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Hello all. Firstly I would like to thank everyone for their great work on ROMs and applications for the HD2.
So, I have the HD2 obviously for about a month now, and I'm "stuck" with the default 1.42 ROM which actually makes the HD2 look like it has a 250MHz processor. It gets really slow from time to time.
I'm looking to flash it with a custom ROM, but I'm a bit puzzled, given the many ROMs that already exist.
I would like your opinion on this matter; Which ROM do you think is overall better, faster etc? I actually want less RAM footprint, I want Copilot and stuff like that removed, updated versions of the HTC apps etc.
I'm leaning towards the Artemis by Sternas, although I would appreciate some more experienced opinions.
Thanks in advance.
not again.....
makeveral said:
not again.....
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What do you mean "not again"? Many similar topics?
Yes, I've read them, and by starting this topic it's obvious that I need some more info from those who want to share their knowledge.
From those who don't want to share their knowledge I didn't ask anything.
I'm NOT asking which is the best ROM. I'm asking which ROM do the most of you have at this time installed and which OVERALL suits the needs of a larger audience and not just the "cooks" needs.
usaully this threads end closed
Hi !
Should be a good idea to have a post where users comment their experience with different roms. I dont mean rating but more like user experience in therms of usability.
We've had this a thousand times. No, there will be no thread that asks for users' opinions on ROMs. Try them yourself.
The last thread like this got closed only a few hours ago...
equalness said:
Hi !
Should be a good idea to have a post where users comment their experience with different roms. I dont mean rating but more like user experience in therms of usability.
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I would disagree. Most users posting these kinds of questions are obviously too lazy to browse through each individual ROM's thread. I very much suspect that even if there was a central 'ROM experiences' thread they wouldn't bother to finish reading the first post.
Also, given how things have been around here recently, the thread would probably escalate into some sort of flamewar before it reaches page 2.
Anyway, if you're interested in a *very* rough indication of popularity:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=534&daysprune=-1&order=desc&sort=views
It's the ROM forum, sorted by views. Artemis thread does pop up somewhere at the top, so might be a good starting point for you, dimitris_s. Only a starting point, mind - only you will be able to tell which ROM is best for you, so try a few.
In the interest of helping new members and old alike, I wonder if it would be possible to create a kind of rating star rating system for our various in-house ROMs based on categories such as, but not limited to:
Speed
Stability
Appearance
Feature parity to "Stock" ROM
Memory Usage
etc.? (or any other categories one might suggest, as these of course are subjective, but they might help)
This could help put an end to the incessant "What is the best ROM?" threads, and it might be interesting for users to see. It's not to create a contest between ROMs or Chefs, but rather to serve as a guide for selection.
Not sure if this has been proposed before, but I am just thinking out loud, so to speak.
Would like to see this myself. Or maybe a use the star rating system for the threads to rate.
TBH, I also want more transparency wrf to bugs. Bit off topic I know, but the ROM I am currently on has massive activesync problems that are mentioned nowhere on the first page, and reading through 20 odd pages at least isnt my idea of fun.
But anyways, completely agree with this!
donalgodon said:
In the interest of helping new members and old alike, I wonder if it would be possible to create a kind of rating star rating system for our various in-house ROMs based on categories such as, but not limited to:
Speed
Stability
Appearance
Feature parity to "Stock" ROM
Memory Usage
etc. (or any other categories one might suggest, as these of course are subjective, but they might help
This could help put an end to the incessant "What is the best ROM?" threads, and it might be interesting for users to see. It's not to create a contest between ROMs or Chefs, but rather to serve as a guide for selection.
Not sure if this has been proposed before, but I am just thinking out loud, so to speak.
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I know members would be interested in this, however this will never work as this will create competition and wars as did the tabulated speed charts of the past.
Besides, this in a whole, would be very subjective and not very reliable.
This Thread will I'm sure close very soon!
not possible.
not usefull.
is like iphone or diamond
iphone or hd
iphone or hd2
do you think the last three points are effective?
donalgodon said:
In the interest of helping new members and old alike, I wonder if it would be possible to create a kind of rating star rating system for our various in-house ROMs based on categories such as, but not limited to:
Speed
Stability
Appearance
Feature parity to "Stock" ROM
Memory Usage
etc.? (or any other categories one might suggest, as these of course are subjective, but they might help)
This could help put an end to the incessant "What is the best ROM?" threads, and it might be interesting for users to see. It's not to create a contest between ROMs or Chefs, but rather to serve as a guide for selection.
Not sure if this has been proposed before, but I am just thinking out loud, so to speak.
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give standards, give rules like using of same kitchen, same rom, same language. otherwise you get subjective ... iphone or diamond ...
The problem is new ROMs are released DAILY and sometimes feature massive changes.
What may have afflicted Miri 2.3 (6.5.x branch no less!) was fixed the next day in 2.4. (Not reality, just hypothetical)
What was present in Dutty 1.5 was completely different in Dutty 1.7. (Hypothetical)
TMobile ROM leaks - we all get ebook reader, HTC flashlight, and other neat little tweaks.
How do you accommodate these things?
As soon as someone writes a review, it's outdated in 2-3 days. "Blah blah blah, dialer bug - it disappears! wtf! screw this rom." ... Maybe the cook dropped in a Rhodium dialer the next day and it was fixed? Maybe the reviewer didn't flash back to stock rom or do mtty? So many variables.
These ROMs are so dynamic that really the only thing you can do is test yourself and see what is best at that time. If you're not willing to do that, then stick to a stock ROM. It's as simple as that.
I don't want to start a flame war, but if you want the safest most generic ROM - see the guy that cooks for all the top phones: NRGZ28. He rarely is the fastest poster or the heaviest HD2-specific tweaker, but he offers a consistent OS experience across all his releases. His ROMs are great. I don't always use them, I regularly hop around, but you can know what to expect when you go to energy.
Donalgodon,
If you want to create a ROM rating system them you will have to do it outside of XDA Developers.
Threads on best rom, best performing rom, most stable rom, etc (you get the picture) quickly degenerate and become extremely counter-productive. Therefore threads of this sort are now actively discouraged and closed.
WB
The title of the thread is just to get all you fine people steaming in here to tell me off. But now your here by your own free will...
I've been a long time browser of these forums and recently a more active member. I used to be a very amateur coder when I was yonger and know to a small extent the hard work you guys put into these roms, so seriously to everyone congratulations on some amazing efforts.
I did want to address the reason topic titles such as the one I chose here crop up however. When I had a diamond before my HD2 there were just a few good roms to choose from and I soon settled down and chose one after trying them out. A few months back I started this same process with my HD2 but found every ROM I flashed to have a few bugs which annoyed me in day to day use, and I eventually went back to stock. Since then I havn't really tried again.
Today I have again been looking at perhaps flashing to a cooked ROM and in the beginning of these efforts I tried out the search term "best HD2 ROM". The threads that resulted were obviously very short and the authors told off for being lazy and discrediting the great works of all the chefs here. But the very good point is made that there are ALOT of ROM's for the HD2, and whilst it may only take 5 mnins to flash a ROM it takes hours, if not days, to find out if it suited to you. With the risk of losing personal info on each flash and having to reconfigure your apps each time this can be a very tedious process.
I'm basically wondering if there is any way to have a thread that can provide a way of rating the advantages and disadvantages of each ROM without having to wade through topics with hundreds of pages of mostly useless posts. It just so daunting with all these ROM's that many people may never even start.
I am just now thinking of flexing my (somewhat out of date) webmastering ability to create a "ROM Review" website - good idea?
What are people's thoughts?
p.s. This is probably also in the wrong section of the forum... just clicked "new topic" where I was browsing without thinking where it should go, please move if appropriate, thanks.
I completely agree with your idea to open this thread.
Finally we have someone who wants to put it to rights. Because every day we have new ROM or several ROM's, and every time flashing and soft re-installation takes a lot of time... and after all that you understand that "this ROM is not really what you wanted to be"...
Go on with your idea.. and I think - this section is the right place for your thread.
you got my vote
Good to see I'm not alone here, any feedback is much appriciated, even if its just a +1
Agreed, Sir.
This was taken from another thread about a similar question
"I also see no point to a list of pro's or cons of any particular ROM as most are built for the same thing, speed and stability. The only real differences you are going to see are what programs the person has loaded."
If this is indeed the case. then a list of the roms with the space taken up by the rom on the phone. the apps installed and how quick, stable each one would be must surely be a good idea?
I truly hope you can follow through with your idea.
I think there is no such thing as "the" best ROM.
Each user has different preferences, especially WinMo smartphones are
rarely one the same like another: Included software, tweaks, mods, themes, designs.
The possibilities are endless.
Also, an earlier thread here at the HD2 forum about speed (with benchmarks
as neutral as possible) ended up in unfriendly discussions (which is a mild
term to describe what happened).
An HD2 is so extremely fast that I seriously doubt that the "average" user
can tell a big difference between different ROMs. Sometimes, a buggy ROM
may be obviously slower, but in the average case, the difference will just
not really be felt, but only perceived, sometimes only imagined.
I think that it is part of this forum that there is no rating of the available
ROMs. If you watch the forum, you can easily find out which ROMs seem to
have more acceptance and therefore more fans - and if you check the ROM
description and screenshots of the chef, you can easily find out if the ROM
is something you might like.
Just to finish: How exactly does a ROM qualify as "the best"? Speed? Come
on... Software which comes with it? Come on, again...
Imho, it all ends up in optical mods and tweaks plus some extremely basic
software which is really a must for everybody. If you would ask me what
this could be, I cannot give you any name because WinMo and Manila are
on most ROMs anyway...
I couldn't agree more Mega. Very brave of you to start this thread ; )
I was a bit of a flashaholic with both my Elf and my Raphael, but I still haven't flashed anything to my Leo because it's so hard to figure out exactly what I'm going to get. Apart from the features of each ROM, it's hard to get an idea of the things that might be missing from each. Like, have the original bugs been fixed? Stuff like the audio booster turning off, AAC files being mis-sorted in the audio player, volume keys still active when the screen is off and incremental volume control or even the relative volume between headphones and phone speaker. I just can't be bothered to start flashing a million ROMs to find out. That's not laziness by the way, honest! I'm sure I'll get over it and start flashing soon ; )
tictac0566 said:
I think there is no such thing as "the" best ROM.
Each user has different preferences, especially WinMo smartphones are
rarely one the same like another: Included software, tweaks, mods, themes, designs.
The possibilities are endless.
Also, an earlier thread here at the HD2 forum about speed (with benchmarks
as neutral as possible) ended up in unfriendly discussions (which is a mild
term to describe what happened).
An HD2 is so extremely fast that I seriously doubt that the "average" user
can tell a big difference between different ROMs. Sometimes, a buggy ROM
may be obviously slower, but in the average case, the difference will just
not really be felt, but only perceived, sometimes only imagined.
I think that it is part of this forum that there is no rating of the available
ROMs. If you watch the forum, you can easily find out which ROMs seem to
have more acceptance and therefore more fans - and if you check the ROM
description and screenshots of the chef, you can easily find out if the ROM
is something you might like.
Just to finish: How exactly does a ROM qualify as "the best"? Speed? Come
on... Software which comes with it? Come on, again...
Imho, it all ends up in optical mods and tweaks plus some extremely basic
software which is really a must for everybody. If you would ask me what
this could be, I cannot give you any name because WinMo and Manila are
on most ROMs anyway...
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I agree, how would one rate the BEST? Well to be honest you cant really as each person has there own needs and wants in a rom. What might be an Ideal rom for me might not be the best rom for you. I could rate a rom at 10 and you might give it a 2, then it turns into a bashing session and that can not be allowed. The rating system has been brought up many times before and each time it comes to the same end. There will never be an accurate way to tell the best rom. I am not trying to be harsh here but threads like this are beating a dead horse.
After speaking with the OP I have decided to reopen this thread. On the condition that this is "NOT" a best rom thread. This thread will be to help those that are new to ROM flashing. I will be keeping an eye on this thread and if it turn into a Best rom or bashing thread I will reclose it for good. I understand that sense the release of the HD 2 that alot of people are new to WM and with the available options in the rom thread it can be confusing. I am also moving this thread to the General Section as it is not Rom development. To all the new guys welcome.
Just wanna say thanks to Zelendal, the topic title originally wasn't constructive.
As we all know from doing a little reading about the ROM's, each one can be individually suited to different people, it like argument about which is the best smart phone or computer platform. So the kind of discussionj I was trying to provoke was about the best way to help out newcomers decide which ROM would indeed be best suited to them.
As I posted before I have been pondering making a seperate website that would allow some organisation of peoples opinions on the ROM's and I am interested as to how much support there would be amongst the community, I am also interested as to how the Cook's themselves would see such an project, providing it was done right.
sike222 said:
This was taken from another thread about a similar question
"I also see no point to a list of pro's or cons of any particular ROM as most are built for the same thing, speed and stability. The only real differences you are going to see are what programs the person has loaded."
If this is indeed the case. then a list of the roms with the space taken up by the rom on the phone. the apps installed and how quick, stable each one would be must surely be a good idea?
I truly hope you can follow through with your idea.
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You quote me but you leave out an important part. The problem with making a list is that ROMs change. What might have been an issue in one build might be working just fine in the next. Keeping up with these changes and trying to keep on top of a list would be a nightmare. Also this mystical list you are looking for is usually on one of the first few post of every ROM thread. Most good cooks will list all these things that you are looking for. Only way to tell if a ROM will fit your needs is to try it. Every bodies idea of a good ROM is different. What one person might see as a con another sees as a pro. Personal opinion is a ***** and unfortunately everybody has a different one.
Good luck but I don't see a list being started or maintained for very long. Nor do I see this thread going anywhere productive.
Will Badger -
I don't think anyone is dis-agreeing that each ROM is suited individually to different people. Each cook makes his ROM how he wants it and if you share those wants with that cook you a likly to enjoy his ROM. That doesn't make it any easier to find what ROM is indeed suited to you, and as a newbe it can be extremely daunting, there are 30 odd cooks for the HD2, thats ALOT of time spent flashing and tring out ROM's.
Having said that I have been pointed towards
http://www.xdaroms.com/Default.aspx
Which is more or less everything I had in mind for a ROM information site, so its safe to say I wont be needing to build another. Iv'e been on this forum for a few months now and have not seen this site, somthing like this would need the direct support of Cooks asking people to visit in their ROM threads to submit reviews of their ROM.
Personally if that could happen I think it would be great and a fantastic resourse for newbes but I know there are alot of differing opinions on here, and perhaps its somthing the chefs would have second thoughts about.
Cool nice to know you found what you were looking for. I still find it easier to just read the actual thread for the info I'm looking for. Going over that page quickly I see no information stating whether the any of the HD2 ROMs are T-mobile compatible. You can flash a standard HD2 ROM onto the newer T-Mo HD2 since they use different processor.
i hadn't come across that site either, lol... but looking at this thread i think the guy's pretty keen to make the site useful. see here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=658641
there's also another thread in the ROM section that might be helpful... i'm sure jaimeeee would appreciate any input and help you wanna give
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=683743
Hi,
Thanks for the extra info, whilst the site I posted does seem to be more or less what I was thinking of doing myself it simply doesnt have the activity require to truely make it useful to anyone. It needs the support of the Forum, especially the Cooks if its going to succeed. I keep meaning to conatct the owner of th site to discuss how to push traffic onto the site but I got all caught up making a skin recently.
Hopefully we can make somthing of this!
...I genuinely don't understand so would appreciate some knowledge.
There are a huge number of (SD) Android Builds.
Some based on Stock Android, some Sense, Some Desire, some Desire HD, some Core etc etc.
Let's not even get into Harastin stuff.
Now these chefs are all really great from what I can see based on my reading here and many of these are mature and seemingly everything working etc.
BUT looking at the screenshots they look similar with small tweaks here or there [excluding the themes].
Now coming from WinMo cooked roms which look different with lots of different stuff in them.
Could I ask simply:
what differentiate them?
Thanks
*sneaks in before the flaming starts*
It's actually kind of similar to the difference in WM roms. Each Android rom here is cooked with slightly different features. They all do basically the same thing, but there are different styles/themes, different apps included, and different kernels which can make for varying battery life or feature sets. Some are bleeding-edge versions of Android, like the new 2.3 Gingerbread roms. There's not really any HUGE differences between all the roms, its more like a bunch of different flavors & you have to just try them all out and decide which flavor you like best.
That's a great succinct summary. Thanks.
I guess I was swayed by the very similar looking home screens in alot of them.
Now LET THE FLAMING COMMENCE!!! MUHAAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
Ohh cmon, you create thread "Please don't flame me..." in the wrong forum section. I am surprised someone even answered. Probably nothing would help you.
hunh??
Succinct !
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hunh??
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What a succinct response to such a modest amount of flame ;-)
I learned a new word today, yay !
So, basicly, I wanted to try all available ROMs for Buzz and write a short/long review about it and give it a rating 1-5 stars. That should prevent lots of questions and should be helpful to newbies. What do you think? Write a comment/PM me.
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smokzye said:
So, basicly, I wanted to try all available ROMs for Buzz and write a short/long review about it and give it a rating 1-5 stars. That should prevent lots of questions and should be helpful to newbies. What do you think? Write a comment/PM me.
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If you ask me, I would suggest everyone not to compare and rate different roms. It is not like one rom is better than the other. Roms will be according to the needs. Some roms aim at performance tweaks while some aim at display effects. And there will be some people who cannot live without sense widgets. Sense roms will be the option for them. So I think comparisons cannot be made.
And I think that number of topics (by newbies asking what is the best rom) on roms will outreach the number of roms. But if you start something like this what happens is there will be differences in opinions. Some may give worst opinions just after using it for few hours [ LOL, they don't even think about the time taken to develop a rom]. Because users will get pissed off even when everything is fine but just little bugs in the couple of features they need. I think there will be people who shift roms because of little things like dialer app etc. So basically the standard will be missing because everyone likes a rom which satisfies his needs ( and obviously everyone's needs will not be the same ).
But I think you can give feedback to xda in general section about controlling spam.
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Yeah, I wanted to review it by stock settings, just for people to see what do they get by flashing it and to see if it has potential of fulfilling their needs. Means no modding or installing additional apps by me during/before the review. I think it's easyer to read an article about a ROM and to see some *in use* screenshots than self flashing every ROM (pain in the a**).
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... there will be people who shift roms because of little things like dialer app etc...
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Agree 100%, except for this observation: an dialer, on a phone, is not just one little thing!
Well, I dont want to be a troll, it doesn't matter at all, your opinions are correct.
If you dont know how to start, or what rom to try at first, start reading! There is a list of rom topics on dev section, topic "the complete wildfire index". Try to enter each rom topic, see when was the last rom update, see the principal features of the rom, and read some feedback from users, searching for bugs.
I like to use the numbers of comment pages on the topic as reference of how many users have that rom, also, but pay atention on the age of the topic and, of course, if a lot of that replies are not bug related.
Again the choice of a rom is very personal, but this are parameters that I used to start tests.
louiscypherbr said:
Agree 100%, except for this observation: an dialer, on a phone, is not just one little thing!
Well, I dont want to be a troll, it doesn't matter at all, your opinions are correct.
If you dont know how to start, or what rom to try at first, start reading! There is a list of rom topics on dev section, topic "the complete wildfire index". Try to enter each rom topic, see when was the last rom update, see the principal features of the rom, and read some feedback from users, searching for bugs.
I like to use the numbers of comment pages on the topic as reference of how many users have that rom, also, but pay atention on the age of the topic and, of course, if a lot of that replies are not bug related.
Again the choice of a rom is very personal, but this are parameters that I used to start tests.
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yeah, sure, i dont have problems with choosing roms, i read, but, majority of people just post a thread asking which rom to choose.. thats where reviews come in, u know, every dev will talk best about his rom and etc, but this is "for users, by users"
and like bharat said its controlling spam
its not a bad idea. i have tried every rom for wildfire and i have to say that the cm7 nightlies is the most stable 2.3.4 for wildfire. enough said