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[Q] Is the Nook the best choice for me?

Hey all I'm in the tablet market with about $300.. I'm trying to make sure the NC is the best choice for me before I go buy one.
I want to play Droid games, watch movies, read books and get good support for my device.
Is there any other tablets in my price range I should be considering other than the NC?
Also can a new NC be rooted and booted right off the showroom floor purchased new?
Thanks for the replies!

Well, yes, there are other tablets in the 250-350 range. Is your 300 a hard number? I flexed it up and down by 50 dollars.
NC can be rooted fairly quickly. I actually looked online here for a few days before I bought mine and knew what to do off the bat. I knew to buy a couple 4 gb disks, what I didn't realize is I needed sandisk branded ones.
So for what you're going to be doing get some sandisk 4 gb discs, prob 2, and get a larger one or two (16 or 32) for a alternate boot for cm7, sandisk of course.

Phatdawg said:
Well, yes, there are other tablets in the 250-350 range. Is your 300 a hard number? I flexed it up and down by 50 dollars.
NC can be rooted fairly quickly. I actually looked online here for a few days before I bought mine and knew what to do off the bat. I knew to buy a couple 4 gb disks, what I didn't realize is I needed sandisk branded ones.
So for what you're going to be doing get some sandisk 4 gb discs, prob 2, and get a larger one or two (16 or 32) for a alternate boot for cm7, sandisk of course.
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So in your opinion is there an easier device to use thats as supported? My $300 range isn't really a hard number.. I'd love a Transformer - but thats over doing it.
I've considered the Viewsonic Gtab cause a friend has one.. but not sure at this point which road to travel.

Easier to use?
I mean, if we're talking out of the box. Nook is the worst tablet out there because the e-reader and functionality sucks.
After getting CM7, it's pretty nice but that takes about an hour to do.

Once you root the Nook and put CM on it, it becomes golden.

Nook Color Gaming
There's gaming for you. For what you are looking for, you can't go wrong with the NC. It just depends on if you are willing to take the time to optimize it.
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Granted that reminds me of the imei problem with nooks. I guess that's something else to consider. Re: gameloft stuff and a few other programs here and there.

,I agree with iammarino...the nookcolor is pretty sweet once you root it. Cm7... if u want to watch movies I have found the easiest and nicest way is to install Netflix...

Phatdawg said:
Granted that reminds me of the imei problem with nooks. I guess that's something else to consider. Re: gameloft stuff and a few other programs here and there.
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But with my IMEI Generator program... that becomes nothing to worry about.

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But with my IMEI Generator program... that becomes nothing to worry about.
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true and there are work arounds about other issues like setting model to htc/vision, probably could do htc/flyer and be a bit more accurate with another 7 inch table in regards to market.

talk2nate said:
Hey all I'm in the tablet market with about $300.. I'm trying to make sure the NC is the best choice for me before I go buy one.
I want to play Droid games, watch movies, read books and get good support for my device.
Is there any other tablets in my price range I should be considering other than the NC?
Also can a new NC be rooted and booted right off the showroom floor purchased new?
Thanks for the replies!
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I love my NC. I'm running CM7 off an SD card, and I've used Dizzy's IMEI program so now I have that working too. There are a number of things you can do to make the NC experience very fulfilling. And at 250 new, ~200 refurb, that leaves you a bunch of extra dollars for playing and extra kit (sdcards, case, etc.)
Having said that though, it really depends on your personality and the amount of time you have to tweak the NC to fully bring out it's capabilities. You can now get a refurb Samsung Galaxy Tab (carrier version, not Wifi-only one) within your budget and have vendor supported Gingerbread out of the box, IMEI is solved due to being a carrier edition, slightly better stock hardware without needing to overclock, camera and GPS.
If I had to do it all over again, I would personally still pick the NC simply because I have the time and inclination to play and tweak. But do you?

Are 16GB enough for you?

I'd buy a Samsung Note 2014 but in my country only 16GB is available (like many others european countries)...
Do you recommend this tablet to me also with its memory size? How much memory does it have on out of the box?
I'm a little scared about apps I could install on it.. Because also if it has microSD i know it's not possibile to install apps on microsd.. :crying:

mouse100 said:
I'd buy a Samsung Note 2014 but in my country only 16GB is available (like many others european countries)...
Do you recommend this tablet to me also with its memory size? How much memory does it have on out of the box?
I'm a little scared about apps I could install on it.. Because also if it has microSD i know it's not possibile to install apps on microsd.. :crying:
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Check out this thread. Its got what you wanted to know
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2516970

mouse100 said:
I'd buy a Samsung Note 2014 but in my country only 16GB is available (like many others european countries)...
Do you recommend this tablet to me also with its memory size? How much memory does it have on out of the box?
I'm a little scared about apps I could install on it.. Because also if it has microSD i know it's not possibile to install apps on microsd.. :crying:
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I only had the 16gb original Note10.1, and I never had any problems with space, as I installed everything that wasnt an app onto a 64gb external SD Card.
And so I didnt think twice about getting the 16gb Note10.1(2014), cos I knew I'd end up using the same apps, and the same SD Card in fact lol.
By the way, if you're thinking of rooting, you might as well just get the 16gb one because:
1) You can install apps onto the external SD Card then anyway (least you can on other devices, I assume it would work on this one too)
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2) At the moment the knox thing means you get no warranty, so you might as well go for the cheapest device just in case.
If you arent rooting (I'm not at the moment, until knox is sorted out) then it depends on how many apps you plan to install. I only use my tablet for drawing, writing, and reading, and browsing, and these apps dont take up huge amounts of space (the biggest space is taken up by my sketchbook pro picture files), everything else (books, comics, videos) are all on external storage.
Games are your only issue, but I only occasionally get a couple games on there, and I uninstall them when i finish with them.
Hope this has been vaguely helpful anyway!

nirurin said:
I only had the 16gb original Note10.1, and I never had any problems with space, as I installed everything that wasnt an app onto a 64gb external SD Card.
And so I didnt think twice about getting the 16gb Note10.1(2014), cos I knew I'd end up using the same apps, and the same SD Card in fact lol.
By the way, if you're thinking of rooting, you might as well just get the 16gb one because:
1) You can install apps onto the external SD Card then anyway (least you can on other devices, I assume it would work on this one too)
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2) At the moment the knox thing means you get no warranty, so you might as well go for the cheapest device just in case.
If you arent rooting (I'm not at the moment, until knox is sorted out) then it depends on how many apps you plan to install. I only use my tablet for drawing, writing, and reading, and browsing, and these apps dont take up huge amounts of space (the biggest space is taken up by my sketchbook pro picture files), everything else (books, comics, videos) are all on external storage.
Games are your only issue, but I only occasionally get a couple games on there, and I uninstall them when i finish with them.
Hope this has been vaguely helpful anyway!
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Thanks for your answer. Isn't it possible to root with root de la vega and maintain warranty? Did you try it?

mouse100 said:
Thanks for your answer. Isn't it possible to root with root de la vega and maintain warranty? Did you try it?
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Thats only for the LTE Snapdragon version, which as far as I know isnt even for sale over here yet, and is more expensive anyway (and a waste of money but anyway).
The normal WiFi version doesnt have a proper root yet. There was a pledge to get one done, but the person who took the money only gave a basic root which trips knox, so its pretty much worthless.
I dont think people are going to put up another pledge either, unfortunatly. Bit of a shame really, if it doesnt get sorted out then this device may die a slow developmental death.
Fingers crossed though, that something may get transferred over from another device someday.
Edit: I should say "Worthless to me", as I know some people were happy with losing their warranties. Not sure why, but to each their own.

I agree with everything @nirurin has said apart from " I didnt think twice about getting the 16gb"
I was stressing on getting the 32GB and like you my country isn't selling the 32GB so in the end I decided to just live with the 16GB and tbh its the best decision I made and saved loads of money. I have about 9GB free and this is after pretty much all my major apps have been installed. I have a few movies and TV shows which are all on my 64GB external SDcard but I have no games installed on my Note yet. But I'm positive that even with games I shall have plenty of space available.
But you have to bear in mind everyone uses their tablets completely differently some people on here have nearly filled their 32GB and some (Like me) will be more than happy with 16GB - Best of luck.

I also got the 16gb. I did consider getting the 32gb from Expansy (when it was only £450) but I figured a 2 year warranty was more important. I also came from the original galaxy note 10.1 tablet and that was also a 16gb. However, I felt it was a substantial amount for me as I had a 32gb micro sd card. I just store all my videos, etc onto there. I'm not fussed about rooting in all honesty although maybe I'll consider it in the future. For me though, I'm personally happy with the amount of storage. But I guess think realistically what you'd use your tablet for and how long it would take for roms to be made for this tablet.

nirurin said:
Thats only for the LTE Snapdragon version, which as far as I know isnt even for sale over here yet, and is more expensive anyway (and a waste of money but anyway).
The normal WiFi version doesnt have a proper root yet. There was a pledge to get one done, but the person who took the money only gave a basic root which trips knox, so its pretty much worthless.
I dont think people are going to put up another pledge either, unfortunatly. Bit of a shame really, if it doesnt get sorted out then this device may die a slow developmental death.
Fingers crossed though, that something may get transferred over from another device someday.
Edit: I should say "Worthless to me", as I know some people were happy with losing their warranties. Not sure why, but to each their own.
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We paid the developer for root, with or without tripping, he earned his money. And we all paid after it was done, so everybody knew about knox counter problem.
I paid $90 for 3rd party warranty for 3 or 4 years (I'm sure I won't keep this tablet that long) and they cover rooted devices too. Not worthless for many of us.

You need to be careful as in some apps like bbc iplayer and Skygo download internally and not to the sd card.

I thought Google will add microSD slot finally on Nexus 6

Google updated the security policy of external storage since KK.
The resolution of screen is 2K now.
Not only the quality of taking pictures and videos got better but also the size of them got bigger.
But Google just let microSD go away again.
I don't know why really.
It seems Google 'hates' or feels 'disgusting' about microSD

marbulas said:
Google updated the security policy of external storage since KK.
The resolution of screen is 2K now.
Not only the quality of taking pictures and videos got better but also the size of them got bigger.
But Google just let microSD go away again.
I don't know why really.
It seems Google 'hates' or feels 'disgusting' about microSD
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Google will never Include a MicroSD card slot in their Nexus line ever again, they're trying to push for full internet connectivity - grabbing everything off the cloud, which would make expandable storage useless in their eyes. That's all good for countries like the US and UK who can get unlimited mobile data plans for dirt cheap, but those of us in other countries with less ideal data plans are left having to decide between a nexus with limited data storage and a inferior phone with an SD card slot. It's just how it is sadly.

I don't think it's all about making us use the cloud. There could bentwood more possibilities I believe;
1) there are many different types of cards out there with different read and write speeds. Having a big storage with low speeds could lead to lag and general slowness..
2) Having a "removable" storage gives you an option to "remove" it, say, for media exchange. But a storage contains two types of data; user objects like musics, pictures and secondly apps which has some files inside of the actual storage also. So removing this storage may fail some apps to run. Companies prevent that by not letting people to store their apps inside of SD cards thus damaging the point of having an "extra" memory.
So I believe having an big internal storage is always betterb for these reasons..
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_delice_doluca_ said:
I don't think it's all about making us use the cloud. There could bentwood more possibilities I believe;
1) there are many different types of cards out there with different read and write speeds. Having a big storage with low speeds could lead to lag and general slowness..
2) Having a "removable" storage gives you an option to "remove" it, say, for media exchange. But a storage contains two types of data; user objects like musics, pictures and secondly apps which has some files inside of the actual storage also. So removing this storage may fail some apps to run. Companies prevent that by not letting people to store their apps inside of SD cards thus damaging the point of having an "extra" memory.
So I believe having an big internal storage is always betterb for these reasons..
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i thought it's about not letting microsoft earn their patent royalties on their file system????

rydako said:
Google will never Include a MicroSD card slot in their Nexus line ever again, they're trying to push for full internet connectivity - grabbing everything off the cloud, which would make expandable storage useless in their eyes. That's all good for countries like the US and UK who can get unlimited mobile data plans for dirt cheap, but those of us in other countries with less ideal data plans are left having to decide between a nexus with limited data storage and a inferior phone with an SD card slot. It's just how it is sadly.
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Cannot speak for the UK...but the USA is a land of laughably capped data plans. most ISPs be they landline or cellular cap your data usage laughably low. The "cloud" will die a quick death, between data caps from fat-and-happy ISPs and internet non-neutrality.

I can think of solutions for everything except pushing the cloud.
Filesystems are a dime a dozen. Just require a non-patented one. Tell the user what's going on prior to formatting it and that they can put it in a windows machine and format it to use it elsewhere. Most people don't swap them about that often. Using a security aware filesystem would solve the problem with apps accessing other apps data as well. Other than root, but rooting the device makes the users responsible for the outcome of giving apps root permission.
Speeds, meh.. Do a test and warn the user that the card is slow. Even crappy slow cards are more than fast enough for all except the higher bitrate HD videos. And few people have constant access to networks faster than even the slower SD cards.
Removing the storage doesn't happen that often. And would happen less if they didn't use a windows compatible filesystem. Apps2Sd is a ridiculous feature when even small phones come with 16GB. It made sense on the G1. Not so much now. When formatting the card, warn the user that apps using that storage might have issues if you remove the card. I don't know many normal users that remove the card, other than to upgrade to a bigger one.
Bigger internal storage is always desirable. However, I think it's ridiculous to remove the card option for users that want it. 64GB is about the level where I can get away without the card, so I will probably end up with an N6. But I find it irritating that Google removes the option. Particularly since I can't think of a reason that isn't self serving for them to do it.
But it is what it is. That's just how they do it right now. If that's a deal breaker for you, you will have to find a different device. I wish they would put the hardware there at least. Even if it required a custom kernel to enable it. But it's not likely to happen anytime soon.

I wish people stop *****ing about the MicroSD slot already.
I hope Android 6.0 removes MicroSD all together

mk92595 said:
I wish people stop *****ing about the MicroSD slot already.
I hope Android 6.0 removes MicroSD all together
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Yeah, those people with slow and/or limited data connections who have a need for a lot of storage on their phone are sooooo ridiculous and unreasonable. Google removing MicroSD all together in a future android update is completely the right choice. Consumers should have limited choices in everything they do as should phone manufactures...... Long live blindly following everything Google does and never considering anything but a Nexus cause everything Google does is so right and amazing....
I hope you know that's sarcasm....

I don't know why many people don't/fail to understand a simple basic thing about Google, Google makes money when people are online.
Google's fundamental business strategy is - do anything and everything possible to make people go online and spend as much as time as possible on the internet (Free Android, gmail, chrome, drive, Cheap Google Fiber, Google express, failed Google glass, upcoming Self driving cars etc..), so that Google could serve you more online ads, make money on your searches, clicks and would also get more data about your online activity which would enable more data mining.
with SD card in the phone people potentially would not go online as much compared to a phone with no SD card/less built in memory, that's why no SD card in the Nexus and also why Google is trying to kill the SD card support in lollipop.

The lack of a microSD slot makes it hard to decide between the Nexus 6 and Note 4. I don't know why Samsung is able to do it but Google not.

YYsn said:
The lack of a microSD slot makes it hard to decide between the Nexus 6 and Note 4. I don't know why Samsung is able to do it but Google not.
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Because it has nothing to do with ability. It's a choice, plain and simple. Why they make that choice is debatable, but anything we think is speculation. I generally go with "follow the money". Google gains if people are using the cloud more. But that's just opinion.
It's not a technology issue, every one of those I've seen trotted out is easy to work around.
Between the note 4 and Nexus 6... The biggest difference is touchwiz really. People will say that AOSP roms will be made. And they are right. However, note 3 still lacks a fully functional AOSP that is as stable as stock. Even if you don't care about the missing hardware support like NFC. The stability just isn't there. It's gotten much better recently, but I'm stuck on touchwiz because of it. So if you buy a note4, be sure you don't mind that. There's nothing wrong with that choice, it's a great device and looks like it works well.

The iPhone doesn't have an SD card and you don't see those users complaining. Why not just get the 64GB version and have more than enough space for photos and stuff? For the average user (which Google is targeting) they won't need more than 32GB of space, let alone 64GB.

I too wish Google would leave in an SD slot as an option. That said, I suspect that 64GB is more than enough storage for 90% or more of users, so I see why they leave it off the Nexus line. I think 64 will be more than I'll need in the next 2 years so I'm not really concerned. I may load up a 64 GB OTG solution with movies for when I'm traveling.

YYsn said:
The lack of a microSD slot makes it hard to decide between the Nexus 6 and Note 4. I don't know why Samsung is able to do it but Google not.
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As above, Google want you using the cloud. It's not that they can't do it - they just don't want to. Simple as that. :good:

Nucleotide said:
As above, Google want you using the cloud. It's not that they can't do it - they just don't want to. Simple as that. :good:
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But at the time same if Google was really that concerned with making people use the cloud why would they offer 64 GB? Why not stick with the Nexus 4 mottle of 8/16GB? That makes more sense in the pushing people to the cloud argument.
I love the cloud, but like most people I don't have unlimited data or perfect signal everywhere I go. Options are key. That said I will still get a Nexus because I love everything else about it (minus the non removable battery) and I've had them all so far. And USB on the go is not very convenient (I've used it for a couple years) for what most of us want to use them for. For a plane ride sure, but not practical for daily use.

A better question is.. why don't we have minimum 128 gigs of internal storage? Hell even 256? How expensive is it for companies to include this much storage? Apple does, so why can't Google?

frigidazzi said:
But at the time same if Google was really that concerned with making people use the cloud why would they offer 64 GB? Why not stick with the Nexus 4 mottle of 8/16GB? That makes more sense in the pushing people to the cloud argument.
I love the cloud, but like most people I don't have unlimited data or perfect signal everywhere I go. Options are key. That said I will still get a Nexus because I love everything else about it (minus the non removable battery) and I've had them all so far. And USB on the go is not very convenient (I've used it for a couple years) for what most of us want to use them for. For a plane ride sure, but not practical for daily use.
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With ART, the cache run partition for apps is going up quite a bit in size. Like double. People who needed Apps2SD on 16GB phones might still have problems with 32GB phones under ART.

Skripka said:
With ART, the cache run partition for apps is going up quite a bit in size. Like double. People who needed Apps2SD on 16GB phones might still have problems with 32GB phones under ART.
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That's also true. It complicates things with art. But more importantly as repeated here, Google is promoting cloud storage.
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rydako said:
Google will never Include a MicroSD card slot in their Nexus line ever again, they're trying to push for full internet connectivity - grabbing everything off the cloud, which would make expandable storage useless in their eyes. That's all good for countries like the US and UK who can get unlimited mobile data plans for dirt cheap, but those of us in other countries with less ideal data plans are left having to decide between a nexus with limited data storage and a inferior phone with an SD card slot. It's just how it is sadly.
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I don't buy that because even 32gb is more than enough for most people...

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i thought it's about not letting microsoft earn their patent royalties on their file system????
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This is one of the truths. The other is that Google finds cloud storage the more viable option as well.
But in all honesty, if you seriously need more than 50GB of storage for your phone, you seriously have a problem with transferring files off of your device and to a computer/server. Even with my Nexus 4 I never exceeded the 16GB/12GB the device had available for storage.
I move my pictures and video to my external HDD once a month, move the ones I share often to my G+ Photo drive so I can always access them when needed.
I hardly keep music on my phone aside from when I make them into ringtones/notifications. I suggest any diehard music fan to simply get a PMP if you want to listen to music while on the go. PMP's have an independent battery and last FAR longer than your phone will, plus it will not drain your phone's battery and PMP's have proper quality sound compared to phones where it just works fine but does not offer true quality sound. Plus a PMP will allow more storage options as well for those with the insane music collections like I do.
Seriously between these two things, the only thing that has ever been close of a threat to taking up my phone storage is my ROM backups, which I never keep more than 2 at a time on my device since they eat up storage so often. Again they can be put on an external drive whether it be your computer or personal server.

SD card and storage controversy

Such a huge disappointment to me personally....Samsung is apparently not allowing adoptable storage, meaning that everyone in Europe will be stuck with 32 gb minus whatever is reserved for the OS. I am still at a loss as to how Samsung came up with the brilliant idea to have only 32 gb models available.
It seems that the same also goes for the new LG G5.
Well, I was very close to buying my first ever Samsung phone....

It might have to do with the ufs storage being so fast that sticking a cheap/slow sd card will hamper loading times with apps that are installed on it . Thats my guess at least.

Something like this will probably work. I would bet this technique will work fine on the s7 with either no or minor modifications.
https://reddit.com/r/lgg4/comments/3z1bfi/enable_adoptable_storage_on_your_lg_g4_stock_no/
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I think it's a good idea. Store your media in microSD, let UFS handle apps. There is a good write-up here to understand the concept.
http://www.androidcentral.com/inside-marshmallow-adoptable-storage
Adoptable storage is really only useful for two things:
- An SD card placed in a phone or tablet and never to be removed
- A USB storage device attached to your Android TV box, and never to be removed.
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That means your microSD is NOT removeable while using adopotable storage option.
If you try to remove it, things go haywire.
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There's also the bit about how SD cards have a limited number of times they can be read from and written to. Using an SD card the "normal" way means failures are uncommon. When you start caching data and reading and writing at a rate higher than a card was designed to handle, problems can arise.
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I personally prefer it split. The default folder structure is a complete mess and its such a pain having to find my documents, music, camera folders etc when they are all mixed in with junk folders so its much better to have them stored separately on the sd card. I just wish that Chrome would add the option of changing the default download location.

NYanakiev1 said:
Such a huge disappointment to me personally....Samsung is apparently not allowing adoptable storage, meaning that everyone in Europe will be stuck with 32 gb minus whatever is reserved for the OS. I am still at a loss as to how Samsung came up with the brilliant idea to have only 32 gb models available.
It seems that the same also goes for the new LG G5.
Well, I was very close to buying my first ever Samsung phone....
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Same here, I was going to pre-order one with 64gb or 128gb but only 32gb available; what a disappointment. I don't like to use micro SD card. I'm not getting one for that reason.

I'm holding out for a 64gb model. 32gb just isnt enough,

This won't affect me, since I don't game, my 16gb S4 already has enough OS/app storage, & I use my 128gb SD as static music storage. However, I agree that this option should be present for people who have different usage patterns than mine, especially since Sandisk just released super fast SD cards. Even better would be 64/128gb built-in to make the point moot for just about anyone.

Dwayne01 said:
I'm holding out for a 64gb model. 32gb just isnt enough,
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Well if you're in the states you won't be getting a 64GB version lol so I would suggest getting an SD card so you can start enjoying this beautiful phone

I too am disappointed with no 64gb option. Unreal. Freaking kids that complained got what they want. Now i personally will not buy it because I'm forced to use slow ass sd card. Stupid. So stupid. No one realizes that ufs is stupid faster then the best sd cards except for the diehards.

v2.2v said:
Well if you're in the states you won't be getting a 64GB version lol so I would suggest getting an SD card so you can start enjoying this beautiful phone
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I'm in the UK, so there is still hope

Samsung's explanation seems kinda dumb, they could have just added that option in Developer settings or something.

I wonder if this is something that could be enacted in a custom ROM.

I guess I understand the disappointment but 32 gig is plenty of room especially if ya pack all pictures and music off the side.
It will be yet a better reason to root and free up bloat of space is an issue??

daLareid said:
Samsung's explanation seems kinda dumb, they could have just added that option in Developer settings or something.
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No, it's quiet brillant from both LG and Samsung.
Phone are not made for people in XDA. My friends (some of who work in IT or other engineers) don't even know or care about 'Developer Settings'. My parents know nothing more than taking photos on defualt settings, listening music, messages etc., Do you think these people will have any idea about adoptable storage?
Samsung doesn't care about XDA people, and rightly so. You don't run a trillion dollar business based on whims of XDA folks. What's best for common man is what's their aim. And I applaud them for thinking beyond geek mentality. Same goes for LG.

CLARiiON said:
No, it's quiet brillant from both LG and Samsung.
Phone are not made for people in XDA. My friends (some of who work in IT or other engineers) don't even know or care about 'Developer Settings'. My parents know nothing more than taking photos on defualt settings, listening music, messages etc., Do you think these people will have any idea about adoptable storage?
Samsung doesn't care about XDA people, and rightly so. You don't run a trillion dollar business based on whims of XDA folks. What's best for common man is what's their aim. And I applaud them for thinking beyond geek mentality. Same goes for LG.
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I understand and kind of agree with this, but by this same reasoning, they should never have brought back the idea of expandable memory in the first place.
Virtually all of the people you refer to as not needing, caring about, or even necessarily understanding the idea of adoptable storage are not much more likely to need, care about, or understand the idea of portable storage either.
And yet, here we are with the SD card slot re-added to the 2016 models. Samsung must have been responding to a minority of their consumers complaining about loss of expandable storage or they would never have done this.
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TJCacher said:
I understand and kind of agree with this, but by this same reasoning, they should never have brought back the idea of expandable memory in the first place.
Virtually all of the people you refer to as not needing, caring about, or even necessarily understanding the idea of adoptable storage are not much more likely to need, care about, or understand the idea of portable storage either.
And yet, here we are with the SD card slot re-added to the 2016 models. Samsung must have been responding to a minority of their consumers complaining about loss of expandable storage or they would never have done this.
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The idea remains the same as with the GS5, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Expandable =/= adoptable.
Once a storage device is adopted, it becomes part of the system and is no longer removable. Sure you can physically remove it, but you'll be prompted to put it back while apps and services crash on your phone or tablet. It's adopted — taken in and loved by the system, and made part of the whole.
This means Adoptable storage is really only useful for two things:
An SD card placed in a phone or tablet and never to be removed
A USB storage device attached to your Android TV box, and never to be removed.
When you insert an SD card into the HTC One A9 (the only device I've been able to try it on because Google hates SD cards) you have the choice of using it as a Portable device or an Internal device if you go to reformat it. If you choose Portable, it acts like any other SD card and you can take it out and swap it between devices at your leisure.
If you choose Internal, things change. The device is formatted as a local, 128-bit AES encrypted EXT4 drive and mounted as part of the system. It's then set as the preferred storage, and you're prompted to move data over. Newly generated data is placed on the adopted storage by default.
If you try to remove it, things go haywire.
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http://www.androidcentral.com/inside-marshmallow-adoptable-storage

dandroid13 said:
The idea remains the same as with the GS5, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Expandable =/= adoptable.
http://www.androidcentral.com/inside-marshmallow-adoptable-storage
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Previous post to mine said no adoptable storage on s7 because the great majority of buyers wouldn't understand or care about it.
I was pointing out (or trying to, at least) that if that was the reason that adoptable storage was not included in the s7's version of MM, Samsung probably wouldn't have resurrected the SD slot at all, since the same logic would apply (i.e. the vast majority of buyers for a huge, huge seller like a Samsung flagship probably won't bother using the SD slot even for its remaining use as portable storage).
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Previous post to mine said no adoptable storage on s7 because the great majority of buyers wouldn't understand or care about it.
I was pointing out (or trying to, at least) that if that was the reason that adoptable storage was not included in the s7's version of MM, Samsung probably wouldn't have resurrected the SD slot at all, since the same logic would apply (vast majority of buyers for a huge, huge seller like a Samsung flagship won't bother using the SD slot even for its remaining use as portable storage).
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Well, without adoptable you can put it in and forget, no need to care about formatting and losing your data. It would create more confusion.

Adoptable Storage is fine for $100 phones sold in emerging markets because their internals are slow performance wise. For a flagship all its storage will perform at the lowest common denominator which is the speed capabilities of the external SD card. LG and Samsung's choice makes sense. Use the slower less reliable storage for big ass video, RAW, and FLAC files and the faster storage for everything else. Their approach also lets media be shared via the external SD being removable which is impossible with Adoptable Storage. Just because Google puts something out doesn't make it good. As for performance, I can't remember any long threads saying using external storage to play files was ever a problem performance wise.
And for those with the bucks your worries about slow external storage can be solved...
https://www.sandisk.com/about/media...-card-featuring-worlds-fastest-transfer-speed

Does anyone else find the 32GB ROM restricting?

I installed most of my apps and I have about 19GB free. However, I'm sure as time goes on other things will eat up that space, especially cache.
I know you can move some apps to SD, but preferably I like to keep everything on system ROM for speed. I was trying to avoid getting into the low memory dilemma with my next my phone (ran into that with my S5). I'm just not feeling Samsung's crystal ball/balloon screen vibes and I just wanted to get away from Samsung period. I'm very happy with the phone so far, but just wish they would've added the 64GB ROM or gave us the option to choose... Hopefully as Android matures, it won't become an issue for me.

I do. I would have preferred 64GB.

maruichan said:
I installed most of my apps and I have about 19GB free. However, I'm sure as time goes on other things will eat up that space, especially cache.
I know you can move some apps to SD, but preferably I like to keep everything on system ROM for speed. I was trying to avoid getting into the low memory dilemma with my next my phone (ran into that with my S5). I'm just not feeling Samsung's crystal ball/balloon screen vibes and I just wanted to get away from Samsung period. I'm very happy with the phone so far, but just wish they would've added the 64GB ROM or gave us the option to choose... Hopefully as Android matures, it won't become an issue for me.
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The 32gb was to keep the price of the phone down but you're right it would been nice to have a choice.Funny thing is I said wouldn't buy a phone without 64gb after have the s7 edge and the v20.But I really like this phone

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The 32gb was to keep the price of the phone down but you're right it would been nice to have a choice.Funny thing is I said wouldn't buy a phone without 64gb after have the s7 edge and the v20.But I really like this phone
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I bought this to replace the iPhone I use as my desk/work phone. I would not buy it for my primary phone because of the 32 GB limit. My S7 Edge is always close to full even with pics going to the SD card. 64 GB should be table stakes to enter the "flagship" phone line in 2017.

The good news for you and others there are always other phone to buy.

I've got 16gb free on my 32gb phone (not a g6).
Not an issue for me, i hate lots of apps anyway.
That's not to say i was a little disappointed, but realistically i probably won't ever need more than 32gb, just would have been nice to have.

I can't even imagine filling up 32 GB with apps. All my music is on the SD card, photos go to Google photos and some apps that aren't speed dependent are on the SD card. I've got 18gb free and 4gb of the used space is my exchange email account.
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alexp999 said:
I've got 16gb free on my 32gb phone (not a g6).
Not an issue for me, i hate lots of apps anyway.
That's not to say i was a little disappointed, but realistically i probably won't ever need more than 32gb, just would have been nice to have.
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It's not the apps to be concerned with as much as the OS will naturally gain size as updates are released/put out and naturally apps tend to increase as well (though that seems to have plateaued considerably). My last flagship phone was on the low end before and it felt like I got burnt for their oversight because I was really hurting for space before it was even paid off. I don't feel like I use a lot of apps. I don't even game on my phone. I trim/delete things regularly just to keep stuff organized.
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I can't even imagine filling up 32 GB with apps. All my music is on the SD card, photos go to Google photos and some apps that aren't speed dependent are on the SD card. I've got 18gb free and 4gb of the used space is my exchange email account.
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Photos and music go to large SD so that's not the issue. I also have 1TB of cloud space. I don't game on my phone or anything. It's more about the fact a flagship phone that costs $650 is using the lower end of memory when idealistically they should be gunning for a 64GB ROM at this point to make space for larger ROMs, future changes to apps to future proof, etc. If that makes sense...