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After The Vibrant What is Next??? The next phone debate!!

We can all agree that the Samsung Vibrant/Galaxy S is a really good phone and a really great phone when running a custom rom. My question is what is next for you guy, as far as phones goes. What new upcoming phone will you guys get in the near future?
So far number one on my list of my next phones is the LG Optimus 2x, but is that can when Galaxy S 2 and the rumored LG 3D phone is announces. Most likely I will go with the Galaxy S 2. Why you ask? 1. TOUCHWIZ, I think Touchwiz is the best thing that every happen to a smartphone. 2. Odin, Odin practically made the Vibrant unbreakable. 3. Super Amoled Display, I can never look at another screen the same again after seeing super amoled, plus the Galaxy S 2 is said to have Super Amoled Plus Display sigh crazy!!!

I too am leaning toward the LG Optimus 2X but would opt for the Galaxy S 2 if it was coming out in the next couple of months. Have not heard nor read any real timeline for the Galaxy S 2. I also really like Twiz. I have had some hard feelings toward Samsung but I also like Odin and how it makes the phone much easier(or more comfortable) to mess with. I had pretty much decided to never purchase Samsung again but upon looking at the overall picture I feel it is the best decision for me at this time. I had a MT4G and even though I got it rooted and flashed a nice rom I never really felt comfortable playing with it. Sent it back.. Nice phone though.

LG Optimus 2X is mine, I am simply waiting on it right now. But I will NOT buy any phone that does not have the operating system I want and wait for it to come out. If the Optimus 2X does not come with gingerbread, no dice. That way I can flash some cool custom roms just for fun not cos I need the new OS
Seems like I made the right decision to not but the Galaxy Tab, will be getting the G-Slate to go along with it the Optimus2X, scary crap but I am going to be an LG guy (minus the TV)
Edit, after much thought and playing around with phones, watching youtube videos of different phones etc etc, I have decided I will stick to Google phones, ie Nexus line of phones. I really do not need much more than the 16gig it comes with, I hardly use the bluetooth anyway, and it is still faster than the current flock of dual core phones out there now...yep nexus S is my next phone. Even the Nexus one is beating phones that are a year newer at performing basic tasks fast and efficiently
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0e5z6vvf0A&feature=related for eg for the Nexus S

Grant it, i've had hard feelings towards samsung, I'll probably end up with another samsung phone. If not, I would go back to being a Symbian Developer once again with custom Symbians for Nokia. I was, maybe still am, a Nokia die hard. I love their simplicity and all of my Nokia's lasted years.
And Samsung is the closest to what I like on a phone. Customizable, ease of use, and their hardware configuration is so simple and very nice.
So yah...

As much as I am a believer in budget is relative, buy it if you can afford it, I still don't see why anyone buys a phone cause its the "next big thing". Hype and marketing will always tug at the trendy or the ppl who are "in the know" harder then reality or common sense.
Examples span from the the galaxy s Series being released, the G1 being the iphone killer, and more recently the X2 being short of expectations per the review just put out by engadget. Now I'm not saying that the following examples didn't take a turn for the better, if not the best, but electronics and the future is almost an oxymoron. You usually are never using the final product, but more like beta testing for the next best thing. It's an endless trap of gratification vs. $/phone.
As I was one who has gone through the ranks of the G1 and a vibrant, and I Love my vibrant, but Ill still just wait till xxx phone comes out late this year and get it for free on a full upgrade after its been out for 6 months and has tons of roms and the kinks rubbed out of it, lol.
/talking myself out of buying another toy hahaha

I'm going to stick to vibrant and wait for multiple dual cores to come out. Then hit the Craig when the price is lowest :b dun really wanna switch again... went through so many phones in last 4 -5months.
Samsung highlight/ iPhone 3gs/ Samsung vibrant / HTC g2/ nexus one / mytouch 4g/ and back to vibrant again.. should have never abandoned the vibrant in the first place lol.
Learned mylesson. Don't buy the first batch
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ndwgs said:
Grant it, i've had hard feelings towards samsung, I'll probably end up with another samsung phone. If not, I would go back to being a Symbian Developer once again with custom Symbians for Nokia. I was, maybe still am, a Nokia die hard. I love their simplicity and all of my Nokia's lasted years.
And Samsung is the closest to what I like on a phone. Customizable, ease of use, and their hardware configuration is so simple and very nice.
So yah...
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Sounds like you need a Nokia N8.
But i think im most likely gonna go with the Optimus 2x. That Dual-Core processor sounds promising.

they said the benchmarks on it are insane
http://www.intomobile.com/2011/01/31/lg-optimus-2x-star-dual-core-tegra-2-fully-benchmarked/

instead of spending my easily earned money on another phone when this current phone is perfectly fine, I am going to get some custom timberland boots!!
From what i have heard, performance increase is not that much with any phone that is not running honeycomb or higher. The OS can only utilize one core, so the main reason anyone would want to get the lg optimus should be for gaming, and lets face it, android games aren't that hw demanding or nice !!

serban954 said:
Sounds like you need a Nokia N8.
But i think im most likely gonna go with the Optimus 2x. That Dual-Core processor sounds promising.
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LOL, N8 is niiiccceee, especially it comes with Nokia Qt SDK for Devs, lolol... tempting.
Anyway, that's what i'm waiting for, a dual core, and simplicity.

Funny, I can afford to buy any phone anytime, that said i love this phone and am waiting for the same reason ndwgs said. Dual Core, my next buy will probably be the xoom tablet... then the Dual core, S2 or maybe Atris..... not sure
------BTW doesn't "TouchWhiz" sound like a condition you get from drinking to much beer ?

Haha yes! Lol
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Meh, as unhappy as I've been with the small amounts of great ROMS, and lack of Sense so far, I'm keeping this phone. Over the lasy year I've gone through six phones. Moto Cliq-myTouch-Blackberry Bold-iPhone 3G-myTouch-Vibrant. I was never truly happy with a device until this one. So I'll be waiting quite a qhile before getting a new one.

Either the Glaxy S2 or the HTC Pyramid. I can't wait for MWC to start

I will never buy a samsung phone again, but I heard that the nokia e7 is shipping now and the keyboard on that thing is gorgeous, not to mention the camera with dual led flash. If I were to buy a phone today it would be that one. I'd probably go through some minor flashing withdraw but I'd get over it.
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To the op try using this rom im using now http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=935799 its a suped up version of touchwiz ^^
and on the topic i would skip the lg 2x and prolly get the galaxy s2 for my next upgrade, mostly because i dont want a smaller screen. Hopefully by then they will solve the whole timely update problems, which they said recently while releasing the "official 2.2" <-(piece of sh*t btw) that they will work harder to provide updates on a timely matter.

Heh, I'm going to wait until the second wave of dual-core phones come out, probably by this holiday season. Why? They'll be more mature and ship with 2.4 stock, which is what you'll need to actually take advantage of those dual cores. And by then we'll know which chipsets have the best performance and battery life (Tegra 2 isn't all that impressive just yet).

ikevinnyii said:
To the op try using this rom im using now http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=935799 its a suped up version of touchwiz ^^
and on the topic i would skip the lg 2x and prolly get the galaxy s2 for my next upgrade, mostly because i dont want a smaller screen. Hopefully by then they will solve the whole timely update problems, which they said recently while releasing the "official 2.2" <-(piece of sh*t btw) that they will work harder to provide updates on a timely matter.
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Yea I tried that rom. I realtor like it but what I did is I pulled out the theme, widgets and touchwiz and put then on top of kb1.
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Heh, I'm going to wait until the second wave of dual-core phones come out, probably by this holiday season. Why? They'll be more mature and ship with 2.4 stock, which is what you'll need to actually take advantage of those dual cores. And by then we'll know which chipsets have the best performance and battery life (Tegra 2 isn't all that impressive just yet).
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Some have no problem getting 2 phones.
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sader2202 said:
Some have no problem getting 2 phones.
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True. I got a dinosaur phone and my vibrant. Nokia 6630 International Version and my Nex One.
Both i still use, beside my playtime/funtime/tester phone: the vibrant.
Speaking of which, when are you coming up with your Rom, Sader?
I see in your sig that you got a Rom coming soon?? I wan't to have a hands-on on that baby... No pressure. LOL

Ok I need yall help badly thinking of returning the evo3d for SGS2

Ok I purchased the evo3d on launch day, but I am not satisfied with it at all, now my disclaimer I HATE SAMSUNG but it was due to the old samsung phones A460, A600, A660. The Sprint epic had so many problems that i only had it for 4 days then returned it. I said a long time ago I would never buy a samsung phone again. Well I think i might have lied. Im seriously am thinking of buying the new Sprint within aka SGS2 with it launches in aug. I have been a HTC user for 8 years since the 6600 but Im so dissatisfied in the performance of the evo3d and htc with its locked bootloaders. Now the one thing I might have to give up is sense I will miss it but Im hearing good things about this exynos chip on the sgs2. I need someone to assure me that the problems with the epic will not be in the sgs2 like micro sd problems or black screen of death or bluetooth dropping in and out or the major one GPS issues. I have to make up my mind in the next 48 hours. Can any one really offer some real information to help my situation. I dont need fanboy help, I need real input. I told myself I wouldnt come to the dark side but Vader is calling me.

Sound like me man LOL.... Only thing is, there will be no exynos CPU in the US versions....been confirmed in the fcc filings. Now that could change I suppose. But as of now, they will have tegra 2 chips
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HTC will unlock its bootloaders in September. Yesterday I got in a cloudburst, my phone got really wet and behaves strangely. I will buy an evo 3d if my sgs2 dies. I really do miss sense a lot.I think in the end software experience is more important than pure raw hardware power.
Btw I had a samsung non-smartphone before and I hated it and said to myself I would never buy a samsung again but the sgs2 is a very good phone though even though I still prefer sense

lol. you guys in the u.s. deserve better man...get the gs2...its fanfuckintastic...
sent from my galaxy S2.

Haven't had any issues with gps, bluetooth, or black screens of death so I think you might like it lol
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Haha, been through the 'never samsung again' phase too (i7500) but the i9100 really is a wonderful phone and I'm glad I didn't buy the evo3d, which I also considered for some time...
Ps: I went through the 'never htc again' after the infamous missing 2d/3d drivers of the Kaiser.
Lesson to be learned: we're all these corporations' biatches. Buy the phone ;p
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coincoinlapin said:
Haha, been through the 'never samsung again' phase too (i7500) but the i9100 really is a wonderful phone and I'm glad I didn't buy the evo3d, which I also considered for some time...
Ps: I went through the 'never htc again' after the infamous missing 2d/3d drivers of the Kaiser.
Lesson to be learned: we're all these corporations' biatches. Buy the phone ;p
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Lmao @ drivers. I remember that ****. That phones video performance was horrible. Soon as the lights git dim, u could forget about using the camera for video or stills lol
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randy2 said:
Ok I purchased the evo3d on launch day, but I am not satisfied with it at all, now my disclaimer I HATE SAMSUNG but it was due to the old samsung phones A460, A600, A660. The Sprint epic had so many problems that i only had it for 4 days then returned it. I said a long time ago I would never buy a samsung phone again. Well I think i might have lied. Im seriously am thinking of buying the new Sprint within aka SGS2 with it launches in aug. I have been a HTC user for 8 years since the 6600 but Im so dissatisfied in the performance of the evo3d and htc with its locked bootloaders. Now the one thing I might have to give up is sense I will miss it but Im hearing good things about this exynos chip on the sgs2. I need someone to assure me that the problems with the epic will not be in the sgs2 like micro sd problems or black screen of death or bluetooth dropping in and out or the major one GPS issues. I have to make up my mind in the next 48 hours. Can any one really offer some real information to help my situation. I dont need fanboy help, I need real input. I told myself I wouldnt come to the dark side but Vader is calling me.
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You have to look at this way. Every comment on this board is about the international SGS2 (GT-i9100). The original SGS1 (GT-i9000) didn't have anywhere near the problems of the basterdized versions that had pretty drastic hardware and software changes as demanded by the four U.S. carriers. The GT-i9000 was updated to 2.3.4 about two weeks ago and received regular updates along the way. Most of which were ignored by the U.S. carriers pissing people off who then blamed Samsung.
Sprint may have ordered a bunch of changes to the SGS2 for their version. From the leaked pics the back of the phone is different, the corners look rounder, and it appears to be thicker. Regadless, it's a CDMA/Wi-Max phone so it'll have little in common with the GSM international version. You'll be dependent on Sprint for updates, features of the international version may be gone or replaced, and you won't be able to flash international ROMs.
So until the phone's actually out, it's hard to say how much Sprint molestation was done to it. The fundamentals will be solid like the display, processor, and camera. But things like call quality, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and GPS may be different because of the different radio(s).
It could be another Epic or Sprint could leave the phone basically alone except for what had to be changed to support CDMA/Wi-Max. Until it's out, no one will know.

I returned my Evo 3d 2 days ago. The next day I hear that the devs have gotten s-off. Oh well, anyway, I am going to wait till the Within comes out. And see how it is. Then if I don't like it, I will go back to the 3d, or some other phone. Just hope it comes out soon. Went back to a Palm pre, and it is killing me!

E3d...falls short compared to expectations. You'll know in 10 minutes its no contest.
I use Launcher Pro...makes it even faster.
Anyone have hands on with performances on these two different chips? Wouldn't imagine you'd detect much on this device?

Thanks for everyones feedback but if the u.s version is tegra 2 then i might keep my evo3d I might have to sell my evo3d on craigslist and wait past my 30 days, which is up Saturday and Im really disappointed in the evo3d but im so so so scared of a samsung device although the more i see it the more I might make the jump. decisions decisions. From all of my research the tegra 2 is the least of the three,(exynos,msm8660,tegra 2) all 1.2's can anyone speak on the chips in the non-exynos sgs2's

If you like rooting and Custom Roms and are a general XDA user i'd never buy a completely new phone when you dont know anything about it and if its gonna have root and stuff^^
I havent had the evo3d in hands because its not out in my country but i tested the SGS2 and the Sensation alot. So i have to emphasize this is my PERSONAL opinion
I have a DesireHD. I love it. It has gotten some bad reviews in the beginning when it first came out especially about battery life. Now with custom roms based on 2.3.3 it lasts me 2days and the UI is 100% smooth. But the bad reviews still stick i think...
To come to your decision, all 3 phones (sgs2, evo3d, sensation) are very new and still have problems. The sensation looks very nice but the one i tested was quite laggy. Sense 3d ran better on my DHD than on the sensation... I tried it side by side in the store, and still has locked bootloader - but HTC will unlock it so in a few months the Sensation maybe has awesome custom roms. Its too early to tell.
SGS2, nice phone hardware wise, but most ugly and useless software that i tried based on Android. When you're used to sense it just gives you nothing And when you're used to beautiful clear shiny SLCD screens you'll maybe have some problems with the OLED from the sgs2. The model i had in hand looked aweful compared to my DHD, the colors just arent right. There may be better ones but for me white white is much more important than black black. If that makes sense^^
About the chip: The sgs2 exynox is a powerful chip. But software does not really support it atm. For example Gameloft games. At least tegra2 has some cool games... I prefer qualcomm chip based phones - there i know i'll have compatibility.
So in my opinion the new dualcore phones do not have ANY advantage over singlecore 1ghz phones ATM (ok hdmi out is nice to have ). Who knows what will be in half a year when the software is better for the dualcore babies. But now? But these are just my thoughts.
I guess SGS2 will have good custom software faster than any other phone because of its popularity. If you can find one with a good screen and nice colors i guess go for it

clouds5 said:
If you like rooting and Custom Roms and are a general XDA user i'd never buy a completely new phone when you dont know anything about it and if its gonna have root and stuff^^
I havent had the evo3d in hands because its not out in my country but i tested the SGS2 and the Sensation alot. So i have to emphasize this is my PERSONAL opinion
I have a DesireHD. I love it. It has gotten some bad reviews in the beginning when it first came out especially about battery life. Now with custom roms based on 2.3.3 it lasts me 2days and the UI is 100% smooth. But the bad reviews still stick i think...
To come to your decision, all 3 phones (sgs2, evo3d, sensation) are very new and still have problems. The sensation looks very nice but the one i tested was quite laggy. Sense 3d ran better on my DHD than on the sensation... I tried it side by side in the store, and still has locked bootloader - but HTC will unlock it so in a few months the Sensation maybe has awesome custom roms. Its too early to tell.
SGS2, nice phone hardware wise, but most ugly and useless software that i tried based on Android. When you're used to sense it just gives you nothing And when you're used to beautiful clear shiny SLCD screens you'll maybe have some problems with the OLED from the sgs2. The model i had in hand looked aweful compared to my DHD, the colors just arent right. There may be better ones but for me white white is much more important than black black. If that makes sense^^
About the chip: The sgs2 exynox is a powerful chip. But software does not really support it atm. For example Gameloft games. At least tegra2 has some cool games... I prefer qualcomm chip based phones - there i know i'll have compatibility.
So in my opinion the new dualcore phones do not have ANY advantage over singlecore 1ghz phones ATM (ok hdmi out is nice to have ). Who knows what will be in half a year when the software is better for the dualcore babies. But now? But these are just my thoughts.
I guess SGS2 will have good custom software faster than any other phone because of its popularity. If you can find one with a good screen and nice colors i guess go for it
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Try and play a 1080p movie in a Single core 1ghz phone,then you will see the difference ..
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testando said:
Try and play a 1080p movie in a Single core 1ghz phone,then you will see the difference ..
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You mean 1080p Adobe Flash video?
What I don't like about LCD is that it can't display black, but OLED can display all colors.

Any heavy complex multitasking condition on a device proves the value of dual core.

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phyba said:
Sound like me man LOL.... Only thing is, there will be no exynos CPU in the US versions....been confirmed in the fcc filings. Now that could change I suppose. But as of now, they will have tegra 2 chips
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I believe you are refering to this article: http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/06/another-galaxy-s-ii-passes-through-the-fcc-possibly-rockin-a-t/ (or another article on a different site).
If you look at the model number closely, you will see that the Tegra 2 phone that you are talking about has the model number GT-I9103. This is not the US galaxy SII. It is the Galaxy Z, the more "affordable little brother." (http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/01/samsung-galaxy-z-galaxy-s-iis-affordable-little-brother-now/).
I'm not confirming that the US varieties of the SGSII will not have Tegra 2s, but I'm saying that there was no confirmations of US SGSIIs having Tegra 2s in the first place.
BarryH_GEG said:
Sprint may have ordered a bunch of changes to the SGS2 for their version. From the leaked pics the back of the phone is different, the corners look rounder, and it appears to be thicker.
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From the Epic forums, some people are saying that the leaked picture wasn't the Galaxy SII (within), but it is the Sprint's version of the Infuse. But I have no sources for this one.
Anyways, personally, I recommend that you hold out until the Galaxy SII for Sprint comes out. On paper, the SGSII beats the Evo 3D in almost every spec criteria. HTC has better support and more timely updates though.
But I'm waiting for the Within.

How good is this phone

hi im a zte blade user but am looking to buy a new phone. ive done research on this phone but wanted to know whether this phone is really worth the upgrade? if anyone can help answer a few question that would be awesome
- is this phone fast, in terms of games, multitasking and just browsing through the screens and app drawer etc
- what is the rom development like for this phone, do you reckon it will get any of the latest updates soon?
- is it worth £130?
thanks in advance if anyone can help

- Yes, it is quite snappy. I have yet to find something that will make it unacceptably laggy or slow.
- The latest complete release is Gingerbread. Newer releases (ICS, JB) are in the making and should be just around the corner, it all depends on when will Motorola release their own version so devs can extract proper hardware drivers from it.
- Is that brand new? Then sure, otherwise it can easily be found for significantly less.

i think this is a pretty good phone.
1) Yes. Very snappy and smooth. And thats on GB. On JB (unofficial CM10), it flies! Totally awesome!
2) Rom development...well, its not that bad, but could be better. We have all the latest roms available, but as of right now, we only have one dev that actually owns an Atrix. Others devs are blind building. Not that they are doing a bad job, in fact, they are doing terrific job blind building, my respect for them.
3) Don't know. Got it for around 170$ used a couple of months back.
Offtopic: Lets wait for ATRIX_LOVER to come in, and flame this phone like there is no tomorrow. Lol.

If I broke mine I would be searching Ebay for a good deal on another Atrix 4G.The one I have now I got for $162.50

It's a good phone for the money you pay. Very easy to repair, so if you're on a tight budget, broken screens etc are a cheap fix compared to other phones (no glue used etc.) You can get a cheap lapdock, for less than the price of gs2 you can have a pad and a phone.
Performance wise, Tegra 2 benchmarks about the same as a dual core 800MHz chip of the current generation of phones. Not rocket fast, but definitely smooth enough. Games compiled for Tegra 2 perform much better than you would expect as the ulv geforce is a competent GPU. Lack of neon extensions means that apps not optimised for T2 take a performance hit. This will become more of an issue as time goes on; T3 has simd extensions put back in so there's little incentive for developers to keep two code paths. It does have an unlocked bootloader available, a huge bonus for dev support. On the other hand, being a Tegra 2 based phone means it will never reach the popularity of the likes of sg2 or some HTC phones.
We are promised an official ICS ROM within the next couple of months, you can expect good support up to Jelly Bean: after that, not so much.
Imho, it's a bargain for the prices it's sold at, especially if you get a lapdock at the same time. You get a phone and a pad for, essentially, the price of a low/mid range phone.
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It's a good phone. £130 seems like a good deal. I wouldn't pay anything above £160 for it.
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consolation said:
We are promised an official ICS ROM within the next couple of months, you can expect good support up to Jelly Bean: after that, not so much.
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Unless Android's next version still uses ICS drivers.

thanks for all the replies,
i can get the phone used for £130, which is on its own (no lapdock) i think that is a good price and within my budget.
i cant seem to find any other phone with similar or better specs at this price unless someone could point me in the right direction?
thanks again

ropin1 said:
thanks for all the replies,
i can get the phone used for £130, which is on its own (no lapdock) i think that is a good price and within my budget.
i cant seem to find any other phone with similar or better specs at this price unless someone could point me in the right direction?
thanks again
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You might be able to pick up an LG optimus 2x for slightly cheaper than the atrix. It has the same tegra processor as the atrix. Even has hdmi. Main difference is that it has 512mb ram whereas atrix has double that.
I've used both and there's no noticeable difference in performance when running the cm7 roms.
If it's possible you might want to wait and see if either phone is getting official ics. The LG owners are in a similar position as us regarding updates
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ropin1 said:
thanks for all the replies,
i can get the phone used for £130, which is on its own (no lapdock) i think that is a good price and within my budget.
i cant seem to find any other phone with similar or better specs at this price unless someone could point me in the right direction?
thanks again
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For a little more you could get an HTC Sensation. I'd say that the Sensation is harder to unlock and has pluses and minuses from the Atrix. Personally I prefer the Atrix but the Sensation might be a better bet forthe future given the liklihood of ongoing support/development.

What if it's not a pre-production thing?

I'm not saying that the crappy battery life, mediocre quadrant benchmark & terrible browser benchmarks are definitely a permanent part of the phone. But hear me out: what if they are? What if LG & Google just did a bad job putting the overall package together, and it never comes close to performing like the Optimus G?
Again: I'm not asking, "do you think it's going to be this way?" I'm just asking a hypothetical, and that's it.
So what happens next? Wait for a new Asus or Samsung phone? Pick up a GN2, actual Optimus G, GS3? Switch to WP8 or iOS? Go back to the Gnex? Stick with the Nexus 4 and ride out its shortcomings? Live in denial, cursing reviewers?
Just wondering.

abe in space said:
I'm not saying that the crappy battery life, mediocre quadrant benchmark & terrible browser benchmarks are definitely a permanent part of the phone. But hear me out: what if they are?
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Simple... If certain things cause you not to like a phone then don't buy it

The review units didn't ship with widgets on the lock screen feature and multi-user login feature. Those will be in the final builds before shipment. That final build should address those issues. I think Google made a foolish mistake to release unfinished software for review.
But to answer your question, those will never be permanent so your question just doesn't make sense. The LG Optimus G, which has the exact same specs, scored well in benchmarks and battery tests. The issue with the Nexus 4 is definitely the software. And if it's software, Google will take care.
If you really want an answer, well then this is a terrible device, I guess?

Remember, people thought ICS was crappy and laggy when it was first released on the GNex

I hope for everyone's sake that these issues are only temporary.
That said along with my other concerns (LTE and storage are a pretty big deal for me, HATERS: NO MAYBE NOT FOR YOU I DON'T CARE) I am already on the fence between buying this before the holidays and waiting to see what comes next year. If there are quality or performance issues then that will push me over the edge to riding out a few more months with my i9000.

abe in space said:
I'm not saying that the crappy battery life, mediocre quadrant benchmark & terrible browser benchmarks are definitely a permanent part of the phone. But hear me out: what if they are? What if LG & Google just did a bad job putting the overall package together, and it never comes close to performing like the Optimus G?
Again: I'm not asking, "do you think it's going to be this way?" I'm just asking a hypothetical, and that's it.
So what happens next? Wait for a new Asus or Samsung phone? Pick up a GN2, actual Optimus G, GS3? Switch to WP8 or iOS? Go back to the Gnex? Stick with the Nexus 4 and ride out its shortcomings? Live in denial, cursing reviewers?
Just wondering.
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According to one of the guys writing the review for Android Police, there's an update coming out November 11th to finalize the software of their phones. Also like another user said, their current test build didn't include certain features and even when Matias Duarte did the demo for the verge, he said it wasn't the final product. Even though its not final yet, everyone has said that the phone is second to none in speed. Everyone is stressing out over nothing.
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Hero_Guy said:
Everyone is stressing out over nothing.
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That's what forums are for

Hero_Guy said:
According to one of the guys writing the review for Android Police, there's an update coming out November 11th to finalize the software of their phones. Also like another user said, their current test build didn't include certain features and even when Matias Duarte did the demo for the verge, he said it wasn't the final product. Even though its not final yet, everyone has said that the phone is second to none in speed. Everyone is stressing out over nothing.
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Awesome news. Source?

Honestly, even if.. so what? I sell my gnex 200$ buy that phone for 300$ so effectively pay 100$ for a phone that the current benchmarks are 10 times better than the gnex... I'd gladly pay 100$ a year for that kind of upgrade.

Wow. Okay. I really didn't think I'd have to say this again, but: I am not saying that the complaints are going to stick. I'm not asking for the probability that they will; other people have discussed that ad nauseam elsewhere. I'm just asking, honestly: if the worst happens, and it isn't a pre-production/software issue, and the phone only gets 5.5 hours battery life, and is beaten half the time on benchmarks by last-gen phones, what's the call? What would you guys do, in that situation? I'm not trying to start a flame war. I'm trying to honestly attempt to consider a possible situation.

Its simple: N4 got same hardware as Optimus G, which means hardware cant be a reason for scoring lower on benchmarks. Since hardware cant be a reason, it can be software. Those Nexus 4 on tests doesnt have some 4.2 features yet, so you can clearly see that this isnt final software yet.
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The battery definitely should be a software issue. I have a feeling that something is causing the CPU or GPU to not be able to fully downclock on idle which is causing both the battery and heat issues. Though really, the phone should be designed so that it doesn't overheat even when it's running at 100%.

N4 got same hardware as Optimus G,
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What if the hardware is NOT the same?
Maybe N4 has cheaper, slower RAM, less memory bandwidth, binned lower efficient processor,...
It could very well be possible that N4 uses inferior components to enable this awesome cheap price.

MarkusL81 said:
What if the hardware is NOT the same?
Maybe N4 has cheaper, slower RAM, less memory bandwidth, binned lower efficient processor,...
It could very well be possible that N4 uses inferior components to enable this awesome cheap price.
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That's not how a SoC works though... The components are set in stone, not interchangeable

I'm on the GN LTE. It sucks but I can live with it until I figure out the situation with the N4. I rushed into the GN when it first came out without waiting for critical review. Huge mistake.
I won't repeat that with the N4. I'll wait at least a few weeks after the release to see how the reviews play out.
I really hope the N4 can be my next phone. The price is just right. I don't see any good alternative other than paying nearly double for a Note II or S III.

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That's not how a SoC works though... The components are set in stone, not interchangeable
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And there could be different versions of the SoC. Was any model confirmed beyond it being a S4 Pro? There could very will be multiple versions of the the S4 Pro.

The chips have been confirmed to be the same.

[Q] Would you still recommend N4 or wait for MWC announcements?

I'm about to put in an order for the Nexus 4. I've been totally committed to doing this for a month now (waiting for my current subscription to expire). Today I saw an article about Xperia Z and some comments on the upcoming Mobile World Congress and all the news that are expected.
I'm currently sunning a Samsung galaxy S2 with CM 10.1. I hate Touchwiz and really want to run android vanilla as far as I can. I enjoy having the latest version of Android and am a bit tired of the un-cooperative Samsung devs that makes the CM 10.1 ROM only run "OK-ish".
So my question to you that have the Nexus 4 today is:
What else (besides quick updates) makes the Nexus 4 beat the competition today and would you still buy a Nexus 4 if you could change your mind (had your money back) today?

There won't be anything at MWC that challenges Nexus4 on the value for money front. Sure the Xperia Z is a great phone, same specs as the N4, better camera, but it's double the price.
If you are looking to pay the N4 price, and nothing more, then MWC will have nothing for you. (Huawei Ascend P2 possibly, but it's still not a Nexus device).

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There won't be anything at MWC that challenges Nexus4 on the value for money front. Sure the Xperia Z is a great phone, same specs as the N4, better camera, but it's double the price.
If you are looking to pay the N4 price, and nothing more, then MWC will have nothing for you. (Huawei Ascend P2 possibly, but it's still not a Nexus device).
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Agreed.
@OP, it comes down to whether or not you would appreciate the new hardware or not. I personally couldn't care less about better processors, cameras and 1080p displays because from day to day usage I would never notice any difference. With the N4 you get brilliant hardware and software at an unbeatable price. Given the choice now I'd still get myself a N4.

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I'm about to put in an order for the Nexus 4. I've been totally committed to doing this for a month now (waiting for my current subscription to expire). Today I saw an article about Xperia Z and some comments on the upcoming Mobile World Congress and all the news that are expected.
I'm currently sunning a Samsung galaxy S2 with CM 10.1. I hate Touchwiz and really want to run android vanilla as far as I can. I enjoy having the latest version of Android and am a bit tired of the un-cooperative Samsung devs that makes the CM 10.1 ROM only run "OK-ish".
So my question to you that have the Nexus 4 today is:
What else (besides quick updates) makes the Nexus 4 beat the competition today and would you still buy a Nexus 4 if you could change your mind (had your money back) today?
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There might be some phones out at MWC that might challenge N4. The Optimus G Pro especially with a Snapdragon 600 chip. However no phone will be at the price to performance ratio of N4. Also none of those phones will have guaranteed upgrade to new android versions after first 6-10 months.
btw CM10.1 running badly on S2 is not a fault of un-cooperative Samsung CM devs, but Samsung Mobile itself.I owned one and moved to N4 just so I can run latest version of Android ASAP.

Thank you all for good answers and helping me decide. Yes, Nexus 4 is still the phone for me as I like to root and run the latest Android version and as you mentioned, I probably won't care much for that slightly faster CPU and so on, that's not the important parts for me.
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btw CM10.1 running badly on S2 is not a fault of un-cooperative Samsung CM devs, but Samsung Mobile itself.I owned one and moved to N4 just so I can run latest version of Android ASAP.
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Sorry I was probably unclear in what I meant, I know it's not Team Hacksungs fault, it's that they don't get any cooperation from Samsung mobiles devs and that ***ing Exynos crap.
Aaahh, feels good. I'll just click on "Order" now and await my beautiful Nexus in the mail next week.
Thanks guys!

If you're lucky, it may arrive the next day like mine did

Who cares about value for money when in most countries phones are free with new contracts. The Nexus ISNT cheaper than any other phone even the iPhone in the UK when taken with a normal 24 month contract.
So basically you have to ask yourself do you want to compromise on everything just to get stock Android. Because this phone is full of compromises

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Who cares about value for money when in most countries phones are free with new contracts. The Nexus ISNT cheaper than any other phone even the iPhone in the UK when taken with a normal 24 month contract.
So basically you have to ask yourself do you want to compromise on everything just to get stock Android. Because this phone is full of compromises
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That depends;
More MP in camera and TouchWiz interface vs lesser MP in camera and updated stock Android UI? - Then definitely stock Android UI
There are countless of comparisons having to be made if I were to compare all models and I don't even know of all these "compromises" you're talking about. Some of them are more known than others and most come down to taste and preference which is why I created this thread. I want to know your opinions since you (probably) already own the N4.
So, we come back to my original question: What compromises are most significant for you and what would you choose today?

I would buy it again. Three things I love about the nexus 4
1) Stability. I have owned samsung phones and they really aren't as stable as the competition. I'm talking stock out of the box. 2) look and feel. The phone feels good and expensive. Samsung has always felt cheap
3) speed/ram. This device will easily last me two years. That's two years if no headaches with updates, lack of stability, apps being buggy on my device, etc.
I like to avoid downtime and for that reason like to avoid custom Roms.
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rage77 said:
That depends;
More MP in camera and TouchWiz interface vs lesser MP in camera and updated stock Android UI? - Then definitely stock Android UI
There are countless of comparisons having to be made if I were to compare all models and I don't even know of all these "compromises" you're talking about. Some of them are more known than others and most come down to taste and preference which is why I created this thread. I want to know your opinions since you (probably) already own the N4.
So, we come back to my original question: What compromises are most significant for you and what would you choose today?
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i wouldnt choose today.
Id wait for the S4, the M7 and the X Phone all to show me what they have before i went with the nexus.
The nexus is based on last years specs. Poor battery dodgy camera and a washed out 720p screen. Build quality is so so also and android can be lacking in many areas that the skinned versions dont.

I wouldn't get the N4. I'd say the S3 I had before it was better, more stable and better features, but the 4G version is ever faster than the Nexus 4 and of course has a slightly better camera and better software.
The LTE S3 my GF has is running fast, smooth and stable from day one, with zero updates and no need for a custom rom and I am still having day to day crashes and wifi issues with my Nexus 4.
I love the N4 but have to say that HTC, Samsung and the rest do it better than google still.
For the record, custom roms like CM have always run the same for me regardless of platform, they're no more or less stable whether on HTC Desire, GS3, N4 or GSM galaxy nexus. All these fingers pointed at Samsung for exynos drivers etc is just sour grapes as out of all of the phones I listed, the GS3 runs just as well as the rest.
I'd get an Xperia Z or wait on samsung or HTC to release something new as however they are moaned at, they're stuff is still more stable than any google pure software or custom rom.
In defense of custom roms, they do have a few more customization options than the manufacturer overlays, but do lack some of the features in manufacturer skins.

Man, now I have to cancel my order... Way too many different thoughts.
Thank you, precisely what I needed, some food for thought to digest to make a better decision.

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Who cares about value for money when in most countries phones are free with new contracts. The Nexus ISNT cheaper than any other phone even the iPhone in the UK when taken with a normal 24 month contract.
So basically you have to ask yourself do you want to compromise on everything just to get stock Android. Because this phone is full of compromises
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You'd have to be a right twat to order a N4 on contract though wouldn't you? Ordering off contract with a giffgaff SIM comes to a saving of about £120 over the cheapest viable contract for both the GS3 and N4 (assuming you use the giffgaff SIM for 24 months and get cashback on the contract).
You should also expand on the compromises you're talking about. For a fair number of people (myself included) they don't really matter. I can completely understand why someone would want something else, but none of these compromises are a definite deal breaker in any way.
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The nexus is based on last years specs. Poor battery dodgy camera and a washed out 720p screen. Build quality is so so also and android can be lacking in many areas that the skinned versions dont.
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It is based on last years specs, but how bad is that? Find an app that the S4 Pro can't keep up with and I'll be amazed. I've had excellent battery life, the camera is sub par but not a deal breaker for me and the washed out screen is a myth. Unless you compare the screen directly to a competitor's, you'll think it's great. It has reasonable saturation as stock, and that can be greatly improved with a quick kernel flash. Build quality is excellent for me, I'd go so far as to say that the phone feels Apple-esque in that department. As for stock Android lacking in features, I'd agree but argue that skins are slow and ugly.
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I wouldn't get the N4. I'd say the S3 I had before it was better, more stable and better features, but the 4G version is ever faster than the Nexus 4 and of course has a slightly better camera and better software.
The LTE S3 my GF has is running fast, smooth and stable from day one, with zero updates and no need for a custom rom and I am still having day to day crashes and wifi issues with my Nexus 4.
I love the N4 but have to say that HTC, Samsung and the rest do it better than google still.
For the record, custom roms like CM have always run the same for me regardless of platform, they're no more or less stable whether on HTC Desire, GS3, N4 or GSM galaxy nexus. All these fingers pointed at Samsung for exynos drivers etc is just sour grapes as out of all of the phones I listed, the GS3 runs just as well as the rest.
I'd get an Xperia Z or wait on samsung or HTC to release something new as however they are moaned at, they're stuff is still more stable than any google pure software or custom rom.
In defense of custom roms, they do have a few more customization options than the manufacturer overlays, but do lack some of the features in manufacturer skins.
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You can't just say 'better' without justification. The SGS3 is definitely not more stable than the N4, since neither has ever crashed for me. I find TouchWiz to be far less consistent in terms of performance than AOSP, and never faster. Benchmarks and reviews quite conclusively prove that the Nexus performs better. The better camera part is true, the software is down to personal preference but I find TouchWiz to be incedibly ugly (but definitely more feature rich than AOSP).
You may need to expand on '...the rest do it better than Google still'.
Custom ROM's don't run the same on all phones at all. There are varying degrees of stability and speed. You're likely to get good performance on any flagship device, but the HD2 for example doesn't run CM10 nearly as well as the SGS3.
Other OEMs' devices aren't more stable than the N4, I don't know where you got that from.
I understand that there are plenty of arguments in favour of other devices over the N4, but neither of you have made valid points here.