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I was messing trying to figure out which is the correct method to close apps, back and home do the same thing, holding HOME (i just found out) brings up a list of recently used apps, but i can't figure a way to properly close them. I have Advanced Task Manager to close them now and again but I don't want to keep it running all the time.
Is there any proper way if the app doesn't provide an exit function?
Because an app is on that list does not mean it is not closed. That list is just the history of the last 6 apps you used.
A lot of people say that you do not need to worry about whether or not an app is fully closed because the software manages that to ensure that it has enough free memory. I don't know enough to know whether that is correct or not.
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Because an app is on that list does not mean it is not closed. That list is just the history of the last 6 apps you used.
A lot of people say that you do not need to worry about whether or not an app is fully closed because the software manages that to ensure that it has enough free memory. I don't know enough to know whether that is correct or not.
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Yes, sorry, the apps I'm referring to are shown by the Advanced Task Manager, I merely found the Recent list when trying to find a way to exit apps.
I sometimes have 15-20 apps in there filling up my RAM even on startup things like Shop Savy will be there twice and Photoshop.com.
They, amongst others don't seem to provide options to prevent them starting at boot so I simply uninstalled them, but all the running apps do severely affect the performance when it's filling up.
I have been experiencing the same problem.
Advanced Task Manager lists a whole load of apps that start on bootup and each one of those doesn't have an option to disable this.
After a while (about 3 hrs or so) of using my Hero I am down to about 40mb of RAM which if I don't use Advanced Task Manager to kill unused apps my Hero begins to lag big time.
On the Android it is better to leave them resident in memory than stop them, unless they are 'background' processes and there is something wrong with them (a bug) making them slow down your phone.
Don't judge your Android on amount of free memory left; if anything, the the less memory left over the better as it means the memory is being used effectively to make it nice and speedy.
Processes aren't allowed to consume CPU cycles/consume battery/slow your phone down when they are not focused; the exception is background processes which need to keep going, like the music player etc. What's more, if an app is not focused then its state is preserved allowing your phone to free up its memory when needed; its memory effectively becomes 'cache' allowing it to restart quicker if it happens to have stayed in memory.
So don't worry about wiping an app from memory; for many apps there is simply no distinction between closing it and switching away from it; as soon as you switch away from it it's as good as closed; it's not slowing your phone down or taking up any memory that couldn't be freed instantly if needed, but if it is lucky enough to stay in memory it will re-open quicker.
On my experience, if you press the back button to exit an app, then the app is closed properly, running the code in the app that will release the memory and objects. This is the best way.
The only app it will not work on is the browser as the back button will send you back through the history.
Try it...
MercuryStar said:
On the Android it is better to leave them resident in memory than stop them, unless they are 'background' processes and there is something wrong with them (a bug) making them slow down your phone.
Don't judge your Android on amount of free memory left; if anything, the the less memory left over the better as it means the memory is being used effectively to make it nice and speedy.
Processes aren't allowed to consume CPU cycles/consume battery/slow your phone down when they are not focused; the exception is background processes which need to keep going, like the music player etc. What's more, if an app is not focused then its state is preserved allowing your phone to free up its memory when needed; its memory effectively becomes 'cache' allowing it to restart quicker if it happens to have stayed in memory.
So don't worry about wiping an app from memory; for many apps there is simply no distinction between closing it and switching away from it; as soon as you switch away from it it's as good as closed; it's not slowing your phone down or taking up any memory that couldn't be freed instantly if needed, but if it is lucky enough to stay in memory it will re-open quicker.
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I understand how and why this should be true, but for me it doesn't seem to be, if my memory falls to less than 40 the phone becomes increadibly unresponsive, I get crashes and have to wait forever for it to do things like open the phone. Immediately after killing all with advanced task manager it goes back to normal.
barryallott said:
On my experience, if you press the back button to exit an app, then the app is closed properly, running the code in the app that will release the memory and objects. This is the best way.
The only app it will not work on is the browser as the back button will send you back through the history.
Try it...
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I have tried both methods, more often than not though, back doesn't seem to do much either, I have experimented with free RAM and using back or Home, it seems the Home certainly isn't the correct way to do it, but back doesn't work very often either, maybe people aren't coding their apps properly to respond to the back button as an exit method?
this is the never ending discussion whether task manager make sense for android or not.
i'm one of those who say: definetly YES! USE TASKMANGER.
I understand that Android works in a way that taskmanager shouldnt be needed because it handles the tasks on its own, but sadly the concept just doesn't seem to work.
When my ram fills up i can cleary see that the device is getting slower, even just opening apps takes more than 5 seconds. After closing some apps the hero is fast again.
now i don't care whether ANDROID is the reason or some POORLY programmed background apps, because the outcome for me as a user is the same. I#m using advanced task manager and im very happy with it, whenever Android starts to slow down i close the open and unneeded apps, and everything is fast again...don't know how people can claim that Android does handle task management perfectly on its own.
Shahpur.Azizpour said:
this is the never ending discussion whether task manager make sense for android or not.
i'm one of those who say: definetly YES! USE TASKMANGER.
I understand that Android works in a way that taskmanager shouldnt be needed because it handles the tasks on its own, but sadly the concept just doesn't seem to work.
When my ram fills up i can cleary see that the device is getting slower, even just opening apps takes more than 5 seconds. After closing some apps the hero is fast again.
now i don't care whether ANDROID is the reason or some POORLY programmed background apps, because the outcome for me as a user is the same. I#m using advanced task manager and im very happy with it, whenever Android starts to slow down i close the open and unneeded apps, and everything is fast again...don't know how people can claim that Android does handle task management perfectly on its own.
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The point is, Task manager of any kind is another 3rd party app taking up more memory, and quite frankly on such a high end phone i shouldn't have to worry about this problem. I noticed another thread about changing the values at which the internal task manager kills apps etc, if it becomes more of a problem i'll look into this method of fixing it.
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The point is, Task manager of any kind is another 3rd party app taking up more memory, and quite frankly on such a high end phone i shouldn't have to worry about this problem. I noticed another thread about changing the values at which the internal task manager kills apps etc, if it becomes more of a problem i'll look into this method of fixing it.
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yes, in theory we shouldn't worry about tasks in the background, but in reality as you said, the device WILL slow down. so there is no other way around than closing apps manually and defining apps to be kept alive by the 3rd party task manager.
changing values for the internal task manager sounds like something which would only work on a rooted device, but im not sure...
Hello XDA, this is my first post. I've had the EVO since launch and I just installed the early rooted Froyo build when it was released but that's irrelevant because this problem was there from the start. I use Advanced Task Killer and see that random apps are opening without my prompting, things like Google Voice, Gmail, Voicemail...very annoying.
On another note I have much more available memory running this unofficial Froyo, even with these apps opening at their will, than I did originally. Thanks for that, XDA.
Since you're rooted, you have two options that I know of.
Download Titanium backup and when you click on the backup/restore tab, you can click on the apps that frequently pop-up in ATK (e.g., voice dialer) and chose to freeze them. This will render the app inoperable. If you have any functional problems you can simply defrost it.
If you find that you're frozen apps are not causing any problems and you don't use them, you can then uninstall them with root explorer (or another file explore with root access).
I have Titanium Backup and didn't know I could do this, thank you very much. is there any way I could stop the apps from opening without rendering them useless?
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Get Autostarts. Configure it.
If I download Autostarts, will it stop my apps from opening by themselves even if I use them occasionally?
I know StartupAuditor does, but its a paid app...
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I know StartupAuditor does, but its a paid app...
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I suppose I'll go for that then
Some of the apps need to be running in order to work as they should. Unless and app is chewing up a lot of CPU you won't notice a drain on the system. A lot of these apps have services that are running constantly so they can poll the system for updates in state, say like receiving a text, call or email. Likely many of the apps are set to auto-refresh so they have to start every so often to complete a task.
ITS FINEEE!!!!
Ok, I am pretty good with computers and electronics but not so much on Android.
But I have done research from people who do know android, and will tell you what to do.
1. Don't use a task killer!!
2. Android is based off of Linux OS.
3. When you turn your phone on and launch Advanced task killer, all of your apps will most likely be "opened" however they are not running.
4. The way the OS works is by technically having all of those apps opened, but they are most likely not wasting CPU or battery, so don't worry about them, thats the way everyone's android device works.
5. Using a task killer is bad, because when you shut down the apps, eventually you will get a lot of force closes, because apps that were supposed to be open were closed and their for not running the way they should.
6. Apparently the OS runs better with more apps open, however its not like windows mobile where if you have 3 apps running at once, it will make the phone slower. Android is designed to have all apps "opened" Again it does not mean they are running.
However,
If you notice that a certain app is hogging CPU or causing poor battery life, delete it, but if you really need the app, then you can use the task killer to kill that app.
And no if used a task killer, your phone will not be ruined or anything.
Hope this helps.
agreed, don't use a task killer, they are essentially useless and just end up causing problems on the evo
What your seeing is most likely the app 'process' so it will actually work correctly.
So Samsung for whatever reason, decides it's a good idea to include an easy to access task manager with a giant "kill all tasks" button in TouchWiz. It seems like everyone I know, that has a Galaxy S II, has adopted a certain behavior due this. What they do is, every time they put their phone away, they will automatically go to this task manager and kill all tasks, before locking the phone. When I ask them why the hell they're doing that, the answer is usually something like "wasting battery blah blah blah" or "wasting CPU blah blah blah"... NO!
For starters:
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
http://lifehacker.com/5650894/andro...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
http://www.infoworld.com/t/smartphones/myth-android-devices-need-task-killers-609
http://androinica.com/2010/05/googl...-imply-task-killermanager-apps-are-pointless/
People that are doing this, educate yourself. And Samsung, well done for encouraging this.
Just because a task is in memory, doesn't mean it's doing anything, and certainly doesn't mean it's using up battery. If it's staying in memory, it's because there's no need to release it just yet. If you start it up again, it will already be there, and load up faster. The alternative is, you keep killing it, and every time you run it again, it will have to reinitialize and reload everything. Which option do you think is actually going to cost more battery?
The whole thing with people saying "oh no it's using CPU, i must kill it"... what?! If it's using CPU, it's probably doing something. Why the hell are you killing a process while it's in the middle of doing something? Do you not care about data integrity at all? It could have been in the middle of syncing, or in the middle of a write operation who knows.
If you run other applications and your memory runs low, then Android will close it. And it will close it properly, as opposed to you force killing it, denying it of any chance to clean up.
Obviously there are rare exceptions with dodgy programs. But most of the time, the tasks being killed are system apps, or trustworthy apps, properly written by Google or Samsung.
If you're not a developer, you probably won't understand the whole Android application lifecycle.
http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html
By force closing an application, you're not allowing it to run its onStop() and onDestroy() functions. This is where apps do all the clean up, releasing resources, unregistering things, closing connections etc.
Do you do this on your PC. Open up Windows task manager, and just kill any task that's using CPU. Or hell, just kill all tasks every 2 minutes! Good luck with that.
This has probably been said hundreds of times, but a lot of people i know are getting GSII's and I see them doing this constantly. It's stupid. Do you really think they designed the operating system so that you have to kill everything each time you touch it?
TLDR: Stop "killing all tasks" (unless theres actually something wrong) and well done Samsung for encouraging this. Just stupid.
Damn your right, I never used a task killer on previous android phones, but for some reason I have got into the habit of doing it now. So I'm going to kill that habit. Well noticed
Well according to the user guide (the full one from Samsung's website)... though personally I don't bother killing anything
Use the task manager › ›
Your device is a multitasking device. It can run more than one application at the same time. However, multitasking may cause hang-ups, freezing, memory problems, or additional power consumption. To avoid these problems, end unnecessary programs using the task manager.
1 In Idle mode, open the application list and select Task manager → Active applications.
The list of all the applications currently running on your device appears.
2 To close an application, select Exit.To close all active applications, select Exit all.
i like the placebo effect and stop telling me what i have to do or not to do!
your writing style is to aggressive, stop being aggressive!
For me, it is worth to have the clear memory option because I already faced the glitch or bugs program which cause my phone to run constantly at 1.2ghz and this will cause my phone become extremely hot. I can't see what application is running but for some reason, the cpu gone crazy. It drain battery in no time. With the simple one click button, I can closed the programs without need to restart the phone. Yes, generally I will let the android system to handle the application by itself but I still think it was a good moved by samsung to have task manager if we use it in proper way...
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Well it's not all that bad, with 2 cores one core can easily come into a deadlock and the device will continue to function albeit much slower and consuming a lot of power, when this happens in the taskmanager the processes are listed red
Thanks ever so for much for this post I have just got my first Android phone and thought by doing this it would increase the battery life a tad but did kinda think it was a bit daft having a system that required manually killing tasks. Coming from a Windows 6.1 XDA Zest I am still getting my head round an OS that's doesn't require hours on Internet to work out how to do things.
Sad, but true, I was getting onto Android from Symbian, and first thing after I realised that I do not have option of killing all apps, I have installed the task killer and kept using it for like a week, then I've read one of the articles about it, that its wrong, and that Android is not working as Symbian nor Windows, so I realised that I dont need to do that... unninstalled it and not using it at all since
You don't need Task manager / killer if only all android applications are developed by good programmers that implement Android application lifecycle properly.
The problem is not all applications are developed this way. Some application may buggy / in beta stage that still consuming processing time even they are in background.
Task manager is still useful to close nasty program manually. But I do agree, auto-kill is useless and can cause battery drain and system instability.
Yep .. it's mostly services what eats battery. And there is poor control over that. It would be interesting to see what service was active at what time, or even how much battery did it use. All battery discussions are about guessing what is running in the background and how often and how much. We should not guess such things.
As far as I'm concerned an in built task manager is just as important as an in built modem right now. There are far too many unstable applications out there that hang up and Android can never fully deal with them(despite what research may or may not have been done in the past).
I have a few games installed on my S2(namely Pool Break Pro & TNA iMPACT!) that crash quite often and require the use of the task manager to manually end those programs(they are in the task manager highlighted in red when they have stalled).
However, what I will say is that the button to clear memory in the RAM manager really shouldn't be there at all. The task manager alone is more than enough to manually exit necessary apps that crash and stay open for no reason.
I like to have the ability to close programs easily at hand. It gives me better control over "rogue" apps. I only use it for a few programs though, like the Engadget app. It seems to be poorly coded, often using 40-50% CPU when running in the background.
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I like it because it lets me close frozen apps quicker..
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i like the placebo effect and stop telling me what i have to do or not to do!
your writing style is to aggressive, stop being aggressive!
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Lol yes. Not to be taken too seriously.
Force closing apps with the task manager when somethings wrong with the phone or closing broken apps makes sense. I'm just talking about people that instinctively press the close all apps button every time they use the phone for a second. It's just silly. Basically doing what those automatic task killing apps do.
I use to kill opera everytime i'm done with browsing because even in idle mode the phone gets very hot when opera runs in the backgtound. But after these explanstions i stop force killing every app
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If a program is badly written and won't stay idle, then kill it.
I am very selective about what I install, and never kill or need to kill anything.
You have 1 GB of ram on this phone. If you want best battery and speed, don't kill anything. loading a running app from ram uses less power than starting from scratch and booting it from nand, then starting it up.
So if apps are well written, don't kill them. If stuff stays around causing drain, kill it individually but find a better app
This thread is spot on... for the most part. Like Pulser said, there are apps when idling/cached, cause detrimental effects like the one I detailed here causing your phone to stay Awake constantly and draining battery:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1094666
ATK isn't the most elegant method, but it allows you to put everything else on ignore and have it actively kill the apps that love to stay cached and cause issues even after you've exited out of them.
Is there a way to "lock" some apps into a memory so they never quit by the android OS except if I would decide to?
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You have a valid point, but most of the time those apps don't do anything critical that it would hurt to interrupt. I usually prefer to exit them normally, but sometimes I just kill it, like when I forgot the Messages / Internet open. No need to paranoia though, leaving a few open won't kill your battery.
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Is there a way to "lock" some apps into a memory so they never quit by the android OS except if I would decide to?
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That's exactly what I needed. There are some apps, like SetCPU, TB, Root Explorer, which can be added to SuperUser authorization and it won't get killed by anything unless someone manually kills it. I'd really really like to know how to add an app under SuperUser or anything which will do the job to add the app in to the OS and which can't be killed by any Task Killer or anything.
Besides I also hate those Task Killer apps, they are meaningless unless an user do nothing regularly with his/her phone.
I've no Task Killer installed but once I used the built in Memory Clear feature and next day my schedule app got closed. From then I never touched it. But one thing if RAM usage goes above 400 MB I think sometime its good to clear the memory as it will help to refresh it. But Samsung should had put the Memory Clear feature more precisely.
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Hey guys just wanna check out how many people are using task killers. For those who don't i'm curious what happens when your phone start lagging. For example, when you're running a HD game, syncing your accounts, playing music, downloading an app, etc etc and your phone starts lagging. What next?
i only install an app named "system panel", but i never use it's "kill all" function
I'm using System Panel too. It provide detailed info about the phone other than being a task manager. i use it to kill apps before screen off my DHD to maintain the RAM at 400-425.
But i read somewhere stated that the RAM consumption doesn't significantly affect battery usage, but is the CPU usage. and the Android OS itself is designed to smart enuff to automatically close unused apps. So app killer is no need for Android.
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I'm using System Panel too. It provide detailed info about the phone other than being a task manager. i use it to kill apps before screen off my DHD to maintain the RAM at 400-425.
But i read somewhere stated that the RAM consumption doesn't significantly affect battery usage, but is the CPU usage. and the Android OS itself is designed to smart enuff to automatically close unused apps. So app killer is no need for Android.
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As for me, I use it to kill rogue apps that consumes battery like hell (e.g Facebook app, Google Maps etc.) I did a lot of hard resets because maps was acting strange but my phone wasn't remedied maps is still there eating my battery so the only solution was to auto kill it when my phone goes to sleep.
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Hey guys just wanna check out how many people are using task killers. For those who don't i'm curious what happens when your phone start lagging. For example, when you're running a HD game, syncing your accounts, playing music, downloading an app, etc etc and your phone starts lagging. What next?
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I buy a new phone, seriously your phone is lagging because you have a task killer installed which is forcing your phone to respawn processes that the task killer has needlessly killed thus more processor activity and a slow down.
REALLY, DITCH THE TASKKILLERS THEY ARE EVIL
Xenova said:
I'm using System Panel too. It provide detailed info about the phone other than being a task manager. i use it to kill apps before screen off my DHD to maintain the RAM at 400-425.
But i read somewhere stated that the RAM consumption doesn't significantly affect battery usage, but is the CPU usage. and the Android OS itself is designed to smart enuff to automatically close unused apps. So app killer is no need for Android.
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If system panel closes processes that the os considers necessary they will be respawned by the system so increasing cpu cycles and decreasing battery life.
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REALLY, DITCH THE TASKKILLERS THEY ARE EVIL
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+1, Google OS closes the processes which are not required, all task killers do is close them early, or close ones still required, which are then forced to re-open.
Using task killers?! Bless them Father, for they have sinned!
For it was Jesus who said: "Task killers are entirely unnecessary and often actually make things worse, my son." [Book of Android, Ch. 6 v.2]
He commands thee to do the following:
1. Uninstall all task killers
2. Seek atonement
3. Root your phone
3. Download Autokiller
This app doesn't actually kill tasks but instead set parameters as to how much memory to keep free, leaving the android system to act normally within those parameters. It's an award-winning app that should come pre-installed on every geek's phone.
4. Download Autostarts
Your apps are pre-programmed to open automatically on certain actions, eg. Market and Maps will automatically open whenever GPS is turned on. However, most of the time it is entirely unnecessary (why the hell should Maps load every time I turn off bluetooth?). This program allows you to control which apps automatically start up on certain actions - you never need worry about killing unnecessary tasks since they won't start up in the first place, see?
5. Upon realising how swift your phone runs after steps 1 - 4, proceed to sacrifice your first-born son on a stone altar at the top of a mountain.
Brethren, can I get an 'amen'?!
cementboy said:
Using task killers?! Bless them Father, for they have sinned!
For it was Jesus who said: "Task killers are entirely unnecessary and often actually make things worse, my son." [Book of Android, Ch. 6 v.2]
He commands thee to do the following:
1. Uninstall all task killers
2. Seek atonement
3. Root your phone
3. Download Autokiller
This app doesn't actually kill tasks but instead set parameters as to how much memory to keep free, leaving the android system to act normally within those parameters. It's an award-winning app that should come pre-installed on every geek's phone.
4. Download Autostarts
Your apps are pre-programmed to open automatically on certain actions, eg. Market and Maps will automatically open whenever GPS is turned on. However, most of the time it is entirely unnecessary (why the hell should Maps load every time I turn off bluetooth?). This program allows you to control which apps automatically start up on certain actions - you never need worry about killing unnecessary tasks since they won't start up in the first place, see?
5. Upon realising how swift your phone runs after steps 1 - 4, proceed to sacrifice your first-born son on a stone altar at the top of a mountain.
Brethren, can I get an 'amen'?!
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Best post in my entire period here on XDA
I use a task killer. Only to kill certain apps though. Runfootball for instance keeps consuming CPU even when the app is closed properly. Therefore I use Task Manager to kill this app automatically when I turn my screen off. XDA app actually keeps consuming CPU for a long time too sometimes.
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I use a task killer. Only to kill certain apps though. Runfootball for instance keeps consuming CPU even when the app is closed properly. Therefore I use Task Manager to kill this app automatically when I turn my screen off. XDA app actually keeps consuming CPU for a long time too sometimes.
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If the app doesn't work properly uninstall it or talk to the devs
cementboy said:
Using task killers?! Bless them Father, for they have sinned!
For it was Jesus who said: "Task killers are entirely unnecessary and often actually make things worse, my son." [Book of Android, Ch. 6 v.2]
He commands thee to do the following:
1. Uninstall all task killers
2. Seek atonement
3. Root your phone
3. Download Autokiller
This app doesn't actually kill tasks but instead set parameters as to how much memory to keep free, leaving the android system to act normally within those parameters. It's an award-winning app that should come pre-installed on every geek's phone.
4. Download Autostarts
Your apps are pre-programmed to open automatically on certain actions, eg. Market and Maps will automatically open whenever GPS is turned on. However, most of the time it is entirely unnecessary (why the hell should Maps load every time I turn off bluetooth?). This program allows you to control which apps automatically start up on certain actions - you never need worry about killing unnecessary tasks since they won't start up in the first place, see?
5. Upon realising how swift your phone runs after steps 1 - 4, proceed to sacrifice your first-born son on a stone altar at the top of a mountain.
Brethren, can I get an 'amen'?!
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Amen!
10 char
my phone does not start lagging. taskkiller are totally useless garbage!
p.s. i am using leedroid 3.2.1
Never use them either, and never had any lags. Entirely useless imo.
Task killers won't help you in speeding up your phone. But I won't call them useless - actually they help in developing an application. There is a wird bug with the adb server under Windows, so if you want to run the application you are developing you have to kill everything and run it before the OS respawns more than 64 processes. Other than that I have found no reason to use them.
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cementboy said:
Using task killers?! Bless them Father, for they have sinned!
For it was Jesus who said: "Task killers are entirely unnecessary and often actually make things worse, my son." [Book of Android, Ch. 6 v.2]
He commands thee to do the following:
1. Uninstall all task killers
2. Seek atonement
3. Root your phone
3. Download Autokiller
This app doesn't actually kill tasks but instead set parameters as to how much memory to keep free, leaving the android system to act normally within those parameters. It's an award-winning app that should come pre-installed on every geek's phone.
4. Download Autostarts
Your apps are pre-programmed to open automatically on certain actions, eg. Market and Maps will automatically open whenever GPS is turned on. However, most of the time it is entirely unnecessary (why the hell should Maps load every time I turn off bluetooth?). This program allows you to control which apps automatically start up on certain actions - you never need worry about killing unnecessary tasks since they won't start up in the first place, see?
5. Upon realising how swift your phone runs after steps 1 - 4, proceed to sacrifice your first-born son on a stone altar at the top of a mountain.
Brethren, can I get an 'amen'?!
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Best post I've ever read on these forums!!!
As soon as I read that Android handles closing tasks automatically I have since made the decision to not go anywhere near Task Killers. On the odd occasion that a rogue process becomes a nuisance, I kill it manually (maybe uninstall), or alter the apps options.
Post of the decade!!!
cementboy said:
Using task killers?! Bless them Father, for they have sinned!
For it was Jesus who said: "Task killers are entirely unnecessary and often actually make things worse, my son." [Book of Android, Ch. 6 v.2]
He commands thee to do the following:
1. Uninstall all task killers
2. Seek atonement
3. Root your phone
3. Download Autokiller
This app doesn't actually kill tasks but instead set parameters as to how much memory to keep free, leaving the android system to act normally within those parameters. It's an award-winning app that should come pre-installed on every geek's phone.
4. Download Autostarts
Your apps are pre-programmed to open automatically on certain actions, eg. Market and Maps will automatically open whenever GPS is turned on. However, most of the time it is entirely unnecessary (why the hell should Maps load every time I turn off bluetooth?). This program allows you to control which apps automatically start up on certain actions - you never need worry about killing unnecessary tasks since they won't start up in the first place, see?
5. Upon realising how swift your phone runs after steps 1 - 4, proceed to sacrifice your first-born son on a stone altar at the top of a mountain.
Brethren, can I get an 'amen'?!
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AMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNN!!!!!
I did my homework before switching to Android Heaven........NO TASK KILLERS!!!
I am the task killer. I periodically check processes and kill the odd one or two that I don't want to run.
My phone has never lagged.
I wll try AutoKiller.
Best post I have read btw!!!
Hello ppl. I'm really concerned about your hate for task killers, so I say mine opinion ;-)
First of all, as any tool, task killer CAN be used in a bad way. You can use scissors to cut your friends finger, but you can also use it wisely.
Secondly, killing a task which you KNOW you won't be using soon IS good. Why? Because Android is not a prophet and WON'T know that it can reuse some memory used for example by google maps for caching input/output from other application saving energy not doing SD reads/writes. Thats simplest example and I will stop at it, because this is really big topic.
Thirdly, if you have to use task killer because you really know what you are doing and know better than probability, use a task killer integrated into ANY OTHER software that stays resident to save CPU cycles switching between tasks.
And last but not least, consider VERY HARDLY before using autokilling feature. This should be used only for ABUSING processes that should never run if there is no other method to achieve this (for example, you cannot uninstall something because it's a part of software required by your needs).
Simple stories about "taskkillers are baaaaaaaad!!! uninstall them right now!!!" are so smart as saying that all people are dumb.
Hate them...
Hello guys, ive juz got my iconia a few days ago.. its my first time using android. Its relatively new to me compared to apple. Ive notice that a few apps is running without me opening e application. is tis normal? ive tried to force close.. but after awhile it comes back up n running again?
What apps?
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burnout69 said:
Hello guys, ive juz got my iconia a few days ago.. its my first time using android. Its relatively new to me compared to apple. Ive notice that a few apps is running without me opening e application. is tis normal? ive tried to force close.. but after awhile it comes back up n running again?
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Generally speaking, yes, this is normal.
Those apps are put into standby and some apps run automatically like Systemupdater, Acer Sync etc... Other apps, like Photo Browser 3D, nemoPlayer, even Maps etc - will start but not in the sense of 'start' like we would think. They are ready states (as I understand them) and in some cases will stay ready or swap out when resources are getting light and the OS needs more headroom.
"By default, every application runs in its own Linux process. Android starts the process when any of the application's components need to be executed, then shuts down the process when it's no longer needed or when the system must recover memory for other applications."
So even if you don't launch and application manually, it could easy start up on it own if a component of it was executed (on some level).
It is not recommended to force-close applications unless the application is causing problems - in which case, uninstalling it is the better option.
gammaRascal said:
Generally speaking, yes, this is normal.
Those apps are put into standby and some apps run automatically like Systemupdater, Acer Sync etc... Other apps, like Photo Browser 3D, nemoPlayer, even Maps etc - will start but not in the sense of 'start' like we would think. They are ready states (as I understand them) and in some cases will stay ready or swap out when resources are getting light and the OS needs more headroom.
"By default, every application runs in its own Linux process. Android starts the process when any of the application's components need to be executed, then shuts down the process when it's no longer needed or when the system must recover memory for other applications."
So even if you don't launch and application manually, it could easy start up on it own if a component of it was executed (on some level).
It is not recommended to force-close applications unless the application is causing problems - in which case, uninstalling it is the better option.
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yes those r the apps that has been running.. tried closing them by using android task manager.. for a moment it will juz start again..by uninstalling them, wats the risks of running my other apps? will it caused any problems?
burnout69 said:
yes those r the apps that has been running.. tried closing them by using android task manager.. for a moment it will juz start again..by uninstalling them, wats the risks of running my other apps? will it caused any problems?
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I (though others would say the opposite) do not recommend uninstalling anything that came preloaded with the tablet. Both for stability reasons and future updates - if however you're really REALLY obsessing over getting back a dozen megabytes of allocated memory from those minor apps then you're going to have to go the whole long road down root avenue and backing up those applications etc ad nauseam. You can get all the info you need throughout the forum.
My advice is, don't worry about those native apps running in the background - if the OS needs more resources it will manage them on it's own. It's not like Windows where you can kill running programs or processes willy-nilly from the task manager when you want to free up memory - in Android, the OS does this as it sees fit, on its own. If it wants more juice, it will make more juice available to itself.
I had the same issues.. a quick fix i ran was to root my tablet and install "bloat freezer" from the market.
it simply stops the processes from running, so your not un-installing them just stopping them from running, Im now seeing my free ram running at appx 65% free at any time which is much better than before.
If i do want to use skype or whatever i simply unfreeze them and freeze them again when finished..
hope this helps..
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just to let you know i have frozen all of the acer bundled apps
Freezing apps is an option. I don't do that so I have no experienced opinion as far as that goes.
i agree with gamma
These apps are not really running. They are connected to context menues.like when younare in camera app and you click the share image menus.you will see the apps that can share the image such at Facebook Picasso dropbox and so on.these are the apps setting in static mode.I know in nor totally correct but its the closes I can do to describe.if your statement needs the memory or CPU cycles these apps might be using it will shut them down..I have tested this theory by launching many apps and logging processes.
task killers running in the background work against the built in memory and resources management's.
Good luck.if im wrong anyone please correct the post.just do so nicely
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yyiinn said:
I had the same issues.. a quick fix i ran was to root my tablet and install "bloat freezer" from the market.
it simply stops the processes from running, so your not un-installing them just stopping them from running, Im now seeing my free ram running at appx 65% free at any time which is much better than before.
If i do want to use skype or whatever i simply unfreeze them and freeze them again when finished..
hope this helps..
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just to let you know i have frozen all of the acer bundled apps
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That does freeze those apps.but if the system needed that ram it would do the same.it gives foreground ape priority.if that or those apps need the resources.the system will kill the lowest priority apps.
Of course thee are some rogue apps that do not play fair.if you find them then uninstall.I use advanced task killer.but never let it run in background.just can launch it lookat what's running. Then close it it will not restart itself
I understand the memory management. But i would rather applications especially skype to run when i want and not as the system see's fit. Social jogger was another culprit they were my biggest bug bears..
yyiinn said:
I understand the memory management. But i would rather applications especially skype to run when i want and not as the system see's fit. Social jogger was another culprit they were my biggest bug bears..
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You can freeze those apps with titanium backup.just remember to unfreeze before you do OTA. update
yyiinn said:
I understand the memory management. But i would rather applications especially skype to run when i want and not as the system see's fit. Social jogger was another culprit they were my biggest bug bears..
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Those apps are not running. The may be started at boot but only partially, then they are "paused" and cached for quicker loading if needed.
Android does an awesome job at memory management and will kill apps when it needs more ram.
I dont like it either since i dont use social jogger, nemo player, acer sync and many more so you have two options
If you are rooted flash a rom without all that crap in it.
Or
Use a file manager with root access and file manipulation like 'rootexplorer' and rename those files so they wont run.
I rename them to socialjogger.apk.bak
Just adding the .bak to the filename is enough.
But dont piss around you can smoke the tablet and have to do a factory reset via recovery if you mess with the wrong file.
Just post a list of thing you wish to remove and we will be happy to let you know whats ok or not.
Oh and btw... the ipad runs a crap ton of stuff in the bckground too, apple jst desnt show you like android does.
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