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Ive just got this app (really to save myself some battery time)
On launching for the first time it presents me with a whole bunch of stuff including my clocks
Now i'm sure this maybe a pretty dumb question but if i kill the htc clock App will that stop the time and weather updating correctly? (i have my weather set to update hourly) and also if i kill any app like K-9 or Peep (that i have an update schedule set for) will it stop that schedule till i manually launch the app again or will it auto launch when it reaches the sheduled update time?
Sorry for the (potentially) stupid questions
Cheers
The only thing you're going to achieve with using a task killer, is lowering performance and causing even worse battery drain. If that's what you want to do, fine, but otherwise, I wouldn't bother if I were you.
Here's why:
Android's memory management is nothing like Windows Mobile. Applications you've finished with are MEANT to stay in memory until they really are completely finished with, and just because YOU aren't using them, doesn't mean the phone has. If they've been inactive long enough, or some other program needs the RAM, Android will tidily close them down.
If you close them prematurely, then Android will have to load them back up again, so that whatever was using said program's services, can continue to function. This noticeably affects phone performance, and puts an extra load on your battery. Do you REALLY want to do that?
I'm not using any task killers, and my phone runs great, and battery is up to 2.5 days.
Hmm interesting, i might try that, im killing all instantly and repeately, thanks for the tip
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The only thing you're going to achieve with using a task killer, is lowering performance and causing even worse battery drain. If that's what you want to do, fine, but otherwise, I wouldn't bother if I were you.
Here's why:
Android's memory management is nothing like Windows Mobile. Applications you've finished with are MEANT to stay in memory until they really are completely finished with, and just because YOU aren't using them, doesn't mean the phone has. If they've been inactive long enough, or some other program needs the RAM, Android will tidily close them down.
If you close them prematurely, then Android will have to load them back up again, so that whatever was using said program's services, can continue to function. This noticeably affects phone performance, and puts an extra load on your battery. Do you REALLY want to do that?
I'm not using any task killers, and my phone runs great, and battery is up to 2.5 days.
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Thats correct.
I installed it on the phone, and the battery was empty the same night
Uninstalled it, and all works fine now.
Greetz.
would an app like task panel work?
you can add apps that are system apps etc to the ignore list and have apps such as games on the force to kill list or is it just best not to have any task killer apps installed at all?
its strange that there are so many task killer apps and its bad to run on your device. There must be some reason as to why there is an app for this purpose?
ragmanchu said:
would an app like task panel work?
you can add apps that are system apps etc to the ignore list and have apps such as games on the force to kill list or is it just best not to have any task killer apps installed at all?
its strange that there are so many task killer apps and its bad to run on your device. There must be some reason as to why there is an app for this purpose?
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They exist, because people think memory management on Android works like it does on Windows Mobile. It doesn't, and never has. Think if it like the so called "memory manager" tools you can get for XP that claim to be able to free all your RAM and speed up your system... Every single one of them is nothing but a placebo designed to part you from your cash, and often end up CAUSING problems, just like task killers on Android do.
Avoid them.
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They exist, because people think memory management on Android works like it does on Windows Mobile. It doesn't, and never has. Think if it like the so called "memory manager" tools you can get for XP that claim to be able to free all your RAM and speed up your system... Every single one of them is nothing but a placebo designed to part you from your cash, and often end up CAUSING problems, just like task killers on Android do.
Avoid them.
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Guess thats a good enough reply lol
task killers can work fine, but you need to know what is running and what is using it.
for example, if you have the music widget on the homescreens, then the music player process will be opne in the background.
likewise friendstream will keep people, facebook and twitter open in the background.
if you kill those processes, they will just get opened again.
As long as you are careful, using task managers will not decrease battery life, you just need to know how to use them properly. randomly killing everything in the background is NOT the way to do it.
and you should never close clock if you want your alarm clock to actually go off!!
Might be worth making a list of what apps should be ignored and what apps can be forced killed?
When i had an app killer installed, i used to only force kill games and sat nav apps, the rest i asked it to ignore but after reading this thread, i decided to delete the app killer app =)
Ive put a bunch of stuff like clock, weather, Peep and facebook etc on the ignore list and have used the task killer to only kill off frivolous apps like Spark (for xbox friends) streamfurious, photos etc...Nothing Major!
I unhooked my phone from the power at 7:30 am on the 13th April, its now 16:36 on the 14th april and it still has 30% of the juice left, and i always have wifi and mobile data connection on too...phone is always left on with facebook connecting ever 4 hrs and peep once a day and mail set for every 2 hrs (besides which i do check and update them manually a couple of times a day)
I'll try all this without task killer installed and test how long the phone can run before charging
As you say, it could well be a combination of the battery coming up to speed and a placebo effect.
However, surely it cant do more harm than good to kill an app like Spark !
However, im no Phone Genius so im sure someone will soon tell me that im completely wrong
But so far so good....like i said, ill test things without task killer installed
I've stopped using the task killer now and my battery life has improved very noticably.
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I've stopped using the task killer now and my battery life has improved very noticably.
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im not so sure about this.
im using a task killer when i want to close the browser or something using internet, as we all know internet drains a lot of battery and even if the browser or market is in the background it still probably has some active connections = draining battery
cez10 said:
im using a task killer when i want to close the browser or something using internet, as we all know internet drains a lot of battery and even if the browser or market is in the background it still probably has some active connections = draining battery
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If you want to close fast the browser or any app, you should have a try at taskOS and launch it with the search key whenever you want...
Binned this app in favour of Juice defender, my new battery saving app of choice, seems to be working as it should too...nice
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If you want to close fast the browser or any app, you should have a try at taskOS and launch it with the search key whenever you want...
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but then that works pretty much like a task killer
can anyone correct me about the apps i.e. browser using internet while not active(in background) is this true or not? of course having the sync/updates turned off
Task killers can be handy for those times when apps seem to have crashed but aren't forcing close. for example, i've had times where ebuddy just doesn't want to even try to sign in. Task kill it. Try again. all is well. And last my internet browser wouldn't let me click any buttons. Again, killed it - restarted - all is ok.
I've had to use such an app countless of times due to unwanted/unneeded apps running, hanging FCs and black screens, checking/closing net related or sensor using apps, and numerous times when 300KB apps wouldn't install citing 'low memory' when I have more than 70MB free, but it was the RAM being near full causing FCs in apps like Market, and halting the installs. I only use Androids built-in TaskPanel widget for this though. Everything routine is set over to the ignore list so that I don't accidently hit and close that (single hit closes the app). Additionally I use this app to check and to switch to an opened application that is running (when it's not in the recent list).
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If you want to close fast the browser or any app, you should have a try at taskOS and launch it with the search key whenever you want...
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This is the route I've taken naturally. I'm using jkAppSwitch on my longpress search key, mainly used for switching but can be used to kill problem apps.
Full task killers are being proven to be useless on the Desire.
I would recommend using an app that monitors the cpu usage(watchdog etc.). This way your can see which apps put a drain on your phone.
Thank you for the information. But I do notice a considerable improvement in battery power with Advanced Task Killer.
I hope someone can provide me an answer.
Is a task killer needed on froyo or can it manage without one?
If you dont use one, does the list of running apps get larger and larger?
i heard task killers arent good but eh, i keep one just in case
I haven't used one on Froyo and it runs fine.
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Is a task killer needed on froyo or can it manage without one?
If you dont use one, does the list of running apps get larger and larger?
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Android can handle the tasks better then you..dont use the task killers they are bad for the long run..
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
Specifically Froyo is more aggressive than Eclair. The tasks are killed by the system more often than I'd want to.
if i don't use a task killer my browser will eat up all my internal memory and will stop my phone from getting text messages..
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if i don't use a task killer my browser will eat up all my internal memory and will stop my phone from getting text messages..
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Clear browser cache - better and simpler than using task killer, no?
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I haven't used one on Froyo and it runs fine.
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Same here! Used a Taskkiller nearly every day on Android 2.1
I still have a light one installed but I actually never kill any app.
I sometimes close some services with Applications / running services thing.
Apps like PingChat! for example.. apps I don't use regulary
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Clear browser cache - better and simpler than using task killer, no?
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Do you know where I can get widget for that?
The built in running tab in 2.2 is better than any task killer i know. Its under manage applications. you shuold see four tabs "Downloaded\Running\All\On Sd card". Why the need for a third party task killer?
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Do you know where I can get widget for that?
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1:0 to you If you need to use it THAT much - perhaps you're better off using task killer for that. Did you try setting up old-school Apps2SD to free some internal memory?
I don't use any task killers. But I do use system panel which is the best out there by far.
The browser gets large over time, but if you just go in and close all your windows, the browser releases all the space.
if task killers are not needed then why when I open the task killer there is always a whole page of tasks running?
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if task killers are not needed then why when I open the task killer there is always a whole page of tasks running?
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Because those processes barely use your system resource, so there's no need to close them in case you might want to use them any time again.
Gallery69 said:
if task killers are not needed then why when I open the task killer there is always a whole page of tasks running?
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Old winmobo habit is kinda hard to get rid off isn't it? =)
Gallery69 said:
if task killers are not needed then why when I open the task killer there is always a whole page of tasks running?
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They aren't really running. Most of them don't have any system usage when they're idle. They're just "running" (not really) to start things faster.
When you kill them most stuff will start slower and this is using more battery
I've found that task killers generally hurt more than they help, draining batteries faster for little benefit.
Furthermore, in the rare situation where there really is a rogue app eating up RAM, you can kill it using the built in Running Applications tab under Settings.
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if task killers are not needed then why when I open the task killer there is always a whole page of tasks running?
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Because that's how android functions, it purposely loads those things, and they are static, frozen in the background not using any resources. By fighting the OS to keep killing those, you waste battery cause the OS will just keep opening them and the task killer will keep closing them, over and over, killing your battery.
You guys can test this yourself using the app system panel. Enable monitoring and see what's using your CPU, you will see exactly what is using resources and why it has no effect on your battery.
Gallery69 said:
if task killers are not needed then why when I open the task killer there is always a whole page of tasks running?
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This is why:
http://developer.android.com/videos/index.html#v=fL6gSd4ugSI
Many people say it's harmful using app killers, especially on android as it may interfere with important system resources or close important system files and can do harmful damage in the longrun such as errors, things not working, etc...
When you open various programs such as file manager, picture gallery, etc you then see a list of all running programs in system/task manager.
Many of these running programs are ones you have recently used and are draining ram/cpu/battery.
Is there not ANY safe app to use that will ONLY close apps that YOU have used?
There must be some app out there that closes/kills open apps, not system or phone apps but only the ones you have installed and used?
This could be a ram killer or maybe a simple app which is not dangerous and will safely close running apps not needed.
Looking forwards to seeing what others recommend.
Thanks in advance guys,,,
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There must be some app out there that closes/kills open apps
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yes, there are, but android just restarts them after they have been closed (froyo only)
panyan said:
yes, there are, but android just restarts them after they have been closed (froyo only)
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Names please of a good app that kills ONLY programs you open, not system files.
What if I was to install an appkiller, but instead of having it on autokill, I was to manually click apps I opened and kill them?
Surely this way there is no danger as I'm only closing selected apps, not system files?
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Names please of a good app that kills ONLY programs you open, not system files.
What if I was to install an appkiller, but instead of having it on autokill, I was to manually click apps I opened and kill them?
Surely this way there is no danger as I'm only closing selected apps, not system files?
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The point is, even after killing your own apps, most of the time froyo will restart them
I very much like ES' offerings - ES File Explorer and ES Task Manager. They're both free, give em a birl.
You can install Advanced Task Killer (free) and there you can perfectly select which apps to close and which not... still I rarely use it
for example your homescreen widgets are always unchecked when killing tasks, so unless you check them, they won't be killed...
Hmmm, ok.
What is the BEST way to preserve & save battery/cpu & free up as much ram as possible without harming/interfering with the phone??
When I used to use the task killer app it would consistently give me around 400-424mb free ram.
Without the app killer I would only have around 100mb of free ram since all the programs are running in the backround.
So to all you experts out there, what can I do or what options do I have in which I can safely free up as much ram as possible and safely close running apps not needed when not using the phone?
I just want the best and most effective way to make my battery last longer.
I'm having to charge my phone every day, it struggles to get through the day even when hardly used.
Looking forwards to hearing some expert opinions based on the above.
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I'm having to charge my phone every day, it struggles to get through the day even when hardly used.
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There's definitely a problem there but you're not going to find it chasing free ram. I have approx 20Mb free ram at the moment, the phone hasn't been rebooted for at least a week but I'm easily getting through 2 days with light use. Task killers / app killers are not the answer, (in froyo at least) free ram is wasted ram.
The programs that are 'running' in the background are not actually using CPU resources unless they have a service running (see the eBay app/service for an example). Your best bet is to check the running services (settings/applications/running services) and battery usage to work out what process is hogging the CPU time. Also check your sync settings, though I'd imagine you've already tried that.
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There's definitely a problem there but you're not going to find it chasing free ram. I have approx 20Mb free ram at the moment, the phone hasn't been rebooted for at least a week but I'm easily getting through 2 days with light use. Task killers / app killers are not the answer, (in froyo at least) free ram is wasted ram.
The programs that are 'running' in the background are not actually using CPU resources unless they have a service running (see the eBay app/service for an example). Your best bet is to check the running services (settings/applications/running services) and battery usage to work out what process is hogging the CPU time. Also check your sync settings, though I'd imagine you've already tried that.
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Maybe it's the anipet fish aquarium live screensaver...
Systempanel is good, I use it to stop a bad app thats using to much memory..you should never kill your apps with froyo, the OS wasn't designed like that, thats the whole point of Android, it looks after the apps perfectly well by itself, systempanel is just there as a....just in case method.
Saving battery power is a common misconception, Task killers actually get in the way of Android handling memory management as intended.....a pointless app to have with 2.2 which actually drains you battery quicker.
The LCD screen is the biggest drain on battery power, turning the brightness down, stop using a live wallpaper, turn off wifi, bluetooth, GPS ect....
With all that said the 1250mah battery is just not powerful enough to run this device period...but then most of us knew this before we bought the phone..we needed a 2000mah battery really, its just a lipo battery and can be easily increased, maybe next year we will see an improvement in the new smartphones.
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Maybe it's the anipet fish aquarium live screensaver...
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I hope you're joking
Black1982 said:
I hope you're joking
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LOL, well some people do say that live wallpaper kills battery...
Anyone know which advance task killer is better?
Advanced Task Killer Pro by reChild or Advanced Task Manager Pro by Infolife.
Thanks.
akoni1p said:
Anyone know which advance task killer is better?
Advanced Task Killer Pro by reChild or Advanced Task Manager Pro by Infolife.
Thanks.
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I'm sure either will drain your battery like a mofo. I wouldn't recommend running a task killer at all.
This is one of the most persisting myths about android that you need a task killer. Maybe it was useful with 1.5 or 1.6 but with 2.2 and higher it is waste.
The best on it the one that you don't use. But if for some reason you feel compelled to kill a task, use the one built into android: Menu > Manage Apps.
I would recommend reading the thread 'android memory management' before using any task killer. Link to it is in my signature.
diablo009 said:
I would recommend reading the thread 'android memory management' before using any task killer. Link to it is in my signature.
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What I still don't understand is why Motorola integrated a task killer in Blur. I get now always this annoying popups that google voice uses battery etc even though I have not one application in the auto kill folder.
mgymnop said:
What I still don't understand is why Motorola integrated a task killer in Blur. I get now always this annoying popups that google voice uses battery etc even though I have not one application in the auto kill folder.
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Exactly! That's the point. If an application uses too much battery when phone is in sleep it pops this up. Esp useful when u r sleeping. Add the app to auto-kill list, and if it realizes it as a memory hog, it will auto-kill it.
I was logged in into gvoice the other day and there was a heavy messages transfer in n out, and that is when the popped up the message. I added it to auto-kill list, and started to save a ton of battery. When I wake up in the morning, I see it starting to work again. I am not sure how this killing/starting takes place, but its saving me a ton of battery esp at nights.
Edit: U can always freeze this in TiBu.
I'm no expert in android but I sell cellphones. When people have problems on android they like to come in and complain. I find a task killer on most of the buggy phones. The customer usually admits that they kill tasks several times per day. It's not exactly scientific, but I'd say there is a correlation between task killing and buggy phones.
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Some apps that kills phone with high ram usage and causes lag on high end games.
-Facebook (Sometimes consuming 60mb of ram!)
-Whatsapp
-Viber
-Twitter
-Google Maps
-Poweramp (Headphone button service)
-Facebook Messenger
-Hotmail SEVEN
-Vitamio
-Tango
-Rom Manager
-Rom Toolbox
-Script manager
-Voice Search (Google)
-Go weather
-Beautiful Widgets
-Fancy Widgets
-Accuweather & Accuweather quick
-Photofunia (I saw this on terminal with ps command)
-Go keyboard (Ram hog and has 3 background services + connecting internet)
-Blood & Glory (Push service)
-Gun Bros (Push service)
-Eternity Warriors (Push service)
-GT Racing (Push service)
-Go launcher (Sometimes using main memory + cached memory too much ram for a basic launcher)
-Norton security (useless)
-AVG (useless)
-Evernote
-Cach notes (3 services)
-Battery indicator & widget (and apps like that)
-Go!Chat for Facebook
-Google Goggles (Starts on boot) (Saw on terminal)
-Volume Control +
-Magic Locker
-Milocker
-Agile Lock
More apps will be added in next days.
Tips.
-Most of glu mobile games have push service. Go game settings to turn off it.
-Don't use much widgets and folders. If possible just use search or nothing.
-Use agressive LMK settings but not much. If you use more than 80mb lmk settings, all processes will be killed during playing, but they will restart again and will be killed again again again. This will fall into loop. This will cause cpu overhead.
-Don't use EXT4. Because ext4 has more cpu overheads which causes micro lags on games.
-Turn off background data during play. Or contact sync, calendar storage, gmail and more services will use cpu and will cause micro lags.
-Delete most of bloatware and take more ram. You can use my list.
-Don't use livewallpapers.
-Use zipalign script.
-If you're not interest with 720p video recording use a bigmem kernel.
-Overclock more than 1200+ mhz with tegrak overclock app.
-Change your CPU governor with voltage control app to ondemand or smartass for games.
More tips will be added when I remember more. I hope this will help you.
Now a safelist to replace apps.
Keyboard
Use this ICS keyboard with 4-8 mb ram.
But don't use this ICS KEYBOARD which consuming 24 mb ram.
Launcher
I highly recommend using ADW Launcher EX. You can combine it with ICS theme. Generally my launcher consuming 9-13 mb ram with 4 shortcuts and search widget + this theme.
But don't use SPB Shell 3D, Go launcher or Regina launcher or ADW free.
Thank you, I' ll keep attention on this!
Kinda sucks when Facebook consumes so much RAM. The devs really know what they are doing... /sarcasm
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Kinda sucks when Facebook consumes so much RAM. The devs really know what they are doing... /sarcasm
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Useless app. I'm using imo beta for facebook chat or google talk.
What about zeam launcher? Is it a good replacement?
sefira said:
What about zeam launcher? Is it a good replacement?
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Zeam hogs too much memory with last update. Still not bad.
Thanks, I will still stick with it though, for its simplicity.
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Thanks, I will still stick with it though, for its simplicity.
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Zeam is best launcher on ICS for me. Looks so sweet and fast + HW accelerated. You can stick with it long term.
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Kinda sucks when Facebook consumes so much RAM. The devs really know what they are doing... /sarcasm
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I freeze facebook via titanium backup, and unfreeze before use, helps a lot. JVU seems to use a lot less memory (than JVT)
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Titanium backup is always on ram too.
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You can kill Titanium backup background process, it will then no longer consume memory
With JVU, If I kill everything, I have about 190Mb free RAM. I used to only have about 165Mb free on JVT.
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You can kill Titanium backup background process, it will then no longer consume memory
With JVU, If I kill everything, I have about 190Mb free RAM. I used to only have about 165Mb free on JVT.
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Nice topic... But where are listed "friendly replacements"?
Thanks for the list. How can I track what apps are silently eating away my free ram? Despite following both your lists I only have 114mb free after a reboot.
I'm using LauncherPro and its only using 11mb with 8 folders, some app shortcuts and no widgets.
AlexandreT said:
Thanks for the list. How can I track what apps are silently eating away my free ram? Despite following both your lists I only have 114mb free after a reboot.
I'm using LauncherPro and its only using 11mb with 8 folders, some app shortcuts and no widgets.
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First of all thank you for starting this thread, great idea!
On topic; THE FACEBOOK APP IS SO BAD.Its a RAM hog, a battery hog.. everything!
I removed the Facebook app about a month ago and have been using the web version instead, its actually better than the app itself(no FCs and crashes). Also you'll save RAM and battery.
I support you project.. the SGS is a great gaming device, its just badly written apps (and some poor RAM management by Android) that are using our phones power thats causing some lag !
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You can kill Titanium backup background process, it will then no longer consume memory
With JVU, If I kill everything, I have about 190Mb free RAM. I used to only have about 165Mb free on JVT.
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What happens if you try to freeze Titanium backup in the program? LOL I hope it's smart enough not to let you, not going to try it myself.
Interesting to hear about memory in JVU. It seems my phone always has about 190MB available when I first start it but then this inevitably withers down to about 120MB over a week or so depending on what I am doing.
I don't know enough about android memory management to know whether this is really significant (or will the OS just clear the memory if it needs it anyways?) but it sure does seem like heavier games are way happier right after a reboot in my limited experience.
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What happens if you try to freeze Titanium backup in the program? LOL I hope it's smart enough not to let you, not going to try it myself.
Interesting to hear about memory in JVU. It seems my phone always has about 190MB available when I first start it but then this inevitably withers down to about 120MB over a week or so depending on what I am doing.
I don't know enough about android memory management to know whether this is really significant (or will the OS just clear the memory if it needs it anyways?) but it sure does seem like heavier games are way happier right after a reboot in my limited experience.
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Close android core apps and close settings at last. And look at task manager.
1.2 Flashed ,, Language problem has not fixed yet.
I stopped using the facebook app some time ago and switched to the mobile website.
I recently installed "Friendcaster". It's an alternative facebook app. If you disable the notification functionality it doesn't run in the background when you close it