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AOSP Rom advantages

I'm currently running Dark Revenge 3.0 on the EC10 kernel voodoo. I've flashed most of the current roms trying to find the best battery life I can find. I've read a little about AOSP roms. How do they differ from DR, SC and others? I don't really understand them. What kernel would I use? etc. I'm not going to try it immediately but I am considering it. Also, which one would be best for the Fascinate? Vanilla, Kaoscinate. Thanks for your thoughts and suggestions.

Basically AOSP roms are pure google android, they don't have any of the additions samsung/verizon added. The advantages of that? Well no Bloat for one, but that's easily taken care of by Superclean.
Honestly the vanilla AOSP rom lacks alot of features.
MIUI has some extra and pretty cool ones (mostly just more in depth options in the menus) As well as CM7(kaosinate).
However the amount of stuff that dont work on those roms outweighs any of the extra features in my opinion.
Plus not all the stuff from samsung is bad, like the power options in the pulldown menu and the built in task manager are great.
The only AOSP Rom I've used extensively is MIUI, and my battery life was awful compared to running superclean w/ Ec10.

AOSP is pure Android. Its the most cleanest, stock, non-OEM version out there. Its like getting it directly from Google themselves. Only use the kernel that the rom says to use. Basically, SC and DR are stripped down roms of the original Touchwiz Sammy bloated roms that originally run on a stock GalaxyS device. AOSP is the unviolated version of Android.
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Toddw said:
I'm currently running Dark Revenge 3.0 on the EC10 kernel voodoo. I've flashed most of the current roms trying to find the best battery life I can find. I've read a little about AOSP roms. How do they differ from DR, SC and others? I don't really understand them. What kernel would I use? etc. I'm not going to try it immediately but I am considering it. Also, which one would be best for the Fascinate? Vanilla, Kaoscinate. Thanks for your thoughts and suggestions.
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I'm running Jt's vanilla froyo as I type this. It is by far the best rom I have used to date. I am using the aosp voodoo kernel. From what I understand and I could be wrong and someone please feel free to correct me if I am but Aosp is like a straight Google rom with no Samsung or Verizon crap bloatware (useless apps) or touchwiz framework. It's kinda like an uncut rom pieced together from open source and is much smoother and much better in my opinion. It's kinda like building your own car from scratch. You can customize it any way you want and optimize it. SC, DR and BH roms are modified touchwiz roms. Basically a completed stock car and some of the parts have been changed. They are great roms but the devs are limited due to the fact that they are touchwiz framework. Vanilla is pure. At least this is how I understand it and if I am wrong then I apologize. Hope this helped.
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What would I have to do to switch over? Full wipe or just cache and dalvik wipe or what? What about voodoo, do I need to disable then re-enable or just leave it like it is? Does the kernel come with the ROM or is it separate?

So I may have screwed up but I went ahead and tried it. I wiped cache and dalvik, flashed the vanilla voodoo kernel then the ROM. It went ok til I started getting alot of force closes in a row. So I figured it had deleted the apps when I flashed so no big deal. I'll just download them with Titanium, but no Titanium and no Market to get it from. Now what? I can't download the apps and I'm getting force closes because they're not there.

You have to do a FULL wipe. Data/cache/dalvik. Then flash in this order: Rom-Gapps-Kernel. Use the voodoo or non voodoo from jt's vanilla thread. Disable voodoo before wiping then after full wipe and flash, enable again
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Oh yeah, Bluetooth talk, camcorder and MMS don't work on this build but other than that this Rom is golden!!!
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Gapps=Google apps (market, Gmail etc.)
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I've tried both and I don't really see the benefit of aosp. With adryn's sc rom and sbrissen's improvements, tw has more features and is more convenient. Plus now that jt has started devving for the Thunderbolt, updates to his fascinated aosp rom will slow at the very least.
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Jt still updates aosp, and it is a very smooth rom, i use gmail for pic msg's anyway so mms is not a big deal to me, but I know it is for some

I feel the need to point out that the 0327 voodoo kernel over here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12422388&postcount=1
has in-call bluetooth audio working wonderfully, at least according to my earlier testing of receiving calls today with my BT headset.
It seemed pretty stripped of anything-verizon, so I'm still trying to figure out why I would want the AOSP kernel where some drivers still aren't working. Guess I'll stick with this for a while.

Thinking about going back to stock AOSP rom

The stock AOSP rom seemed to run better than cm 7.03 plus it was 2.3.4. I know tge nightlys are the latest but I need somd stablility on my phone. CM7 seems buggy on this device even a couple random reboots. Anybody else experience similar results?
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chubb16 said:
The stock AOSP rom seemed to run better than cm 7.03 plus it was 2.3.4. I know tge nightlys are the latest but I need somd stablility on my phone. CM7 seems buggy on this device even a couple random reboots. Anybody else experience similar results?
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Stock 2.3.4 is great stability wise and has tremendous battery life.

Iv been running zuluzulu for about a week now and it flies. Great battery life although I am a heavy user. I haven't experienced random reboots at all with it. Also if you like the notification power widget from cm7 its built into zuluzulu.
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chubb16 said:
The stock AOSP rom seemed to run better than cm 7.03 plus it was 2.3.4. I know tge nightlys are the latest but I need somd stablility on my phone. CM7 seems buggy on this device even a couple random reboots. Anybody else experience similar results?
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Try AdamG's oxygen ROM and you'll never want the stock ROM again. It isn't built on cm7, it's based on aosp ROM.
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I'm on oxygen now. Really a nice rom. I had opensoju downloaded too, but I went with oxygen.
But I do miss the rotary lockscreen on cm, with the messaging shortcut in the middle.
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lvnatic said:
Try AdamG's oxygen ROM and you'll never want the stock ROM again. It isn't built on cm7, it's based on aosp ROM.
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Agreed. AdamG's Oxygen Rom is my favourite right now. It's AOSP GRJ22 with some of the great features from CyanogenMOD built in (status bar power widget, improved widget picker, etc) and fantastic battery life!

A stable cm 7.1 (2.34) will be out very soon. No worries
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With many devices over many years, I've consistently found that stock firmware is more stable and functional than enthusiast-developed firmware.
I have literally never found an enthusiast-developed firmware that doesn't have at least some minor interface glitches. Most have some problem that's major enough that after a few hours of playing I revert to stock.
Occasionally I will run something other than stock, but that is typically after the device has aged to the point that this is the only way to get a feature. By that point, it's usually time to replace the device, anyway.

chubb16 said:
I'm on oxygen now. Really a nice rom. I had opensoju downloaded too, but I went with oxygen.
But I do miss the rotary lockscreen on cm, with the messaging shortcut in the middle.
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You can add that stuff with Widget Locker.
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mstevens said:
With many devices over many years, I've consistently found that stock firmware is more stable and functional than enthusiast-developed firmware.
I have literally never found an enthusiast-developed firmware that doesn't have at least some minor interface glitches. Most have some problem that's major enough that after a few hours of playing I revert to stock.
Occasionally I will run something other than stock, but that is typically after the device has aged to the point that this is the only way to get a feature. By that point, it's usually time to replace the device, anyway.
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I agree in general, but of course there are exception. When I had an HTC Evo 4G, I ended up running CM6 as my daily and it was exceptionally stable. At least as good as stock HTC Sense. Unfortunately when Gingerbread came around, that changed, and CM7 was not in the same ballpark.
On my Nexus, though... yeah I run stock ROM. CM7 is cool and if I had any other device (that came with a carrier OS and not pure Android), I would dump that shiz and rock CM7 for sure. But plain pure stock Android developed by a team of amazing developers specifically for this device, that's just not going to be beat

Hah. Google's "official" code isn't really better then what rom devs provide if they know what they're doing. The way google keeps pushing buggy code without giving a s*** is really disappointing. They release updates and then they stop caring about it. As some pointed out the gb update brought call delay and broke aac support, it really seems like they don't even do some basic testing before releasing a new version (which even the crappiest developer on the block generally does). On top of that, there is still no support at all for gpu acceleration in the ui, which is kinda retarded. Day after day i'm getting more and more disappointed about google dev team's job, they don't really deserve half the respect that many geeks keep tributing them.

Stock vs Custom rom on the NS was something I always thought about too! I only ran stock for a few hours because I immediately flashed a new rom when I got my phone LOL But what I can remember from the stock 2.3.4 was that it was fast, faster than any phone I've ever had. But there are so many features that are incorporated in custom roms and it's really hard to forgo these things.
Anyone out there who has used both stock 2.3.4 and oxygen who can attest to better battery life and performance? I am curious as well.
The last phone I used for a long time running stock was my N1 but after flashing CM6 I never really looked back. Speed increase was very noticeable and battery life was better. This is the reason why I never really bothered to use stock software for my next phones.

well, to be honest, i kinda regret to be flashed customs. Stock is so stable and has so good battery life, but now i can't live without cm7 features, just can't...
it's sad story that shows that you can't miss what you don't know! =oP

I agree for the most part, stock gb is pretty good. Using Oxygen now, and the stability and speed from stock + some nice features makes it a good choice!
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Is there really a difference?? Especially when compared to a bare bones aosp build like oxygen?

kingofthebraves said:
Is there really a difference?? Especially when compared to a bare bones aosp build like oxygen?
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In the case of Oxygen not much difference but I believe CM pretty much guts the framework and replaces it with their own heavily modded version.

does facebook sync work on all ASOP roms? or is it just CM7?

Just wondering - does CM 7 for Nexus S still have the video capture glitch where a couple of seconds are skipped near the beginning when played back?

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Just wondering - does CM 7 for Nexus S still have the video capture glitch where a couple of seconds are skipped near the beginning when played back?
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tested right now and couldn't notice... if there is any, it's less than 1sec!

Which rom would you recommend?

I'm currently running CM7, I haven't tried many different roms with this phone, the others I had on my phone at least(besides CM7) were Froyo(stock/rooted) and rooted GB. What other custom roms would be good for me to try, for example, if I want to keep hdmi functionality and 720p recording etc. Is there an AOSP rom where I can keep that functionality?

Liberty .9 is pretty smooth and has the HDMI and 720 p recording down, as well as being very customizable (liberty customizer prompts at first boot to choose which features asop and blur you wish to have).
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I'm currently running DarslideX. It's a GB based prerooted rom. Has hdmi support, as do most GB builds. Been on it about 2weeks now, very stable, some blur, most bloat removed. There are a couple people making custom themes, sliders, etc for it. You can find it over at mdw.
My DroidX Thrives on the DarkSlide!!

I've had liberty and apex and the rooted leaked gingerbread but I have been happiest with cyanogenmod. Just waiting for HDMI.
DX+CM7

Thanks for the responses. I did try Apex, then I installed MIUI.

I am in the same boat. Looking for another GB rom until cm7 is stable.

g8rgrad2k said:
I am in the same boat. Looking for another GB rom until cm7 is stable.
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Cm7 is very stable. I update with the nightly every day. I do have to flash the camera fix to make YouTube work and I also flash the dx2 sound pack from team black hat app although they took it off the app. Wish there was a good HDMI fix already but that's the only thing that would really make cm7 any better for me.
DX+CM7

I'm currently using MIUI and besides the questionable battery life, I love it. My phone feels completely different, in a good way. It's also very smooth and haven't run into any problems yet.

I've been using Liberty v0.9 since it came out. Very smooth, customization is there, everything works... Best rom I've used. Had a problem the first time I loaded it. Re-downloaded it and data wipe fixed it. Liberty toolbox is just as good as team blackhat app.

I'm running Liquid now, i looked at Darkslide X, my phone isn't activated yet, and wanted to know if i have to switch back to stock to get it activated(i may flash to a local company, not Verizon). I might try Liberty.

Maximaniac said:
I'm currently using MIUI and besides the questionable battery life, I love it. My phone feels completely different, in a good way. It's also very smooth and haven't run into any problems yet.
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Agreed 100% MIUI so far has been absolutely wonderful. I would agree though about the battery life issue. Prior to MIUI I was running an early leaked build of Froyo, FroyoDynamite, with SetCPU active on stock kernel I was getting around 2 days of battery life. With MIUI I'm lucky to get a full day.
But everything is super smooth, and it is absolutely beautiful, and the ability to change themes on the fly is amazing. I would agree, it's like a brand new phone to me again.

So is it worth it going from liberty 2.01 to liberty gb .9? I've been holding off because I finally got my dx to run nice with minimal random reboots. I'd love to be on 2.3 but If its still unstable I'll stick with this.
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So is it worth it going from liberty 2.01 to liberty gb .9? I've been holding off because I finally got my dx to run nice with minimal random reboots. I'd love to be on 2.3 but If its still unstable I'll stick with this.
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Yes, by a mile. Everything is smoother and faster, and gingerbread is the only place to be.
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To the OP
Liberty .8 was good. I then went on to try other ROMs. I avoided APEX because of the bluetooth issue. Right now I am back on rooted 596. CM4DX blew up on me on build 23 and I have been staying away.
I'm trying to find out which ROMS do not have the in-call bluetooth volume issue. I am not getting very many answers though. I wish there was a list of ROM's that do not have the bluetooth issue.

Best TW-Based ROM

Hey guys, I just have a few quick questions. Right now I'm on CM7.1, but as most of you know, there are issues that have yet to be patched (data dropping out in particular). So, I'm looking for a stable, but fast ROM, and I've devised a few questions to help me find it:
1. What would you say is the best type of ROM for a good mix of reliability and performance? (stock, modified stock, or custom (such as CM))
2. Is there a significant difference in performance between stock/modified gingerbread and stock/modified froyo?
3. I understand that there's a considerable difference in performance between stock froyo and MTD roms such as MIUI and CM7, but how does tw-based gingerbread compare to the MTD roms?
4. Taking these things into account, what would you say is the best TW-Based ROM? It can be any of the stock froyo, modified froyo, stock gingerbread, or modified gingerbread ROMS.
Lastly, thank you to whosoever answers these questions

the best rom imo for stock like reliability w/ some snappiness is powerwashed 1.2 ed05 froyo w/ pbj kernal. the powerwashed gingerbread eh09 rom is nice, but is slower than the froyo version until you flash a voodoo kernel such as tks. the issues i experienced with the kernel is random reboots and lag from time to time. all in all cm7.1 w/ glitch v13 is my favorite. I'm sure signal area must play a roll in the data drop because it has not been a issue for me.

MIUI has never had the data drop out problem for me, that was present in VGB and CM7.

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MIUI has never had the data drop out problem for me, that was present in VGB and CM7.
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I have also used MIUI. I had the data drop out problem, however. What kernel were you using?

No need to go to TouchWiz - you could try TSM Pool Party if you want...
Has anyone seen John Connor?

skynet11 said:
No need to go to TouchWiz - you could try TSM Pool Party if you want...
Has anyone seen John Connor?
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I kinda did already; I flashed it about a week ago and used it for a day. It seemed to be overall a bit more clunky than clean CM7.1. While I experienced no data issues, performance was similar to that of a Froyo ROM...

I was using the GeeWiz ROM for a while and I was really pleased with it! It felt like a very good upgrade coming from stock TouchWiz Froyo (but debloated, etc). I mean to say that it felt like it was just a simple upgrade from froyo to gingerbread while keeping all functionality. I did, however, have some force close problems. As in whenever a force close event occurred the phone would restart.
I've been running MIUI for a while and it's so far the most stable rom i've seen. My only issue is that it has the wifi problem that CM7 was also seeing (as in you had to restart it because data had stopped flowing).

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I would say powerwashed is the most reliable daily driver with great performance overall, none of the mtd issues with volume (ie speakerphone and in call volume) it's oem plus
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vote for powerwash GB

TSM Resurrection v1.2 is quite nice!

Froyo is still better for reliability. It's not the ROMs necessarily but the kernels -- Froyo kernels got really good by the end.

benfikaman said:
I would say powerwashed is the most reliable daily driver with great performance overall, none of the mtd issues with volume (ie speakerphone and in call volume) it's oem plus
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your right pwgb dont have mtd's issues, but it has it's own issues. The ported eh09/ei20 roms are not anymore reliable than mtd. If you want everything to work w/ no hiccups then tw froyo(pw ed05) is the way to go.

Best way to turn Evo 4G into media player?

So I have an Evo which I don't use for anything. It has not number on it and I don't need it as a back up. I use it only for listening to music (speaker only) and taking and watching videos. Sometime I may connect it to wifi to download a certain app or to watch something on YouTube. So this thread could be called a survey I guess? But what's the best ROM out here for me to put on the phone in my case? I basically want battery life + performance + louder speaker (the Evo speaker sucks compared to my other phones sadly). I flashed the 4 kornerz (sorry if I misspelled) ROM and flashed the beats audio and the underworld kernel, but noticed a lag after flashing that kernel so I re-flashed the stock kernel.
I have not had time to actually use it and test out how it goes with my usage but I think it'll be alright?
I have also used Energy ROM (kills my batttery too quick) and CM7 (phone speaker isn't loud enough) so what other ROMs would you recommend for me? Or what mods or kernels would work with 4kornerz ROM that would ensure better battery life?
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I'm doing the same thing with my Evolution - typing on it right now, actually.
I'm using deck's 1.3d, mason .15 kernel, beats audio addon with go launcher. Smooth as can be and I get tons of battery life in airplane mode.

roflboxer said:
I'm doing the same thing with my Evolution - typing on it right now, actually.
I'm using deck's 1.3d, mason .15 kernel, beats audio addon with go launcher. Smooth as can be and I get tons of battery life in airplane mode.
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That's exactly the kind of answer I'm looking for thanks =). I thought about trying an ICS build but wasn't too sure if I wanted to because I thought it might have some bugs or be laggy or have not so great battery life or sound quality decreased. But I'm going to test out 4 kornerz for a bit then will try your settings next. Thanks for the reply =).
Wait.. what's the ROM your using lol? When I first read it I thought you were talking about one of the ICS builds but I'm starting to have second thoughts. I'm not very familiar with every ROM out here because I barely use the Evo but can you post the link to the ROM? Or at least tell me what's the title of its thread lol? And also your kernel pleeeaseee.
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Decks 1.3d is his famous Gingerbread build. Search for it and you can't miss it. The thread title has decks, and. 1.3d in it I believe. It is legendary for being the best AOSP Gingerbread ROM with the best battery life and stability. Coupled with that kernel the above user mentioned, it will give you tremendous battery life! Much better than ICS at this beta phase.
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Is 1.3d better than 1.3? 1.3 is newer...

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Is 1.3d better than 1.3? 1.3 is newer...
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1.3d would probably be a later version of it, as a, b, c, and d. Probably just minor fixes through out that version.

No, I clarified it. 1.3d is just a beta, 1.3 is stable. 1.3 is newer.
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gingerbread evo 1.3 Stable
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1.3 is newer, but i've had the best results with the 'beta' d version. runs like a beeeeeeeeeeeeeast.

Well I did find it and I will try flashing it as soon as I can. Is the stock kernel that comes with it the one that was recommended to me? Or where can I find the other kernel?
And I'm just kinda starting to get confused. Some people are saying 1.3 and some are saying 1.3d. Which one is better..? Logically thinking I would say 1.3d would be better since it probably just contains little fixes and nothing major updated but those little fixes may be a big problem to me without them so I think ill try out 1.3d unless I am told not to.
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if you were having issues with cm7 you may experience the same with Deck's as his is just a custom version of cm7, yet designed to operate on Sprint more effectively.
You say the speaker wasn't loud enough with cm7? Did you adjust the settings in DSP manager?
I have 3 EVO's, 2 operational and on is my 3 year old's "phone," he is an angry bird addict! I have the phone on constant airplane mode and simply turn on wifi when I would like to connect. We are constantly asking him to turn it down so no sound problems here.
I would recommend the cm 7.2 rc1 from the cyanogenmod website, and don't forget gapps.
Again Deck's is based on cm7 though he hasn't updated in a long time and there have been many many improvements to the cm source since he stopped building. Cm7 is also still a work in progress, they are not dropping support for it, though they may bring cm9 to the EVO eventually 7 is the current supported version.

Honestly, I think the advice above is sound, but I still recommended deck 1.3 with Mason v14 kernal without hwa. Or if you want more battery, flash the slightly less stable v15rc G version. G for nonhwa. And then I would clock down to about 850mhz as your Max (don't know the exact value but the performance settings in deck shouldn't be too hard for you to figure out) and then use the wheatley kernel if you're on v15rc or intellidemandx if you're on 14. Smartassv2 would be my recommended governor, but it doesn't play well with media when the screen is off so you take your choice.
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Well sound was only a problem to me because I have an Epic 4G which, stock v.s stock, is louder. And I've tried CM7 on my epic and loved it but the sound was a problem the same as on the Evo. But I guess I would give up sound for better battery life lol. I'm going to flash deck's 1.3 right now. But I still can't seem to find the kernels you guys are talking about can someone please post the link to the thread?
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So I just flashed the rom with the kernel.
I'm having one tiny problem.
I didn't install gapps (don't really need it) so I tried to bluetooth a file explorer.
I've noticed with bluetooth on the phone reboots? (It happened twice so far)
Ill keep trying the ROM out and see if I have more reboots. If its just bluetooth related then its not a problem
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One more thing. Not sure if its the ROM or my phone but the power button seems to not work so well. It turns off the screen normally but turning the screen back on is the problem. It doesn't turn on by just pressing it I have to hold it down and then the power menu pops up and the screen turns on.
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What ROM and kernel did you flash? Sleepiness is due to kernel undervolting issues... or kernel related at least. Bluetooth would be the same I would gather... sounds like stock kernel for you!
My original EVO loved underclocking, and I could squeeze a few precious hours out of the battery with the right kernel, governor and voltages. My replacement however will not undervolt at all... not even 25 mA... so each evo is different. I am of the opinion that stock is going to give you the best overall performance.
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...are you guys kidding me right now???
Mason kernel is for ICS, as in not Gingerbread so it will break things on Decks 1.3... come on man!!!
If you really want a great experience just flash CM 7.2 please and leave it be because those guys know Android and what it needs to love you long time... I apologize for the inconvenience of bad information...

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...are you guys kidding me right now???
Mason kernel is for ICS, as in not Gingerbread so it will break things on Decks 1.3... come on man!!!
If you really want a great experience just flash CM 7.2 please and leave it be because those guys know Android and what it needs to love you long time... I apologize for the inconvenience of bad information...
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But on the kernel's thread it said for "AOSP ROMs" and I did flash it and it worked. It does say it would also work on ICS tho.
I think I may just go to CM7 tho.
The april 8th update is better than the official one?
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Here is what you want...
CM 7.2
Wipe:
All/factory reset
Cache
dalvik cache
System
Boot
Then flash the ROM, no gapps for you if you don't want.
Mason says it apparently works on GB or ICS, but I don't see how that could actually be possible... though I am not a kernel dev... but your issues do seem to stem from a kernel issue...

I'd imagine using a sense kernel based rom like swagged out stock N would get you the best musical results, since it has a kernel that was specifically built for the EVO, and not something AOSP generic. Maybe throw the zip file in for beat audio, or use poweramp instead.
Swagged out stock N 2.0.9 with universal aggressive lionfish 1.8 is doing REALLY well for me. It uses the go launcher, instead of sense.

haha luckily ICS is based off of a GB Kernel, Tiamat. Mason has two flavors of his popular kernel, the "G" version which CAN be used for Gingerbread AND NON-HWA ICS Roms, and the "I" version which is strictly used for HWA enabled ICS roms.

also jamieg71 has aosp gb build that is being updated more recently if you wanna check that out havent run it personally but if its anything like his ics build it will be great