ok, so i am going to upgrade my phone soon, i have 3 choices and i am not sure which one to get; Motorola Milestone X, Samsung Galaxy S, or HTC Merge.
any thoughts?
I'd look up each on xda development website and see which has better ROM choices and which development teams are involved.
From that information I'd pick the one that has best and most options.
Good luck
V's CDMA Hero
I try to get a phone thats on Xda cspire really doesnt have any good phones that has development on here , you should wait till they release 4g
Are you talking about the Galaxy S 2, or just the Galaxy S? If it's the Galaxy S 2, go with that. I know people will come in and say Sammy is slow on updates, but I don't think they will disappoint with the S 2. Coupled with the last 2 Nexus phones have been Samsung, I think it shows Samsung's dedication to Android.
Otherwise, I'd get the Milestone X. I'm getting tired of HTC's shenanigans, so I'm looking to other manufacturers from here on out.
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I'm getting tired of HTC's shenanigans, so I'm looking to other manufacturers from here on out.
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What shenanigans? I've heard much worse about the Samsung Galaxy S (Epic) compared to the HTC hero. GPS problems causing the phone to restart and difficulty developing. They only just got CM7.
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What shenanigans? I've heard much worse about the Samsung Galaxy S (Epic) compared to the HTC hero. GPS problems causing the phone to restart and difficulty developing. They only just got CM7.
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I sold my epic and went back to my hero because it tons of problems my hero is way better
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im going with the motorola photon. not alot of development going on but thats not really a problem when the phone is beastly out the box(so i hear dont own one myself).but getting one in two weeks. im going to root it and run it stock, until some genius unlocks the bootloader without losing 4g.
I'm very seriously considering going with Sprint's version of the Samsung Galaxy SII, the Epic 4G Touch. I played with it at a friends' house and, even with the stock ROM, it is UNBELIEVABLE how much faster and better all around it is than our little workhorse Heroes.
I was not, however, too crazy about the Evo 3D. Even with a custom ROM, it seemed slow and sluggish by comparison to the stock Epic 4G. In the exact same location, the Epic 4G loaded everything faster, had much faster results on speedtest, and switched between apps much quicker. Plus the Epic is thinner and lighter, with a bigger screen.
I really don't know anything about the Photon. A 1ghz Tegra 2 is kinda slow these days, though. I looked at one in the store briefly, but the style was not very attractive to me. The piano black edges clashed with the matte black body. And they are fingerprint magnets.
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I'm very seriously considering going with Sprint's version of the Samsung Galaxy SII, the Epic 4G Touch. I played with it at a friends' house and, even with the stock ROM, it is UNBELIEVABLE how much faster and better all around it is than our little workhorse Heroes.
I was not, however, too crazy about the Evo 3D. Even with a custom ROM, it seemed slow and sluggish by comparison to the stock Epic 4G. In the exact same location, the Epic 4G loaded everything faster, had much faster results on speedtest, and switched between apps much quicker. Plus the Epic is thinner and lighter, with a bigger screen.
I really don't know anything about the Photon. A 1ghz Tegra 2 is kinda slow these days, though. I looked at one in the store briefly, but the style was not very attractive to me. The piano black edges clashed with the matte black body. And they are fingerprint magnets.
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I have an Evo 3D, and while it's definitely a step up from the OG Evo, HTC has killed the capability of the phone with their Sense UI. I don't get any FCs, but there is a lag when the the carousel is spinning. The frame rate of the spin is not very fluid. The only reason I have the 3D is because I was having issues with my Evo 4G, and it was replaced with a 3D. If I were in the market for a new phone today, I would go with the Epic Touch 4G, and not look back. But, I hope the Galaxy Nexus comes to Sprint, as I think I'm done with carrier customizations, since I always revert back to near vanilla Android (CMx) anyway. I just hope the 4th gen Nexus goes to Sprint (not due for an upgrade until Jan 2013), and has a LTE radio. I'd like for it to be a world phone, but will be satisfied with LTE and Jelly Bean, or whatever Googles uses for the letter J.
I own an evo as well haven't had not one issue. Slow ha never. If you on a Evo3d and its slow I'd definitely say its user error.
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I own an evo as well haven't had not one issue. Slow ha never. If you on a Evo3d and its slow I'd definitely say its user error.
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Compared to a SGS2 it is awfully slow. Just go to a retail store and compare the two. After seeing these two side by side outside of a store, I wanted to get an idea of what they were like in store, just in case you were right. You're not. Even in store, the difference is significant! It's really night and day. The SGS2 is significantly faster when loading web pages, has apparently a better radio because its speedtests were faster than the evo, when both were done side-by-side, and the SGS2 took and stored pictures about half a second faster.
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Compared to a SGS2 it is awfully slow. Just go to a retail store and compare the two. After seeing these two side by side outside of a store, I wanted to get an idea of what they were like in store, just in case you were right. You're not. Even in store, the difference is significant! It's really night and day. The SGS2 is significantly faster when loading web pages, has apparently a better radio because its speedtests were faster than the evo, when both were done side-by-side, and the SGS2 took and stored pictures about half a second faster.
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Lol man everyone has there opinion, but to say I'm wrong lol that's a little different. I actually own a Evo3d you don't own either phone correct?? And you went to a store a played with two demos and did a comparison which IMO isn't accurate because you dont know how the phones were setup. And as far as speed tests go IMO there garbage. Real world performance is what matters. But to save a back and forth about a phone you currently don't own I'll post this. You get what ever phone works for you. And that's all that matters.
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Lol man everyone has there opinion, but to say I'm wrong lol that's a little different. I actually own a Evo3d you don't own either phone correct?? And you went to a store a played with two demos and did a comparison which IMO isn't accurate because you dont know how the phones were setup. And as far as speed tests go IMO there garbage. Real world performance is what matters. But to save a back and forth about a phone you currently don't own I'll post this. You get what ever phone works for you. And that's all that matters.
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I don't think you read my first response. I played extensively with two of my friends' phones, one an SGS2, one an Evo 3d, both of which have cm7 loaded on them. I rebooted them both before I did a comparison. The SGS2 was _considerably_ faster in every respect. Then I went to a Sprint store to see if it was just some random thing. In the store, after rebooting them, the SGS2 was _significantly_ faster as well with both having stock roms that were wiped clean the night before my arrival.
All off the differences were real world differences. I think it's interesting to see speedtests act so differently, too, since both phones were priced at the exact same $199.99 level. The SGS2 was about 35% faster, repeatedly, when they did side-by-side comparisons. That matters to me, especially when every other phone operation was better, both under CM7 and stock.
The only thing I'm seeing in your response is that you haven't played with both phones and you think yours, without having done an empirical test, simply "must" be just as fast. Go compare for yourself, buddy.
As far as me reading your post incorrect that's a negative, your second post is greatly different than your first. How then could I have misread your first post and got the meaning of your second post when there obviously not the same. If what you posted in your second post was the point you were trying to make then don't you think you should have posted that instead?? "Its a rhetorical question" Also if that's all you get from my first post then hopefully you can gain a little more from this one. A good friend of mine has the sgs2 so I had the pleasure of handling the phone unrooted. Then just to spite me because I give him such a hard time about it he went and paid someone else to root it and put cm7 on it. After that I had the pleasure of handling the phone while being rooted. I will definitely say the sgs2 is a top noch phone but its not faster IMO than the Evo3d. As far as app loading,web page rendering, phone call connection, multitasking, multimedia upload & download, bootup time, shutdown time, etc. I've ran the sgs2 threw the paces of how I would use my phone and I would definitely still choose the Evo3d. So to shed a little light on the dark thought that you have of me just thinking "my Evo3d is faster" lol without giving the sgs2 a fair shot, I have spent enough time with the sgs2 to know that I would not want one. A fast phone yes but just not faster than the Evo3d. Its just my opinion. Also as I previously posted just get what phone you like best and if it works for you that's all that matters.
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As far as me reading your post incorrect that's a negative, your second post is greatly different than your first. How then could I have misread your first post and got the meaning of your second post when there obviously not the same. If what you posted in your second post was the point you were trying to make then don't you think you should have posted that instead?? "Its a rhetorical question" Also if that's all you get from my first post then hopefully you can gain a little more from this one. A good friend of mine has the sgs2 so I had the pleasure of handling the phone unrooted. Then just to spite me because I give him such a hard time about it he went and paid someone else to root it and put cm7 on it. After that I had the pleasure of handling the phone while being rooted. I will definitely say the sgs2 is a top noch phone but its not faster IMO than the Evo3d. As far as app loading,web page rendering, phone call connection, multitasking, multimedia upload & download, bootup time, shutdown time, etc. I've ran the sgs2 threw the paces of how I would use my phone and I would definitely still choose the Evo3d. So to shed a little light on the dark thought that you have of me just thinking "my Evo3d is faster" lol without giving the sgs2 a fair shot, I have spent enough time with the sgs2 to know that I would not want one. A fast phone yes but just not faster than the Evo3d. Its just my opinion. Also as I previously posted just get what phone you like best and if it works for you that's all that matters.
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I encourage you to re-read what I said. You're mistaking my second post for my first one. This is now my fourth on the subject. It appears you completely ignored most of what I said.
Your story is convoluted and sounds pretty far-fetched. At this point, it looks like a fairly weakly-fabricated "me too." You have over 200 Thank Yous here (which, I agree is meaningless in the grand scheme of things), but you really expect me to believe the story you concocted with such poor grammar and a lack of basic punctuation? No offense, but is English not your native language? Perhaps that's why we're not understanding one another.
You don't have to believe me, but real-world usage, as well as all of the reviews with benchmarks show that the SGS2 eats the Evo 3D for lunch in almost every benchmark. That translates to real world performance, at least in how I use my phone. Perhaps you don't use yours as a multimedia device. That's fine, not everybody does. It's ok if you don't want to believe that, but it is the case as every professional review site will attest.
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I sold my epic and went back to my hero because it tons of problems my hero is way better
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Well you have no credibility left!
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I encourage you to re-read what I said. You're mistaking my second post for my first one. This is now my fourth on the subject. It appears you completely ignored most of what I said.
Your story is convoluted and sounds pretty far-fetched. At this point, it looks like a fairly weakly-fabricated "me too." You have over 200 Thank Yous here (which, I agree is meaningless in the grand scheme of things), but you really expect me to believe the story you concocted with such poor grammar and a lack of basic punctuation? No offense, but is English not your native language? Perhaps that's why we're not understanding one another.
You don't have to believe me, but real-world usage, as well as all of the reviews with benchmarks show that the SGS2 eats the Evo 3D for lunch in almost every benchmark. That translates to real world performance, at least in how I use my phone. Perhaps you don't use yours as a multimedia device. That's fine, not everybody does. It's ok if you don't want to believe that, but it is the case as every professional review site will attest.
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How many thanks I have is unimportant I also checked your profile and it seems most of your posts are just complaints and requests this helps insure that this is my last post on this subject. Also if you believe what I wrote or not doesn't concern me the least, such matters are pointless just like your posts. I understand that some people have trouble focusing there thoughts so I'll leave you to yourself so you hopefully get it all worked out. I really hope you do. Have a good one.
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You ignored everything I said, absolutely everything.
You gave no evidence for your claims except for your fake story. I noted that every review that compares both phones shows the difference I saw. This isn't opinion. It's fact, proven by multiple benchmarks and side-by-side comparisons.
I'll make this easy for you. Watch this video. It's real world performance. There's a distinct advantage for the SGS2.
http://pocketnow.com/android/htc-evo-3d-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-2-video
I can understand if you prefer the Evo 3D for whatever reason. It's entirely acceptable to do so. However, to claim that its performance is better than the SGS2 is, simply put, wrong on almost all accounts. I didn't expect someone with so many Thanks to be such a jerk. It's good to admit when you're wrong. You might try some humility sometime.
I heart my NS4G that cost me $30. Paying $200 for a phone at this stayof the game is rather pointless imo, but I am enjoying browsing these hero threads without being bombarded by repeat ICS posts
Edit: that should be stage of the game
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lol @ the guy that thinks the evo3d is as good as the sgs2
and lol that he thinks its faster
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Now that we know the Epic 4G is officially coming to sprint is anyone returning their evos?
Personally i think:
Epic 4G wins in:
graphics processing
CPU processing
Display (even though evos in bigger)
Evo 4G wins in:
Developers/XDA community (biggy for me)
Phone look (its just sexyyy)
High Res cam in front and back
Sense (even though i prefer vanilla)
Epic 4G loses in:
****ty Samsung Android "skin" w.e its called
SAMSUNG!!
No Devs.....
Evo 4G Loses in:
30 FPS - although a fix has been made thanks to our devs
There were more issues at launch but all of been fixed minus the screen separation which HTC is "looking into"......
So what do you guys say?
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Now that we know the Epic 4G is officially coming to sprint is anyone returning their evos?
Personally i think:
Epic 4G wins in:
graphics processing
CPU processing
Display super (even though evos in bigger)
Evo 4G wins in:
Developers/XDA community (biggy for me)
Phone look (its just sexyyy)
High Res cam in front and back
Sense (even though i prefer vanilla)
Epic 4G loses in:
****ty Samsung Android "skin" w.e its called
SAMSUNG!!
No Devs.....
Evo 4G Loses in:
30 FPS - although a fix has been made thanks to our devs
There were more issues at launch but all of been fixed minus the screen separation which HTC is "looking into"......
So what do you guys say?
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I say Evo wins and you're gonna get an eyeful for making this thread in the development board.
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I say Evo wins and you're gonna get an eyeful for making this thread in the development board.
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Ya ****t ...... i just realised..... sorry everyone... MODs plsssss move to general
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Ya ****t ...... i just realised..... sorry everyone... MODs plsssss move to general
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Epic 4g is still going to be a WIN... i wouldnt trade my EVO for it... but i def. will get one when its out... it will eventually catch on here at XDA... hell there is Dell and Motorolas on here now... why not samsung...
about the samsung touchwiz crap... think about it... all it is is a skin over vanilla...??? freaking 1/2 the people here are always crying about how much sense sucks anyway... so why not...
i have been reading how its being knocked about not having all the "social" crap of sense... obviously the person writing that has not looked at the market for a long long while... or forgot that this isnt an iphone...
Epic will be as good as the EVO if not better simply because of the hummingbird processor...
Depending on the price I'm getting one as a spare
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Depending on the price I'm getting one as a spare
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I switched from T-Mobile for the Evo, I have -no idea- how their upgrade system works. Do you think I'll be able to upgrade, given I -just- started my contract with them?
Me and another guy went to return our EVO's today, in light of the EPIC, well, the fact we went in yesterday for the same ****, but my buddy running the store told me yesterday they have no info at all on release date..
He got some info from Sprint today, release date is "black friday" the last friday before thanks giving...
Hell of a long time to wait, regardless if I could of returned my EVO, put my sprint service on a **** phone, and kept my 2 year upgrade/new contract eligability available until the EPIC comes out...
5 months? To hell with that. Ill probally be able to sell my EVO in a little bit shy of 100$ of what the epic will cost me in full. so to hell with it, We kept our EVOs.
I hate sense. I cant stand the 30FPS cap, I never use the HDMI the way i thought it would be implemented, and that extra $10 fee for .. well, nothing is kind of starting to bother me the more I think about it.
In the end, evo still crushes my other friends iphone4, even though their so ****ing stupid and wont accept anything besides there own opinion, and just tried to laugh at the evo apparently. i-d-i-o-t-s.
..still most of me likes the nexus more but tmobile just sucks in my area.
you will not have to wait till the black friday... by that time (end of summer / fall) we will be playing with nVidia Tegra powered phones running in the neighborhood of 1.2ghz to 1.5ghz natively ... that can push 1080p with a breeze and have better battery life than snapdragon powered devices ... unfortunately 1st run of nVidia Tegra powered phones will be windows 7 instead of android ...
looks like a childs toy, untill they make a proper phone with keyboard that doesn't look like it comes from fisher price I say nay to thee!
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Me and another guy went to return our EVO's today, in light of the EPIC, well, the fact we went in yesterday for the same ****, but my buddy running the store told me yesterday they have no info at all on release date..
He got some info from Sprint today, release date is "black friday" the last friday before thanks giving...
Hell of a long time to wait, regardless if I could of returned my EVO, put my sprint service on a **** phone, and kept my 2 year upgrade/new contract eligability available until the EPIC comes out...
5 months? To hell with that. Ill probally be able to sell my EVO in a little bit shy of 100$ of what the epic will cost me in full. so to hell with it, We kept our EVOs.
I hate sense. I cant stand the 30FPS cap, I never use the HDMI the way i thought it would be implemented, and that extra $10 fee for .. well, nothing is kind of starting to bother me the more I think about it.
In the end, evo still crushes my other friends iphone4, even though their so ****ing stupid and wont accept anything besides there own opinion, and just tried to laugh at the evo apparently. i-d-i-o-t-s.
..still most of me likes the nexus more but tmobile just sucks in my area.
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damn...black friday..that is too long to wait
Black Friday is the day AFTER Thanksgiving what would put it at November 26th.
"The EVO 4G, while having an impressive set of specifications, still runs a 65 nm chip that is less power efficient and pales in terms of graphics performance when compared to the Galaxy S." http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=17125 good read comparing the processors, Super AMOLED is way better, colors, battery, everything, and the hummingbird has a superior GPU and is only a 45nm compared to our 65nm. HTC has always been about numbers, get the 1GHz processor, 8MP camera, 4.3" screen, but not always the best quality of them. the Epic may be better in some respects.
I wouldn't give my EVO for an EPIC right now though, xda, quality and reliability of HTC hardware, and sense (menus and contacts, not widgets) are just to good to pass up. Also, I don't really like any hardware keyboard after the TP2, samsungs is still not on the same level. samsungs sometimes feel cheap, HTC's feel and look like higher quality devices.
Its Apples and Oranges, just get your Bananas out of here.
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Also I have heard from Sprint Reps the EPIC will be out no later than August, more likely mid July.
Additionally CLEAR will be starting phone services this year and have announced HTC and Samsung devices, most likely these two.
Hardware keyboards are one thing (I tend to not like them), but horizontal hardware keyboards are just terrible. Am I the only one that almost never holds their phone horizontally?
I'll keep my EVO, or go with the standard Galaxy S, as long as it can go Vanilla.
sorry, im an htc guy
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Hardware keyboards are one thing (I tend to not like them), but horizontal hardware keyboards are just terrible. Am I the only one that almost never holds their phone horizontally?
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I have only ever liked the Blackberry Curve 8330, but on the horizontal thing, I too, barely hold it like that, it is good for games and some occasions, but I prefer Vertically. :]
Ya know I had my EVO 4G for like 3 weeks and then i Traded it in for an iPhone 4 I just had to see what the hype was about and see if the battery thing was true....its not i charge this **** 2 times a day just like my evo (Biggest Mistake of my Life I had that signal issue rly bad) but im kindda stuck for now because i want to ether get the white EVO 4G or the Epic but i need a Release date id hate to get stuck in a ATT contract cuz they suck here in NYC im praying for a July 15 Surprise Release Date
thats when the New Rim phones Drop and the Droid X and the White EVO Golden Day?
I was interested in this phone also until I did a bit more research on custom roms etc. There won't be any!
Apparently Samsung has some kind of security on the phone that you can't touch the drivers. From what I read its impossible to do ANYTHING without the drivers.
It doesn't look good at all for custom roms etc on the Samsung. Just not worth losing all the custom things on my EVO.
I can tell the OP never had a Samsung phone the Moment which is also a Samsung phone does have a development community behind it, Google SDX-Developers.
Also the skin can be replaced easily and cooking an AOSP ROM isn't exactly hard. Two big pluses I can't get over that keep ringing in my head are the sexy as hell SUPER AMOLED screen and the Hummingbird processor, which spanks the Snapdragon in every benchmark.
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I was interested in this phone also until I did a bit more research on custom roms etc. There won't be any!
Apparently Samsung has some kind of security on the phone that you can't touch the drivers. From what I read its impossible to do ANYTHING without the drivers.
It doesn't look good at all for custom roms etc on the Samsung. Just not worth losing all the custom things on my EVO.
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Wow, you have no idea what you're talking about no offense, Samsung phones have been rooted and modified for a long long time there is no special settings or protection. And a kernal HAS to be produced by law, since Android is an Open Source project.
Look for yourself, wow no community at all:
http://www.sdx-developers.com/
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I can tell the OP never had a Samsung phone the Moment which is also a Samsung phone does have a development community behind it, Google SDX-Developers.
Also the skin can be replaced easily and cooking an AOSP ROM isn't exactly hard. Two big pluses I can't get over that keep ringing in my head are the sexy as hell SUPER AMOLED screen and the Hummingbird processor, which spanks the Snapdragon in every benchmark.
Wow, you have no idea what you're talking about no offense, Samsung phones have been rooted and modified for a long long time there is no special settings or protection. And a kernal HAS to be produced by law, since Android is an Open Source project.
Look for yourself, wow no community at all:
http://www.sdx-developers.com/
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Did I say anything about root? What does root have to do with drivers?? Maybe you need to do some research!! Samsung has their own security on the phone to protect their drivers!! This is a fact. Go read the Samung Galaxy S forums that are right here and thats been the case with past Samsung phones.
I didnt mention kernel either. Did you even read my post?
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Did I say anything about root? What does root have to do with drivers?? Maybe you need to do some research!! Samsung has their own security on the phone to protect their drivers!! This is a fact. Go read the Samung Galaxy S forums that are right here and thats been the case with past Samsung phones.
I didnt mention kernel either. Did you even read my post?
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If that's been the case with past Samsung phones, then why are there like 20+ custom ROMs for the Moment alone that work perfectly fine with original drivers and are completely different from stock builds.
I know this because I came from a Moment been rooting/flashing/hacking it since the day it was released, this is the first I've ever heard of anything like this and it was never a problem then, unless this is new for the Galaxy S line which I doubt.
Also the reason I brought up custom ROMs was because you brought them up:
Apparently Samsung has some kind of security on the phone that you can't touch the drivers. From what I read its impossible to do ANYTHING without the drivers.
It doesn't look good at all for custom roms etc on the Samsung. Just not worth losing all the custom things on my EVO.
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Go look at my link you'll see a wide library of Samsung custom ROM builds, so how is it impossible to have custom ROMs on a Samsung phone?
All the reviews are making me nervous... thank god for a return policy.
Give me a chance to root and see if I can remove all this bloatware, bing crap.
Such a pretty device too....
ya no kidding huh?
I ordered a droid x almost 2 weeks ago and have been mulling over switching to the fascinate ever since. Apparently now I'll have to wait to receive my droid x and then bring it in and return it for the fascinate. Good thing it's coming tomorrow(they told me it would ship on the 13th).
I have no idea what to do. The fascinate looks great as far as specs go. It really just depends on how the custom roms are going to run on it, because there's no way I'm sticking with bing search and maps... EVERYONE has said it but it's just retarded!
Soo... the DX's bootloader is still locked. The Fascinate is "supposedly" completely unlocked. The DX is supposed to be getting Froyo anyday now right? And who knows when the Fascinate will get it... sometime this year huh?
I'm so tired of this stinky old Touch Pro 2 that I can't even check my twitter on anymore! I'm definately leaning towards trying the Fascinate. And I will DEFINATELY be rooting/hacking/overclocking to the fullest of it's capabilities. Sorry for going on.. I've had smartphones on my brain for the last week. At least most of ya'll understand what I'm going through.
Just one week? I have been thinking about Fascinate for months (ever since it was announced)
I knew Bing would be default search engine but I never thought it would be the only search engine.
Here I was, getting a bit antsy thinking Google might turn evil after the net neutrality deal, but MS is still the evil lord of technology.
First of all, the reviews (Gizmodo/Engadget/Droid Life) that were written about the Fascinate were all awful. Not a single one of them did the phone any justice, nor did they cover anything except how much they hated the fact that Bing was the only search engine and that TouchWiz has a lag issues and other problems. They never said anything about the hardware being superior to any other device vzw offers. There is no doubt that TouchWiz needs improving and that having only Bing is stupid. However this phone is awesome. The cpu/gpu/screen are all much better than the Droid X and the Droid 2 and the Droid Incredible. Once this thing is rooted and the ROMs start coming, it will be the king.
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They never said anything about the hardware being superior to any other device vzw offers.
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"The phone hardware is pretty good!" -Gizmodo
"In terms of raw specs, the Fascinate looks lustworthy no matter how you slice it." -Engadget
"It has an amazing screen and specs to put many phones to shame..." -DroidLife
I'm pretty sure you were trolling though.
Actually I wasn't. What you pasted is literally about all they wrote. They seem like they are trying to prove a point that they hate what they did with Bing, so you shouldn't buy the phone. I think Gizmodo went as far as saying if you want a Galaxy S phone you should switch carriers...
I just think the reviews were all terribly ignorant, and not really fair compared to some of the other reviews i've seen them do. I don't even know how you can compare this phone to a Droid Incredible at this point, it's far superior in every category with the exception that Sense UI is likely a bit better than TouchWiz.
This is one of my favorites:
"Camera: This actually started out in the “Good” section and as I continued through the review, it had to be moved. 5MP? Really? The picture quality of shots taken with the camera aren’t bad at all, but with the Incredible and Droid X both sporting 8MP beasts, you’ve got to come strong."
This guy is clearly clueless, and what he says makes no sense at all.
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"The phone hardware is pretty good!" -Gizmodo
"In terms of raw specs, the Fascinate looks lustworthy no matter how you slice it." -Engadget
"It has an amazing screen and specs to put many phones to shame..." -DroidLife
I'm pretty sure you were trolling though.
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"The phone hardware is pretty good!" -Gizmodo
lol, what a joke.
It's not trolling to say that the reviews aren't good. If he was trolling it would make more sense for him to be mocking the phone and saying it sucks. Instead he's saying the phone will likely be very popular even with all of the bad reviews.
Either way, imo the only good review is slash gear's b/c they gave a thorough in-depth review. Not a "lightning" review, not a quick overview, but a REAL review.
Now, let's get this back on topic.
I am not trusting any of the reviews at this point. I'll be picking up my fascinate tomorrow and I have high hopes and expectations.
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This is one of my favorites:
"Camera: This actually started out in the “Good” section and as I continued through the review, it had to be moved. 5MP? Really? The picture quality of shots taken with the camera aren’t bad at all, but with the Incredible and Droid X both sporting 8MP beasts, you’ve got to come strong."
This guy is clearly clueless, and what he says makes no sense at all.
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I wonder if they said the same thing when they were giving glowing reviews to the iPhone 4. After all, it ONLY packs a 5mp camera as well. What a crock these people all are.
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The cpu/gpu/screen are all much better than the Droid X. Once this thing is rooted and the ROMs start coming, it will be the king.
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This phone is only better by its screen type & gpu, both phones straight out the box, the droid x performance a hella alot better then the fascinate in some good ol benchmark test such as quadrant, its true it performance better at gpu benchmark of course because of the updated gpu inside it; but IMO Droid X is still better.
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This phone is only better by its screen type & gpu, both phones straight out the box, the droid x performance a hella alot better then the fascinate in some good ol benchmark test such as quadrant, its true it performance better at gpu benchmark of course because of the updated gpu inside it; but IMO Droid X is still better.
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Not to be nit-picky, but the Hummingbird CPU is superior to the Droid X snapdragon.
Just throwin' that out there.
dr154 said:
This phone is only better by its screen type & gpu, both phones straight out the box, the droid x performance a hella alot better then the fascinate in some good ol benchmark test such as quadrant, its true it performance better at gpu benchmark of course because of the updated gpu inside it; but IMO Droid X is still better.
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Galaxy S phones stumble during the I/O test in Quadrant. People created a patch for it and the phone scores well above anything else.
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Not to be nit-picky, but the Hummingbird CPU is superior to the Droid X snapdragon.
Just throwin' that out there.
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Just throwin this out there, it has a OMAP which is also superior to the snapdragon. But yes once this ***** has some good custom roms it will b king, i playedneed for speed on it, OMG it was like better than my psp, no lie, can't wait, im on the way to the store to pick one up n less than a 2 hours, i couldn't even sleep last night im so stoked. Ill be keeping this one for awhile. The veibrant has a 1.6OC coming soon this phhone will b SWEET!!!!!
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i couldn't even sleep last night im so stoked.
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lol, I'm with ya there. I just wish I didn't have to wait till after work.
I don't post here much, but I bought into the BOGO fascinate deal yesterday. I have been a WM nerd for years and was waiting for some decent WP7 devices before I upgraded from my TP2. I'm stuck on verizon, and it looks like there are no noteworthy WP7 launch devices. I also work for verizon, so I get an upgrade every 10 months. Figured I'd take a chance withandroid for the next 10 months to try the whole shebang.
Being a geek, I took one look at the specs and was impressed.
First: This is XDA. What does all this bing/touchwiz nonsense mean to us? The FIRST thing I do with any smartphone I get is root! Aren't the CNET/Amazon review boards for the people who can't get over these tiny carrier-specific idiosyncracies?
I keep reading the reviews as well--and most importantly the reviews in the user-submitted sections. The phone is getting absolutely flamed by people who don't even own it yet feel the need to rank it at a "1" on all levels because of Bing. Seriously?
I'm not worried about a thing. Once this phone is rooted, and I'm sure it won't take long, it's going to be a beast.
I got my fascinate this morning and it is a thing of beauty.
Unfortunately, I can use it yet. Verizon billing system is having issues in the Midwest and cant activate me yet. Atleast that's what their telling me.
But i'm having fun moving the puzzle piece around, haven't seen the word "BING" yet.
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Not to be nit-picky, but the Hummingbird CPU is superior to the Droid X snapdragon.
Just throwin' that out there.
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Droid X doesn't even have a Snapdragon processor, its OMAP, there's a difference...
The point im making is that straight out of the box Droid X is clearly the winner of any phone out there but its ui, sure the samsumg probably have more result once its rooted, thats with any smartphone, kinda worry's me some of these people even come ova to xda...
The Fascinate felt a whole lot snappier and smooth to me vs the DROID X/2. I'm having a tough time deciding which to go with.
I work in a vzw call center. Droid x's everywhere. After playing with my fascinate, 2 coworkers are returning their X's for the fascinate. Rarely have I seen a device this well done.
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I work in a vzw call center. Droid x's everywhere. After playing with my fascinate, 2 coworkers are returning their X's for the fascinate. Rarely have I seen a device this well done.
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+1, I too have returned my X for the Fascinate. My main gripe with the X was the hardware buttons (I just didn't like them personally). But after seeing the performance of the Fascinate I was sold (and it has haptic buttons .
Guys I need your opinions, I have had the EPIC since launch day, after to switching to sprint from a Nexus One on T-Mobile. Sure I like the keyboard, but find myself using it say 50 percent of the time and other 50 the onscreen. But what makes me want to return it for the Evo are these Reasons:
1. Android 2.2 – Already available on Evo
2. Custom Roms – Many already developed on Evo
3. HTC- I feel they push updates much faster, and work harder to polish there UI.
4. SAMSUNG- They already have gave us a Touch Wiz that is only a watered down version of the ones on the other Carriers, Cant change the icons on dock, No media or clock apps that the other Touch Wiz 3.0 phones have, and Finally UPDATES! They have announced 2.2 on there tablet and already has it working on it… Where is our 2.2?
5. CASES, putting a case on the Epic makes it look huge like a brick, and not very form fitting.
What’s your guys opinions? I mean I like the phone, im just so scared of it being left behind of the dust because Samsung wont fulfill there development promises, While HTC has a pretty good track record for moving updates fast.
I'm in EXACTLY the same boat.
Came from a Nexus on Tmo, to Sprint. Love the Epic dearly, but am still worried about it being supported by Samsung.
The Evo is a step down from the Epic to be honest, but a high powered device is nothing if the manufacturer doesn't continue to support it!
How are they not supporting it? They just did an update yesterday, and have already said Froyo IS coming. What more do you want?
The Evo is a step backwards as the Snapdragon CPU is slower, and the graphics are incredibly inferior to the PowerVR GPU inside the Epic.
I used to have an Evo, and when it first came out it had its own issues as well. I'd say you should stay on board at least until day 29, and then see how you feel about it.
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How are they not supporting it? They just did an update yesterday, and have already said Froyo IS coming. What more do you want?
The Evo is a step backwards as the Snapdragon CPU is slower, and the graphics are incredibly inferior to the PowerVR GPU inside the Epic.
I used to have an Evo, and when it first came out it had its own issues as well. I'd say you should stay on board at least until day 29, and then see how you feel about it.
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How the **** can Samsung and sprint release a phone that has a few major bugs:
1. After 24 hours (or less) the gps doesn't work unless you reboot (or use a program to flush data) the phone.
2. 3g uploads (99% of the country uses 3g) are capped at 150k
3. when you upload ANYTHING the phone studders like john the studderer on the howard stern show ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yBI8zdqLzw&feature=related )
I'm pretty pissed to be honest.
I came from a Evo. To tell you the truth, I prefer the Epic over the Evo. 30fps caps and a weak gpu. I couldn't even explain to you how bad it was, the Epic blows everything away in the Evo, besides the development of course.
Pros:
Evo development
Kickstand
Bigger screen? (I don't have a preference, but it's noticeably larger)
HTC Sense (I hate it, then love it.)
Works with any type of mic headset. <3
Cons:
In call sound is pretty low, I had to turn it all the way up and still couldn't hear other people well. (I had 2 Evo's, both were the same in call quality)
30 fps cap. It can be fixed with a kernel, still 30 fps cap is pretty low for such a great phone.
Gpu lags, games like N.o.v.a was playable, but not smooth as it is on the Epic.
The touch screen wasn't as accurate. Miss type a lot more on the Evo than the Epic.
No support for direct media playback. The epic does this flawlessly, I don't even have to convert videos.
The screen is washed out. The HTC Hero was noticeably more colorful.
Horrible wifi signal.
Not to bash on the Evo, I loved it, but it wasn't what I was looking for. If you enjoy a great development scene. I say go all in for it. It's a great phone. Though I left it for a better phone, Epic 4g.
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How are they not supporting it? They just did an update yesterday, and have already said Froyo IS coming. What more do you want?
The Evo is a step backwards as the Snapdragon CPU is slower, and the graphics are incredibly inferior to the PowerVR GPU inside the Epic.
I used to have an Evo, and when it first came out it had its own issues as well. I'd say you should stay on board at least until day 29, and then see how you feel about it.
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What more do i want? Since i had 2.2 on my nexus one in May, i want 2.2 on an epic. lol. And its the point, if they take this long for 2.2 now, will they even update it to the next version of android that Google will be updating q1 next year? And why the watered down Touch Wiz? Clock app and music player for example, have you seen the apps on Vibrant. We do not have touch wiz 3.0 its like 2.5ish. Your write about waiting tell day 29 though to have a strong decision. I probably just want to much to fast.
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I came from a Evo. To tell you the truth, I prefer the Epic over the Evo. 30fps caps and a weak gpu. I couldn't even explain to you how bad it was, the Epic blows everything away in the Evo, besides the development of course.
Pros:
Evo development
Kickstand
Bigger screen? (I don't have a preference, but it's noticeably larger)
HTC Sense (I hate it, then love it.)
Works with any type of mic headset. <3
Cons:
In call sound is pretty low, I had to turn it all the way up and still couldn't hear other people well. (I had 2 Evo's, both were the same in call quality)
30 fps cap. It can be fixed with a kernel, still 30 fps cap is pretty low for such a great phone.
Gpu lags, games like N.o.v.a was playable, but not smooth as it is on the Epic.
The touch screen wasn't as accurate. Miss type a lot more on the Evo than the Epic.
No support for direct media playback. The epic does this flawlessly, I don't even have to convert videos.
The screen is washed out. The HTC Hero was noticeably more colorful.
Not to bash on the Evo, I loved it, but it wasn't what I was looking for. If you enjoy a great development scene. I say go all in for it. It's a great phone. Though I left it for a better phone, Epic 4g.
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Thanks for this very strong opinion. It def helps the case for the epic.
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Guys I need your opinions, I have had the EPIC since launch day, after to switching to sprint from a Nexus One on T-Mobile. Sure I like the keyboard, but find myself using it say 50 percent of the time and other 50 the onscreen. But what makes me want to return it for the Evo are these Reasons:
1. Android 2.2 – Already available on Evo
2. Custom Roms – Many already developed on Evo
3. HTC- I feel they push updates much faster, and work harder to polish there UI.
4. SAMSUNG- They already have gave us a Touch Wiz that is only a watered down version of the ones on the other Carriers, Cant change the icons on dock, No media or clock apps that the other Touch Wiz 3.0 phones have, and Finally UPDATES! They have announced 2.2 on there tablet and already has it working on it… Where is our 2.2?
5. CASES, putting a case on the Epic makes it look huge like a brick, and not very form fitting.
What’s your guys opinions? I mean I like the phone, im just so scared of it being left behind of the dust because Samsung wont fulfill there development promises, While HTC has a pretty good track record for moving updates fast.
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Im in the same boat, although i havent officially left tmo yet. I did however return my epic 4G after 4 days and ordered an EVO, and im thinking of canceling that and just sticking with my HD2 and Nexus One. I just dont trust samsung and there update history. Yes they released the update yesterday but of course that was fast cause it generates money for them.
Besides the battery taking forever to charge, i really have no other issues with the phone. Its one of the best i ever owned, i just wish i had more confidence in samsung and i really hope they prove me wrong.
I will admit i will miss not having to convert movies for it, thats what i loved most about my N900.
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3. HTC- I feel they push updates much faster, and work harder to polish there UI.
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What?
I came from the HTC Hero. Ask any other Hero user how quickly HTC pushes out updates and how "polished" they are...
HTC doesn't do any better than any other company. The thing is, they have community support. The ONLY reason that the Hero was bearable was because of the dev community (which made the phone amazing).
Like several people have said, Samsung already put out an update for this phone (two, if you count the weird launch day update). They've promised 2.2 sometime this year (October was the last time frame I heard). The EVO didn't launch with 2.2 either, remember? The Nexus One is Google's baby and is going to get updates before any other phone. Every other phone has to have Froyo cleaned up for it.
Give Samsung a little bit of a chance. You know you'll regret it if you give up and the Epic gets 2.2 and blows everything else away.
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Guys I need your opinions, I have had the EPIC since launch day, after to switching to sprint from a Nexus One on T-Mobile. Sure I like the keyboard, but find myself using it say 50 percent of the time and other 50 the onscreen. But what makes me want to return it for the Evo are these Reasons:
1. Android 2.2 – Already available on Evo
Phone's only been out since August 31st
2. Custom Roms – Many already developed on Evo
My Epic feels snappier than an Evo on the best Cyanogen crack. This doesn't bother me one bit. Plus once again phone's only been out since August 31. ROMS are on the way
3. HTC- I feel they push updates much faster, and work harder to polish there UI.
I actually like TouchWiz and sideways scrolling, plus an update just came out for Epic
4. SAMSUNG- They already have gave us a Touch Wiz that is only a watered down version of the ones on the other Carriers, Cant change the icons on dock, No media or clock apps that the other Touch Wiz 3.0 phones have, and Finally UPDATES! They have announced 2.2 on there tablet and already has it working on it… Where is our 2.2?
Your 2.2 will be here when it gets here. "They have announced 2.2 on there tablet", and so what????? Did they ever say the Epic is NOT getting 2.2
5. CASES, putting a case on the Epic makes it look huge like a brick, and not very form fitting.
...and so is putting lipstick on a pig. The Epic has a slide out keyboard, which naturally adds to its girth. If you can't stand it like that in a case then go commando.
What’s your guys opinions? I mean I like the phone, im just so scared of it being left behind of the dust because Samsung wont fulfill there development promises, While HTC has a pretty good track record for moving updates fast.
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You buy a phone for the potential it has right now (and the Epic wins over the Evo performance wise, even on stock in a lot of areas), not what it may do nor not do eons from now. And besides 2.2 is set for the Epic. If you don't have the patience to wait for it then please take back the Epic and let someone else not be deprived of one in stock.
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What?
I came from the HTC Hero. Ask any other Hero user how quickly HTC pushes out updates and how "polished" they are...
HTC doesn't do any better than any other company. The thing is, they have community support. The ONLY reason that the Hero was bearable was because of the dev community (which made the phone amazing).
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I agree the community makes HTC phones great, and i think HTC gets that (or at least the point that they have a huge cult following of devs).
J3ff said:
How the **** can Samsung and sprint release a phone that has a few major bugs:
1. After 24 hours (or less) the gps doesn't work unless you reboot (or use a program to flush data) the phone.
2. 3g uploads (99% of the country uses 3g) are capped at 150k
3. when you upload ANYTHING the phone studders like john the studderer on the howard stern show ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yBI8zdqLzw&feature=related )
I'm pretty pissed to be honest.
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The DI07 update supposedly fixed the massive lag while uploading, at least in the gmail/email app.
I love the epic its the best phone i have ever had, but its a samsung. I hate the name samsung. HTC phones feel, look, and sound much more classier.
Keep the epic.
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Not for me. That and the ****ty radio are my two biggest gripes about the epic.
The evo has a lot of gripes. I had one since release.
1. Even with evo switch the fps is still inconsitant and the device feels laggy at times and thqts with 2.2. The epic on 2.1 is is already faster.
2. ****ty video and sub par camera software
3. Screen isn't as nice
The evo wins hands down on
1. Radio at least at this point is superior
2. Solid build as its not a slider
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I was hoping it would. However, take a picture, and upload it to anywhere (picasa, facebook, etc) it hasn't fixed it for me at all.
In all fairness, the Epic just came out on the 31 of August. I have both and love them both(the Evo is not activated at this time, strictly Wifi), but the Evo didn't get 2.2 until over 2 months sfter release...patience
I actually sold my evo and got the epic and I haven't looked back. Both phones are nice but just like some people recognizes the Epic's problems, one must also remember that when the Evo launched, it too had its share of problems...battery drainage being one them, screen seperation, screen tearing etc. The Evo also launched with 2.1.
It seems as though everybody want froyo and they want it now. I think you should just keep the epic and just wait it out for froyo. Because I have a feeling that once froyo hits our epics, everyone that left to run to the evo or some other phone will be having some big second thoughts.
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I actually sold my evo and got the epic and I haven't looked back. Both phones are nice but just like some people recognizes the Epic's problems, one must also remember that when the Evo launched, it too had its share of problems...battery drainage being one them, screen seperation, screen tearing etc. The Evo also launched with 2.1.
It seems as though everybody want froyo and they want it now. I think you should just keep the epic and just wait it out for froyo. Because I have a feeling that once froyo hits our epics, everyone that left to run to the evo or some other phone will be having some big second thoughts.
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One thing that I'm getting annoyed at is how it seems that it's ACCEPTABLE to release a phone with these issues.
All good points guys. I'm going to wait it out. This phonw is snapper than the nexus, and that will be the ame as epic. So it will pay off for me to hold on and wat for the development community to do what samsung probably will not. At least its not a moto phone right? We wouldn't be getting any updates tell we rioted on there building...
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You buy a phone for the potential it has right now (and the Epic wins over the Evo performance wise, even on stock in a lot of areas), not what it may do nor not do eons from now. And besides 2.2 is set for the Epic. If you don't have the patience to wait for it then please take back the Epic and let someone else not be deprived of one in stock.
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True that, well said +1
J3ff said:
How the **** can Samsung and sprint release a phone that has a few major bugs:
1. After 24 hours (or less) the gps doesn't work unless you reboot (or use a program to flush data) the phone.
2. 3g uploads (99% of the country uses 3g) are capped at 150k
3. when you upload ANYTHING the phone studders like john the studderer on the howard stern show ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yBI8zdqLzw&feature=related )
I'm pretty pissed to be honest.
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Nothing is perfect. If it were then everyone would buy the one perfect phone and there would be no competition. What do you want people to do, march on Sprint and Samsung and say. Samsung tear down this wall of ****ty product development. Or maybe have some common sense and look at the big picture. It is a cell phone, mind you a very expensive one, but a cell phone nonetheless. Look at the EVO, the screen is Capped at 30 FPS and it is just horrid, I understand you are pissed about all the cell phones and such, mostly the quality control. How did Apple miss the antenna miss-hap on the iPhone 4? Epic 4G's upload speeds are shoddy, at least this can be fixxed with a software update (hopefully!), and also the EVO's screen cap, they say they are looking into it. It seems you are out to get the world and just genuinly pissed at everyone and everything, so there will be no convincing you otherwise. But man, it can't be healthy to be so upset about something fairly arbitrary in life. And I understand your view on the GPS and Upload Speeds. They are unacceptable, and I will be making a phone call to Sprint AND Samsung because I to believe that we should be getting more for our buck, but I also believe these can fixxed and addressed accordingly. I have had an HTC Hero, I love that phone, but I also got it a year after its release so I didnt have any problems with it, I like HTC a lot and was going to buy an EVO but got sick of waiting. I think the wait times for those phones are just insane, then I saw the epic and I really like Samsung products so I picked up my Epic and love it. Because of the physical keyboard there is some give and it feels more cheap but I realize this is due to the fact that it needs to give (the keyboard cant be to tight is what I mean). Some say this is not acceptable, I realize it is needed. My point is that phones arent perfect, and I get irritated but not so upset as to swear and just be genuinly pissed.
All I have to say is stick in there and just have fun!
Hey guys,
I posted this in response to another forum post, but I wanted to get other people's opinions, as well:
Unfortunately, I am returning my Atrix tonight as well - day 27 of purchase. This is my first Android phone but I feel like I'm missing out on some of the best aspects of the XDA community and features of Android, in general. I like the Atrix, but not enough to keep it for two years on contract with most likely very meager updating by Motorola in the future. I also have some gripes about the hardware.
I consider this my introductory Android experience and absolutely love the OS. I love it so much, that I want to be able to experience more of it!
Since I sold my iPhone 4 (for a nice profit!), I will be using an old school Razr until something of interest comes along. The Inspire does not seem to warrant the use of my upgrade eligibility.
Also debating jumping ship altogether from AT&T. This whole HSPA thing, while not a deal breaker, certainly left a very bitter taste in my mouth. I have recently found AT&T store reps to be uninformed and fairly rude, especially on the phone. I have been a loyal customer since 2000.
I hope that the current locking trend we've seen from HTC and Motorola is not a sure sign of the future of Android. One of the main reasons I left my iPhone behind was because I enjoy tinkering with my phone a lot, and the Android OS is so well suited for it!
It seems like developer support is a key factor in ensuring the longevity of a device, far after the hardware company has moved on. I don't like to buy phones continuously off contract and I would like to ensure that my phone stays developmentally relevant for the duration off my contract.
This may not be the proper forum for this response, but I just felt the need to vent and am interested in hearing what you guys have to say. Not trying to bad-mouth the Atrix for those who like it, it's just not quite the Android experience I hoped for.
See you guys around XDA!!!
I'll second that
About the only thing the Atrix has going for it is the dual-core Tegra2. (being rant) Other than that, it's a piece of junk compared to cheaper phones, and what software even uses the dual-core feature? Faster browsing my a**! My iPhone 3gs had smoother and faster browsing! The screen sucks--yeah, it's got qHD, but with zig-zagged subpixels and a crappy response time, not to mention the darkest it gets is too bright and the brightest it gets is too dark. Bugs everywhere, if I leave the phone on for a day I stop getting text messages or data. I've never been able to get a google voice voicemail to play on my phone. I can't decline an update, I've been keeping the WiFi off for the last few days just to avoid it. I agree totally that Android is a nice OS, but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for Motorola to give me something better than 2.2. (end rant)
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About the only thing the Atrix has going for it is the dual-core Tegra2. (being rant) Other than that, it's a piece of junk compared to cheaper phones, and what software even uses the dual-core feature? Faster browsing my a**! My iPhone 3gs had smoother and faster browsing! The screen sucks--yeah, it's got qHD, but with zig-zagged subpixels and a crappy response time, not to mention the darkest it gets is too bright and the brightest it gets is too dark. Bugs everywhere, if I leave the phone on for a day I stop getting text messages or data. I've never been able to get a google voice voicemail to play on my phone. I can't decline an update, I've been keeping the WiFi off for the last few days just to avoid it. I agree totally that Android is a nice OS, but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for Motorola to give me something better than 2.2. (end rant)
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I can't really agree with any of that.....and I'm guessing you haven't heard the leak that the 2.3 update is coming very soon?
Even one star is generous.
Clienterror said:
I can't really agree with any of that.....and I'm guessing you haven't heard the leak that the 2.3 update is coming very soon?
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I haven't had any of those issues. In my experience, it's a very stable phone. Which leak are you referring to? The DroidX ROM containing the At&t mention?
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I can't...
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We know, we know.
Clienterror said:
I can't really agree with any of that.....and I'm guessing you haven't heard the leak that the 2.3 update is coming very soon?
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How dare you make me defend my statements! ;-) So, regarding the browsing, I'm sure you've noticed that when you scroll with several images on the page the images lag begind the text. As far as loading is concerned, it's hard for me to say that it's not my network conditions, but my 3gs definitely seemed faster. After a little bit of research, I've found that other people complained of this too, but apparently you can change flash to "on-demand" to make general browsing lag-free (haven't confirmed this personally)
As far as the zig-zagged subpixels are concerned, it's a well known fact that Motorola used a pentile pixel matrix to cut costs. It's harder to tell with black on white, but look at any blue hyperlink on a white background, especially when zoomed out (image originally referenced from here).
The display response time has been noticed by others. I couldn't find any official specs to confirm this, but if I'm right that it's a problem then the lack of published response time specs wouldn't be surprising.
Data dropping out is also a well known issue. There's also a post on Motorola's support forum.
The brightness issue is subjective, but I've read a few places that the screen doesn't do to well in daylight. I'm not going to bother referencing this or my google voice problem, their just straws on the camel's back.
Finally, I'm not going to use some rumor that 2.3 is coming soon (how soon?) to push me past my 30-day return limit. Too arbitrary.
So, maybe you don't agree with everything I say, but I hope I just made it really hard for you to say you don't agree with anything I say while keeping a straight face
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Hey guys,
I posted this in response to another forum post, but I wanted to get other people's opinions, as well:
Unfortunately, I am returning my Atrix tonight as well - day 27 of purchase. This is my first Android phone but I feel like I'm missing out on some of the best aspects of the XDA community and features of Android, in general. I like the Atrix, but not enough to keep it for two years on contract with most likely very meager updating by Motorola in the future. I also have some gripes about the hardware.
I consider this my introductory Android experience and absolutely love the OS. I love it so much, that I want to be able to experience more of it!
Since I sold my iPhone 4 (for a nice profit!), I will be using an old school Razr until something of interest comes along. The Inspire does not seem to warrant the use of my upgrade eligibility.
Also debating jumping ship altogether from AT&T. This whole HSPA thing, while not a deal breaker, certainly left a very bitter taste in my mouth. I have recently found AT&T store reps to be uninformed and fairly rude, especially on the phone. I have been a loyal customer since 2000.
I hope that the current locking trend we've seen from HTC and Motorola is not a sure sign of the future of Android. One of the main reasons I left my iPhone behind was because I enjoy tinkering with my phone a lot, and the Android OS is so well suited for it!
It seems like developer support is a key factor in ensuring the longevity of a device, far after the hardware company has moved on. I don't like to buy phones continuously off contract and I would like to ensure that my phone stays developmentally relevant for the duration off my contract.
This may not be the proper forum for this response, but I just felt the need to vent and am interested in hearing what you guys have to say. Not trying to bad-mouth the Atrix for those who like it, it's just not quite the Android experience I hoped for.
See you guys around XDA!!!
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I am actually a little unclear with what issues you have with the phone, most of this post just seems like you talking about liking the OS but not liking the AT&T service, HTC and motorola. You said very little about the phone itself.
to me it sounds like the best thing you should do is indeed jump ship from AT&T and go to verizon or something. As far as the "locking trend" from motorola and HTC.. i am assuming you are talking about the restrictions on sideloading and such. I may be wrong but i feel like this is an AT&T issue not motorola. Other providers that have HTC and Motorola dont seem to have as much issue (please correct me if i am wrong, i do not have too much experience with other providers) So dont worry this is not a sign of the future of android.
Sorry to hear you are not keeping the atrix, i have not had mine as long as you have but i love mine so far. Thanks for the input tho
I wasnt trying to write a post about my specific gripes with the Atrix, moreso I was trying to explain what I feel like I may be missing out on, with regards to Android.
I like HTC a lot, actually.
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I gotcha. Didn't mean to change the mood of your thread, just felt like ranting since I wish I could tell myself to keep the Atrix. I'm going to return my Atrix and hold out for six months at least to see what else comes out. I'm hoping the Galaxy S II will hit AT&T, but I am a bit jealous of my friend who gets 5mb+ on his Verizon iPhone4.
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I wasnt trying to write a post about my specific gripes with the Atrix, moreso I was trying to explain what I feel like I may be missing out on, with regards to Android.
I like HTC a lot, actually.
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Opera 11.
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I think threads like this should be moderated and closed.
To complain about little things like a bit of browser lag, etc - pretty much anything not related to the Atrix itself, is like WTF? Take it up with your carrier, don't blame the handset.
Who really cares if you want to take your Atrix back. Just do it, no need to tell the world about it..
For the record, I've had my Bell Canada Atrix now for a week, and I can't fault it. The last 3 phones I've owned have been HTC Desire HD, iPhone 4 and Nexus S - and other than the Nexus S's gorgeous SAMOLED screen, the Atrix kicks all of others hands down.
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I think threads like this should be moderated and closed.
To complain about little things like a bit of browser lag, etc - pretty much anything not related to the Atrix itself, is like WTF? Take it up with your carrier, don't blame the handset.
Who really cares if you want to take your Atrix back. Just do it, no need to tell the world about it..
For the record, I've had my Bell Canada Atrix now for a week, and I can't fault it. The last 3 phones I've owned have been HTC Desire HD, iPhone 4 and Nexus S - and other than the Nexus S's gorgeous SAMOLED screen, the Atrix kicks all of others hands down.
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Love my atrix too but... its a public forum they could ***** all they want
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Atrix is not what I expected either I had a better time when im using my captivate
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I love my captivate the Super AMOLED is amazing! but i feel like that is the only thing that beats the Atrix. Oh and the Captivate has a much better camera software.. but i shoot a DSLRs so it doesnt bother me.
Im thinking if AT&T gets the Galaxy S II, i might have to switch just cuz the Super AMOLED is AMAZING.
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Love my atrix too but... its a public forum they could ***** all they want
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I will also return 'cause its superlocked bootloader, can't be overclocked to thousands Ghz, can't install 3 roms one on top of each other and I can see the pixels of that pentile screen with my left eye. I just now realize that I don't really need a phone :-o
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i will also return 'cause its superlocked bootloader, can't be overclocked to thousands ghz, can't install 3 roms one on top of each other and i can see the pixels of that pentile screen with my left eye. I just now realize that i don't really need a phone :-o
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bwahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahha!!!
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I will also return 'cause its superlocked bootloader, can't be overclocked to thousands Ghz, can't install 3 roms one on top of each other and I can see the pixels of that pentile screen with my left eye. I just now realize that I don't really need a phone :-o
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oh come on, that isn't fair!
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well there is a lot of thread people dont like and so on. i dont like locked bootloader perhaps its an amazing phone fast and the screen its weird because you can see pixels on the screen (why???) perhaps the bright under de sun on clarity i like more than my nexus one, webtop on hdmi its cool, the multimedia HD its pretty nice too,im returning (maybe) but to get another since i guess have a bad battery seems it dont last too mucho or maybe im so heavy user lol
well anyways good luck next device.
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OMG, I can't believe little things ever matter! Seriously, the purpose of a forum is for discussion, and this one seems very one sided--everyone who likes their Atrix is just making smartass comments (except zen kun, thanks for contributing to the discussion).
If you don't like open discussion, why don't you move to China?
Got it a few hours ago. On paper, the specs but don't seem like a huge upgrade, but when you actually use it, you can tell it is.
It's fast. No hiccups, lag, or anything. You may say, "my dinc doesn't have any lag or slowdown either," but when you mess with a dinc 2 you will see what I mean. Screen is gorgeous. Phone feels excellent. Speaker is less "tinny" than the original.
I still need to mess with a ton of other stuff, but if you have any questions, let me know.
I'm most concerned with if/when it gets rooted. And how many dev's it picks up. Looks like quite a few of them already went to the Thunderbolt. I'm not due for an upgrade until July 2012 anyway, so when that date comes, who knows what will be out, but I will probably go with whatever is already rooted, and has the most development.
I had one a few days ago, and honestly, the "faster" tihng is really overblown. A menu screen may pop up a microsecond faster, but it wasn;t any more useable or anything. And the glare on that screen could cut glass.
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I'm most concerned with if/when it gets rooted. And how many dev's it picks up. Looks like quite a few of them already went to the Thunderbolt. I'm not due for an upgrade until July 2012 anyway, so when that date comes, who knows what will be out, but I will probably go with whatever is already rooted, and has the most development.
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Definitely agree with this, wonder what will be hot in development next summer.
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Engadget just gave the Galaxy S II a 9/10. And they hate android. It looks really nice - if it comes out on Verizon, I will have to think really hard about saying no...
I don't know what my next phone will be. I can't upgrade until March but I know I want an LTE phone and front facing camera and the dinc 2 only has one of my wants.
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I got one this morning and I'm liking it. I needed a world phone so it was a no-brainer for me. I like the screen size as compared to my dinc1. It's a good compromise with having a bigger screen without being one of the 4.3" phones that I thought were too big.
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Engadget just gave the Galaxy S II a 9/10. And they hate android. It looks really nice - if it comes out on Verizon, I will have to think really hard about saying no...
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I'm comming from a fascinate unless they fix their updating process and the file system don't buy any samsung phone...
Yea my upgrade isn't up until December I tried to talk my talk today, but it didn't get me anywhere.
What Sense version is it? What kernel? Is it drm protected so it can do netflix? I noticed on the vzw website it has the same processor as the Thunderbolt. So don't know if it would be. Also noticed it doesn't have a trackball or optical joystick. Thats gonna suck.
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What Sense version is it? What kernel? Is it drm protected so it can do netflix? I noticed on the vzw website it has the same processor as the Thunderbolt. So don't know if it would be. Also noticed it doesn't have a trackball or optical joystick. Thats gonna suck.
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I read somewhere that it's Sense 2.0. The kernel is 2.6.35.9. Don't know about drm.
As for the trackball/optical, i'm glad it doesn't have it. I never used it on my dinc1.
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I read somewhere that it's Sense 2.0. The kernel is 2.6.35.9. Don't know about drm.
As for the trackball/optical, i'm glad it doesn't have it. I never used it on my dinc1.
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Sense is version 2.00.0000.339629
Guess I'll have to play with one to check out the glare thing. DI2 is just the size I was looking for, but no dual core and no LTE, made me actually consider waiting for the GS2..... or better.
I believe its sense 2.1 and I personally like the optical joystick as well.
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All questions answered here:
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=phoneFirst&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=5641&deviceCategoryId=1
Im playin with one now at verizon and neither it or the tbolt are a big enough upgrade over the dinc for me. Tbolt maybe, dinc 2, no way. Im runnin optimized z and my phone is way smoother. Inc2 screen only slightly bigger, ive got a z camera that is the same. Dinc2 is already outdated IMO.
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I'm most concerned with if/when it gets rooted. And how many dev's it picks up. Looks like quite a few of them already went to the Thunderbolt...
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That's a big concern for me. I just picked up the DInc2 yesterday....at retail price. Why? Both my wife and I are deaf and we live in what you would call a rather remote area, but at least have VZW tower nearby. A 4G/LTE phone is overkill when one lives nearly 2 hours to the first traffic light. So, on paper, as a 3G phone with video chat capability at a lower price then the LTE stuff, the DInc2 really fits the bill by giving me video chat so my wife and I can sign to each other when in different locations. That's a big plus.
BUT... as I scout all the normal forums I've used for my Droid 1, Droid X and Nook, the DInc2 looks like a real sleeper in terms of dev interest. This is my first HTC phone and even though the Motorola Droid has that %*&$#@ 'locked' bootloader, there's still a lot of options as well as the leaked restore files. I don't really want to root a phone until the point where there's some solid dev work as well as the ability to restore after screwing something up.
So, since like I mentioned, we're nearly 2 hours to the first traffic light and the nearest VZW store is just beyond that, I may bring it back on Tuesday when we're in the area and wait for the next suitable phone that has video chat capabilities. I've always used VZW's one-year contract and now that this option has bit the dust, I don't want to sign a two-year extension at the end of the year unless its for a phone that well-supported by devs AND has decent battery life.
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That's a big concern for me. I just picked up the DInc2 yesterday....at retail price. Why? Both my wife and I are deaf and we live in what you would call a rather remote area, but at least have VZW tower nearby. A 4G/LTE phone is overkill when one lives nearly 2 hours to the first traffic light. So, on paper, as a 3G phone with video chat capability at a lower price then the LTE stuff, the DInc2 really fits the bill by giving me video chat so my wife and I can sign to each other when in different locations. That's a big plus.
BUT... as I scout all the normal forums I've used for my Droid 1, Droid X and Nook, the DInc2 looks like a real sleeper in terms of dev interest. This is my first HTC phone and even though the Motorola Droid has that %*&$#@ 'locked' bootloader, there's still a lot of options as well as the leaked restore files. I don't really want to root a phone until the point where there's some solid dev work as well as the ability to restore after screwing something up.
So, since like I mentioned, we're nearly 2 hours to the first traffic light and the nearest VZW store is just beyond that, I may bring it back on Tuesday when we're in the area and wait for the next suitable phone that has video chat capabilities. I've always used VZW's one-year contract and now that this option has bit the dust, I don't want to sign a two-year extension at the end of the year unless its for a phone that well-supported by devs AND has decent battery life.
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It takes a while for the devs to ramp up on a phone. It was a couple of weeks or more before the original DI was cracked and then it took even more time to get ROMs up to speed. Every phone is different and it just takes time. The DI2 was just released YESTERDAY. Your expectations might be just a little high.
...just sayin'.
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It takes a while for the devs to ramp up on a phone. ...
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Yeah, I do understand that. At the same time, I've been seeing devs flock away from other phones as they get fascinated with latest 4G/LTE, tablet, dual-core, etc. So, in that respect, I'd guess the DInc2 would gotten more attention had it been released early Winter.
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It takes a while for the devs to ramp up on a phone. It was a couple of weeks or more before the original DI was cracked and then it took even more time to get ROMs up to speed. Every phone is different and it just takes time. The DI2 was just released YESTERDAY. Your expectations might be just a little high.
...just sayin'.
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Inc S (Same phone) was released months ago...just sayin