one of the few reasons I appreciate Samsung's bloat sometimes, it has some useful features), and it might also solve the issue of lack of RAM on the Z1, even if only a little bit.

This is what you do on Sunday afternoon? We know Z1 is not best like expected.

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This is what you do on Sunday afternoon? We know Z1 is not best like expected.
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It's Sunday night where I am, and I had to get my thoughts out there after using the Z1's camera extensively the last two days (I bought the phone on Thursday.)

addicted2088 said:
It's Sunday night where I am, and I had to get my thoughts out there after using the Z1's camera extensively the last two days (I bought the phone on Thursday.)
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Saturday Night? You should be in some club! ..ahah...just kidding...I know...I am really disappointed by the camera too....what I can surely said is that the problem of the camera quality is related to the Software, but I don't know if we will get better pictures. Many telling me that the Z1 make amazing pictures but mine is not fake and I still not get clear pictures like it should be. Full of Noise, and with Unlocked Bootloader get even worse.

I understand what you're saying, and you have valid points, but these type of complaints come up with every phone out there.
The HTC One has exactly the same Camera complaint that you do. The UltraPixel was a big disappointment for some. The thing about the Z1's camera is that it CAN be improved. The camera is actually extremely good if you use it in manual, and the pictures that come out are the best I've seen on an Android phone. Superior Auto is a bit of a mess though. That's a software problem, not hardware, so we hope kitKat can fix that.
The display is a valid complaint, but I feel head on it's better than the Note 3. The Z1 has one of the most color accurate screens out there, which I prefer over AMOLED oversaturation. The viewing angles personally for me isn't a problem but yes, it is a negative about this phone.
So in the end it's clear that "the best of Sony" just isn't the right thing to say when your tech is behind the competition in some things and just isn't as great as owners of flagship devices of the competition have become used to
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Well, the Z1 IS the best of Sony...not sure what you're trying to say. I still feel like the Z1 is one of the best phones out there. Although lacking in some parts, the overall package is hard to beat: Snapdragon 800 processor, great battery life, great camera (Yes the camera is still very very good, just not as good as advertised), and best of all premium feeling. There is really no other phone that has all that together in one package right now. The Note 3 is better in some respects but for me feels cheap, and that is a HUGE con for me that overshadows anything else. The Nexus 5 has meh battery life and camera. The HTC One has a meh camera and lower end specs. The Galaxy S4 is no longer talked about when discussing high-end phones.
The point is there's no 'perfect' phone, and I concede that the Z1 does have weaknesses, but so does every other electronic device out there

addicted2088 said:
First, I'd like to say that I'm not trying to hate on Sony or bash them, just pointing out that what they call "the best of Sony" isn't exactly great or better than the competition
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Uh huh.
My advice to you, since it appears you wrote this to practice the writing career you're hoping to have, is to consider other career options. You're not good at this.

learn to make the picture and you will find Z1 camera is great. all the comparatives with Note 3 and the other smartphones take Z1 on the top of Android world
display is very good. poor viewing angle are not a gap, but I can assume it is subjective.
when I watch photos and videos on Z1 display they are much nicer than on other displays.

kantk20111 said:
I understand what you're saying, and you have valid points, but these type of complaints come up with every phone out there.
The HTC One has exactly the same Camera complaint that you do. The UltraPixel was a big disappointment for some. The thing about the Z1's camera is that it CAN be improved. The camera is actually extremely good if you use it in manual, and the pictures that come out are the best I've seen on an Android phone. Superior Auto is a bit of a mess though. That's a software problem, not hardware, so we hope kitKat can fix that.
The display is a valid complaint, but I feel head on it's better than the Note 3. The Z1 has one of the most color accurate screens out there, which I prefer over AMOLED oversaturation. The viewing angles personally for me isn't a problem but yes, it is a negative about this phone.
Well, the Z1 IS the best of Sony...not sure what you're trying to say. I still feel like the Z1 is one of the best phones out there. Although lacking in some parts, the overall package is hard to beat: Snapdragon 800 processor, great battery life, great camera (Yes the camera is still very very good, just not as good as advertised), and best of all premium feeling. There is really no other phone that has all that together in one package right now. The Note 3 is better in some respects but for me feels cheap, and that is a HUGE con for me that overshadows anything else. The Nexus 5 has meh battery life and camera. The HTC One has a meh camera and lower end specs. The Galaxy S4 is no longer talked about when discussing high-end phones.
The point is there's no 'perfect' phone, and I concede that the Z1 does have weaknesses, but so does every other electronic device out there
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Not so sure about that ...
HTC has the best software updates ATM and fastest after Google.
It has the best low light camera + best smart flash with the 5 modes
Average daylight shots
best front cam with wide angle
The best mics hdr mics
The best speakers
The best headphones sound
It's the most quality phone
It has the best screen in overall
It has unmatched feel in the hand
Ir blaster
Ois
60 fps video + zoe + really working hdr video
BlinkFeed which is still unmatched with copies
Decent battery life
Great xda development
Most of these things aren't yet matched by the competition which is shame imo since htc one is 1 year old and it's still considered the best overall package phone even in 2014 and I doubt anything but HTC one 2 will surpass it which is only a month or two away.

A lot on that list are gimmicks and a few items there are disputable. If HTC were as ahead of everyone as you make them appear to be, then that's extremely incongruent to the terrible shape the company is in.

Another "OMG Sony why did you do this to me" thread.
Sony rules!!

Shan89 said:
Not so sure about that ...
HTC has the best software updates ATM and fastest after Google.
It has the best low light camera + best smart flash with the 5 modes
Average daylight shots
best front cam with wide angle
The best mics hdr mics
The best speakers
The best headphones sound
It's the most quality phone
It has the best screen in overall
It has unmatched feel in the hand
Ir blaster
Ois
60 fps video + zoe + really working hdr video
BlinkFeed which is still unmatched with copies
Decent battery life
Great xda development
Most of these things aren't yet matched by the competition which is shame imo since htc one is 1 year old and it's still considered the best overall package phone even in 2014 and I doubt anything but HTC one 2 will surpass it which is only a month or two away.
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I don't want to get in a fight about whose phone is better, but everyone's got different preferences in a phone. A lot of the points you mentioned are opinions, and really can't be said in a comparison.
The most 'quality' phone and 'ummatched feel' is extremely subjective.
The Z1 is no less in quality than the HTC One and has as premium materials.
The Moto X and Z1 compact both have better feel, just because they're smaller.
Z1's battery life has been much better for me than HTC One in my experience.
Headphone sound is exactly the same for me. Beats is a gimmick and just a equalizer preset which I can also set on my Z1.
I will admit the HTC One's speakers is miles ahead of the Z1's and the display is better.
Camera as well is a lot better in the Z1 in daylight, but I remember you're the guy who wrote that HTC One vs Z1 camera test and I don't want to get in a fight again about that, so I won't go there. HTC One's better in low light, but the Z1 isn't that bad either.
The Z1's camera has a ton more features as well that are pretty cool to play around with. Gimmicks? Sure, but they're still fun. Also the Z1's viewfinder is much smoother.
All front facing cameras suck equally and don't believe there's a 'best' front facing camera.
edit: Oh, also concerning updates: This is the first time HTC have actually done well with updates. We'll see a year from now how they treat HTC One users. One X and One X+ users are stuck with official 4.2 while the Xperia T, which came out around the same time+, just got updated to 4.3. Sony might be slower at giving updates but they support their phones longer.
See, I just refuted half of your points. Of course you will disagree with me, but that's what's great about Android: everyone has different preferences and different opinions on what's the best. The HTC One is a fantastic phone and is my number 2 after the Z1, but it's still not the best for me. Nothing wrong with that.

omnius1 said:
A lot on that list are gimmicks and a few items there are disputable. If HTC were as ahead of everyone as you make them appear to be, then that's extremely incongruent to the terrible shape the company is in.
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What exactly is gimmic ?
Ir blaster is very useful
Ois is very helpful in low light / movement or any other type of using the camera / 60 fps video is smooth as camera app on z1 and looks like you're looking thru the glass when watching an video / hdr video is awesome as well at low light , so is the zoe especially if you wanna take out some snaps after which are full sized , I forgot slow motion video as well which is fun tho.
Smart flash is very useful indeed and can take photos from 5cm in pitch black up to 10 meters , with the walls it can go even further
Stereo frontal speakers ...how is this a gimmic lol , anything you do on a phone sounds crazy good + loud + it hits you in the face.
Full metal body is always a good thing , it screams premium ...
Feel in the hand indeed is unmatched due metal + device shape
hdr mics pick up the sound you wouldn't believe that the phone is doing it.
I've forgot also talking via phone is unmatched as well , you get stereo sound + you can talk in super loud environment perfectly fine.
Headphones sound wouldn't be a gimmic as well lol ... Ppl just use that ...on daily bases ..
Software updates is definitely not an gimmic we all want fast and working updates ASAP ,which is not the case with the Sony , it's far from it.
Xda development for me personally is very important since I love to flash + the fact HTC one has about 9/10 times more development it's a must have for me.
The only gimmicky thing would be if you don't like the the BlinkFeed that'd be all which can be turned off.
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We have to open a thread " @@Shan89 VS @kantk20111 " ..hahah..
Ladies and Gentlemen may I present, Shan89 from HTC Section VS kantk20111 from Sony section, Round 2.
FIGHT!
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lol
I had Xperia z1 , camera sucked , phone was too hot and screen is utter **** , so I changed to HTC one for the same stuff you wrote here!

Honestly I am huge fan of HTC but actually I do not brought HTC One, which was cheaper, just because there is no micro SD Slot, and when Apps to SD will be available on Z1, or even Apk on internal and Data on SD on Custom Roms, I will not have regrets to have Z1.

eclyptos said:
We have to open a thread " @@Shan89 VS @kantk20111 " ..hahah..
Ladies and Gentlemen may I present, Shan89 from HTC Section VS kantk20111 from Sony section, Round 2.
FIGHT!
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Nah mate it ain't fight Lol. I was just pointing that there are devices which are quite more complete. Of course I can't think of anything else besides z1 that comes equal to m7 pretty much all devices lack design and quality which both z1 and htc have.
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eclyptos said:
We have to open a thread " [MENTION=3721363 [user=4914682]@Shan89[/user][/MENTION] VS @kantk20111 " ..hahah..
Ladies and Gentlemen may I present, Shan89 from HTC Section VS kantk20111 from Sony section, Round 2.
FIGHT!
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No more fighting lol, just 2 guys who really love their phones alot . For me the HTC One and Z1 will always be the top of Android, with Samsung, LG and the rest way below. Sony and HTC have style along with awesome hardware.
edit: @Shan89 beat me to it

Came from the GSIII and this phone blows it out of the water, so I'm happy.
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I came from htc one to z1 for reasons like low battery camera quality purple tint issue and worst of all its easily breakable body which produced dents on a simple fall
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Shan89 said:
HTC has the best software updates "ATM" and fastest after Google.
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Coming from a T-Mobile HTC One S and being left hangin' with no further updates from 4.1 Jellbean...I jumped off their bandwagon and upgraded to the Sony Xperia Z1S.
I'm glad that HTC is finally wiling to support their top tier products, but a bit too late for me...HTC lost in my book.
The clear winner (for me) is Sony! :good:

Sony Xperia Z2 vs iPhone 5s vs Lumia 1520 low-light camera comparison

Really happy with this test , showing the excellent low light capabilities of the Xperia Z2,
Here:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NKTYPBuGH4

That's amazing
Hope the camera will impressive as in the show when I use it later

Wow
Just one word, Wow!

Ok wait i'm speachless now! THIS JUST SMASHED THE NOKIA AND I****5S

As a Z1 owner this makes me really happy. Both have the same camera, there's no reason why ours shouldn't be improved to be like the Z2's!

I think there is some NFC trick going around. See that plastic sticker on the box?

^ Are u joking? I doubt that they would be so stupid and cheat there, reviews would find that out really fast.

nikola1970 said:
^ Are u joking? I doubt that they would be so stupid and cheat there, reviews would find that out really fast.
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:highfive:

Not a fair comparison. I have owned the 5S and 1520. Use a Note 3. The 1520 would still take a better or as good as shot if it was allowed to focus properly and not have the focus light covered
Not saying the Z2 will be poor just adding some balance.

Mmm.. maybe those box is made for the z2 showoff
Maybe after released to the market, there will be a better camera comparison. But I still love the z2 rather than 5s or the nokia or the s5

Something is very suspicious about this test. I don't know what they're doing, but I would not expect that dramatic of a difference with the Z2 camera in reality.

People need to understand how ISO, shutter speed and aperture work before making judgement. Unless you're just gonna use it for selfies in auto-mode... in which case, who gives a crap.

Itaintrite said:
People need to understand how ISO, shutter speed and aperture work before making judgement. Unless you're just gonna use it for selfies in auto-mode... in which case, who gives a crap.
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EXACTLY! What people don't understand is that the shutter speed and ISO can be manually adjusted on the Lumia to take some very impressive low light shots that would never even be visible on the almighty 5S.

Not a very good comparison, we'll see what happens in real life. But still... suggesting NFC trickery with the sticker on the box sounds a little bit far-fetched...

You guys are so crazy for thinking z2 smashed the other two. It was a cheated test for god sake. The z2 used flash while the others didn't
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SuperMane said:
I think there is some NFC trick going around. See that plastic sticker on the box?
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Really? you think NFC was used here and it wasn't showed on the screen that NFC was used, how stupid can you be?
and doesn't 1520 support NFC too? and We all clearly saw that the flash is off on all three devices.
gavinfabl said:
Not a fair comparison. I have owned the 5S and 1520. Use a Note 3. The 1520 would still take a better or as good as shot if it was allowed to focus properly and not have the focus light covered
Not saying the Z2 will be poor just adding some balance.
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Hypocrite, I clearly myself sometimes don't like the photo quality on Z1 cause it can do better than that and it's all with software issue and I compared 1520 with Xperia Z1 and It showed Xperia Z1 is better.
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EXACTLY! What people don't understand is that the shutter speed and ISO can be manually adjusted on the Lumia to take some very impressive low light shots that would never even be visible on the almighty 5S.
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This test was done on fully auto not the manual mode, I know if it was taken on manual mode Xperia Z2 might not do well yet it will have some decent pictures, Remember that SA mode isn't bad all the time. It takes some great shots time to time.

What a shot!

aliHTCDHD said:
You guys are so crazy for thinking z2 smashed the other two. It was a cheated test for god sake. The z2 used flash while the others didn't
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well that test is kinda strange for sure but flash clearly wasnt used - you can even see the disabled flash symbol in that video

I've re-watched the video and I now understand how it did better but I will wait for comparisons by tech sites. For me all Sony cameras on xperias have been rubbish so I will wait. I don't expect it to beat One/2 or 1020 pureview in low light but we'll see.
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aliHTCDHD said:
You guys are so crazy for thinking z2 smashed the other two. It was a cheated test for god sake. The z2 used flash while the others didn't
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Flash was turned off... you can clearly see that on the screen. However ridiculous the test might be - suggesting Sony rigged it with NFC or hidden/modified icon to conceal the use of flash is just as ridiculous...
This test it still useless though. Real photos are what matters and we will know more in the weeks to come.