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No useful info in this, but just a story that me and my friend found so funny, I thought I would post it.
So my Apple fanboy friend Colin decided to go and pick up the iPhone4 today. He knows how I feel about Android, and hes also admitted that after seeing all the features of my Nexus One that he has no doubt that Android is dominant over Apples OS. But he still decided to get one, as hes one of those “I just need an iPhone cause its an iPhone “ people. No problem. So I go to T-Mobile with him to watch him seal his fate and sell his soul to Steve Jobs.
We walk in the store and ask for an iPhone 4 to play with, and since there wasn’t one on display (guess people steal them) they said we can play with the model they have open to the public if we do it in the presence of one of the T-Mobile employees. Again, no problem.
So the lady comes up and pulls the glorified app launcher out of her pocket and hands it to him. He starts to play with it and asks me “does your Nexus One have a larger display?”. I pull it out and lay it down next to the “can only hold me with a certain hand and in a certain manner if you want me to even half ass work” device. Now keep in mind, Im American and my friend is British, but we both live in Berlin, Germany. When I lay my phone down next to the iFLOPPED, she says in German “oh you cant even compare the iPhone to any Android phone. It s just on another level”. I smile, as I can speak German, but I didn’t want to take on a salesman with my half ass broken German. I just smile and he asks if she speaks English. Then then replies in perfectly spoken English “why yes, I lived in the UK for many years”. I almost got an erection….
So I nicely ask her…”when you said its on another level, could you give me an example how”? She replies “ where do I start? Firstly, the camera is great. It has a 5mp camera that’s much better than the 3GS model”. I say “So does mine”. She then says “ It shoots video in very high quality 720p”. I replied “um..yeah so does mine” (who cares if a hack did it..it still does ) She then says “Something that’s also been added is that the phone can now multitask with all the apps you want in the background. I replied “um, no it cant". I then said (thank God I had Quickdesk installed) “what it can do is have specified applications that can be chosen to run in parallel to one another, like this” ( I then used quickdesk to show EXACTLY what the iPhones “multitasking looks like and does). I then said, “true multitasking can do this…” I then loaded up my SNES emulator, booted Donkey Kong Country, started playing, then turned on Eminems new Recovery album and had it running in the background, turned on Fring and left it running in the background, and then went to Google Talk and messaged my friend Rene that I would swing by his house later and went back to the game, right on the level I left it. Thankfully, my Enomther rooted Nexus didn’t skip a beat.
So at this point, she starts to get upset. Colin is chuckling to himself but is a bit embarrassed. He then asks “so how much can I buy it for without a contract”? She says “you cant actually buy the phone without a contract right now”. I say “that’s strange. My phone is 6 months old, has done everything that you claim only your iPhone can do, and I got it for 400 euros NEW WITHOUT CONTRACT” (eBay auction sniped in the last 15 seconds ) . After adding up the insane amount of money he would have to pay for the iPhone in the end if he renewed his contract, he put the phone down and just said “hmm..”.
So now shes getting VERY upset. Not only have I just proven her to be a salesman who doesnt know **** about Android OR the iPhones OS, she asks impatiently “so did you want to upgrade?” I then playfully say “yeah Colin. After the way the iPhone just pretty much owned my Nexus with everything she just said, youd be dumb not to buy it right”? She then took the iPhone, walked over to her manager and talked to him for like 2 minutes. They both came back and the manager says “Im sorry sir, but we re going to have to ask you to leave the store. If your friend wishes to upgrade, you will need to wait outside. Colin then says “its ok..I think I wanna have a think about it before I upgrade”. I say thank you to the manager and that “im sorry if I made anyone upset. I just wanted to defend my phone agains the comment the lady said about it earlier”. We then walked out, and Colin starts BUSTING out laughing. But the GREATEST thing is that 30 minutes later, we walked into Vodafone, and we walked out 20 minutes later….with his brand new Nexus One (and hes LOVING it).
Now, if she would have known her stuff, she could have said “it has a front facing camera, higher screen resolution, ect (which I could have still countered with “useless if your friends don’t all have smartphones, blah blah). But she didn’t. Sorry, but I work as a marketing manager and did sales before. So if your gonna attack something Im passionate about, you better know your stuff.
Whats the moral of this story? Simple. If your gonna be an Apple fanboy..fine. But if you want to enter a debate with an Android user, KNOW YOUR STUFF, because we certainly do. (thanks to the awesome and intelligent as FOOK Android community)
Just thought you guys might find that story as funny as we did.
Edit: BTW, I dont encourage making anyone lose a sale at ANY type of store. What I did was self defense, not provocation.
Do you mean ATT? Anyway good story.
Oops, must have missed the UK part in my initial read through.
Blueman101 said:
Do you mean ATT? Anyway good story.
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Nah...ATT is U.S only. Only T-Mobile sells the iPhone4 over here in Germany, and only Vodafone has the Nexus One.
Of course they don't give a crap about phones like a geek does. All she wants is to make the commission off of the sale. It's her job, not a hobby like it is for people like us. So of course they will kick you out if You interfere with their business making money.
RogerPodacter said:
Of course they don't give a crap about phones like a geek does. All she wants is to make the commission off of the sale. It's her job, not a hobby like it is for people like us. So of course they will kick you out if You interfere with their business making money.
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WRONG. First rules of sales are "ABC" (always be a closer) and KNOW YOUR PRODUCT LIKE THE BACK OF YOUR HAND. She didnt, and at the same time SHE DOGGED MY PHONE. Thats the ONLY reason I said anything. If she would have known her product like she should, firstly she wouldnt have tried to sneak a low blow on my Nexus, and more importantly she would have had ALOT more features she could have named to defend their most popular product.
Edit: And the fact that I like to know what I pay damn near 550 U.S dollars for doesnt make me a geek. I like to know what I invest my money in, and at the same time I like to know the competition and the alternatives
I didn't know people actually did that irl.
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I didn't know people actually did that irl.
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Didnt actually do what exactly? Argue with a salesman?
I guess she's used to people who want the iPhone to be the types that are just dazzled by the design and taken in by the marketing.
Still, your mate made the right choice in the end
you sounded like a douche there
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you sounded like a douche there
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Heh. Agreed!
Dude all she wanted to do was make the commission money. The iPhone has one of the higher commission for the sales person out of any other phone. To her its just some stupid job that pays her bills, not some smartphone war between geeks.
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Didnt actually do what exactly? Argue with a salesman?
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I didn't realized there were volunteer spokepeople for products, let alone get into it with a salesperson trying to earn a buck.
Yeah, she wants to make a commission, so what? His friend wanted to get a value for money smartphone. He probably wouldn't have if you were there.
If I were the sales person I'd say something like "I don't go to your job and knock the d!cks out of your mouth!"
Look everyone... the OP has a point. She should have done her homework instead of B.S.'ing his friend "to make a buck". Since she didn't... a Vodaphone salesperson made a buck instead. That's capitalism.
OP, I don't think you were a douche... you didn't whip out your phone until your friend asked about screen size, and you didn't really diss the iPhone so much as you simply pointed out that your 6 month old N1 could do the same. You're fine...don't listen to these guys.
i dont get what everybody's deal is, "trying to make a buck". Know your god damn product and sell it well. its not like he did it to be a ****. she asked.
Nice story, the sales person should know their product, especially if they attack another product. If you're going to make statements back them up. Oh and if I was you're friend who just witness you being asked to leave the store, I would just politely say that I wouldn't buy the phone from this store anymore and that it was bad customer service.
She should say that the iPhone 4 can drop calls on command. That's one thing no Android phone will ever be able to do.
That's a story I know too well. I know what I want and no salesrep has so far been able to sell me something. Even when I WANT to be convinced that buying the phone I want is a smart choise, they still can't win over my more sensible side
And this being an iPhone only makes the story more entertaining :-D
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chronopc said:
She should say that the iPhone 4 can drop calls on command. That's one thing no Android phone will ever be able to do.
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Damn, they got us there...
why don't we do the same thing like the guys wil LG Optimus did? they posted questions all over their Facebook site and Twitter.... how about a group effort to do the same?
We've done that in the past with various phones. Samsung/Sprint just don't seem to care.
othan1 said:
We've done that in the past with various phones. Samsung/Sprint just don't seem to care.
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Well let's do it again. These phones are Samsung's best sellers. We should be able to give them a run for their money. I didn't pay 500$ for an antiquity(YES i bought it).
apatcas said:
Well let's do it again. These phones are Samsung's best sellers. We should be able to give them a run for their money. I didn't pay 500$ for an antiquity(YES i bought it).
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Bought mine too - but it really didn't get anything solved for the 1.5 Hero kernel source - they still released it on their own schedule.
you know im just impressed that this worked for LG and when i even suggest this here everyone just gives the **** up... i mean really? do you think it will hurt our chances to get an update? people are so used to taking **** and just eating it up.
nothing in this world will just coincidently land in your lap.
here's the link... http://www.facebook.com/SamsungGalaxyS
I asked. didn't hurt me to type. then again i actually fought for a lot of stuff in life.
Its not about eating he piles of utter bs they feed us with a snow shovel, its the simple fact that they will release it on their own internal schedule and unless your giving the project manager head under his desk 9-5 then the ammount you ***** about the update matters to them about as much as one of their 8 year old production line workers complaining that they are hungry or just lost a finger in a machine. Complain all you want, they have their cash now and they can do as they please. Now wether or not what they do is a good business decision for keeping and maintaining a happy customer base is a totally different situation. In all actuality the people on this and other SGS boards are in the minority, just audible enough to cause a fuss and make them release a generic statement that all public companies would that won't effect stock prices. The other 70% of customers couldn't give two air ****s what 2.2 is or what the hell kernel or source actually mean othe than popcorn and original copy.
Now as far as it working for LG. You show m where they said "no you can't have it" and then said "ok well you *****ed and threatend law suits enough here it is" I may believe that they actually released it based on consumer pressure and demands, other wise they did the same thing every company does. Develop a product, change their mind 7 times a week, finally get something that is "ok" but in all reality is mediocre because of the politics involved internally, test it, fix it, lather, rinse, repeat as necessary, release to the customer and in the process shut the people up who are *****ing and won't be happy even when its done because someones $15 dollar sub standard blue tooth headset won't pair or an app in the market that used to work fine fcs now.
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Like I've said before: Sprint has people deliberately "leak" updates to quiet down the tech crowd by throwing them a bone now and again. We also do their beta testing for them on a large scale. Do you think that Sprint engineers don't comb these boards for good ideas?
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Like I've said before: Sprint has people deliberately "leak" updates to quiet down the tech crowd by throwing them a bone now and again. We also do their beta testing for them on a large scale. Do you think that Sprint engineers don't comb these boards for good ideas?
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Ofcourse they do,thats buisness...And the real reason 2.2/2.2.1 didnt come out sooner,work really didnt start till about a month and a half ago,and there is still no real rush.Have you noticed how many EVO commercials are on tv now,and pretty much no more epic commercials.Its because they need to sell as many of those phones as possible for reasons unknown.But there is a big push to sell those phones.Yes they held back on 2.2 to patch some things in 2.2.1,mostly root,but that was like 3 days extra work at most.
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SamsungMobileUS: Seeking To Defuse Tensions, Samsung Opens Dialogue With XDA-Dev Forum - http://ow.ly/3X2cL @SamsungJohn
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I'd say the rants of people saying they're never going Samsung again seems to be paying off?
XtaC318 said:
I'd say the rants of people saying they're never going Samsung again seems to be paying off?
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No pay day yet. This is Sammy's way of confessing they have been trying to do it their way instead of please the customer for too long.
It still remains to be seen what they actually DO about it.
We all know what pathway good intentions paved =]
The bottom line is until sammy gets the carriers in line, and froyo gets released before its 1st birthday! People will rant with good reason. Btw gingerbread has been out for like 3 months! We have a top of the line device running an os from 2009. Honestly I love the hardware but I can't handle this bad os support.
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Whoever even buys another Samsung flagship phone with the belief that they learned their lesson deserves what they are going to get and shouldn't complain anymore. If you haven't realized what their intent is, which is maximum profit with the least effort, while actually making it seem like they kind of care with PR rep's that promise things that they cant' actually commit to. INB4C
My friend asked me what phone he should buy, and looked at the Galaxy S2 and the Motorola Atrix. It was a no brainer which phone was the winner. Go Atrix! Pre-ordered and waiting! He was waiting for a nice dual core phone, but after the mess he has heard from me with Samsung, he said he definitely doesn't want to go through the same thing. To be honest, this crap is making me sick to my stomach just talking about anymore, cause we've all been crapped on, and it doesn't feel nice.
I'm not surprised in the least that Samsung would think that this meaningless gesture would diffuse this issue, but I'm honestly SHOCKED that "Xda leaders" would put any thought into this. I suspect they're making money off this, somehow.
This site has lost its way badly.
At least it's a start and shows Samsung at least recognizes they've pissed off some people. It's better than what they've been doing which has been a whole lot of nothing.
re: XDA profiting... maybe request some transparency on the issue??? Besides, I thought they were in bed with HTC, like Sprint...? (hehehehe )
Y'all getting played ... Pay attention.
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enlighten us on how were being played... I love a good conspiracy theory...
I HEARD... Samsung sent John to distract attention from the fact that they are currently in hostage negotiations with Sprint, the suitcase full of cash is in transit, and Noobnl has the code to unlock it, but he refuses to share it with anyone because he only cares about glory, so he is meeting John at sxsw to listen to crappy emo music and make the handoff. And THEN Sprint will begin work on adding SprintID and a new, improved, constant Nascar streaming app, which can in no way be turned off. Oh, and HTC assassins are waiting there to shoot Noob so that they can still claim that the EVO is the flagship phone, and artificially make supply of the phone backordered to give the impression to the common consumer that it is not a giant POS. Did I miss anything?
I've never owned a Samsung phone before the Epic. It is my first and MY LAST. HEAR ME SAMSUNG? YOU BLEW IT.
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enlighten us on how were being played... I love a good conspiracy theory...
I HEARD... Samsung sent John to distract attention from the fact that they are currently in hostage negotiations with Sprint, the suitcase full of cash is in transit, and Noobnl has the code to unlock it, but he refuses to share it with anyone because he only cares about glory, so he is meeting John at sxsw to listen to crappy emo music and make the handoff. And THEN Sprint will begin work on adding SprintID and a new, improved, constant Nascar streaming app, which can in no way be turned off. Oh, and HTC assassins are waiting there to shoot Noob so that they can still claim that the EVO is the flagship phone, and artificially make supply of the phone backordered to give the impression to the common consumer that it is not a giant POS. Did I miss anything?
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Careful....there's many a self-demonstrated poster in these forums that will actually, seriously, believe that too. *g*
Here's to hoping open exchange of dialogue will soon become exchange of sources and binaries!
Honestly, this was my first Samsung phone in about ten years is so far, it's my last.
It's not the lack of Froyo, this is just a simple annoyance. What killed it is GPS that works like crap, barely functioning accelorometer, retarded hardcoded GPS accuracy refusal to do anything about these two issues. I have a bad feeling that the last bug isn't a bug at all, but an attempt to cover up poorly functioning GPS on this phone. If I was Colbert, I'd wag my finger at them.
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and.... how does this help me???
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Do they sell the car docks now? I've seen them on Sammy's web page since launch, but I have been unable to find a single place where it is for sale.
And you do know that the Epic isn't "a year fukin old" yet, don't you? It was announced in June and launched at the end of August which makes it only 6 months old for consumers.
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2.2 - year old by now.
ungovernable1977 said:
enlighten us on how were being played... I love a good conspiracy theory...
I HEARD... Samsung sent John to distract attention from the fact that they are currently in hostage negotiations with Sprint, the suitcase full of cash is in transit, and Noobnl has the code to unlock it, but he refuses to share it with anyone because he only cares about glory, so he is meeting John at sxsw to listen to crappy emo music and make the handoff. And THEN Sprint will begin work on adding SprintID and a new, improved, constant Nascar streaming app, which can in no way be turned off. Oh, and HTC assassins are waiting there to shoot Noob so that they can still claim that the EVO is the flagship phone, and artificially make supply of the phone backordered to give the impression to the common consumer that it is not a giant POS. Did I miss anything?
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I will buy that for a dollar....LOL
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Any Twitter/FB spammers reading??? Can you confirm this yourself... another conspiracy... oh my!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=955776
would be funny if it were true... and then SJ does a little dance 'hey! look over here!' hehehe...
im just finding this all funny at this point...
Hi I'm samsungjohn, just wanted to let you guys know that I'm just using this pr to gain rank within the amsung corporation. I figured if I was able to convince everyone to stick with samsung and to keep buying samsung, that I will be soon promoted. In reality I am jus doing this for a job. I don't even own a samsung phone. I own an LG, but thank you for listening to me and allowing me to pull your strings....Public Actions speak louder than words....oh and by the way. The Truth Is What You Make It, and Who You get To Believe In It.
No worries I'm just poking fun at this all. If people have gotten offended by it then the truth lies within the offended. Lol
now if Samsung were to really/officially be changing fo the people they would skip over froyo and be the first to update every galaxy s series to gingerbread. Or at least get froyo out and gingerbread soon after.
And powers at be, feel free to delete or modify this if you like. I've already gotten past the point of anger, and this whole samsung update bs is just a joke to me now. Samsung makes great dumb phones but a smart phone is just isn't worth it.
Too late, too slow, too little.
Samsung unfortunately is still working on the feature-phone timelines. What they (and most other android phone makers, with the possible exception of HTC) seem to not quite understand is that these smartphones are true computers now, and need to be treated as such. The OS is an integral part of phone, perhaps the most important part, and people will not tolerate a company that refuses to update an OS that both has critical bugs (and yes, the GPS bug is a CRITICAL bug), and appears incapable of utilizing the hardware it's surrounded by. It's like Microsoft refusing to repair a Windows bug that kept all printers only printing in black and white. It's almost worse that the hardware is so good, and is being crippled by a poorly customized OS (like tantalus, nearby but unreachable relief is far worse than no possibility of relief at all).
It's going to take a really big step to mollify those that have been burned by this generation of samsung's smartphones. Samsung, if your listening. You've pissed off many of your most important phone buyers. These are the people who less tech-savvy people ask for advice on phones, and for every 1 XDA member offended by your apparent lack of desire to properly support your equipment, you probably lose at least 10 referral sales to companies like HTC.
My recommendation, at least open the source code for the devs to look at, and if you're having software quality problems (and that's the reason you can't get froyo out the door), invite some of the best devs to take a look at the proprietary modules that you're having problems with. Work with the community and you may maintain some degree of support for your next generation of phones. But keep trying to astroturf them, or worse yet, pull a Behold 2 on them, and watch out as your current market lead could easily change next generation.
This is the phone I was waiting to get. Received good reviews at majority of sites.
But reading about all the nightmares on every forums, all the bugs, everyone returning/exchanging it,etc.
I played with one at store for over an hour and it seemed very quick with not too many problems. I liked but its not enough time to see all the problems.
The Bell store here is selling it for $0 now on a contract. That's how desperate they are to get rid of it.
So in 10 days the price was already chopped twice.
Am I really going to have to go thru 5 units to find a decent working one?
I can live with a locked bootloader for now but everyday a new issue seems to be coming up.
It seems like this phone is a year away from being done/updated.
What are the main problems/defects I should check on before exchanging for another to make sure I'm not stuck with a crappy model.
Thanks.
Wished Motorola would get their heads out their asses with all their products.
Come out with something good then they do everything they can to **** it up somehow. You can tell them you'll sell millions of their crappy stock and they still would not unlock the bootloader. That's how seriously stupid they are.
btw, I'm actually a Motorola shareholder. Thankfully Motorola Solutions is not a complete loser.
I came from a captivate and Nexus one. I dont have any glaring issues - theres ALWAYS *****ing for every phone whenever its released. Take everything you read on forums with a grain of salt.
I've never had one issue with mine. People just like to ***** no matter how great the device is.
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I have had ZERO problems with my phone out of the box. Same goes for 2 other people I know personally.
One just doesn't like Blur.
My brother used it as his primary computer since he got it and can't stop extolling the virtues of Webtop.
He's an IT professional and coordinated a 13+ site migration from one network to another ALL from the Laptop dock.
Some of the sites he was at didn't have wifi so he was using webtop over AT&T for his ONLY connection.
Said he spent more time trouble shooting his laptop the one day he forgot the charger for the Laptop Dock then he spent troubleshooting the phone or laptop dock for the entire 2 weeks.
If citrix is a big part of your life this phone could revolutionize your life.
No problems here. I haven't experienced any bugs except for the touch screen wigging out after a 12 second hold in one place.
It is a little disconcerting that Bell has decided to drop the price only a few weeks into launch. I hope the community stays strong because I intend on keeping it.
Ditto for me -- I'm using an unlocked AT&T version on Rogers network in Canada --- absolutely LOVE the phone. Came from a Galaxy-S, Captivate, and iPhone 4 before that.
This is the best one by far, and the best android implementation so far for me.
$0 on contract!?! holy ****. just get it!
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This is the phone I was waiting to get. Received good reviews at majority of sites.
But reading about all the nightmares on every forums, all the bugs, everyone returning/exchanging it,etc.
I played with one at store for over an hour and it seemed very quick with not too many problems. I liked but its not enough time to see all the problems.
The Bell store here is selling it for $0 now on a contract. That's how desperate they are to get rid of it.
So in 10 days the price was already chopped twice.
Am I really going to have to go thru 5 units to find a decent working one?
I can live with a locked bootloader for now but everyday a new issue seems to be coming up.
It seems like this phone is a year away from being done/updated.
What are the main problems/defects I should check on before exchanging for another to make sure I'm not stuck with a crappy model.
Thanks.
Wished Motorola would get their heads out their asses with all their products.
Come out with something good then they do everything they can to **** it up somehow. You can tell them you'll sell millions of their crappy stock and they still would not unlock the bootloader. That's how seriously stupid they are.
btw, I'm actually a Motorola shareholder. Thankfully Motorola Solutions is not a complete loser.
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I came from a captivate and Nexus one. I dont have any glaring issues - theres ALWAYS *****ing for every phone whenever its released. Take everything you read on forums with a grain of salt.
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I've never had one issue with mine. People just like to ***** no matter how great the device is.
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andy2na and captaincanada84 are right, some people will ***** just to *****. With that said, I have done my fair share of "complaining" but it's based on my opinion. You really can't go to a forum and ask people if you should buy something because you are going to get both sides of the fence. Just browse the forum and pay attention to what people are praising about and what people are complaining about and try to decide from that. It's really going to come down to YOUR preference.
I love my atrix.
My only problem is the facebook contact sync because of moto blur, I am having some issues with it not updating my contacts pictures.
Battery life is awesome I am sometimes in disbelief how long the battery lasts 1 day + with everything on and actually using the phone which is a must..
My phone doesn't randomly reboot I don't know about other people.
As for the locked bootloader I'm not in a rush. I have launcher pro and root so thats all I need.
Previous phones. G1, Nexus one, Dell Streak.
Dude what Bell store is that? It's still $69.95 on the Bell site.
You just need to remember that nobody goes to a forum to state that everything is working perfectly, they only post when they have a problem. So, you have to keep that in mind.
I've been running my Atrix since it was first released and it's been very stable. My only issue is it seems to not like my AT&T microcell too much. I get dropped connections when on my microcell. Works fine eveywhere else. It's a huge improvement over my Nexus 1.
Also think about how many people are using the phone that don't read forums... So far I am extremely happy with this phone. I usually hate upgrading because there is always another phone better right around the corner, but you'll find yourself waiting forever in that case. My only dislike is the facebook integration in blur breaking contact syncing.
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Dude what Bell store is that? It's still $69.95 on the Bell site.
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Yes, please tell. I know a lot of people looking for an Atrix right now and would kill for that. If I weren't on a great retention rate plan with Rogers I'd get that in a heartbeat.
Thanks for replies everyone.
I think a lot of the negativity is people trying to trash a new device or envy. Plus it gets popular to trash any locked phone these days.
I've been waiting to get this phone since it was announced. The 4" screen seems perfect in size. Had no problem looking at the pentile graphics.
Its just scary to see the price drop so fast, it rarely happens here in Canada unless something is a super flop like the Samsung Tab, idk.
But I'm mostly going to get it in a few days and hopefully there's a good future with it and developers on here. Always learn something new. Some people are just to lazy to play around with the phone to get the max out of it.
How is the overheating? It seemed rather warm at the store.
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Dude what Bell store is that? It's still $69.95 on the Bell site.
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It was in a Bell store in London Ontario.
Dude at Future Shop said he'd be match the 0$ too.
Makes me think twice when stores do that compared to whinny kids on forums because money talks and its obviously not selling that well.
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It was in a Bell store in London Ontario.
Dude at Future Shop said he'd be match the 0$ too.
Makes me think twice when stores do that compared to whinny kids on forums because money talks and its obviously not selling that well.
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Yea I asked Bell why the price drop to $69.95 and they said "because we like to give our customers a discount", which is total BS, but it's not like they're going to flat out tell me the device is a flop.
If you want to pick it up I would suggest getting it soon because according to the Bell reps I talked to the sale ends on March 31st.
Elliott
Patience All devices are judged pretty harshly at the beginning.. You just got to reap from the benefits with a slashed price!
I'm completely happy with mine- it's fast, the screen is beautiful and it's got more internal storage than I need. If you're not a fan of motoblur, gingerblur will make you happy!
Go ahead and take the plunge.
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Yea I asked Bell why the price drop to $69.95 and they said "because we like to give our customers a discount", which is total BS, but it's not like they're going to flat out tell me the device is a flop.
If you want to pick it up I would suggest getting it soon because according to the Bell reps I talked to the sale ends on March 31st.
Elliott
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Its hard to believe they'll put it back to the original price after the "sale" with all the new other smartphones coming but who knows.
More worried about Bell taking forever with updates. This with 2.3 and then 2.4 will just scream.
i love this phone to death.
best phone i have ever had.
The ability to turn into a PC is the biggest plus. This phone has so much potential. Honestly what motorola does with the bootloader and such sucks, but so long as we can at least root/sideload, personally, I am completely fine with that.
Motorola also stated that every one of their phones in the future will have webtop. So I will be sticking with motorola android phones (specially once Tegra 3D comes out) for a while until a better company has a similar PC like feature embedded on the phone. Can't go wrong with the powerful atrix! Emulators and games run SO smooth... love it.
So we all know about the cracked edges issue, and you've probably also heard that even the "new batch" and the LTE model are still prone to cracking.
Yesterday I posted a petition on the geforce forum to bring attention to the issue and to demand a statement from NVIDIA regarding what their plan is to rectify the issue. Today I was shadowbanned, which means that nothing informed me that I was banned, but all my posts and threads are not visible to anyone else. So now the petition is down a black hole. I have NO IDEA why I was banned, but it was likely an attempt to erase the petition, as I didn't do anything inflammatory in the past couple days, and this is not a normal account suspension (those let you know you're temp banned). This is a shady shadowban where they don't want anyone to know that I'm banned. They just want to silently erase every post and thread I've ever made.
Here's where I need your help. Nvidia is obviously trying to sweep the continuing cracked edge saga under the rug. I would appreciate it if anyone who also frequents the nvidia community could make a new topic to start a new petition to demand a response about the cracked edges, and also to let people know what happened to me.
We shouldn't let them get away with this. Thanks.
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So we all know about the cracked edges issue, and you've probably also heard that even the "new batch" and the LTE model are still prone to cracking.
Yesterday I posted a petition on the geforce forum to bring attention to the issue and to demand a statement from NVIDIA regarding what their plan is to rectify the issue. Today I was shadowbanned, which means that nothing informed me that I was banned, but all my posts and threads are not visible to anyone else. So now the petition is down a black hole. I have NO IDEA why I was banned, but it was likely an attempt to erase the petition, as I didn't do anything inflammatory in the past couple days, and this is not a normal account suspension (those let you know you're temp banned). This is a shady shadowban where they don't want anyone to know that I'm banned. They just want to silently erase every post and thread I've ever made.
Here's where I need your help. Nvidia is obviously trying to sweep the continuing cracked edge saga under the rug. I would appreciate it if anyone who also frequents the nvidia community could make a new topic to start a new petition to demand a response about the cracked edges, and also to let people know what happened to me.
We shouldn't let them get away with this. Thanks.
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Yes I saw that this morning. Quite disgraceful. I see they deleted your thread on Gamergate too some days ago.
If this is the way that Nvidia conducts both its Android device business and its customer support forums then it has lost me completely as a potential customer. This action is the last straw for me, my decision is made to totally avoid Nvidia, I shall delete my GeForce forum bookmarks and not visit there anymore. I do not wish to be part of that debacle any longer.
All in all it is a shabby state of affairs.
ps I have seen you over on FreakTab, I am considering PiPO as the way for me to go next.
I hear yea' man, this isn't cool.
My device burnt me and must of been near combustion, and is now finally after two months crumbling at the corners.
When speaking to support, they were LYING TO ME and just running me through a loop.
"The issue has been resolved in the new replacements"
"Uhh, I was just on YOUR forums reading the opposite... "
Like, they didn't even have to lie to me...
I would of been civil and tried to work something out.
But instead they just want to keep sending out disfunctional and DANGEROUS items and tell me it's okay now?
No, it's not. I have a daughter about to be born and I'd rather not have a fire / choking hazard around.
I sort of wanted to like use the thing to help teach my daughter things through a touch interface, but you know.
I'm scared it'll kill her.
What a freakin' shame.
And to be shadow banning is beyond corrupt now.
Do they think we're all complete idiots who can't communicate if we're blocked somewhere?
That the issue will go away?
Give me back my money and apologizing for wasting my time, lying to us.
Criminal.
Decided to go green for GPU's this year (I sell prebuilds on the side).
WELL, that was a short ride.
PS 4k Downsampling has always been possible on any modern gpu, don't let Nvidia fool you into thinking it's a 900 series feature.
Another thing you likely won't hear make the news articles.
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I hear yea' man, this isn't cool.
My device burnt me and must of been near combustion, and is now finally after two months crumbling at the corners.
When speaking to support, they were LYING TO ME and just running me through a loop.
"The issue has been resolved in the new replacements"
"Uhh, I was just on YOUR forums reading the opposite... "
Like, they didn't even have to lie to me...
I would of been civil and tried to work something out.
But instead they just want to keep sending out disfunctional and DANGEROUS items and tell me it's okay now?
No, it's not. I have a daughter about to be born and I'd rather not have a fire / choking hazard around.
I sort of wanted to like use the thing to help teach my daughter things through a touch interface, but you know.
I'm scared it'll kill her.
What a freakin' shame.
And to be shadow banning is beyond corrupt now.
Do they think we're all complete idiots who can't communicate if we're blocked somewhere?
That the issue will go away?
Give me back my money and apologizing for wasting my time, lying to us.
Criminal.
Decided to go green for GPU's this year (I sell prebuilds on the side).
WELL, that was a short ride.
PS 4k Downsampling has always been possible on any modern gpu, don't let Nvidia fool you into thinking it's a 900 series feature.
Another thing you likely won't hear make the news articles.
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I don't know if you have an account on geforce forum, but please post the same thing there. we need to voice our opinion on this and be more proactive. warn others if nvidia doesnt respond. it is ridiculous.
Your posts are back on the forum, and it shows you are now suspended.
Does it tell you for how long?
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Your posts are back on the forum, and it shows you are now suspended.
Does it tell you for how long?
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HHAAAA. Maybe they were like...
"Oh **** these really hardcore techies (the only people who would use their forums) are on to us just trying to make them vanish and it's making us look like even bigger assholes!"
Uh, yea. I will head over there tomorrow... Gunna' wait for them to ship the new one.. I was going to sell it since they won't refund but then again I wouldn't feel right selling it to anyone.
Had to tell some kids in the gaming section to hold off on buying it, then showed them mine. They were ranting about it and how they can't wait till' they can get one. HA.
"Yoooou guys might wanna' hold off on that one.." They were so confused something like this even made it to market, even as kids. Not idiots.
---------- Post added at 10:55 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:51 PM ----------
"Hey everyone,
Thanks again for hanging in there with us. As some of you have noticed we have started replacing faulty units as quickly as we can.
As a token of our appreciation, 200 random customer tablets will be replaced with a SHIELD Tablet 32 GB LTE tablet. This is totally random and once they are gone that's it.
Enjoy,
--Peter"
It's funny because AFTER that I had a rep tell me that wasn't true..
I asked "Is it true you guys are giving people the upgraded version to try to make up for all of this hassle?"
"No".
"Oh, okay."
OP is too right.
I received my replacement quite a while ago, all packaged up nicely with bubbles and tampering tape. Little did I know this was the same model that I had had before. A crack appeared the week after. I had since already returned my tablet to the retailer and now have a cracked RMA'd tablet in my hands.
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OP is too right.
I received my replacement quite a while ago, all packaged up nicely with bubbles and tampering tape. Little did I know this was the same model that I had had before. A crack appeared the week after. I had since already returned my tablet to the retailer and now have a cracked RMA'd tablet in my hands.
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I really wanted this tablet to be good given it's price point and specifications but I'm not interested in the risk given all the complaints and issues. Keep it up! I'm glad the problems are noted in multiple places. I wouldn't rely on their official forums for unbiased comments anyways so keep up the conversation elsewhere where you can't be censored.
Brothers, the least you can do is go make a review on Amazon.com, which is the defacto website where I go to search up reviews before buying the product. This will save other people a lot of headaches. I already did, and you should too.
Thank God I came to XDA before pulling the trigger on one of these. No lie, I was dead set on getting one in the next 30 minutes.
I'm honestly not too surprised either.
Nvidia doesn't have a strong OEM track record either. Most of the time, if you've purchased a 'Nvidia GPU', you're purchasing a card developed by another OEM which uses Nvidia tech/chips. My understanding is that the Shield is Nvidia OEM- it's an Nvidia chip, on an Nvidia board, in an Nvidia-designed hardware unit. In the US, they only seem to sell Nvidia OEM cards at Best Buy (probably for good reason), so I've never seen Nvidia cards anywhere other than Best Buy, which admittedly, can be pretty spotty at times too.
I'm not sure where all these issues are coming from too- all mine has is weak wifi signal. When I'm in decent range of my AC/N router, the signal is great, but it degrades quickly beyond 4ft away. I've dropped this tablet all over the place, and used it for pretty heavy gaming with K1-optimized titles, and I still have no cracks after a month and a half; Can't say the same about my Nexus 7 though, which is in horrific shape.
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Yes I saw that this morning. Quite disgraceful. I see they deleted your thread on Gamergate too some days ago.
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What the heck does gamergate have to do with an nvidia tablet? Easy to see why that was deleted.
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What the heck does gamergate have to do with an nvidia tablet? Easy to see why that was deleted.
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How very interesting.
Is that really your best response to the topic?
It is a shame such a device has the manufacturing issues. I can say from my experience that Nvidia's support is top notch. I had the screen got out after about 6 months on my Shield Portable and they sent me a new one in just a couple of days. They also RMA'ed my Shield Tablet do to cracking with no issues.
I've just ordered one of these tonight, it's being delivered in the morning. After reading about it here which I should have done first, it will be going straight back unopened.
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Thank God I came to XDA before pulling the trigger on one of these. No lie, I was dead set on getting one in the next 30 minutes.
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Thank heavens! Tell your parents, coworkers and your uncle.
Don't support a product that has the company deleting forum posts and ignoring issues altogether.
If you are still interested in one, it might be worth waiting a year or two, until (if) they hit deal sites as refurbs. I bought a Nexus 7 2013 at launch, and it had all sorts of build issues, but two of my team members got refurb models from Woot recently, and both are in a lot better condition than mine was at launch. >_>
Of course the truth differs greatly from the OP's statements.
He got banned for being an obsessive-compulsive and an outright obnoxious troll, not because of some great crackpot conspiracy regarding his petition or whatever. He also got - at least some of the less offensive - posts returned along with being unbanned, but these kind of facts would just ruin a nice story.
Made up stories are made up. Simple as that. There's a few of these cases on every forum and the Shield Tablet section on Nvidia's forum isn't an exception.
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He got banned for being an obsessive-compulsive and an outright obnoxious troll.
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Back up your facts with proof or get the **** out. Simple...
Diesel779 said:
I've just ordered one of these tonight, it's being delivered in the morning. After reading about it here which I should have done first, it will be going straight back unopened.
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It is an excellent tablet. If you have an issue they will replace it. Use the device and draw your own conclusions. Nvidia has a lot of devices out there and this is just one thread with one disgruntled customer. No company is perfect and in my case at least they have done what needed to be done for my issues.