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I've tried many 3D games, for example:
- Speed Forge 3D
- Quake 1
- Quake 2
- TinyWarz
None of them runs perfectly.
So if you want to be able some smooth 3D games, just pass HTC Hero, take a look at Motorola Milestone (powered by 600Mhz ARM Cortex) it performs way better (even if it has 2x2 larger resolution)
Some comparison videos
hero: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTDdiq21EOc
milestone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7qbqSnLU0
Qualcomm MSM7200A 528 MHz sucks (as i've haven't already know this.. my fault). It really show it's weakness when you run several task at the same time: download someting, listen to music and try to browse the internet/navigate to menus, etc.
I load websites on the browser quite often and the experience is not snappy on complex sites. For example the scrolling in pocketnow.com is so slow..
Beside of the CPU, HTC Hero is a cool phone. Too bad that HTC chosed this poor cpu.
i dont find the phone that bad on games. websites are also fine, on the pocketnow.com site you mentioned i can shoot about the page with blistering speed and i mean drag my finger all over fast with no lag..
Have you tried a different rom?
Speed Forge 3D is fine on my Hero. mcr 3.2 b5
@anarchyuk I haven't tried any ROM. My hero had already the latest HTC firmware..
@deejay300 by fine, do you mean like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSxGrjxuyEU . Compare with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7qbqSnLU0 #0.22
You will see the difference
Much better than the hero video. I would say that that was pretty shocking in that first video. Obviously the hero isn't quite as smooth as the droid but it was pretty close.
Pretty much the same as this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK_d...E2D406D9&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=19
Yeah, poor 3D and 90% of the users don't care.
If you want to play 3D game, buy a console and let people that love the agenda, contacts, GPS, mail, Internet enjoying their device.
They are as you said more strong and better devices for games! Buy them.
What I don't understand is why you even post such a topic, purely to bash the qualcomm cpu?
Reading you're sig makes it even more funny that you nag about the hero, knowing it wouldn't be able to outrun any phone with the same cpu.
So if you expected more it's you're own fault.
As you said 90% of the hero users did know about the 3d performance of the hero and don't nag. Are satisified. Those people thought before they bought.
You obviously didn't, don't come and nag to us about it...
There was a hope that the this qualcomm cpu run better in Android (and as general UI is smoother than WM).
I really don't understand why people just told the good parts of a device. The people should know that htc hero doesn't renders flash video perfectly, for example.
I like Hero, I really like the phone (even if it has many lacks, hope it will be fixed soon) but I want to tell others about its negative aspects. So people which want pure performance should pass this phone.
@profete162 let's be real. I surf a lot and the internet experience is not super great. The load time is not super good. Plus, flash experiance is far from perfect. Not to mention that on some sites the scrolling is soo laggin at least on mine (for eg: pocketnow.com). But yes, internet experience it's way better that the from my ex-WM (Touch Pro) one. I don't use the phone primary for games, but a nice 3D game from time to time it would be nice.
@deejay300 yes, still not smooth..
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There was a hope that the this qualcomm cpu run better in Android (and as general UI is smoother than WM).
I really don't understand why people just told the good parts of a device. The people should know that htc hero doesn't renders flash video perfectly, for example.
I like Hero, I really like the phone (even if it has many lacks, hope it will be fixed soon) but I want to tell others about its negative aspects. So people which want pure performance should pass this phone.
@profete162 let's be real. I surf a lot and the internet experience is not super great. The load time is not super good. Plus, flash experiance is far from perfect. Not to mention that on some sites the scrolling is soo laggin at least on mine (for eg: pocketnow.com). But yes, internet experience it's way better that the from my ex-WM (Touch Pro) one. I don't use the phone primary for games, but a nice 3D game from time to time it would be nice.
@deejay300 yes, still not smooth..
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I think you should try a custom rom instead of the crappy stock htc one! adobe are rumoured to be releasing new versions of flash for certain handsets all the time that will work much better with web flash. So you never know you might get a better experience soon. Not so much if you go by http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/ as the Qualcomm® MSM7200A is arm9!
I'm waiting the official 2.1 update from HTC, there are rumours that it will be released somewhere in march
And about the Flash 10 .. I don't know..
No, the HTC Hero will not be supported b/c it does not have the correct Android OS version and its chipset is not powerful enough. We require a device with an ARM v7 (Cortex) processor. Examples include the Qualcomm Snapdragon chipsets and TI OMAP3 series.
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http://gizmodo.com/5480985/why-most-current-android-phones-will-never-get-flash-101
DSF said:
There was a hope that the this qualcomm cpu run better in Android (and as general UI is smoother than WM).
I really don't understand why people just told the good parts of a device. The people should know that htc hero doesn't renders flash video perfectly, for example.
I like Hero, I really like the phone (even if it has many lacks, hope it will be fixed soon) but I want to tell others about its negative aspects. So people which want pure performance should pass this phone.
@profete162 let's be real. I surf a lot and the internet experience is not super great. The load time is not super good. Plus, flash experiance is far from perfect. Not to mention that on some sites the scrolling is soo laggin at least on mine (for eg: pocketnow.com). But yes, internet experience it's way better that the from my ex-WM (Touch Pro) one. I don't use the phone primary for games, but a nice 3D game from time to time it would be nice.
@deejay300 yes, still not smooth..
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I loved the HTC Hero - but the performance of its video playback was one of the reasons I quit and bought the Google Nexus One, which addresses just about all of the shortcomings. On the Nexus all my video podcasts and itunes music videos play without a glitch. Different roms were great but didn't solve some of the core performance issues. Still, the Hero was the greatest phone I had up until last year (and I had a lot!). It's great how these phones just keep getting better!
I dont see any lagging on my phone with these games.
even not with movies from torrent sites wich are mp4, doesnt matter what size, framerate or whatever they were encoded on, as long as it was mp4 or m4v it was great.
just downloaded the movies as an IPOD movie
One thing I have wondered is why Android is so much further behind in terms of the snappiness and speed of scrolling compared to the iPhone.
Yes, the jerkiness and much of the lag has been completely removed with updates to 2.2 and the newer high-speed processors. However, the difference is extremely apparent even with comparing my 2.2 cyanogen Nexus One to an iPod Touch 2G I happened to pick up today.
The iPod touch's scrolling actually follows your finger, if you rapidly scroll up and down (or left and right), the UI does not lag behind the position of your finger. But on my Nexus One (and even on my friend's Evo with the FPS update), scrolling rarely keeps up with your finger. I even was able to have the page oscillate to the wrong position of my finger by quickly scrolling back and forth.
To me, this is single-handedly one of the most important problems with the Android operating system. Speed is not just the processor, it's how the UI interacts with the user.
My question is - What can we do about it?
It's almost certainly a software issue, unless android phones are using sub-par touch screens, which seems hard to imagine. Is there any way to optimize the sending of touch information to apps?
Just figured I'd throw it out here, as I've yet to find any other posts with similar concerns.
It's because iOS is totally built to support the gpu AKA hardware acceleration. Android OS mainly runs on software, instead of full hardware acceleration. Which is why IOS is much more fluid. But Gingerbread 2.3 is said to have true hardware acceleration, and it's coming soon
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My sentiments exactly. "Speed is not just the processor, it's how the UI interacts with the user."
Its a combination of poor touch sensor, having multitasking and not enough hardware acceleration.
The nexus/desire can barely multitouch so super smooth scrolling may be too much to ask.
Try scrolling in the new youtube app from google on one of the latest phones (sgs,g2,dhd) its super smooth. Everything will be like that come gingerbread
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With an exception in the program list, my HTC Tattoo handles scrolling very well! I am running a Froyo ROM on it that is definitely whats making it fast, and I really look forward for gingerbreads new UI and that it doesn't require too much of the phone as froyo runs great on my tattoo.
It's definitely possible that it's the touchscreen. One thing I did notice however that must be almost certainly part of the software is that there's a "buffer range" when the finger first presses down that the finger must move out of before the scrolling action is started.
Presumably this is to keep from confusing wild presses with scrolls, but on the iPhone that buffer range is far smaller than on the Android platform.
Due to this buffer, the scrolling action only really starts a few hundred milliseconds after I actually touch the screen.
I may find a Verizon store and check out some of the newer phones, I'm curious if they'll work better, than my Nexus One.
Dunno but there are some app's where scroling is smooth whereas it isnt with others, so I dont thinks it's all up to the touchscreen of my desire, for example the launcher pro app drawer is extremely smooth compared to the htc one and so on
I checked out a Verizon store, and I still have to say that there's definitely something off about the smoothness. Anyone who disagrees hasn't tried an Android phone side-by-side to an iPhone.
It also doesn't seem to be something that GPU acceleration could fix:
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A one year old NexusOne (and other devices before) is perfectly capable of scrolling a list at close to 60fps (limited by the display’s refresh rate.)
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So the problem is really either the screen refresh rate, or the slight hiccup when starting the scroll. Other than that, I really can't determine the differing factor, especially since I'm comparing Android to a iPod Touch 2g; nothing that would have significant processing power.
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I checked out a Verizon store, and I still have to say that there's definitely something off about the smoothness. Anyone who disagrees hasn't tried an Android phone side-by-side to an iPhone.
It also doesn't seem to be something that GPU acceleration could fix:
So the problem is really either the screen refresh rate, or the slight hiccup when starting the scroll. Other than that, I really can't determine the differing factor, especially since I'm comparing Android to a iPod Touch 2g; nothing that would have significant processing power.
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just use a different launcher. Launcher pro and zeam are incredibly smooth
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just use a different launcher. Launcher pro and zeam are incredibly smooth
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I'm not even using the Launcher. Specifically I've been testing on Astro File Manager (which seems to be the smoothest android application with a long list to use) and the new Youtube app which supposedly has a few optimizations of some sort.
Doesn't the android OS lack gpu acceleration?? Thus Apple devices are smoother
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That's true, but look at the comments on this page from Romain Guy himself:
http://www.curious-creature.org/201...-and-tips-tricks/comment-page-1/#comment-4928
According to him, GPU acceleration isn't much of the problem.
Hi Everyone,
I just got my first Android Tablet and am pretty much in love with it.
HOWEVER, my GF got an iPad2 and of course we couldn't help but compare the two devices.
Overall, Android wins in terms of functionality and features, but with regards to RESPONSIVENESS, the Acer is BLOWN AWAY. The animations, transitions, scrolling, panning, zooming, everything is much better on the iPad.
Is this the case for all our iconias or is it just mine?
Thanks in advance.
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Hi Everyone,
I just got my first Android Tablet and am pretty much in love with it.
HOWEVER, my GF got an iPad2 and of course we couldn't help but compare the two devices.
Overall, Android wins in terms of functionality and features, but with regards to RESPONSIVENESS, the Acer is BLOWN AWAY. The animations, transitions, scrolling, panning, zooming, everything is much better on the iPad.
Is this the case for all our iconias or is it just mine?
Thanks in advance.
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You have brand new Android tablet, ipad2 is second release, just wait some time and see how android honeycomb becomes faster and powerful.
Greetings
I got 2 Acer Iconia A500
It's not smooth as it should be but it's because 3.0.1 Honeycomb... wait for IceCream 3.1 they promisses to increase the smoothness etc... about the UI
I saw also a lot of application that are optimized phone run.... slooooow on tablet... but I don t complain it's just not mean to be on tablet yet, and if I compare the one made for the tablet they are far away better than the phone one
for me it's acceptable how it run.
it's like a baby need to grow up a little before be on the top.
After rooting the device and removing a whole bunch of bloatwares, my a500 is a lot smoother than before . Perhaps you should try the same and re-compare the 2 ?
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I got 2 Acer Iconia A500
It's not smooth as it should be but it's because 3.0.1 Honeycomb... wait for IceCream 3.1 they promisses to increase the smoothness etc... about the UI
I saw also a lot of application that are optimized phone run.... slooooow on tablet... but I don t complain it's just not mean to be on tablet yet, and if I compare the one made for the tablet they are far away better than the phone one
for me it's acceptable how it run.
it's like a baby need to grow up a little before be on the top.
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3.1 is not Icecream, it's Honeycomb 3.1
What bloatware exactly did you remove?
Thanks for the replies everyone!
i think its unfair to compared the 2 tablets for one in my opinion the lower Res ipad2 has less to do when scrolling left or right on their homescreen, I mean the gpu only has to render those cutesy little blocks of apps when on honeycomb the 3d esque transition plus widgets and everything else going on on the home screen.
I think 3.1 should take care of most problems but I don't see it being anymore smooth maybe when quad core tablets come out sure. I'm happy as long as there's more funtionality out the box from the tablet we good 3.1 is gonna bring alot to the table most important for me usb, graphic accelaration etc. My 2 cent that's all
don't forget that IOS is designed by apple for apple, so it's easily tweaked for speed, compatibility, etc.. since it's working on specific hardware, they take advantage of it as much as they can
android is made by google, but it's up to the oems to do everything else. so 2 tablets with similar hardware(or as close to identical as possible) from different oems, may run totally different.
Install ADW, home screen ui becomes much much smoother. other than that... and ipad's and ipad. Unfortunately ipad will always outclass our beloved androids simply because of the way apple runs things.
As said already, I am sure these things will improve. Starting with 3.1 when we get it and hopefully later when we get OC abilty. 1.5gh anyone
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i think its unfair to compared the 2 tablets for one in my opinion the lower Res ipad2 has less to do when scrolling left or right on their homescreen, I mean the gpu only has to render those cutesy little blocks of apps when on honeycomb the 3d esque transition plus widgets and everything else going on on the home screen.
I think 3.1 should take care of most problems but I don't see it being anymore smooth maybe when quad core tablets come out sure. I'm happy as long as there's more funtionality out the box from the tablet we good 3.1 is gonna bring alot to the table most important for me usb, graphic accelaration etc. My 2 cent that's all
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Yep,
Also, in-app speed on Android tablets is fast, though some apps coded poorly will be slow. Otherwise, this is a wash really.
As for homescreen flipping; iPad only scrolls screens with icons. Android tablets are scrolling screens with live widgets and live data display. Huge difference there.
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3.1 is not Icecream, it's Honeycomb 3.1
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I mixed up my mind... IceCream Sandwish is something else... haha thanks to remind it to me
cocobur said:
Hi Everyone,
I just got my first Android Tablet and am pretty much in love with it.
HOWEVER, my GF got an iPad2 and of course we couldn't help but compare the two devices.
Overall, Android wins in terms of functionality and features, but with regards to RESPONSIVENESS, the Acer is BLOWN AWAY. The animations, transitions, scrolling, panning, zooming, everything is much better on the iPad.
Is this the case for all our iconias or is it just mine?
Thanks in advance.
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its just you and yours..................
As others have mentioned there is a trade off. Android simply refuses to properly address UI framerate and overall smoothness. Webos win mobile ios all amazingly smooth with fantastic transitions....its not horsepower its proper coding and desire for a smooth UI.
Ipad renders everything seemingly 60fps but there's rarely anything going on . One glance ...just a glance I can see how many emails I have ..the weather forecast.. and latest updates on fb and twitter..while being notified of new updates to apps.
I much prefer that to opening and closing 7 apps regardless of how smooth it is doing it.
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What bloatware exactly did you remove?
Thanks for the replies everyone!
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well for reference you can read this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1056905
furthermore I also removed photo3d and the keyboard app (replaced with thumb keyboard).
After removing those apps I got rid of some problem i had before such as screen unresponsiveness after sleep (happen sometimes), slow rotation of screen (now it changes screen orientation almost instantly ), more battery life by removing the phone.apk (because before the tablet is always looking for 3g signals)
Though as reminder you need these apps for updates to work properly so please keep the original apk files
i honestly do not care.the difference in the UK smoothness is usually not functional. In that I mean when someone needs to show just how "smooth" IOs is they usually swipe their finger across the screen as fast as they can to show how fast IOs tracks your finger but how often do you really need to swipe your finger that quickly across your screen? Ihave literally no complaints.
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As said already, I am sure these things will improve. Starting with 3.1 when we get it and hopefully later when we get OC abilty. 1.5gh anyone
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every time i go on the xda homepage and see the "asus overclocked" and "xoom overclocked" i die a little on the inside. because toughs quadrant scores kick @$$. and its sad because i personally think hardware wise we have the best tablet on the market.
Perfectly smooth scrolling web pages are something that I've become accustomed to with the Ipad's I've had while waiting for a decent Android tablet. I thought the Nexus 10 would finally offer the smoothness of the Ipad with 4.2 and the awesome Exynos processor. Sadly, I can't find a browser that is nearly as smooth as Safari on the Ipad. I tried every browser I could find in the Market and even rooted and installed the AOSP browser. The AOSP browser is the best, but on image heavy sites, it still stutters.
Am I the only one that is bothered by this?
Why can the Nexus 10 run graphic heavy games at 30-40 fps but can't render a damn webpage with static graphics smoothly?
Also, I've found quite a few apps don't have smooth scrolling, but I suspect poor coding is causing the issue on them, even though knowing the cause doesn't help that that they are still inferior to their Ipad counterparts.
I don't want to go back to an Ipad! Will custom ROMs, kernels and OCing smooth it out?
The reason certain browsers including Chrome "stutter" is because of how it's coded. I've been using boat browser and I have no stutter issues or smoothness problems. Which other browsers have you tried other than aosp browser?
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I don't think browsers are optimized for the Nexus 10 or Android 4.2 just yet, hell, I don't think 4.2 or the Nexus 10 drivers are fully optimized at this time, but what I'm seeing of Dolphin and Boat Browser in the following video is pretty darn good, skip to 10 and 20 minutes.
Performance issues on this tablet are very likely software optimization issues and will be fixed eventually. Don't believe all the bad press that makes up stuff as they go along by saying the Exynos chip can't handle the resolution. That's garbage, and shows a pretty big misunderstanding of the processor/GPU. What amazes me is that even major tech sites with people who should know what they are talking about are saying it, and it drives me nuts.
The tablet has been out for less than a week. Developers need time to catch up, including Google with Chrome. If you look at the history of Nexus devices, they have always shipped with software issues, including very blatant issues that should have been fixed before release. The beauty of owning a Nexus however is that bug fixes come right from Google...no waiting on an OEM to deliver them.
A lot of the same issues were leveled against the Nexus 7, and after a couple of OTAs things have been greatly improved, and now everyone loves that tablet. Give it time. Things will get better.
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Performance issues on this tablet are very likely software optimization issues and will be fixed eventually. Don't believe all the bad press that makes up stuff as they go along by saying the Exynos chip can't handle the resolution. That's garbage, and shows a pretty big misunderstanding of the processor/GPU. What amazes me is that even major tech sites with people who should know what they are talking about are saying it, and it drives me nuts.
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Google is partially to blame, they handed out a pre-release stuttery models to reviewers after all. Things are better since the 13th update, but Chome is still doing the Nexus 10 a great disservice. Let's see how sites such as GSM and PhoneArena who patiently waited for the final model judge it, I think it's safe to say first impressions mean a lot, and they are testing units with fresh SW, multi-user accounts and performance improvements out of the box. Of course, as you said, there's plenty of performance still to come, and I can't wait to get mine!
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The reason certain browsers including Chrome "stutter" is because of how it's coded. I've been using boat browser and I have no stutter issues or smoothness problems. Which other browsers have you tried other than aosp browser?
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Thanks for the rationale responses so far. Google is really shooting themselves in the foot with the lack of polish on Chrome, Android, etc. They are doing well overall, but just think of how good they could be doing with a few improvments to user experience here and there! Hire the programmers to make it happen Google!
I tried the Boat Browser and it was decent but not buttery smooth like Safari on the Ipad. I'll reinstall it and post a youtube video of the stutter tonight when I get home.
Boat Browser is the best. Safari might be a bit smoother but that is because you can't scroll as fast as Boat and Dolphin. Scroll it at the same speed for both if your hands is steady enough to slow scroll boat and you will see it is the same ****.
Don't let the i-tricks fool you by hiding stutter with animation and masking page load speeds with both a load bar and a background image loading spin wheel.
Also, after using some of the features on Boat, such as the screen shot and auto scroll top of the page or bottom of the page touch icon, you will never use another browser.
Have you tried Dolphin with Dolphin Jetpack addon? Just make sure you turn on jetpack in Dolphin setting. It's off by default.
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Chrome sucks. End of story. But it's not like the iPad is perfect either. I just browsed on my sisters iPad 4. It was quite a nice experience, I can't deny that, but there was some tiny lag on sites like Engadget and Android police
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Thanks for the rationale responses so far. Google is really shooting themselves in the foot with the lack of polish on Chrome, Android, etc. They are doing well overall, but just think of how good they could be doing with a few improvments to user experience here and there! Hire the programmers to make it happen Google!
I tried the Boat Browser and it was decent but not buttery smooth like Safari on the Ipad. I'll reinstall it and post a youtube video of the stutter tonight when I get home.
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I don't think you'll see Android be as smooth as iOS anytime soon. They are fundamentally different architectures and I think Google will likely stick with what they have in Android and wait for the hardware to catch up. Hardware was finally catching up starting with this generation but the large jump in resolution presents a *slight* setback in performance.
9 times out of 10 Jellybean is smooth enough for me. It is much better than it was in the past.
As for Chrome:
Like I've stated before, most of the development effort going into Chrome for Android for the last 6 months has been to upstream and open the source code rather than on performance and bugs. This is why Android is still on Chrome 18 while other platforms are on 24. There are several bug fixes that we'll get once they release Chrome 24 or 25 for Android, including a bug that makes Chrome laggy to scroll busy webpages.
Once Chrome is fully upstreamed, which looks like it might be for Chrome 25, it will then also be fully open source. This means we have make our own builds and do it as frequently as we want. Additionally, it is likely that we will see a much faster pace of development for Chrome as well.
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Thanks for the rationale responses so far. Google is really shooting themselves in the foot with the lack of polish on Chrome, Android, etc. They are doing well overall, but just think of how good they could be doing with a few improvments to user experience here and there! Hire the programmers to make it happen Google!
I tried the Boat Browser and it was decent but not buttery smooth like Safari on the Ipad. I'll reinstall it and post a youtube video of the stutter tonight when I get home.
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As others have said, software optimization is key. The biggest issue is that they are dealing with a new SoC, so there is more involved than just CPU and GPU coding. Almost all Android hardware has been Tegra so far, so that code is certainly mature at this point. Comparisons at this stage can be unreasonable in some cases. While the Exynos 4 series has been in use in the Note 10.1, but the 5250 has a new core -- the A15, which no one has experience with AFAIK -- new GPU, new memory architecture... Also, it's possible that Samsung wrote the drivers for the Note 10.1 while Google is taking responsibility for the N10.
So, my point is twofold:
Firmware development for this platform is at an early stage of maturity.
Optimization will be complex and won't be as easy as writing a few simple patches.
I think it will take some time for this new platform to reach its potential. The early adopters, as always, will have to be patient. I hope that gives you some reassurance that your N10 will still meet or exceed your expectations... in time.
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Perfectly smooth scrolling web pages are something that I've become accustomed to with the Ipad's I've had while waiting for a decent Android tablet. I thought the Nexus 10 would finally offer the smoothness of the Ipad with 4.2 and the awesome Exynos processor. Sadly, I can't find a browser that is nearly as smooth as Safari on the Ipad. I tried every browser I could find in the Market and even rooted and installed the AOSP browser. The AOSP browser is the best, but on image heavy sites, it still stutters.
Am I the only one that is bothered by this?
Why can the Nexus 10 run graphic heavy games at 30-40 fps but can't render a damn webpage with static graphics smoothly?
Also, I've found quite a few apps don't have smooth scrolling, but I suspect poor coding is causing the issue on them, even though knowing the cause doesn't help that that they are still inferior to their Ipad counterparts.
I don't want to go back to an Ipad! Will custom ROMs, kernels and OCing smooth it out?
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I have been an Android user for two years and in my honest opinion this is as good as it gets with it. There is something historically wrong with the core of Android where a game like Modern Combat 3 can look as smooth as silk, but browsing just feels like its being pushed to its limit.
A friend of mine this week bought himself a 32GB Nexus 7. I rushed round to have a play and was disappointed when trying out Chrome and Opera Mobile with these XDA forums. The Nexus 7 sported a quad-core processor and still browsing at times felt awkward and reluctant. It looked like the framerate wasn't right or the resolution was too much to handle. And that's with the latest update to Jelly Bean.
I did raise a similar issue with my Galaxy Tab 2 7" here and before anyone beheads me I had already flashed it with CM9 final. As I stated NOVA 3 was slick as oil, but browsing with Stock Browser, Opera Mobile and Chrome was making my eyes jump like mad. It looked like Chrome was trying to get around it by only rendering half the screen and then a split second later displaying the rest.
My niece's iPad 2 really impressed me when browsing on the XDA forums. The same pages I browsed on the Nexus 7 were scrolling as good as on a PC. Any comment that Android browsers scroll faster and therefore make the iPad look smoother is full of it. It was fast and it was smooth.
This will be last journey with Android. But that doesn't mean I'm gonna turn into an Apple user and get mugged off by paying ridiculous prices for a piece of their overinflated kit. My current smartphone and tablet will be with me for the next few years to come as the wow factor with all these mobile devices is disappearing, I'm afraid.
Easiest fix is ocean browser. Till they work out the kinks of chrome mobile/tablet version.
Also anyone saying safari on the ipads don't stutter are wrong they certainly do, perhaps not as often as chrome but it does happen. We use the gen 3's at work.
However to say there wasn't any conceivable improvement from Donut to JB I do find strange as I certainly did.
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Perfectly smooth scrolling web pages are something that I've become accustomed to with the Ipad's I've had while waiting for a decent Android tablet. I thought the Nexus 10 would finally offer the smoothness of the Ipad with 4.2 and the awesome Exynos processor. Sadly, I can't find a browser that is nearly as smooth as Safari on the Ipad. I tried every browser I could find in the Market and even rooted and installed the AOSP browser. The AOSP browser is the best, but on image heavy sites, it still stutters.
Am I the only one that is bothered by this?
Why can the Nexus 10 run graphic heavy games at 30-40 fps but can't render a damn webpage with static graphics smoothly?
Also, I've found quite a few apps don't have smooth scrolling, but I suspect poor coding is causing the issue on them, even though knowing the cause doesn't help that that they are still inferior to their Ipad counterparts.
I don't want to go back to an Ipad! Will custom ROMs, kernels and OCing smooth it out?
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totally agree. for something that has great specs, its dissapointing to see it stutter when loading webpages. my ipad had lower specs compared to this and it was smoother by a mile than the nexus. i think thats the trade off for buying sometor buying something about to Mike about you can talk to my phone but they hired mejust too ****ing hi Billy.
okay the last part was typed using the voice and it sucks too.lol
Chrome currently really has its problems, but keep in mind that as dalingrin said, the mobile chrome version is 18 while the desktop version sits at 23. So there has been a lot of effort put into porting everything from desktop to android rather than bugfixing and polishing. The android version will catch up early next year: http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...s-including-android-starting-early-next-year/
In the meantime I recommend using the android stock browser. Its extremly fast and fluid and even supports flash.
I have a Asus tf700 (infinity). I have been less than pleased with the browser experience. I would like to know how the Nexus 10 compares.
If any of you N10 owners could load the page below and post your experience, i would really appreciate it.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/18/creating-the-windows-8-user-experience.aspx
Wait for the page to completely load then and start scrolling. Does the browser keep up with your scrolling? If so how fast can you scroll?
My tf700 cannot keep up with anything more than an a really slow scroll. My laptop has no problem keeping up with any scroll speed.
Ologn said:
I have a Asus tf700 (infinity). I have been less than pleased with the browser experience. I would like to know how the Nexus 10 compares.
If any of you N10 owners could load the page below and post your experience, i would really appreciate it.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/18/creating-the-windows-8-user-experience.aspx
Wait for the page to completely load then and start scrolling. Does the browser keep up with your scrolling? If so how fast can you scroll?
My tf700 cannot keep up with anything more than an a really slow scroll. My laptop has no problem keeping up with any scroll speed.
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Nope. Doesn't keep up at all using AOSP browser. What a ginormous webpage though.
I would just like to pint out that a laptop and a tablet are VERY different things. The performance gap is quite large. THink of it like this: Have you seen benchmarks for an Intel Atom processor vs say, a Core 2 Duo? A Core2 in itself is a quite old processor and slow compared to any modern processor already, yet the Core 2 smashes the Atom in performance. Now look at the Atom vs the newest, latest and greatest ARM A15. They are about tied overall, with the A15 coming out on top by a little bit in the more common end-user tasks. So if the A15 barely holds its own against an incredibly slow Intel processor, how do you expect a tablet to keep up with a laptop that has an actual "desktop grade" processor in it?
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I would just like to pint out that a laptop and a tablet are VERY different things. The performance gap is quite large. THink of it like this: Have you seen benchmarks for an Intel Atom processor vs say, a Core 2 Duo? A Core2 in itself is a quite old processor and slow compared to any modern processor already, yet the Core 2 smashes the Atom in performance. Now look at the Atom vs the newest, latest and greatest ARM A15. They are about tied overall, with the A15 coming out on top by a little bit in the more common end-user tasks. So if the A15 barely holds its own against an incredibly slow Intel processor, how do you expect a tablet to keep up with a laptop that has an actual "desktop grade" processor in it?
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As much as I want to support your argument, I'm currently typing this on an old Intel Atom processor (which the A15 destroys). I opened that web page and it scrolls perfectly fine at any speed.
Ologn said:
I have been less than pleased with the browser experience. I would like to know how the Nexus 10 compares.
Wait for the page to completely load then and start scrolling. Does the browser keep up with your scrolling? If so how fast can you scroll?
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It's hard to judge what your poor experience is without an example. In my opinion the AOSP browser on my N10 keeps up great at a skim-able scrolling pace (say you're scrolling through 1-2 screens worth of posts at a time).
If you're just flicking down the page as fast as you can at an un-viewable pace then yeah the browser goes mostly blank during the scrolling but then is pretty snappy to display the current page once it arrives at the scroll destination.
Dolphin w/ Jetpack can inconsistently keep up with farther scrolls but it's with low res image until it fully catches up.
Ologn said:
I have a Asus tf700 (infinity). I have been less than pleased with the browser experience. I would like to know how the Nexus 10 compares.
If any of you N10 owners could load the page below and post your experience, i would really appreciate it.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/18/creating-the-windows-8-user-experience.aspx
Wait for the page to completely load then and start scrolling. Does the browser keep up with your scrolling? If so how fast can you scroll?
My tf700 cannot keep up with anything more than an a really slow scroll. My laptop has no problem keeping up with any scroll speed.
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I'm currently rooted but running stock ROM and chrome. I can scroll much faster than I can possibly read and it seems pretty smooth. Having owned the Infinity prior to this device, I understand how poorly the ASUS tablet browses the web. The performance of Chrome is night and day between these two tablets. I owned my infinity for two months and nothing I did ever made web browsing as enjoyable as it is for me on the Nexus 10.
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EniGmA1987 said:
I would just like to pint that a laptop and a tablet are VERY different things. The performance gap is quite large. THink of it like this: Have you seen benchmarks for an Intel Atom processor vs say, a Core 2 Duo? A Core2 in itself is a quite old processor and slow compared to any modern processor already, yet the Core 2 smashes the Atom in performance. Now look at the Atom vs the newest, latest and greatest ARM A15. They are about tied overall, with the A15 coming out on top by a little bit in the more common end-user tasks. So if the A15 barely holds its own against an incredibly slow Intel processor, how do you expect a tablet to keep up with a laptop that has an actual "desktop grade" processor in it?
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Guess i should have been a bit more clear. The only reason i mentioned my laptop was to offer proof that there is no error in the page that might otherwise slow the scrolling of the page.
Also if anyone knows good test pages, and can post their experience with said page, it would be helpful also.
I'm not wanting put down any tabby, i just want to know if the browsing experience on the n10 is better than the tf700. I'm a power web surfer on my tabby and i want the best possible experience. If the n10 does it better i will be switching. Right now, with a custom ROM and browser2ram the tf700 is good for browsing but the page above has problems. If the n10 doesn't have problems, well then its just one more reason to switch.
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I'm currently rooted but running stock ROM and chrome. I can scroll much faster than I can possibly read and it seems pretty smooth. Having owned the Infinity prior to this device, I understand how poorly the ASUS tablet browses the web. The performance of Chrome is night and day between these two tablets. I owned my infinity for two months and nothing I did ever made web browsing as enjoyable as it is for me on the Nexus 10.
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Oh wow. Chrome actually does something right. I just tested the webpage with Chrome and while you do see it rendering the fonts, it does it before you can actually read it (basically before it stops scrolling). Interesting!
It's completely readable with Chrome at its fastest scrolling (the scrolling is kind of slow compared to AOSP browser though).
Can't comment on nexus 10 but on the 7 I can scroll very quickly with stock chrome. Only goes blank if I start flicking through nonstop, but for scrolling the browser kept up at a pace far above "skimming through" speed. So I would imagine the 10 would provide an least an equal experience using same browser.
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I can confirm that about Chrome as well. It does limit scrolling pace vs the other browsers (still faster than you could interpret) but it does keep the text displayed at all times at a lower resolution. It converts to the beautiful crispness quickly at scroll destination.
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As much as I want to support your argument, I'm currently typing this on an old Intel Atom processor (which the A15 destroys). I opened that web page and it scrolls perfectly fine at any speed.
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my mistake. I must have been remembering an ARM9 or something.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6422/samsung-chromebook-xe303-review-testing-arms-cortex-a15/6
EniGmA1987 said:
my mistake. I must have been remembering an ARM9 or something.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6422/samsung-chromebook-xe303-review-testing-arms-cortex-a15/6
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It's cool. It's understandable which is why I said "As much as I want to support your argument."
AOSP browser sucks at something that Chrome doesn't. I'm thinking it has to do with HTML5. Anyway, obviously there isn't a perfect browser out there, but I would recommend Chrome which isn't THAT bad as people say it is if you do get the N10. Judging from how well it loaded that page, it's doing something right.
Can scroll as fast as possible @60fps and no checker boarding on Dolphin Beta. On Chrome scrolling is perfect for all but the fastest scrolling. Both perform much better on the Nexus 10 than they did on my infinity.
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