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When I try to turn my phone on, it will not get passed the ROM loading screen (Energy blue logo). This is because the internal memory is full.
I really need to get into the file system to delete a file (and fix the problem) or copy certain stuff out - it has pictures of my fiance on to say the least, and I really want them.
But, as Windows won't boot I can't do this in the traditional way. Obviously I can still get into bootloader - so is there a way I can access the file system? A bit of software I can run on my laptop that can somehow access the file system through bootloader mode? All I need to do is identify a c.1mb file and delete it...
The background to all this is the phone was displaying messages about 'memory nearly full' - but it had done this before and just stopped, so I left it again. Except, at some point signal reception dropped and stayed at 0. So I rebooted, and got stuck at the loading screen - which is where we've been for the last few days now.
I really hope someone can help. If you can, I'll buy you a few beers.
Thanks,
David
Phone was running WM6.5 with HSPL (3 I'm fairly sure)
How in the hell did you manage to fill your internal memory up, why not just use a SD card for storage?
If you can get into bootloader, cant you simply connect it via activesync/wmdm and then just copy what you need and delete?
I think I took too many photos! Though I'm not exactly sure tbh... Some bug in the ROM kept changing the save dir from SD card to internal, but I did keep an eye on the space, perhaps just a few too many photos in one night...
Anyway ActiveSync isn't working (for me at least) in bootloader mode - don't I need to have Windows Mobile loaded?
Should activesync work in bootloader mode?
TheATHEiST said:
If you can get into bootloader, cant you simply connect it via activesync/wmdm and then just copy what you need and delete?
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doesnt work. you cant access the live file system from anywhere except within running wm.
You can dump off the rom partition into .raw files, but when you rebuilt it (in a ktchen) you would still only end up with the original rom as it was out of the box, no user data.
@OP, you could possibly go into bootloader, confirm 2.08.hspl, flash magldr, and then boot from an sd android, though i suspect you still wouldn't see the winmo files. (I assume there are now android builds that can be booted to and run from sd without the need for haret/winmo? i'm a nand man meself so unsure. )
It's what i'd try if it really was that critical, otherwise I'd weep for a little while, kick myself and write 'backup' post-its all over my office, then hard reset and move on.
Thanks for the advice - I will definitely try your suggestion before 'moving on', losing a whole bunch of contacts will also be a real pain.
Do you know of any threads/links explaining magldr and how it will help?
Is there no other way to access any part of the internal memory and just delete 1 file?
I found out that magldr has 2 commands:
"Boot WPH" - boots WPH from nand. WPH must be flashed before. NOT AVAILABLE now.
"USB Flasher" - use this item to flash Android or WPH.
Problem is the first one isn't yet available - maybe he would give me a beta though.
I assume WPH is Windows Phone. So if I had a version with 'Boot WPH' command working,
a) Could I flash Windows Phone into the nand (whatever that is)?
b) Once in booted & loaded WP7, could I view the WM6.5 files on the internal RAM?
I think I agree it is unlikely the files would be viewable within Android - surely it must use a different file system. Does WM use FAT32 for the internal memory?
Thanks
Bear in mind WP7 and winmo are two very different OSes.
WP7 has been out btw.
Once you flash the device, with MAGLDR, android or WP7, the internal storage is wiped so it makes no sense to flash it if you still want what is in it.
davenash said:
I found out that magldr has 2 commands:
"Boot WPH" - boots WPH from nand. WPH must be flashed before. NOT AVAILABLE now.
"USB Flasher" - use this item to flash Android or WPH.
Problem is the first one isn't yet available - maybe he would give me a beta though.
I assume WPH is Windows Phone. So if I had a version with 'Boot WPH' command working,
a) Could I flash Windows Phone into the nand (whatever that is)?
b) Once in booted & loaded WP7, could I view the WM6.5 files on the internal RAM?
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any type of flashing (nandroid, wp7 or wm) will destroy whats on there already, thus defeating the object.
There are more than two options in magldr, one of which is 'boot sd ad' for boot sd card android.
I think I agree it is unlikely the files would be viewable within Android - surely it must use a different file system. Does WM use FAT32 for the internal memory?
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its probably not an issue of the file system type, android (linux) can access fat partitions no problem. Its probably more to do with whether the sd builds can mount the internal rom or not.
Im no linux head at all, still fumbling in the dark though, so i could be wrong.
I followed directions correctly, i even played with my new android os for hours. now this happened
I have a big problem now I have chose the reboot option in android and it took me back to windows like normal I then choose ctrcad and I'm getting an error on both clrcad and Haret this is what it said " the file Haret cannot be opened. Either it is not signed with a trusted certificate or one of it's components cannot be found. If the problem persists try reinstalling or restoring the file". What's going on. I worked hard in setting up android the way I like it. I can't access it anymore
I sugest you post this in the thread from the rom you installed as it could be one of many
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I followed directions correctly, i even played with my new android os for hours. now this happened
I have a big problem now I have chose the reboot option in android and it took me back to windows like normal I then choose ctrcad and I'm getting an error on both clrcad and Haret this is what it said " the file Haret cannot be opened. Either it is not signed with a trusted certificate or one of it's components cannot be found. If the problem persists try reinstalling or restoring the file". What's going on. I worked hard in setting up android the way I like it. I can't access it anymore
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You should never choose the "reboot" option in Android on HD2, It can corrupt data on sd card which is what has likley happened here. If you want to go back to Windows when using a SD Android rom you should just power down and power on.
copy your data.img (if you want to save apps/data within android) and other data you may need from card and then format it with SDFormatter (FULL>Overwrite+Size Adjust) then put stuff back on card, rom and the data.img and boot back in.
or try to format your sd card with mini tool wizard.
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or try to format your sd card with mini tool wizard.
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Does this actually do a proper format, ie overwrite data or does it simply delete TOC or re-create partition?
Anyway, seems a bit overkill loading up a bloated partitioning tool just to format your card when you can use a simple small clean app like Panasonic SDFormatter.
Hi,
I'm trying to keep up with the thread on the development forumm but theres to mach going on there.
Can someone please explain what's that they are saying that the rom is locking the sd card and the tonight there will be another rom?
What all this about? whats the difference between the current rom and the new one?
Thanks
it locks the sd card meaning the sd can no longer be used as a regular sd card and will only work on a windows phone 7 device
yeah, at the moment, you have two choices
use the V1 ROM and be able to upgrade your ROM, you can install android still, you can not upgrade to 7712 / 7720 AND have access to your SD card UNLESS you lock the SD card
the second choice is use V2 ROM, this will lock your SD card from the start and enable updates to be much easier
Locking the SD card means that it can not be used at all on another device, Currently there isnt any software that can format the protected portion of the card, some hardware devices can format it, Some Nokia phones, some camera
Locking is actually very useful unless you want android on the same SD card
If you do want to use Android as well then get a second SD card and pop it in when you want to use it.
WP7 its self CAN clear a protected SD card but it will keep it protected, so you can reflash new WP7 ROMS with protected SD cards without any issues at all, but it will always be protected unless you use a Nokia type device.
You can also format a locked card using your wm6.5 on hd2;-)
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Thank you all!
pakure said:
You can also format a locked card using your wm6.5 on hd2;-)
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Not much use when you've got wp7 on it hey (unless you have 2 hd2's of course )
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You can also format a locked card using your wm6.5 on hd2;-)
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No, it cannot. It says it is damaged on my topaz.
A buggered up partition table can be fixed with a propper format which is what 99% of people say "fixes" a broken card.
However, a "Protected" Card can not be formatted in this way, im have a chat with the SD association at the moment to see whats what, so far it is a software limitation on the PC that is stopping us clearing that data, in short if someone writes a program to do it, it will do it, the question is how!
can you guys see the partition on a PC partition app but not modify it? Or can you not even see the partition?
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can you guys see the partition on a PC partition app but not modify it? Or can you not even see the partition?
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if a SD card has been locked its essentially unreadable in anything but the device that it was locked in, if you plug a locked (protected) SD card in a PC it will be detected in device manager but windows will not beable to access it, the SD association is a bit vague in their replys but apparently some OSs are able to format a protected card, MS isnt one of them unless there is undocumented flags that can be used at the command prompt, the best bet is probably Linux, I hate using Linux as a desktop but i do have it running as a VM server so i might give that a try a bit later
The funny thing is, its not complicated to do it (apparently) its just no one has really used the protected feature set of the SD standard
Also, (apparently, some SD cards use the protected area to store information other than the encryption key for the whole card, apparently this information might be used in read /write operations on the card, clearing the protected area to remove the SD card lock might have a negative impact on the cards performance.
pakure said:
You can also format a locked card using your wm6.5 on hd2;-)
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Sorry, but it is confirmed. Windows Mobile 6.5 can not. Apparently Ubuntu does, I am testing!
dazza9075 said:
if a SD card has been locked its essentially unreadable in anything but the device that it was locked in, if you plug a locked (protected) SD card in a PC it will be detected in device manager but windows will not beable to access it, the SD association is a bit vague in their replys but apparently some OSs are able to format a protected card, MS isnt one of them unless there is undocumented flags that can be used at the command prompt, the best bet is probably Linux, I hate using Linux as a desktop but i do have it running as a VM server so i might give that a try a bit later
The funny thing is, its not complicated to do it (apparently) its just no one has really used the protected feature set of the SD standard
Also, (apparently, some SD cards use the protected area to store information other than the encryption key for the whole card, apparently this information might be used in read /write operations on the card, clearing the protected area to remove the SD card lock might have a negative impact on the cards performance.
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Interesting. I did a few experiments and a whole heap of reading about this yesterday (Osx doesnt recognise the card either btw):
The card became locked during the update process from 7712 to 7720 during one of the many hard resets i did whilst installing the cabs (the sd fix cab was the last cab i installed). My mistake was not bothering to change the language from its default (English USA to English UK) so it would appear the card is also not only locked to a particular device but its language also.
One could test this by inserting the card, hard resetting and choosing USA as its language, however, it took 4 hours to get the device working to 7720 so im not doing that just yet; so i tried something else.
I put the encrypted card into my hd2, entered magldr and cleared the partition using services. I then entered usb mass storage and connected the device to my PC (win 7 x64). Whilst the card was not recognised in "my computer", if you look in camera&scanners in control panel, you will see magldr is recognised as a mass storage device but the device drivers for this fail to install properly. This is probably due to the "unknown" partition taking up the full capacity of the micro sd card and why it is not recognised by the PC hence it cannot be used for storage.
Unfortunately this also means no partition software will recognise the card, nor is it recognised in any digi camera, even after allegedly clearing the partitions via magldr.
I then had a thought would a nokia emulator work in unlocking the card? to which i havent researched any further as yet.
**EDIT** Apparently someone has decrypted and formatted a card using Ubuntu, im off to download and try it
**EDIT 2** not having much luck with ubuntu either, card not recognised........
same here, ubuntu disk manager (11.04 32-bit) shows sd card but 2.2 TB and can't format the drive or volume (i tried the same to clear mbr using magldr), ubuntu is not working
WEll, they havent been much further use, all they say is that is perfectly possible to do with software, the APIs have been there for years, its just that no one has ever really paid much attention to it, with the exception of Sat-Navs, professional Music gear etc.
Ive not had a chance to play with Linux yet but i would imagin that you need to think lower level than partition / MBR levels
From what i can gather from their cryptic responses is that when a SD card is setup to use the Secure feature, the device creates a key in the secure section, only that device can then access that section, the storage space on the card is then encrypted using that key, there is no way short of cracking the key to get access to either the secure section or the storage section. However, when you use an OS or Utility that makes use of the Secure protected area its possible to clear it, this would clear all the data obviously off the card, even disk analysers wouldnt be able to see it as it would still be encrypted.
What is concerning is that the Manufacturers have grown used to this special area and use it, apparently this area is used for IO operations, (probably some kind of cache or superfetch) this speeds things up by predicting what you are going to access next
What concerning is, if you have a class 10 device that as we all ready know uses methods to speed up sequential speeds to get that class rating, IF we manage to clear that protected area will the card be effected in terms of speed, conversly, could it improve random access speeds (WP7 essential) if its not farting around trying to predict sequential IO ops!
dazza9075 said:
yeah, at the moment, you have two choices
use the V1 ROM and be able to upgrade your ROM, you can install android still, you can not upgrade to 7712 / 7720 AND have access to your SD card UNLESS you lock the SD card
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Of course you can update!
I am using V1 and have the 7720 build
has anyone been able to (in windows or linux) copy the partition on the card without modifying or formatting or anything? Just copying the partition to another card?
orangekid said:
has anyone been able to (in windows or linux) copy the partition on the card without modifying or formatting or anything? Just copying the partition to another card?
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Nope, the card is not recognised, im working on it.
timmymarsh said:
Nope, the card is not recognised, im working on it.
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I'm going to try as well. If we can just get a recognition/copy to work, then we can do dual-boot again. There has to be some way to copy the entire partition.
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Of course you can update!
I am using V1 and have the 7720 build
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read it again,
note the big "AND"
you can not dual boot Mango 7712/7720 and android on V1
you can not dual boot at all with V2
you cant copy encrypted partitions, it doesnt work that way, its not like making a encrypted folder, its on a much lower level than that, its either encrypted or its not, you either have Mango or you have Nodo AND android
I still cant get the Protected SD formatted, im wondering if its reliant on the card reader supporting those commands.....
Mm the secret I think is gaining access to the hidden part of the card that contains the encryption key. I'm still working on Ubuntu and have a lead to follow up on.
Your right about the droid dual boot, this isn't my intention so others shouldn't get their hopes up ;-)
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Hi,
I think I didn't post too often here but now I need your help.
I also did some searching first but in threads like http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1143949 I did not finy a good solution, yet.
I am owning a HD2 and used CoreDroid 1.6 till yesterday. I connected my phone via USB to my computer to load it and left office. When I came back, I noticed my phone was still on. I touched it but nothing happened. The surface was frozen. Not even the off-button showed any effect. Thus, I removed the battery, waited a bit and inserted it again.
Unfortunately the phone did not boot any more. Just hangs at the first "Coredroid Screen". I tested around and when I removed the SD card and rebooted again, it worked. I checked the card and it had some file system problems. Thus, I saved all data and formatted it. However, my HD2 did not boot also with any of the other SD cards I tested (no difference how it is formatted). The system starts booting from NANE and shows the first CoreDroid screen and then just angs.
Then I noticed, that it said after booting "internal memory is full" (I checked it: 0 kb free). I searched for the reason and I found in the internal memory root a folder /bin. Observing it I saw, that nearly ALL executables have a size of 1.5 MB. I am talking about the executables that usually have some few kB.
In panic mode, I used Task29 to completely clear NAND. Then I installed MAGLDR and the appropriate CWM for CoreDroid. I downloaded the newer version 1.7 and flashed it. Same result. Did not boot with SD card but without it worked. However, I had that strange /bin folder with only 1.5MB files. Then I used MAGLDR to clean the system partition again and installed 1.6 again but same problem. I also used not the CWM provided by CoreDroid but also the "generic" downloadable and changed settings accordingly. Same effect. I even tried a CWM with 400 MB system partition instead the proposed 390 MB but same effect. 0 Bytes free. I also tried the latest Hyperdroid and Cyanogen ROMs with the same effect.
So I wonder if there is some tool for "checking" the internal memory for possible problems? Resetting it with Task29 did not bring any benefit.
Hope someone can give me a hint what I would do in this case.
I've not checked but I seem to remember coredroid uses the SD ext for data and parts of the system, so its hardly surprising that removing or using a different SD card will stop it booting.
If you were able to boot magldr and reflash roms and install cwms, I think your internal memory should be fine.
Try flashing some other rom, preferably with no sense. I'd say hyperdroid, i remember it as quick and light.
It might be problem with your phone SD card reader hardware...
samsamuel said:
I've not checked but I seem to remember coredroid uses the SD ext for data and parts of the system, so its hardly surprising that removing or using a different SD card will stop it booting.
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Thanks for your answers.
The strange thing is: it does not boot if ANY SD-card is inside. If I remove the SD-card, it at least boots. In other words: it boots as long as there is NO SD-card at all.
I must admin I prefer Coredroid since I think it supports many nice features like all the options when connecting it via USB cable (going online over computer connection, usb tethering, etc). However, on the weekend I try flashing again some other roms to check. Still I would like to check what is going on :/
Yeah, I believe you.
Just hope it's not a hardware problem...
Hello,
I am looking for some advice with regard to a speciifc problem I have with my HD2 which is running Android from SD using haret.exe etc to start the system from within Windows Mobile 6.5. The android files are currently held on a 8GB sandisk card. I have prefered this method of using android basically because I find it useful to remove the SD card and create a backup of the files onto my PC, which gives me peace of mind before installing new tryout software, just incase something goes wrong, I know I have the option to go back to a working system very quickly by reloading the files back to the SD card from the PC backup.
Recently I have been thinking that it might be easier if I could backup the files using the phone directly, so I decided to buy a 16GB card in order to partition it into two virtual 8GB drives and load my existing android os files onto one partition, whilst using the second partition to save a backup of android. I thought I should be able to create a backup of android from within WM6.5 instead of having to remove the card and rely on a PC all the time to do this job.
So, using MiniTool Partition Wizard Home Edition, I formatted and partitioned the new 16GB SD card, I used FAT32 for each partition and proceeded to copy my android files to the first partition of the new card. I installed the card into my HD2 and started the phone up which booted into WM6.5
From within WM6.5, I used the file explorer and could see both partitions appearing as separate SD cards, the first containing all my android os files etc, and the second partition was empty of course. Just as a test I thought I would try a copy and paste of a couple of files from the android partition to the empty partition, and this worked just fine. I thought to myself I am onto a winner here : ) Read on....
With that I decided to boot into android by clicking on haret.exe.
The system started to boot as normal and everything appeared to be going very very well. Booting completed and the system was ready to use..... Then I thought I would have a look around and see if it was running ok. OH DEAR.... It was reporting that it couldn't find the SD card, even though it had booted from it ! All my files and folders inaccessible and any programs that had been moved to SD card wouldn't start up or were missing from the list of installed apps. I still cant understand why the system has booted from an SD card that it cannot find once the system has booted......
This whole excercise was basically motivated by the need to be able to backup and restore the system from one partition to the other without the constant need to remove the SD card and do the job from a PC. (Constant removal of the SD card is starting to bother me incase I end up wearing the card slot out)
So basically my question is can this be done using my existing android install? (I wouldn't want to start again and install from scratch because the system is highly customised, and has took me a long time to get where it is now) I want to be able to have two partitions on my SD card, one which boots, runs android and holds all my files associated with android, and a second parition which I can use to create and restore a backup from within WM6.5.
This is not a desperate requirement, but I feel it would be a lot better than needing to rely on having my PC to hand all the time. This idea has come from my longstanding history of creating backups using GHOST and similar applications in Windows XP. I would like to do the same with my phone. Obviously I would still periodically make a backup to the PC for safekeeping but it would be more convenient to do it with the phone itself.
Any advice on where I am going wrong would be very useful. Also if you can suggest any other ways of making a strong reliable backup that makes an image of 'EVERYTHING' as is from within android directly, please let me know. I have had a look at Titanium backup, but not sure if it would make a mirror image of 'EVERYTHING' the way I would like to do it (like Ghost does in windows). The way I am doing it at present works fine, except for having to constantly remove the card and rely on having a PC about.
Oh by the way the android version on my SD card is Froyo 2.2 incase this matters (I have never bothered upgrading because it works and does what I need it to do)
Many Thanks
Tony
Brookbond said:
Hello,
I am looking for some advice with regard to a speciifc problem I have with my HD2 which is running Android from SD using haret.exe etc to start the system from within Windows Mobile 6.5. The android files are currently held on a 8GB sandisk card. I have prefered this method of using android basically because I find it useful to remove the SD card and create a backup of the files onto my PC, which gives me peace of mind before installing new tryout software, just incase something goes wrong, I know I have the option to go back to a working system very quickly by reloading the files back to the SD card from the PC backup.
Recently I have been thinking that it might be easier if I could backup the files using the phone directly, so I decided to buy a 16GB card in order to partition it into two virtual 8GB drives and load my existing android os files onto one partition, whilst using the second partition to save a backup of android. I thought I should be able to create a backup of android from within WM6.5 instead of having to remove the card and rely on a PC all the time to do this job.
So, using MiniTool Partition Wizard Home Edition, I formatted and partitioned the new 16GB SD card, I used FAT32 for each partition and proceeded to copy my android files to the first partition of the new card. I installed the card into my HD2 and started the phone up which booted into WM6.5
From within WM6.5, I used the file explorer and could see both partitions appearing as separate SD cards, the first containing all my android os files etc, and the second partition was empty of course. Just as a test I thought I would try a copy and paste of a couple of files from the android partition to the empty partition, and this worked just fine. I thought to myself I am onto a winner here : ) Read on....
With that I decided to boot into android by clicking on haret.exe.
The system started to boot as normal and everything appeared to be going very very well. Booting completed and the system was ready to use..... Then I thought I would have a look around and see if it was running ok. OH DEAR.... It was reporting that it couldn't find the SD card, even though it had booted from it ! All my files and folders inaccessible and any programs that had been moved to SD card wouldn't start up or were missing from the list of installed apps. I still cant understand why the system has booted from an SD card that it cannot find once the system has booted......
This whole excercise was basically motivated by the need to be able to backup and restore the system from one partition to the other without the constant need to remove the SD card and do the job from a PC. (Constant removal of the SD card is starting to bother me incase I end up wearing the card slot out)
So basically my question is can this be done using my existing android install? (I wouldn't want to start again and install from scratch because the system is highly customised, and has took me a long time to get where it is now) I want to be able to have two partitions on my SD card, one which boots, runs android and holds all my files associated with android, and a second parition which I can use to create and restore a backup from within WM6.5.
This is not a desperate requirement, but I feel it would be a lot better than needing to rely on having my PC to hand all the time. This idea has come from my longstanding history of creating backups using GHOST and similar applications in Windows XP. I would like to do the same with my phone. Obviously I would still periodically make a backup to the PC for safekeeping but it would be more convenient to do it with the phone itself.
Any advice on where I am going wrong would be very useful. Also if you can suggest any other ways of making a strong reliable backup that makes an image of 'EVERYTHING' as is from within android directly, please let me know. I have had a look at Titanium backup, but not sure if it would make a mirror image of 'EVERYTHING' the way I would like to do it (like Ghost does in windows). The way I am doing it at present works fine, except for having to constantly remove the card and rely on having a PC about.
Oh by the way the android version on my SD card is Froyo 2.2 incase this matters (I have never bothered upgrading because it works and does what I need it to do)
Many Thanks
Tony
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Android looks at storage (and cards and file systems) differently. Assuming you created the partitions okay, you would have to use the Linux mount command (sorry, more reading).
A simpler way to accomplish your goal would be to have everything in one partition on the card. Create a folder and call it "Backup_Folder" or some other name meaningful to you. You will be able to copy/paste in Windows or Android.
Having said that you might want to read more about NAND installations when you have time. It would likely run better and give you more choices. Although a learning curve, once mastered it is as simple and safe as what you are now doing.
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