hi everyone, is this possible to use a droid bionic on a different network other than verzion?
thank you
It is technically possible on CDMA 1x networks, though it would be very difficult in actuality.
Say you wanna use it on Sprint. You'd have to flash a Sprint PRL, which is relatively easy. The hard part is that your Bionic's ESN number (the serial number that uniquely identifies the phone) would need to be registered in Sprint's database. They, however, won't just do that. You'd need to do some major social engineering to make it happen.
You could, instead of getting the ESN registered in their database, change the Bionic's ESN to that of a different Sprint phone. That, however is both difficult and illegal, not to mention that even if you do manage to change the ESN, it still might not work right. Your best bet is to stick with Verizon or buy a phone from a different provider.
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can this be done.. i live in a country that doesn't have that phone and i was thinking of buying it from the US through Sprint.. but will i be able to unlock it and use it on my country?? does it support SIM or not?
Why not use a HTC-HERMES
You would be better off getting a HTC-HERMES based phone. most of the US phones that are EVDO-based can't be unlocked to my knowledge. The HTC TyTN 3G Phone is better every which way than the PPC6700. I've demo'ed both units and I really like the new Hermes over the 6700. Not to mention that sprint is the one of the *worse* US celluar companies out there
Thx
-cosmic
In a conversation with a verizon rep a few months ago, I learned that, while not advertised, it is technically possible to activate sprint phones on the verizon network. they would need the MSL (master subsidy lock) code and a second unlock code. The MSL is needed to program the phone with the phone number itself. The second code is used for deeper device programming so that it would work on other networks. keep in mind that the rep said that it is technically possible and could not point to actual instances where it had been done.
on a side note...I think that sprint uses only one frequency mode, while say...verizon uses two frequency modes (but the one sprint uses is the same one verizon uses for voice and data on evdo phones).
my understanding is that another carrier will have to add the ESN of the sprint phone to the ESN block of their phones, which is something that may be difficult to do...you would probably have to find some kind, knowledgeable rep to do this for you.
No Verizon
I'm using verizon wireless now. Before using verizon, Please read the following:
* Not only does Verizon limit the type of "unlimited" use, it imposes a quota on "unlimited" use, and terminates customers who exceed it. According to the Washington Post.[6], Broadband Reports[7], tech columnist Robert X. Cringely, many wireless industry "insider" news sites[8],[9], and countless blogs[10]; Verizon advertises "unlimited" broadand service but automatically terminates anyone using more than 5G/month (166M/day), no matter what they use the service for. This is a quota of about 15 minutes of actual data transmission time... for an "unlimited" use account. A PBS investigator monitored his bandwidth during normal use and discovered it to be 184M/day[11]. .
Taken from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_Wireless
This is very tue of verizon. Does anyone know if this is gonna change anytime soon?
You can get the MSL (unlock) code from the Apache by using Bitpim. Check this post:
http://ppc6700users.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1640&start=15
It worked for me on a Qwest phone. Sprint still wouldn't activate it for me though.
no SIM but you can now change ur ESN see here.
~Mike
after my post above, I tried a few things...
here's what you would need to do :
change your esn (you will need your msl) to an esn that is in the block of the target carrier (hint, buy a cheap or give-a-way) change your esn, make sure that you calculate a checksum (there are instructions and programs all over the internet on how to change your esn). program your phone with your number: ##<your msl here># and type in your 10-digit phone number. don't worry about the dec or hex, just change the esn and program your number.
From Assoicated Press - Spring Nextel Agrees to Unlock Phones
I think its going to get a little bit easier, check this out:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jPBoupMPJ6Tl4jgQ5aG0f8-R9KEgD8SH61A80
I'll start a new thread to make sure it gets seen
You CAN NOT use a CDMA phone on a GSM network. They are completely different signals. You can unlock a Sprint phone and force it onto Verizon. You can't force a Verizon phone onto Sprint, unless you know someone inside that doesn't mind losing their job.
Again, CDMA phones ONLY work on CDMA networks such as Verizon or Sprint.
Hi All,
I was wondering if I could use my unlocked 8525 with Verizon's net work if I switched to them? I'm not sure about compatability of the phone with Verizon's voice and data services and was wondering if anyone knew.
Thanks
I dont think so. Att and verizon use two different technologies. Att uses GSM and Verizon uses CDMA. Im almost certain tho a phone that is based on GSM cannot be used on a CDMA network. The phone will work on TMobile or USCellular. They use a GSM based technology. Verizon Sprint and Nextel all use CDMA. If i am wrong and you can use the GSM based phone with Verizon CDMA then someone please correct me. But i am pretty certain you cannot.
OK,thanks. Thats what I thought
Verizon does not have sim cards, is that correct?
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Verizon does not have sim cards, is that correct?
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Not that I've ever seen.
I know sprint phones have sim card slots, but they are not used, at least in the USA.
My guess is that CDMA phones can be used in the same way as GSM phones as far as switching sims to use different carriers, but the CDMA carriers in the 'states don't use that functionality (probably to keep a tighter grip on their sucke....customers and wring more money from them through phone sales/upgrades and extra services, like a data service to put on extra ring tones )
I know that I don't know much about these phones, but what of the setting inside of Settings/Personal/Phone/Band where you can select WCDMA as your network type? I've got an 8525 and it shows as an option, but I just don't know if anyone's tried it before.
CDMA and GSM phones are totally different. The only SIM based verizon phone that Ive seen its the Blackberry 8300 its world edition soo it can bu used through a cdma and also a GSM carrier. I would be interested if anyone knows how to say make a sprint phone capable of being on verizons network. That would be something different.
actually a sprint phone is capable of being used on verison network any cdma phone is. in short the way cdma works the subscriber info is assigned to the phone's esn by the carrier so only the carrier can change your phone with gsm the sim (Subscriber Identity Module) holds the subscriber info and it is assigned to a sim card id not a esn (electronic serial number) so all you have to do to get a sprint phone to work for verizon is get verizon to let it (GOOD LUCK WITH THAT) you would have better luck the other way around verizon is the pickiest co out there when it comes to network integrity and security issues they seem to think that letting people use any phone they want could somehow hurt their network
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I know that I don't know much about these phones, but what of the setting inside of Settings/Personal/Phone/Band where you can select WCDMA as your network type? I've got an 8525 and it shows as an option, but I just don't know if anyone's tried it before.
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WCDMA is 3G. 3G on GSM systems is essentially a CDMA standard, but not the same CDMA as Verizon uses. It is not compatible.
-Jay
Does anyone know if an unlocked 8525 will work on Verizons network? I've been using it on Alltel and Verizon bought them out now they want me to get a new phone. Sure hate to give this one up.
If the sim unlock has been run the there should be no reason why not...
Mind you I'm in Australia...
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CDMA vs GSM
I went back and forth on this one. (and Welcome!!!!!)
Verizon here in the states is a CDMA (EVDO) system that doesn't use sim cards, GSM systems does. This relates to how your phone communicates on the network. Now willl a GSM phone work on a CDMA network, i think that it will. The SIM card in GSM phones supply the network with your PIM to access the network, it is tied entirely to the network not the phone. CDMA requires action from the carrier, and your access to the network is tied to phone not the network. You deactivate one phone first, then activate the second. You'll probably need to supply your IMEI to verizon and they'll load your access. Just a guess though, cause I've been with cingular/at&t since i carried around backpack sized mobile phones.
Does anyone know better?
As far as I know of, no. I don't believe it has a radio for the CDMA. Although you state you have used it on Alltel which I thought was CDMA...
What reason did they give for wanting you to get a new phone?
I manged to buy an htc evo 4g from the us. Ofcourse I didin't know the phone was a sim free phone!=) Aniway..
Norway have all the net htc evo 4g needs to work accept 4g..
cdma,edge,turbo 3g,3g...(3gs) cdma 200 1rtt...
The problem is the sim card..but I refuse to think there isint't one guy here at the xda that cant mix something up!
Some how possible to like use a sim card reader and install the sim card in the phone some how..
after some reseach i understood the the sim card holds information that connect the phone to its operator as for me (telenor norway) so its possible to ring, send sms and mms.
so teoretlic it has to bee possible at least i hope..
really hope for some positive answer
Just to let you know, for CDMA it's not a SIM card, it's a RIM card.
Anyway I think let this be a lesson to you that CDMA phones sold in the States are NOT RIM-replaceable. Only a few countries in the world that will let you do that.
Your best bet? Well, if you know anybody that works for your CDMA provider, he/she maybe able to manually add the ESN into their network and... well, it's just way too much hassle. AAA Keys, provisioning and such...
Sadly I don't think it'll work in Norway. I've seen ppl made the Evo to work for China Unicom (Only CDMA provider there) with a LOT, I mean A LOT of work just to get the 1xRTT functions such as voice calls and such to work. No data... YET because they haven't figured a way out to change the AAA key.
As for 4G/WiMax? Well, not going to happen unless your country decided to use that technology. Most likely LTE will be used instead of WiMax, knowing rest of the Europe relies on GSM systems more than CDMA.
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Telenor norway provide cdma so what you are sayng is that this is possible for the operator to mix som up(even thou it is to muchtrouble..).. but then again there would bee problem for htc evo 4g because its not rim card replaceble?
this vpn thing in the phone.. what is that for? is that for the wimax only?
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Telenor norway provide cdma so what you are sayng is that this is possible for the operator to mix som up(even thou it is to muchtrouble..).. but then again there would bee problem for htc evo 4g because its not rim card replaceble?
this vpn thing in the phone.. what is that for? is that for the wimax only?
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Well it's not, not replaceable per se, it's part of the phone. See in other countries where using RIM on CDMA phone is practiced, the ESN is part of the RIM card. Just like MSID on the SIM card for GSM (correct me if I'm wrong). Imagine it's a GSM phone but the SIM card is permanently part of it.
So what you have to do is ask your provide to ADD your phone's ESN onto their network so it can be used onto the system. However that only solves the 1xRTT (voice and text), in terms of data (EvDO), it'll be harder due to the AAA key and such. Your provider is the one that makes the final decision.
As for 4G/WiMax? Well I don't think there is any WiMax network rolled out in your country. Even if there are, it'll need further tinkering due to preset configuration in the phone's WiMax part.
VPN has nothing to do with WiMax. VPN is an application and WiMax is a protocol.
Anyway good luck trying to adding your Evo to your provider! It won't be easy but it's do-able.
hmm okay you sound like a really smart guy!
so for the phone to wokr I need the esn number and what more?
if you could just list what I need in that type of thing, if you understand me right
and maybe how I could find those thing. like how can I find the esn number in the phone.. I google it. I saw that its illegal to change the esn number so therefor it really hard to find a way to see it. but since Iam not gonna change annything + my htc evo 4g isent locked to any operator I guess i can do what ever i want?
thank you for responding I find your answers very helpfull!
imei and imsi
now I found something interesting that I wonder if it will work
I have a htc hero with a si card in it. And there I can see the imei number.
the htc evo 4g has a IMSI number.. Both looks the samme to me couldn't I just change IMSI number on the htc evo 4g with the IMEI number That it shows in my htc hero?
and then ofcourse add the esn number to my operator network.. wouldint everything works just fine then?
I have a question about how GSM and CDMA radios work. I have an HTC Merge from USCC (I live in Vermont, USA). They use CDMA and leave the SIM unlocked for prepaid SIM cards. I travel to Alberta, Canada on a regular basis and have access to a post-paid account on Bell Mobility (GSM). I would like to figure out if it is possible to set up my phone to work on both lines at the same time, without having to switch back and forth to check for incoming calls and texts.
Is such a setup possible?
If it is, does anyone know how I would go about getting it set up (perhaps a different thread for the answer to this part)?
On a CDMA phone, where is the carrier information stored (phone number, PRL, etc.)?
The phone is currently rooted, S-OFF, SuperCID, SIM Unlocked, running 2fastrom's USCC Gingerbread ROM.
Radio version is 1.08.00.0804
I am posting this here because I consider it to be first of all a question of whether it is possible to use both systems at the same time, regardless of the phone itself. I have added the phone info in case those who may know the answer need it. If it needs to be moved, I have no problem with that.
Thanks for your time and consideration.
All the best,
Reuben
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most phones do not support both cdma and gsm
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I know the iPhone 4s can use both but it has two separate antennas to accomplish this. I think it comes down to hardware.
Isn't Verizon coming up with some type of solution with VMWare for this? Where you could have two numbers active at the same time, one of them being a business number that was running in VMWare?
Yes, it is partly a matter of hardware - the Merge is set up for both systems. Still not sure if it can "listen" for two different numbers at once. Also curious about whether the phone needs to be listening to both bands at the same time if one number is CDMA based and the other is SIM/GSM based.
Verizon's solution sounds interesting - not sure it is enough to make me switch, particularly if both numbers have to be on their network.
Yes but only if you are not Verizon.
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/247646/lg_verizon_and_vmware_demo_virtual_work_phone.html
Currently Telefonica will support 2 simultaneous numbers due to a dual-sim. I really can't wait until entire networks start switching to an all IP based system. This would allow a much more flexible system then the NAM currently used.
Isn't Verizon coming up with some type of solution with VMWare for this? Where you could have two numbers active at the same time, one of them being a business number that was running in VMWare?
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Dual sim
It will eventually coming , we may see this type of services in near future once iphone will start shipping with GSM and CDMA unlocked version.
No its not doable at the same time