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Should I return the MyTouch 1.2?

I just switch from a Nokia N900 to a MyTouch because I wanted a simple Android phone I could root and run wifi tether for root users on to give an Ipad wi/fi net access when away from hotspots.
Turns out, the MyTouch (1.2) has recently been updated and what I got instead was a phone that took a lot of work to root for little gain--the wifi tether won't run and barnacle tether gets about 6kb/s at best. I'm running a decent rom right now, but the lack of wifi-tether is killing the experience for me.
I've still got time to return this phone, and I'm wondering if there's even a possibility that this phone will ever get a kernel with netfilter. Anyone know?
Other questions:
What other phones are options? Should I go back to a G1, the N900 (which can, with some work, serve as a wifi hotspot), or possibly stretch for a nexus one? Can either of the cliq models be rooted to run wifi-tether? I'm with Tmobile USA by the way.
Any responses would be helpful. Thanks.

yes you should if you cant wait for there to be more attention on this phone.

i would get the mytouch slide(if it gets tether) or nexus one

Driving in a 3G area right now, and my little my touch 1.2 is barnacle tethered to my iPad, providing 200kb/s for this browsing, while google navigating our route and playing music through the stereo. Forget a nexus one, this capable little phone can handle everything I need it to with ease.I'll be keeping it.

I switched back to my 1.2 from a 32B MT recently as well, trust me this thing is getting some good attention right now(~8 new recent roms, granted most of them minus the CM prot have a lot of work needed).

Root or No Root

Hey guys, I have been using smart phones for a while and usually get around great without rooting. I had the HTC Dream back in the day and couldnt use it without rooting, lol. I am upgrading from the G1 which has met the end of the road for me. What are the benefits of rooting? With the Vibrant which I will finally have on Tuesday, is it necessary? And if it is HIGHLY recommended, how do I go about rooting it?

i would say root it cause its really easy takes not even 5 minutes seriously lol but i would also root it cause there is lots of bloatware on this thing so many apps that arent needed

I am not generally a rooter but this one seemed so easy (and it is) that I did it.
I didn't root the phone to dig into the files, I did it just so I could install stuff that I couldn't otherwise install. It bugged me to see a cool app and then read "YOU MUST HAVE ROOT ACCESS". That's not a problem anymore.
You certainly don't lose anything by rooting so I would say go for it.

Any other disadvantages/advantages

really there are no disadvantages accept maybe warranty but i think theres a way to unroot so no probs but once everything starts picking up there will be way more advantages than disadvantages

Besides the fact of removing awful apps (Bloatware), you can use your phone to tether. Also you can use an app called SetCPU to overclock your processor to actaully use your 1GHZ processor which speeds your phone up, along with a ton of other root apps. Youll be able to flash custom ROMS, flash themes, etc. Not sure if there is a volume hack for the vibrant yet, but that has been a reason for past rooted phones as well.
I highly recommend it...

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reasons to root
1. Use apps that require root access (such as Titanium Backup and Drocap2)
2. Remove preloaded bloatware (who needs TeleNav when Google Maps Navigation is totally free?)
3. Full access to filesystem (useful for developers and general tinkerers)
reasons not to root
1. Always involves some risk (however small) of irreversibly damaging your device
2. Could void warranty or official support
3. Makes it easier for you to accidentally mess up your system.

I only rooted my mytouch and g1 phones so i can get apps2sd, wi-tethering, and overclockcpu.
however, since the upcoming froyo update will allow most of that, i chose not to root for the time being. the phone is very fast and stable for my current needs and has an ample amount of internal memory. the only other reason to root for me would be to flash roms/themes because of my dislike for Samsung's TouchWiz.
it depends on what you ultimately want to get out of your phone.

ryan562 said:
I only rooted my mytouch and g1 phones so i can get apps2sd, wi-tethering, and overclockcpu.
however, since the upcoming froyo update will allow most of that, i chose not to root for the time being. the phone is very fast and stable for my current needs and has an ample amount of internal memory. the only other reason to root for me would be to flash roms/themes because of my dislike for Samsung's TouchWiz.
it depends on what you ultimately want to get out of your phone.
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Same for me i had the g1 loved to root however i switched to unlocked iphone and now im back with the vibrant , the vibrant does everything i want now and the ease of the rooting might have me root if froyo is delayed by Tmobile or something.

Understood, also from reading I dont think there is a way to unroot the phone at all is it? And another ? since you all are being so helpful, is there already an app to at least see what speed your processor is running at. i know that task managers arent really needed, but some of them showed ur cpu speed as well as the load on it. is that something that anyone had an interest in and found. thanks for all of you all's help

Hmm, still debating on rooting. Waiting for my Froyo update. Plus I want to port my Harley-Davidson theme I made for my G1 to Vibrant. Hopefully they don't use those CRAMS files on Vibrant, cause that is when I had to stop themeing my G1. CRAMS was too difficult to mess with. Is the signing file method gonna be the same as G1, or is there a different testsign file? Plus I hope to see my stock file, plus a thinned down, less bloatware file, and themeing templates. So many factors to consider.

I say ROOT! I've never rooted a phone till this one. I just couldn't stand all the bloatware that was in this phone. They just had to be removed. Now all I'm waiting for are some sick ass ROMs I've seen done for other devices to hit this one. I'm sure I'll need help doing so, but this community has been fantastic when help is needed.
Plus side for me is that I also have a 3 week old New still in the box Nexus One as a backup phone in case I screw this one up.

I rooted mine because people kept saying you could tether, but none of the tethering apps actually WORK. They install fine, and Wireless-Tethering says it's working, but the access point never shows up. And Wired-Tethering says the kernel isn't compatible.
So I'd like to hear from any rooted users who actually got them working AND successfully tethered a laptop with it.

talltexan said:
Same for me i had the g1 loved to root however i switched to unlocked iphone and now im back with the vibrant , the vibrant does everything i want now and the ease of the rooting might have me root if froyo is delayed by Tmobile or something.
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if there's any delay on the froyo update, i'd blame it on samsung

I was hoping not to have to root the phone so soon - especially until I could reset it back and a recover like Amon's is available, but after a glorious couple of days of honeymoon, the lags are just killing the experience for me. And I don't think I have a choice now, but to root. I'll try a general reset and see if it works. I have another Vibrant that seems to be only slightly laggy. But I have to return that one and keep the problematic one :-(
Even moving icons on the desktop now takes almost 2 second. Linpack still clocks at 8.5. No problem at all playing a video - just OS operations. The camera froze for 5 minutes and I finally had to just restart the phone. Restarting the phone is not painful on this device though. Very fast.

At this time so early in Vibrant development.. it honestly doesn't really make much of a difference if you root early or root later. Just enjoy the phone for what it is as of right now until the modding community becomes settled in. Just be aware if there are any incoming OTAs if you are unrooted to make sure that the OTA didn't do anything that would change the rooting process.
- Recovery (ability to flash custom ROMs) is in the making
- Custom ROM developers -- in the makes soon
So here's the question. Should I go ahead and invest on a Vibrant (but work for it will begin when I get the Slide done) cont... about 7 hours ago via HTC Peep
If I keep getting the donations I am now, I can get the laptop along with the Vibrant, just considering the Vibrant first ...cont about 7 hours ago via HTC Peep -WesGarner
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I would personally go ahead and root it to unlock some essential applications and it takes <1 minute to do and its pretty simple. But there isn't any rush to root it now or later.. not at least CyanogenMod6 (Android 2.2) gets released for this beastly phone to have JIT.

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N8QDogg said:
Understood, also from reading I dont think there is a way to unroot the phone at all is it? And another ? since you all are being so helpful, is there already an app to at least see what speed your processor is running at. i know that task managers arent really needed, but some of them showed ur cpu speed as well as the load on it. is that something that anyone had an interest in and found. thanks for all of you all's help
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With the root method given so far, I think the only thing you have to do to unroot it is to remove Superuser Permissions. That's the only thing that the root procedure added to the phone.

I'm rooting my phone when I get it, just because to me (at least) it is a part of the true android experience. I'm just geek enough to like to play with my equipment! Hurry up T-Mobile!!!

[Q] Rooting and Roms.

Here on Xda, i've seen a lot talked about dealing with rooting and custom Roms.
Now I know rooting will root your device and give you admin privileges, What I don't know is what exactly I would use that for. (This is my first android device)
Also I have no idea what a custom rom is.
Now I know there has been talk about Moto possibly not going through with the 4g upgrade if you're device is rooted and/or running different software other than stock. So all that aside, if I chose to root my device, what benefits would I recieve from doing so (The only one besides the admin privilege (Which I still am unsure of possible uses for those privileges) is that i'll be able to connect to ad hoc wifi spots. Mainly mifi which is my jailbroken iPhone 3gs's tethering app)?
Also, if someone would like to add a little detail, or a link to a good source, what exactly are custom roms?
I don't plan on rooting my device just yet, I'll wait for you excellent people to work out the bugs for us end users, and I'll also wait to see what Moto has to say about this, but I would like to know.
My personal opinion, if Moto does do this about the 4g upgrade, I'd consider it a "bait and Switch" which is illegal. However, if they can prove that for some reason rooting will disrupt the upgrade for any reason, then they might be able to get away with it.

A custom ROM is a modified version of Android. Since Android is partially open source, and there is a huge developer following, you can find some really awesome software that brings a lot more power to your device. Not only that, but with an unlocked bootloader (like the Xoom has), you can flash different kernels to your device, which can fix (or introduce ) bugs or improve performance.
From what I have heard, Moto will refuse to perform the 4G LTE upgrade IF YOU SEND THEM A NON-STOCK Xoom. That is, they don't want to deal with problems because you're sending them incompatible software. Seems reasonable to me.

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A custom ROM is a modified version of Android. Since Android is partially open source, and there is a huge developer following, you can find some really awesome software that brings a lot more power to your device. Not only that, but with an unlocked bootloader (like the Xoom has), you can flash different kernels to your device, which can fix (or introduce ) bugs or improve performance.
From what I have heard, Moto will refuse to perform the 4G LTE upgrade IF YOU SEND THEM A NON-STOCK Xoom. That is, they don't want to deal with problems because you're sending them incompatible software. Seems reasonable to me.
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Thanks for your quick response. That helped enough that I'll know what i'm looking for when I go to google it.
I agree with you that it seems reasonable, but my only problem is for the people that have already done this. Releasing a devise with an unlocked bootloader (I only know what this is because i was one of those unfortunate souls that tried to jailbreak a 3gs last year after Apple quietly released a new bootloader) should have meant Moto would assume it would be rooted/flashed/whatever.
I just think that if this is a fact (That doing this will make your device incapable of working with the new hardware) it should have been mentioned a day or two before the release. Or at least the day of.
Does this mean you won't be able to root or put a custom ROM after the upgrade?

With many devices, tethering is a huge boon, however you do not need root for that on this device. There are however quite a few apps that are handy, and require root...
Blueput (ps3 controller in development)
Titanium
Overclocking and Undervolting apps (very nice for battery life)
widgetlocker (lock screan customizations)
widgetsoid (custom pull down options)
and roms...
Think of roms like you would the OS of a PC. Being able to use these roms alows you to keep up with Googles updats, not just motorolas, as well as removing bloatware etc.

jondwillis said:
A custom ROM is a modified version of Android. Since Android is partially open source, and there is a huge developer following, you can find some really awesome software that brings a lot more power to your device. Not only that, but with an unlocked bootloader (like the Xoom has), you can flash different kernels to your device, which can fix (or introduce ) bugs or improve performance.
From what I have heard, Moto will refuse to perform the 4G LTE upgrade IF YOU SEND THEM A NON-STOCK Xoom. That is, they don't want to deal with problems because you're sending them incompatible software. Seems reasonable to me.
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Please make sure you note that this is rumor at best and that Moto is still working on a response to this issue. You can follow it through the link I left in the developers forums, or search for it.

Morkai Almandragon said:
With many devices, tethering is a huge boon, however you do not need root for that on this device. There are however quite a few apps that are handy, and require root...
Blueput (ps3 controller in development)
Titanium
Overclocking and Undervolting apps (very nice for battery life)
widgetlocker (lock screan customizations)
widgetsoid (custom pull down options)
and roms...
Think of roms like you would the OS of a PC. Being able to use these roms alows you to keep up with Googles updats, not just motorolas, as well as removing bloatware etc.
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I'm still a little confused. I know jailbreaking and rooting is different. But just for the sake of explaining myself, I jailbreak my iphone and get Cydia. Are these apps, specifically the ps3 controller, downloadable through the android market/ another market/ or right off the developers site?
Basically if I root my device, do I have to search the web for custom ROMS (I know none are available now, or at least any good one) or is there another market to search through like cydia?
EDIT: I know you can tether, but I am almost positive it is impossible to tether any android device to an ad hoc network. At least my Xoom will not see my ssid, and even trying to manually add this information, the Xoom will insist it can't see the router (or in this case my jailbroken 3gs from att). If I am wrong and it can be tethered to ad hoc networks without rooting PLEASE inform me how. Also if I am right and you can't, can someone please explain to me why not. Why would rooting your device allow you to connect? Why can't it without rooting? I know there is probably a reason behind it, but with the knowledge I have, I cannot come up with any good reason on why it just can't connect to the ad hoc network.

jondwillis said:
From what I have heard, Moto will refuse to perform the 4G LTE upgrade IF YOU SEND THEM A NON-STOCK Xoom. That is, they don't want to deal with problems because you're sending them incompatible software. Seems reasonable to me.
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I'm sorry, but that is not reasonable. We are talking about a hardware upgrade. Nobody is asking them to touch the software.
If they don't want to install the drivers, that's fine - but they have no right to deny us the hardware we were promised at purchase due to software modification.

firepacket said:
I'm sorry, but that is not reasonable. We are talking about a hardware upgrade. Nobody is asking them to touch the software.
If they don't want to install the drivers, that's fine - but they have no right to deny us the hardware we were promised at purchase due to software modification.[/QUOT
Um, imagine you flash something that makes it impossible for them to correctly batch upgrade your device. You're screwing up their process and costing them money, not to mention slowing down the process for other paying customers. How hard is it to backup your device??
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RadDudeTommy said:
I'm still a little confused. I know jailbreaking and rooting is different. But just for the sake of explaining myself, I jailbreak my iphone and get Cydia. Are these apps, specifically the ps3 controller, downloadable through the android market/ another market/ or right off the developers site?
Basically if I root my device, do I have to search the web for custom ROMS (I know none are available now, or at least any good one) or is there another market to search through like cydia?
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Apps that take advantage of root permissions are available through both the android market and from developers' websites. A perfect example of this is the SuperuserPermissions application. You can get it here (on XDA) or in the Market.
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EDIT: I know you can tether, but I am almost positive it is impossible to tether any android device to an ad hoc network. At least my Xoom will not see my ssid, and even trying to manually add this information, the Xoom will insist it can't see the router (or in this case my jailbroken 3gs from att). If I am wrong and it can be tethered to ad hoc networks without rooting PLEASE inform me how. Also if I am right and you can't, can someone please explain to me why not. Why would rooting your device allow you to connect? Why can't it without rooting? I know there is probably a reason behind it, but with the knowledge I have, I cannot come up with any good reason on why it just can't connect to the ad hoc network.
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I think you may be confused on the terminology here. With regard to tablets and phones, when we say we are "tethering" it means we use the device's 3G (or 4G) data connection to create an internet connection for another device (usually a Laptop or other mobile device). This connection can either be over USB, WiFi, and Bluetooth. USB, Bluetooth, and WiFi tethering are possible on the Xoom without root, although on other devices it previously required root (unless your device had a wireless hotspot option which your carrier charged you extra to use).

Heres a good link that explains Custom ROMs and Rooting.
And probably the most popular custom ROM is Cyanogen Mod.. heres a little blurb from their website.
CyanogenMod (pronounced sigh-AN-oh-jen-mod), is a customized, aftermarket firmware distribution for several Android devices (See above for supported devices & how to install CyanogenMod on said devices). Based on the Android Open Source Project, CyanogenMod is designed to increase performance and reliability over Android-based ROMs released by vendors and carriers such as Google, T-Mobile, HTC, etc. CyanogenMod also offers a variety features & enhancements that are not currently found in these versions of Android.
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Hopefully once Honeycomb's source is posted, they will take it and apply their "mods" and tweaks to it and release a new version for our tablet. (which is likely since it has an unlocked boot loader.)
Now regarding the 4G upgrade not being applied to rooted devices.. theres a easy work around. Once it comes time to send it to Moto, simply flash everything back to stock and relock the bootloader. Moto won't even be able to tell that anything has been done to it. Then once you get it back with its fancy new LTE radio installed, unlock the bootloader again and go ahead and re-root it.

Providers Stopping Root and Tether?

I was talking to a friend today about rooting his phone so he can tether in certain situations. He was having trouble getting tether to work. He has the Droid2 with Verizon. I have the Evo4g with Sprint and didn't have any problems a few months back. Now this is news to me, but he heard that the providers and the FCC are starting to crack down on tethering to the point where they are blocking it for rooted users and possibly stopping rooting capabilities altogether. I'm just wondering what everyone else knows about this information. Leave some feedback, thanks!

I have a d2 and I decided not to move to gingerbread over bug issues and added tethering security from verizen. Ill just stick with froyo, until I see a non verizon rom worth moving to.

It appears that the carriers now have the capability to detect and block tethering. When I was running the Gingerbread leak and using a tethering program, I suddenly got a web page that asked me to enroll for a tethering plan. I don't know whether this was due to some enhancements on Verizon's end, or whether Gingerbread for the D2 contains code that allows them to do this.
I read somewhere that new undetectable methods of tethering are going to be released soon.
As for preventing people from rooting their devices, that is pretty much impossible. There will always be security flaws that can be exploited to gain root. The carriers have pretty much no control over this. It might be possible for them to kick rooted devices off the network, but the probability of this happening is pretty low. A bunch of people got all riled up about this several months ago, and then nothing happened.

Android Hacker Koush Makes Mobile Internet Tethering Undetectable By Carriers

[Q] Should i keep stock or root?

Ok so I been rooting phones for a while since HTC Hero, HTC Evo, HTC Evo Shift, and now Samsung Galaxy SII Epic 4G Touch. I mainly rooted for WiFi tether, better battery life, some 3g and SD card speed tweaks, and to ditch bloatware which pretty much sums up the main reasons for rooting. I never cared for Apps to SD since it
What are the major benefits of rooting this tablet that I wouldn't have on stock. Is it even worth rooting this tablet?
I don't have the tablet yet, I Just ordered it online today with the keyboard which I heard adds about 6 hours extra to the life.

Full access and control of your own device and all the benefits that come with it. Nuff said.
Rooting your TF is really simple btw. The actual rooting process isn't simple but the smart guys make tools for us to use and make it really easy.
There's absolutely no downside to rooting. None.
No, Asus is not going to deny your warranty for defective hardware just because you rooted.
The official statement might be "rooting voids warranty" but it is hardly ever enforced, if at all.

That is really up to you. Since you have rooted all those phone, you clearly know what the power of root is and why to do it. I bought mine and within 30 minutes of getting it home it was rooted, debloated and flashed a custom ROM on it. This was before the ICS update. Then when the update came out and there were/are reboot problems, BC I had root I have been able to successfully solve that issue (for myself at least) . I suggest you read, read and read some more. Then decide if rooting the tablet is really something you want. It is Android but some things are very different from your phone.

Ok well thanks for the replies. I guess I will have to find out when I get the tablet in my hands.

Like you I have rooted all of my phones. Tethering is the main reason I have rooted my phones and my Transformer is what I want to tether.
I have had my Transformer for about a year and it is still not rooted. I haven't come across a reason to root it yet. Every time an update comes out from ASUS my Transformer updates itself like it is supposed to without any extra hassles. It is my understanding that this is not the case with rooted Transformers.

I root mainly to block ads and to install a firewall restricting apps that don't need Internet access from accessing the Internet and reporting my activity. You also want root if you want to fully use Titanium Backup. If you can set up ADB, rooting is very easy right now with ViperMod. Then installing Voodoo OTA Rootkeeper allows you to unroot and reroot whenever you want for situations like OTA updates, in theory anyway. The bigger obstacle people run into with the OTA updates is more because they changed the recovery files than because they rooted, or because they deleted some of the ASUS preinstalled apps. In my case, it was also because I had installed Chainfire 3D.