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Heated discussion on Engadget about Tab sales

http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/22/samsung-says-its-sold-600-000-galaxy-tabs-worldwide/
iFans are out in force having a tough time swallowing the truth of a most certain (in their eyes) "DOA" product. They are in disbelief! lol

ConceptVBS said:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/22/samsung-says-its-sold-600-000-galaxy-tabs-worldwide/
iFans are out in force having a tough time swallowing the truth of a most certain (in their eyes) "DOA" product. They are in disbelief! lol
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They just got a multitasking upgrade today, how is that DOA?

knightnz said:
They just got a multitasking upgrade today, how is that DOA?
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i believe the DOA they are talking about is the tab..

Yeah, I've been banging on that discussion all day.

^ I can see that.

Time will tell of course, but there's speculation here in the UK, that the carriers will begin to offer the iPad subsidized with a contract, and that by Xmas you'll be able to pick up an iPad for £200.
IMHO, I doubt that this will actually increase iPad sales much. The best selling iPads are the WiFi only models because it's simply too large to carry about for most users. The same is not true of the Tab.
I don't believe that the Tab will get anywhere close to the iPad total sales, due to the power of the Apple brand, but with products like the Advent Vega and Toshiba Folio, I think that Android tablets will do very well indeed, with the Tab occupying the "premium" space.
Regards,
Dave

Honestly, everyone looks with interest at my tab, then say, it cant be better than the iPad though surely.
I give them a 2 minute demo. No one has come back to me saying the iPad is better after my demo.
Only reason people would say the iPad is better, is because of the power of marketing (or if they really did require 10")

I don't know why we should waste time with Engadget readers (no offense ) Let them enjoy what they think/have. It's so obvious that Engadget is Steve's bud. How on earth a N8 12MP camera is not any better than the iP camera is beyond me.

I wonder how many people are going to be returning their tab after using it for a week and going, hmmm, this can't replace my phone, it surely can't replace my lt... why am I carrying this thing around again? - Ohh, that's right! Angry Birds!
Returning mine to T-Mobile this week.

dalethefarmer said:
I wonder how many people are going to be returning their tab after using it for a week and going, hmmm, this can't replace my phone, it surely can't replace my lt... why am I carrying this thing around again? - Ohh, that's right! Angry Birds!
Returning mine to T-Mobile this week.
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I don't understand why anyone ever thought this was going to replace their phone......does the argument that a netbook will replace your phone make any more sense? No.....
Personally I never looked at the tablet market as something that would replace any other device I have. Tablets, for me at least, are a WANT item and not a NEED item like my work laptop or my phone. I purchased the Tab for those times I'm on the go and want entertainment and games on something with a screen that's bigger than 4 inches (phone)
Now....Can the tab do almost everything my phone can do? Yes.....Are some tasks easier on the tab than on the phone? Yes.....But vice versa my phone can do some things MUCH better than my tab and for that reason it will never fully replace my phone...
I guess I'm just not buying anyone's "I bought it to replace so and so" argument.....no one out there is buying an ipad to replace an iphone or an ipod touch or a mac computer. They're simply adding to their arsenal of electronics which I'm all for

I do replace my N97 w the tab. There is a thing called bluetooth u know
To each of his own
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dalethefarmer said:
I wonder how many people are going to be returning their tab after using it for a week and going, hmmm, this can't replace my phone, it surely can't replace my lt... why am I carrying this thing around again? - Ohh, that's right! Angry Birds!
Returning mine to T-Mobile this week.
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I travel a fair amount, so this thing is ideal for those countless hours in airports, hotel restaurants, cabs, etc. Sure, it does everything my Galaxy S phone can, but it does it better, and it does it longer, while still being portable.
I also use the HELL out of it around the house. I'm no longer chained to my PC or laptop, I can and do use it comfortably all over the place. Reading, surfing, music, movies, and yes, even a little Angry Birds. Beats the hell out of a laptop on the loo, I might add.
I've even gotten good use out of it at work, and that doesn't count emails.
Long story short, this doesn't really replace anything, but it fills some rather large gaps quite nicely. Some you don't even realize exist.

The tab almost completely replaced my phone.
I use it 90% of my time (with a BT headset). The only time I take my phone instead of the tab is when I go out at night.
It also replaced my laptop almost completely .
I hardly touch the thing anymore.
The only time I touched my laptop last week was when I had to draft a long email. Other than that the tab does everything I need and does it well.

Croak said:
I also use the HELL out of it around the house. I'm no longer chained to my PC or laptop, I can and do use it comfortably all over the place. Reading, surfing, music, movies, and yes, even a little Angry Birds. Beats the hell out of a laptop on the loo, I might add.
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I couldn't agree with this more - my Tab follows me everywhere around the house, and is now my primary source of internet and multimedia when I'm not otherwise sat at my desk in front of a PC for work.
And yes, it makes web browsing whilst sitting on the throne far more comfortable!
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Dave

foxmeister said:
I couldn't agree with this more - my Tab follows me everywhere around the house, and is now my primary source of internet and multimedia when I'm not otherwise sat at my desk in front of a PC for work.
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Even in front of a PC the Tab is great for playing the sort of video that is work-related but doesn't require 100% attention.

kupuguy said:
Even in front of a PC the Tab is great for playing the sort of video that is work-related but doesn't require 100% attention.
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same thing too. my tab acts as a "second" screen. doing work on my mbp and browsing websites/watching movie on my tab.
the tab got me back to reading. ebooks ftw! had the ipad but its just too heavy to hold but my tab is perfectly sized. the only thing i miss on the ipad is the built-in dictionary on ibooks. on the tab i have to go online for dictionary..

clovis_ll said:
same thing too. my tab acts as a "second" screen. doing work on my mbp and browsing websites/watching movie on my tab.
the tab got me back to reading. ebooks ftw! had the ipad but its just too heavy to hold but my tab is perfectly sized. the only thing i miss on the ipad is the built-in dictionary on ibooks. on the tab i have to go online for dictionary..
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There's an app for that. And it multitasks too, you know.

Croak said:
There's an app for that. And it multitasks too, you know.
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true that!

clovis_ll said:
true that!
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Try Aldiko. Still goes out to the web for dictionary lookups, but it's pretty painless. And it's a great epub reader, my favorite by far.

Croak said:
Try Aldiko. Still goes out to the web for dictionary lookups, but it's pretty painless. And it's a great epub reader, my favorite by far.
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yep that's what i am using right now.

Tablet for student

Hey guys, just wanted to know if anyone else is using the tablet for school. I see tons of kids with ipads and wanted to know if xoom will be able to function well for notes etc. will microsoft live apps work for onenote?
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I'm a student as well and plan to use the Xoom as my little studying tool. Right now, the iPad is definitely the best tablet for a student. It has some absolutely stunning applications, especially for history and chemistry. So far, I've seen nothing come even remotely close on android as far as quality goes, but I'm sure things will improve. As far as note taking applications goes, I'm not too sure what's available yet that's been optimized for tablets, but I'll find out on Thursday!

Not really. I personally hate using my laptop for taking notes, and I laugh at the kids in my lectures who pull out an ipad and start hammering away at the screen to write down. Frankly it's too slow.
It will be great for somethings, but to replace laptop like functionality in my opinion would be a no go

deadpixell said:
Not really. I personally hate using my laptop for taking notes, and I laugh at the kids in my lectures who pull out an ipad and start hammering away at the screen to write down. Frankly it's too slow.
It will be great for somethings, but to replace laptop like functionality in my opinion would be a no go
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If you had a dock and a wireless bluetooth keyboard, that would be phenomenal in class. Only downside is that it would attract attention like you're a damn celebrity or something.

I'll be using it for school. Word is that it will come with quickoffice which will do any Microsoft Office thing you would need it for. It can open, save, and create new documents. Goodbye netbook

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If you had a dock and a wireless bluetooth keyboard, that would be phenomenal in class. Only downside is that it would attract attention like you're a damn celebrity or something.
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Depending on the classroom you might not exactly have room for that as some people can hardly put their laptops on the desk .
It won't be for everyone, someone people will love it for note taking, I for one still prefer hand writing my notes

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Geez, you might as well get a netbook then =\

yep. Tablet+keyboard rocks. With quickoffice you can do almost anything needed in common use. I think there is onenote and other cool apps in the market. I personally use it in school, the only problem is that my school policy doesnt support non windows devices(which is stupid) and i have no internet.
G-Tablet works great so far.
Hope it helped.
"Geez, you might as well get a netbook then"
Netbooks are like poweless laptops. It is better to have a great device that can be both, a netbook and an entretainment system(With great software). XD

Pazzu510 said:
yep. Tablet+keyboard rocks. With quickoffice you can do almost anything needed in common use. I think there is onenote and other cool apps in the market. I personally use it in school, the only problem is that my school policy doesnt support non windows devices(which is stupid) and i have no internet.
G-Tablet works great so far.
Hope it helped.
"Geez, you might as well get a netbook then"
Netbooks are like poweless laptops. It is better to have a great device that can be both, a netbook and an entretainment system(With great software). XD
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I may invest in a keyboard.
Anybody know if its possible for students to get any discounts with VZW?

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Geez, you might as well get a netbook then =\
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True, but a tablet is much more versatile than a netbook. If the Xoom was $600 it'd be the perfect purchase, but $800 is cutting it a little close, especially after taxes. I plan on returning and rebuying the Wifi version when it comes out.

I personally plan on using this tablet at school, but not as a laptop replacement. There is now way I could possibly type all of my bio notes without a keyboard and I don't have room to drag around my bluetooth keyboard. I will just type them in my laptop and then they will sync with Evernote onto my Xoom. I orderd a capacitive stylus the other day... I am hoping in can use it for drawing quick diagrams.

Lawl, you buy a tablet, then buy a bluetooth keyboard. You might as well buy a mouse after too.
See the irony here?

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Lawl, you buy a tablet, then buy a bluetooth keyboard. You might as well buy a mouse after too.
See the irony here?
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Lol. I'm putting the Xoom on my own plan in my name. My phone line is still under my dad's, he gets 25% off accessories, so I'll buy the accessories with his plan at the same time :S

yep, but you cant deattach the screen of a laptop and use it as a tablet when you like it, thing you can do it with a tablet, a good portafolio case and a wireless mouse.

Im thinking with the onenote sync, I will be able to use it with some type of keyboard with a dock attached but that folds easily. Im sure they'll make one if one isn't mad yet.
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PoisonWolf said:
Lawl, you buy a tablet, then buy a bluetooth keyboard. You might as well buy a mouse after too.
See the irony here?
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I see the ridiculousness, but it's not quite comparable. As someone pointed out above, you can't take the keyboard off of your netbook, the battery life is worse, you can't put it in your lap in bed to watch a movie or read because you have to worry about blocking fans and overheating, you can't carry and use a netbook in a portfolio and read it like a book, etc.

parrotheadmjb said:
I may invest in a keyboard.
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invest in Swiftkey as it seems to be really innovative

SFBPro said:
I personally plan on using this tablet at school, but not as a laptop replacement. There is now way I could possibly type all of my bio notes without a keyboard and I don't have room to drag around my bluetooth keyboard. I will just type them in my laptop and then they will sync with Evernote onto my Xoom. I orderd a capacitive stylus the other day... I am hoping in can use it for drawing quick diagrams.
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Tell me about it. Sooooo many notes in Chemistry, it's ridiculous. However, if you use your laptop for notes, what's the point of putting them on the Xoom?

I plan on using it for school as well and I don't plan on getting a keyboard with it cuz I've already bought swiftkey. If you haven't looked at that demo on the xoom I would strongly recommend it.
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Arcadia310 said:
Tell me about it. Sooooo many notes in Chemistry, it's ridiculous. However, if you use your laptop for notes, what's the point of putting them on the Xoom?
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I want to be able to hold my notes like I can with paper, but not waste my ink/paper + keep the benefits of electronic documents. Also, I like having backups of everything. Using Evernote means my notes are more protected than if they were just in one or two locations. This is how I imagine it: Laptops/Desktops = creating content; Tablets = content consumption

[Q] best word and excel editing app?

Hello guys.
Wich would you consider to be the best office document editing app (especially for excell files) out there on the market, regardless of price?

Best MS compatibility for ME!!
QuickOffice HD- best compatibility I've found - about £9 in the market.
Only downside is that the app only accesses the internal memory (SDCard) not any external memory.
Hope someone can show me how soon.....

I use docs to go.there are several none out there that is great at everything
Another options get a Hotmail account. Windows live.they have a cloud service you store documents with them and can edit and create Ms documents but it requires data services

I found Polaris Office to be the best. You can even have it using all your favorite fonts if you put them in system/fonts.
Quickoffice HD is second best since it does miss proper size/alignments in ppt.
The rest can't even get page margins right, no use wasting your time for now.

I am currently on my quest to fin the perfect office app as well. I mainly bought my Iconia for college so I need an app to be able to write papers with. I bought QuickOffice HD and yeah you can change the font, align text and font size, but you can't really do much else. You can't resize margins, can't edit or insert headers, can't even I out bullets! All of these crucial features for writting your MLA paper. I even tried importing a document that already had a header in it and you can see the header but you can't edit it.
I gave DocsToGo a shot and it seemed more featured packed with the paragraph edit and bullet input options, but I didn't go too far I depth with it since it was only the trial.
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I found Polaris Office to be the best. You can even have it using all your favorite fonts if you put them in system/fonts.
Quickoffice HD is second best since it does miss proper size/alignments in ppt.
The rest can't even get page margins right, no use wasting your time for now.
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I'll have to give this one a try will report back!

polaris office is the very best IMO

You guys can apply for the beta for softmaker. I won't give more details, it's nothing to be curious about unless you really want to help. It is laggy and unusable on tablets and the UI is not yet optimized, but it can display the page perfectly, paragraphs columns, everything and won't break the compatibility with MSoffice.

Polaris!

I have Polaris office but since I upgraded to android 3.1 I keep getting force close issues.

lafatlife said:
I have Polaris office but since I upgraded to android 3.1 I keep getting force close issues.
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Me too. Had to uninstall it because of that.
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OutaDaDark said:
QuickOffice HD- best compatibility I've found - about £9 in the market.
Only downside is that the app only accesses the internal memory (SDCard) not any external memory.
Hope someone can show me how soon.....
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If you're rooted you can get USB Mount All, which can mount your external_sd under the internal one so any other app can access it. Works for me on QuickOffice HD and Docs to Go.
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Ive been using Google docs without problems... works great on the phone and on the computer using LibreOffice. Can't stand MSOffice and the ribbonface.

Are they the one who broke up from open office after oracle bought it?

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Are they the one who broke up from open office after oracle bought it?
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Yes, that's libre office. But Oracle has now donated OpenOffice back to the open source world (APACHE) and IBM has donated millions of lines of code to OpenOffice from its Symphony product, so I think this'll breathe new life into OpenOffice now. See
http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/ibm-donates-lotus-symphony-code-to-openoffice-34287
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The new evernote update includes skitch (basic inking)

I just updated to the newest version of Evernote today and it includes integration with skitch. Ive been waiting for something like this to take notes on since I got my transformer.
Anyone taking organic chem I think will quickly agree. I hope they include better word processing in the noting taking tool so I can move the included picture around and place it next to relevant text.

That is a nice update i've been trying to do some research on a good note-taking app for my husband - he's a chemistry major, too. Have you checked out Freenote at all? I kind of like it better, since it lets you draw and type in the same document and will resize your drawing to the size of a line. The only downside of course is it doesn't have Evernote's awesome cloud capabilities.

Well I saw your post and tried it, it's nice if you are a paying customer of evernote. I just have a hard time finding any benefits of evernote when I can use springnote for free that has the same capabilities that evernote minus the skitch part.
Which I could just use FreeNote or Writepad Stylus and share it with my springpad.
Though a step in the right direction, guess I'll keep an eye on the app and see where evernote takes it.

marinor said:
Well I saw your post and tried it, it's nice if you are a paying customer of evernote. I just have a hard time finding any benefits of evernote when I can use springnote for free that has the same capabilities that evernote minus the skitch part.
Which I could just use FreeNote or Writepad Stylus and share it with my springpad.
Though a step in the right direction, guess I'll keep an eye on the app and see where evernote takes it.
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You do not have to be a "paying customer" of Evernote to use the app. Not sure if the skitch integration requires a premium subscription or not though.
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Just checked. You don't need premium subscription.

[Q] would you rather the lapdock or a tablet?

so i've had the lapdock for a while, great accessory for the atrix.
i've recently been wanting to get a tablet. so i figure if i get the tablet, then i really wouldn't have any use for the lapdock. i've been looking into getting a nook color or something that simple. i wouldn't use the tablet for much, just like i currently don't use the lapdock for much. just internet browsing, videos, and typing up document on occasion.
so, i ask you all, would you prefer a tablet... or the lapdock for our phones?
thanks, all.

Very good question. I guess it would depend on the person and situations they would need either device for. I ended up getting a tablet (ipad2). Is the lap dock smooth and lag free? Never used one.
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andrew.cambridge said:
Very good question. I guess it would depend on the person and situations they would need either device for. I ended up getting a tablet (ipad2). Is the lap dock smooth and lag free? Never used one.
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may I ask about your specific usage that made you get a tablet instead? or what made you get a tablet?

I have a Lapdock and a blackberry Playbook and both are awesome, but I use the Playbook more at home since it's easier to access than the Lapdock. But I use the Lapdock when I am not at home for doing work. So I personally use both. I actually wish I could use the Lapdock more. Lol
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Voelker45 said:
I have a Lapdock and a blackberry Playbook and both are awesome, but I use the Playbook more at home since it's easier to access than the Lapdock. But I use the Lapdock when I am not at home for doing work. So I personally use both. I actually wish I could use the Lapdock more. Lol
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how do you use it for work, if you don't mind my asking.

ifalldownalot said:
may I ask about your specific usage that made you get a tablet instead? or what made you get a tablet?
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I'm not going to have the Atrix for as long as I would have the iPad. Me and my wife use it everyday. Everything we would do on the laptop we do on the ipad, minus word documents and typing because its just silly typing papers on the iPad. So Netflix, web browsing, catching up on Conan, Amazon, just normal stuff. And depending on the tablet, it would see more software support/ be supported for longer.
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I'm not going to have the Atrix for as long as I would have the iPad. Me and my wife use it everyday. Everything we would do on the laptop we do on the ipad, minus word documents and typing because its just silly typing papers on the iPad. So Netflix, web browsing, catching up on Conan, Amazon, just normal stuff. And depending on the tablet, it would see more software support/ be supported for longer.
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Actually if you get one of those bluetooth keyboard cases, typing documents on an iPad is nice. Sold mine for Note Accessory money though
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Sinful Animosity said:
Actually if you get one of those bluetooth keyboard cases, typing documents on an iPad is nice. Sold mine for Note Accessory money though
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yep. I was planning on using the tablet (if I purchased one) with a bluetooth keyboard and using it that way.

ifalldownalot said:
how do you use it for work, if you don't mind my asking.
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I meant school work, surfing the web, documents, or work out on the go.
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Well, I do use my lapdock for "real" work. Various development in mainly C, some assembly, C# and C++.
Most is simply vpn'd back to the office. 80% of my actual work is text based development, and that I do with a terminal ssh'd home.
For the small amount of stuff that requires me to use a windoes system, I can RDE back in. Not great, but not nearly as bad as one might suspect.
Occasionally I actually do local coding. But in this case I am really just editing and using gcc as a syntax checker.
To be honest, the biggest issue I have is the STUPID KEYBOARD LAYOUT (I hope moto is reading). There was plenty of room to have a standard'iish layout.
If one does not expect to do a lot of typing though, I would think a "paddock" would be a good idea for Moto.

to be honest, I've got lapdock and I have a XOOM2 for a test.
Iwont chane my Lapdock to any talbet. why?
after mod I have a fully Ubuntu, so why I have to change? so, if you wanna to get fully useable OS than I recommend to you Lapdock. If you wanna to see how it works, please visit my youtube profile

Lapdock is way too slow for anything.
Maybe after the ICS update it might be worth a look, however I would go for a tablet with a stand such as the archos g9 and a bt keyboard for productivity.
The lapdock is a great piece of hardware that's simply no utilized well enough to be worth it.

I agree completely with alexsupreme. Lapdock is just too slow to be usable. Mine was new from AT&T in December and I bet I've used it all of 2 hours. My tablet on the other hand has many, many hours of use logged since Christmas.

$53 for the lapdock at the time sounded good, but in retrospect that was still more than it's worth.

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$53 for the lapdock at the time sounded good, but in retrospect that was still more than it's worth.
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Ouch! That's like an icey-hot cold pack: so cold, and yet it burns.
I bought an iconia a500, and it has almost completely displaced my laptop. Only serious typing, graphics editing are still done on my laptop (and the pr0ns work better when I don't have to hold the screen up). I was looking at getting a lapdock next time they were on sale, but your scathing analysis is probably correct.

Actually, the new webtop 3.0 shows quite a bit of promise.
Sure it's not touch operational but you get a smooth speedy interface and access to tablet apps and browser.
The lapdock might actually be useful, especially with the variety of office apps and nice tablet games and emulators that might just be more playable with a keyboard and a mouse