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[Q] Root Block: Intentional or Bug?

Cyanogen is saying its a bug. Tmo is saying its a feature. which one is correct?
If it is indeed a bug how would tmo go about fixing our phones? mass recall? sweep under the rug?
If its a feature, is it a precursor to what future phones will be?
Either outcome isnt very good for the consumer and may lead to lots of lost customers for tmo. Specially after tmo releasing a statement that its a feature of the phone.
I love this phone, the very first smartphone i ever had, and was really looking forward to hacking around with it but its hard to justify such a device that locks you out of such features. I hope cyanogen and all the other great devs work out a solution to this problem. I dont want to send it back.
looked for similar threads and couldnt find any.
info link:
h**p://phandroid.com/2010/10/11/cyanogen-calls-shenanigans-on-t-mobile-g2-root-fail-safe-mechanism/

Read teh goddamn internets!
Wtf people??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????!

d0nkey said:
Read teh goddamn internets!
Wtf people??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????!
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This......

SuperFly03 said:
This......
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Absolutely this.

I read all post lol, but I need to do this question, Im always an Iphone user (tmobile network) I bought this G2, I keep reading that cant be root for now, I change it today because got blackout twices....
I dont know what the hell works the root thing.. Just an advices, should keep my G2? or wait for another android phone...
Still have 13 days for return

d0nkey said:
Read teh goddamn internets!
Wtf people??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????!
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care to elaborate?

s30zgt said:
care to elaborate?
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Can you? lol...

AndroidNoober said:
Can you? lol...
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First off learn to type in a understandable format. your previous post just butchers the english language.
Second, i can see that this thread will go nowhere. Mod can you please close this thread?

s30zgt said:
First off learn to type in a understandable format. your previous post just butchers the english language.
Second, i can see that this thread will go nowhere. Mod can you please close this thread?
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Sorry, I know my English is bad.. Is my second language.. I just trying to understand a little bit about this.. Spanish pages are from Mexico or Spain, harder to understand!!!
Like I said, sorry about that.

s30zgt said:
care to elaborate?
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Sure, here: Read the ****ing internet.

krayshunist said:
Sure, here: Read the ****ing internet.
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Wow thanks man lol. I don't need your asinine comments that bring nothing to this thread. Mods please close this thread.

Wow... ppl are such asses..i dont see anything in here that warrants the op to be cursed at...ridiculous
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App

People are being jerks for sure, but OP, you should search better cuz your question has been answered in several threads. The short of it is NO. It is not a bug in the sense you are thinking. It is an intentional bug which tricks linux (android os) into thinking writes to the system files during root are being made when in actuality, the writes are only being written to cache. Once the cache is cleared during reboot the root access is erased because it wasn't actually written to the system in the first place. It's not a bug that needs to be fixed. It's a bug that was placed there to fool the system and make permanent root more...challenging.

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s30zgt said:
Cyanogen is saying its a bug. Tmo is saying its a feature. which one is correct?
If it is indeed a bug how would tmo go about fixing our phones? mass recall? sweep under the rug?
If its a feature, is it a precursor to what future phones will be?
Either outcome isnt very good for the consumer and may lead to lots of lost customers for tmo. Specially after tmo releasing a statement that its a feature of the phone.
I love this phone, the very first smartphone i ever had, and was really looking forward to hacking around with it but its hard to justify such a device that locks you out of such features. I hope cyanogen and all the other great devs work out a solution to this problem. I dont want to send it back.
looked for similar threads and couldnt find any.
info link:
h**p://phandroid.com/2010/10/11/cyanogen-calls-shenanigans-on-t-mobile-g2-root-fail-safe-mechanism/
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There is a very informational Wiki out. Check it out. It will get you up to date with all the work that has been done towards root.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#Rooting_the_G2

The important part of the question.. for me.. is whether the Z has the same bugFeature.
I see one random user saying that they flashed a G2 rom on a Desire Z and nothing more. Have I missed something? Kinda hard to say yay or nay based solely on that.

"Intentional Bug" ????
If it's intentional, it's NOT a bug.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App

Thank you XfooYen for the info. I did a quick search before I posted(the posting page even searches similar post before you publish them) and found nothing similar. I will make sure to search more thoroughly next time.
I am familiar with the current situation with root, I just though that if a well known developer like cyanogen thinks that its a bug that maybe the readers of xda might want to discuss his possible ratonale for such a statement, then again that may not have been what he was trying to say and got it misrepresented by the media. Instead I saw nothing but irrelevent and pointless posts. For a second I thought this was gizmodo or engadget.
Thank you again. Its good to know that xda has readers who actually know what they are talking about and not just the average troll.

androidtoy09 said:
"Intentional Bug" ????
If it's intentional, it's NOT a bug.
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Actually, you're wrong.
RT @cyanogen: @garok89 yeah, and the statement tmobile made is technically wrong. theres nothing that restores the phone, its actually what i'd call a bug

greengoldmello said:
Wow... ppl are such asses..i dont see anything in here that warrants the op to be cursed at...ridiculous
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Agreed. This is XDA. In the years I've been here, there was never this much flaming and douchery as there has been lately.

Android 3.0 Honeycomb

Is there a custom rom so we can install Android 3.0 Honeycomb on the Galaxy? thanks

zerolimit1 said:
Is there a custom rom so we can install Android 3.0 Honeycomb on the Galaxy? thanks
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A) Did you bother searching?
B) Wrong sub-forum

Yeh, there sure is, everyones using it.

zerolimit1 said:
Is there a custom rom so we can install Android 3.0 Honeycomb on the Galaxy? thanks
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Of course... Ive been using it for a week without issue.
It even turns your single core processor in to a dual core processor.
Im getting Quadrant scores in the 4200 range.
NOT....

I have been looking and couldn't find anything thats why I am asking. No need to be hostile!!!

Flashed mine yesterday and it even prints money!!

I dont understand why everyone has to be that way. A simple yes there is here is the link. Or no not at this time! I thought we were here to help each other!

zerolimit1 said:
I dont understand why everyone has to be that way. A simple yes there is here is the link. Or no not at this time! I thought we were here to help each other!
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The good lord (and XDA) helps those who help themselves. Seriously, just do a subforum search for "Honeycomb" topics.

So after 8 posts a simple yes or no at post 2 would helped him more than 6 posts of telling him to search. Seriously guys.............

Thanks shollywood apreciate it!

shollywood said:
So after 8 posts a simple yes or no at post 2 would helped him more than 6 posts of telling him to search. Seriously guys.............
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I didnt tell him to search... that would have been too simple.
I prefer making light of the situation.
I also dont feel anything I said was hostile. I dont bother being hostile on the internet, its just plain silly.

shollywood said:
So after 8 posts a simple yes or no at post 2 would helped him more than 6 posts of telling him to search. Seriously guys.............
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So you'd rather people didn't bother with the minimal effort of working things out for themselves? I understand your point that it's wasted a small amount of time/bandwidth, but encouraging people to do their own basic research helps everyone in the long run.
Not to mention posting a generic question in the dev forum.
At this stage I'm obviously not helping matters. So:
NO
Now, could a mod please cull this thread\move it to the questions\general sub-forum?

so...posting 3 times and no useful info...talk about clutter, and youre 100% guilty of it.
can someone PRETTY PLEASE post a link to help this guy out...im also interested but still stuck trying to flash CWM

suprajztwenty said:
so...posting 3 times and no useful info...talk about clutter, and youre 100% guilty of it.
can someone PRETTY PLEASE post a link to help this guy out...im also interested but still stuck trying to flash CWM
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A link to what? There is no Honeycomb rom to link him to..
And try flashing the Modaco kernel, it'll install CWM with it and convert to ext4.
Sent from my GT-P1000

full of pages of people who's pissed coz of tab didnt get honeycomb...
YET ^^

GANJDROID said:
A link to what? There is no Honeycomb rom to link him to..
And try flashing the Modaco kernel, it'll install CWM with it and convert to ext4.
Sent from my GT-P1000
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THANKYOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! a million times over! damn youre good!
finally a user that can truly help without being a douche! thanks again man!

I guess the big bold "NO" was too subtle.

knightnz said:
I guess the big bold "NO" was too subtle.
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I guess so... some people just arent bright enough to figure it out on their own~!

steve jaye said:
Flashed mine yesterday and it even prints money!!
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I thought that was the EVO?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg

steve jaye said:
Flashed mine yesterday and it even prints money!!
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this one made me lol

ATTENTION PLEASE regarding J.Anderson

hey guys. thought id fill you in on some info then ask for a favour
as you all know j.Anderson is a tremendous pain in the kneck. and has been banned for being one.
however another thread popped where you all speculated its was his second account. the thread was deleted but im here to tell you it was his account.
the reason im telling you this is because now i know he is not beyond making sock-puppets to make stupid posts
so the favour i want to ask is, if you see a post that seem familiar in wording or content. as well as reporting via the correct methods could you also let me know.
weve had this issue before with another user not long before 2.1 was due to be released and i dont want it to happen again
thanks in advance
PiLoT

Will do, chief!

I am absolutely convinced that he is mentally ill, possibly even schizophrenic. I think he really believes that he has some secret or unique knowledge. Some of his posts at talk.sonyericsson.com are even more puzzling.

yeah i agree his posts are nonsensical. i remembered the other user i had trouble with. Its was iHim.

Looks like the neighborhood watch is now in effect! We'll be on the lookout! That goober's posts stick out like a flasher in a trenchcoat at the playground and he's likely in the same state of mind.
Sent From My *Super Fly X10*
If I (or anyone for that matter!) help you, dont be afraid to press THANKS!

Sure, np. And get me a rifel to shoot him as well.
VIPER

Hey guys I found the keys...
I'll post one now and more later..
The first key is... G..G...GG....GEEE UNIIITTTT...
I found it in system/media/music/data
20000211000/5588809
(take that file and unlock the phone)
then open file manager and type this into system/app
*DURR..... AHHH DURRRR*
i'll post more soon once i get online
(just a heads up as to what to look for)

MrHassell said:
I'm saying this because I like the people and the vibe I get from XDA, it really means so much more to me than to ramble.
Please everyone be civil and sensible. Practical and friendly, helpful where possible and if you feel tempted..
Resist
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+1
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+1
Sent from my X10i using XDA App

OmegaRED^ said:
Seriously dude.. is that your primary mission?
To try make us all look crazy?
You seem like a guy that has a clear different plan from actually helping someone or doing anything good for this forum and now you plan to change your target to me.
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No one made you look crazy... you accomplished that part on your own.
No need to worry though, I think its cute

I'm also on the watch (while the others are sleeping, I'm watching and viceversa).
So please PM me also if you find a similar erratic member.

Mr. Clown said:
I'm also on the watch (while the others are sleeping, I'm watching and viceversa).
So please PM me also if you find a similar erratic member.
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Batman? LOL

Batman is john connor
Sent from my X10i using XDA App

Thread cleanup, can everyone stop messing with omegared with no reason. We are discussing about other thing in this thread.
Thanks,

Ok, I will take a look in future threads !

-PiLoT- said:
yeah i agree his posts are nonsensical. i remembered the other user i had trouble with. Its was iHim.
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Oh yes, iHim, I remember... did he not return a few times with names like SEinside or something like that? Pain in the @ss...
Will look and report. I just hope you're not gonna be spammed with reports about threads they BELIEVE to be j.Anderson, while it's just a noob who's looking for help

qwer23 said:
Oh yes, iHim, I remember... did he not return a few times with names like SEinside or something like that? Pain in the @ss...
Will look and report. I just hope you're not gonna be spammed with reports about threads they BELIEVE to be j.Anderson, while it's just a noob who's looking for help
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buddy have you read his posts? none of them have any resemblance to a noob looking for help, they're fairly unique & weird and not in a good way

riginal said:
buddy have you read his posts? none of them have any resemblance to a noob looking for help, they're fairly unique & weird and not in a good way
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lol they remind me of the scribblings in the film "A Beautiful Mind"....
Except for the fact that his mind is not beautiful

riginal said:
buddy have you read his posts? none of them have any resemblance to a noob looking for help, they're fairly unique & weird and not in a good way
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lol I know that, I read his posts. But he seems so helpless to me ^^ If you read his posts it's to me like 'did he even read the last answer or any post in this thread? Did he even use Android once?' I mean, what was that thing with this Office 2k certificates?! Seriously... That's what I meant what reminds me of a noob

aR_ChRiS said:
Batman? LOL
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Yes? Did someone flash the Bat-signal?
Windst said:
Batman is john connor
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No. Batman is Bruce Wayne.

I already got 3.1 running flawless.

Well, I just download the 3.1 zip file from the Chinese site and install it in my acer
i notice that some programs just stop working at all...
.....GAMES
.....MULTIMEDIA
.....E-READING
.....GMAIL WIDGET
all were gone....well i got frustrated a lil' bit i wasn't happy at all with this...
and here comes the magic....i chose to go for the "factory reset"..trying to get back to v.3.01 and when i did the factory reset ....all the programs that stop working from the first update came back and working very good..and when i check my version of android is was the 3.1...
WHAT I'M TRYING TO TELLING YOU GUYS IS THAT GO FOR THE FACTORY RESET
TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS... AND PLEASE LET ME KNOW..WE'RE ALL HERE TO HELP EACH OTHER...GOOD LOOK

aeva said:
Well, I just download the 3.1 zip file from the Chinese site and install it in my acer
i notice that some programs just stop working at all...
.....GAMES
.....MULTIMEDIA
.....E-READING
.....GMAIL WIDGET
all were gone....well i got frustrated a lil' bit i wasn't happy at all with this...
and here comes the magic....i chose to go for the "factory reset"..trying to get back to v.3.01 and when i did the factory reset ....all the programs that stop working from the first update came back and working very good..and when i check my version of android is was the 3.1...
WHAT I'M TRYING TO TELLING YOU GUYS IS THAT GO FOR THE FACTORY RESET
TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS... AND PLEASE LET ME KNOW..WE'RE ALL HERE TO HELP EACH OTHER...GOOD LOOK
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Troll somewhere else.

n1nj4dude said:
Troll somewhere else.
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I don't think this ones a troll.

it's not a troll
Just try it and you will find out for yourself...

n1nj4dude said:
Troll somewhere else.
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It's not a troll. He's saying that he used the Chinese official 3.1 update.zip, which caused some apps to force close when he ran them. He then did a factory reset (which just deleted all userdata without touching the ROM), and that caused them to work again.
It isn't new info, but it's not trolling either - he is right.

orion421 said:
I don't think this ones a troll.
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You sir are a moron. His instructions DO WORK.
Think before you type next time.

Digiguest said:
You sir are a moron. His instructions DO WORK.
Think before you type next time.
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Actually he confirmed what you're saying so you should think before you type (or learn to read) before you start calling people morons. Now you've just became one yourself.
But please let this topic die.

bpivk said:
Actually he confirmed what you're saying so you should think before you type (or learn to read) before you start calling people morons. Now you've just became one yourself.
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Not at all. I did read....and unlike you I understood and confirmed this works for the moron above...now I am quoting ANOTHER moron.
This place must be full of them!

He essentially wiped data/cache after installing the rom instead of before. Same effect.
Moral of the story -> stop being lazy and wipe, i know people read it in the instructions and just choose not to then complain about FC's and other "bugs"

Digiguest said:
You sir are a moron. His instructions DO WORK.
Think before you type next time.
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Might want to read what I wrote again eh.

rquinn19 said:
He essentially wiped data/cache after installing the rom instead of before. Same effect.
Moral of the story -> stop being lazy and wipe, i know people read it in the instructions and just choose not to then complain about FC's and other "bugs"
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NOT according to "some" of the posts in thread ... just proved that people don't read instructions or posts properly !

Digiguest said:
Not at all. I did read....and unlike you I understood and confirmed this works for the moron above...now I am quoting ANOTHER moron.
This place must be full of them!
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add yourself to that list smart ass !!
you originally quoted the wrong post and was pointed out by a member... go back and read what you originally misquoted !!
I have no tolerance for people that can't take constructive criticism... this is when the brain stop learning.

<sits back and toasts marshmallows over the flame war..>
<Mmm toasty marshmallows...>

Digiguest said:
You sir are a moron. His instructions DO WORK.
Think before you type next time.
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You sir are a moron. You are flamming everyone else but the one that actually made the comment. I'm the one that reacted to fast and called him a troll. Dumbass. Gtfo.
Take your advice, THINK before you type, ass.

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<sits back and toasts marshmallows over the flame war..>
<Mmm toasty marshmallows...>
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Grabs a seat, may I share one of your marshmellows?

boganslaw said:
Grabs a seat, may I share one of your marshmellows?
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I've got graham crackers and chocolate bars!! Smores anyone?
Sent from my A500 using XDA Premium App

Well you gotta give credit where it's do, he is a persistent little troll. Note I in no way am talking about the op here. Digiguest in case you don't know I am in fact talking about you. Clear enough for you?

boganslaw said:
Grabs a seat, may I share one of your marshmellows?
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You certainly may.
<offers a pre-toasted marshmallow>
Have this one while yours is cooking..

yummmmmm
Can I ahhh have like some fat free marshmellows
giggles as if they.oops neverming
Guys play nice and be polite to everyone.if you don't like someone post just leave and don't be rude
Please

erica_renee said:
Can I ahhh have like some fat free marshmellows
giggles as if they.oops neverming
Guys play nice and be polite to everyone.if you don't like someone post just leave and don't be rude
Please
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Ahh - I think you've had too many of the liqueur marshmallows already!!
Sit down, pull up a log..
<hands Erica a lovely pre-toasted (fat-free) marshmallow>

Exploit in Exynos 4!! - We might all want to take a look at this - Cheers Chainfire

I think we should all take a look at this.
As always, good job we have the outstanding Chainfire on our side
He has made an app for us to disable the exploit, cheers CF.
It is the second article down.
http://www.xda-developers.com/tag/all-android/
Get fixin lads... (and girls)
MJ-12

We already aware of the same its an old story already a post on this, but thanks anyways

samir_a said:
We already aware of the same its an old story already a post on this, but thanks anyways
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I didn't see it, and I couldn't know to search for such a thing.
Maybe this should be pinned???
MJ-12

MJ-12 said:
I didn't see it, and I couldn't know to search for such a thing.
Maybe this should be pinned???
MJ-12
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2051147
This is the thread

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MJ-12 said:
I didn't see it, and I couldn't know to search for such a thing.
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Anybody that reads a tech website knows about it. Samsung's already put out a press release acknowledging the problem. When it's fixed, I'm sure they'll know about it before we will and put out another press release. Nothing's going to hijack your device that you don't allow. Don't visit sketchy websites, download iffy apps with a low number of users, and don't accept certificates from website's you're not comfortable with. For the time being I'd disable "Unknown sources" in settings and enable "Certificates" in the browsers security settings. Samir pointed out earlier the naive could get in trouble accidentally. We here aren't naive.

May be i used the wrong word what i ment was an normal user who is a layman when it comes to tech and believe there are many on this site to who come for advice.

Will i still be able to update to the jellybean ota after this root method?
sent from my "Ur IPhone will never do this" Phone

BarryH_GEG said:
Anybody that reads a tech website knows about it. Samsung's already put out a press release acknowledging the problem. When it's fixed, I'm sure they'll know about it before we will and put out another press release. Nothing's going to hijack your device that you don't allow. Don't visit sketchy websites, download iffy apps with a low number of users, and don't accept certificates from website's you're not comfortable with. For the time being I'd disable "Unknown sources" in settings and enable "Certificates" in the browsers security settings. Samir pointed out earlier the naive could get in trouble accidentally. We here aren't naive.
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wtf are you rambling about....
The guy said that he hadn't seen a post in this section, so posted it...

We are not rambling if read the post carefully the replies have nothing to do with member posting the same topic again.
and the way i see it we are having a discussion not grumbling

samir_a said:
We are not rambling if read the post carefully the replies have nothing to do with member posting the same topic again.
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i didn't quote you, i quoted barryH.... maybe its a bad day, but i found the reply slightly condesending towards the op
the thread said:
MJ12 said:
I think we should all take a look at this.....
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We already aware of the same its an old story already a post on this, but thanks anyways
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MJ12 said:
I didn't see it, and I couldn't know to search for such a thing.
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BarryH said:
MJ12 said:
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Anybody that reads a tech website knows about it.....
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samir_a said:
We already aware of the same its an old story already a post on this, but thanks anyways
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I just want to say - this is the most civil 'there's already a thread on this' post I've seen in quite a while. Kudos.