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is $350 realistic for this?

I'm getting a second replacement evo from Sprint tomorrow, most likely with a new extended battery. I got an iPhone today. I cant stand the USB issues the evos seem to have. I'm including the 32GB class 10 Lexar card also for $350.

I would say $250.00 to somebody knowledgeable that there are some kick ass phones around the corner. To dumb brainless people, sounds on spot.
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(another reason for the iPhone purchase is that AT&T has service where I work 2 days a week, sprint has meh roaming on Verizon towers

jorpe said:
I'm getting a second replacement evo from Sprint tomorrow, most likely with a new extended battery. I got an iPhone today. I cant stand the USB issues the evos seem to have. I'm including the 32GB class 10 Lexar card also for $350.
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I heard you can market it as a special edition Evo if you can get a different color backcover haha
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Sell it as an Oreo limited edition on eBay for 500 350 is too cheap

cor4twenty said:
I heard you can market it as a special edition Evo if you can get a different color backcover haha
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Loooooooooooooool!!
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I saw an ebay auction and the evo 4g white went for like $1200 and this was just yesterday and did not include anything but the phone and charger...

Your price is good OP. I would sell it on Craigslist. Just make sure to meet in a public location and bring a friend.
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I got rid of my EVO on fleabay for 299.99 I included a spare data cable, 16GB card and leather carry case. Had 3 day auction and sold with buy it now in 24 hrs.
CL is another great idea for a local sale. Definately meet in a public place and have a 2nd set of eyes, like the other posters have mentioned.

I would definitely go the ebay route. Somebody would pay good money for an off contract super-phone like the Evo, even though a new one is coming out fairly soon.

jorpe said:
I'm getting a second replacement evo from Sprint tomorrow, most likely with a new extended battery. I got an iPhone today. I cant stand the USB issues the evos seem to have. I'm including the 32GB class 10 Lexar card also for $350.
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I don't care how you attempt to sell/market your item, but you are still breaking the rules. Your intent is too obvious. Read the rules!

akarol said:
I don't care how you attempt to sell/market your item, but you are still breaking the rules. Your intent is too obvious. Read the rules!
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I'm not sure what you're referring to, but if you are insinuating that I'm trying to sell that item here, no I'm really not, and wont. Same reason it's not on fleabay.

jorpe said:
I'm not sure what you're referring to, but if you are insinuating that I'm trying to sell that item here, no I'm really not, and wont. Same reason it's not on fleabay.
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You will get charged for a non return phone unless you are committing insurance fraud.
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DirtyShroomz said:
You will get charged for a non return phone unless you are committing insurance fraud.
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He bought an iPhone. He's going to sell his replacement Evo, I'm assuming most likely to recoup any ETF he's going to be charged and to offset cost of the iPhone. No wrong doing here at all.

Just sold mine for 380$ the other day on Craigslist, brand new in box. I cant understand why anyone would pay that much with the 3D right around the corner but hey, im 380$ richer!
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gqstatus0685 said:
Your price is good OP. I would sell it on Craigslist. Just make sure to meet in a public location and bring a friend.
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i just bring my glock .40 he is my friend

DirtyShroomz said:
You will get charged for a non return phone unless you are committing insurance fraud.
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Actually I'm not under contract with sprint and haven't been for almost a year. I got an early upgrade last go round and no contract extension.

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i just bring my glock .40 he is my friend
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I used to carry a Glock 23 3rd gen first edition... pawned it a couple years ago

Sprint "4g" announcement October 7th

http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...nificant-4g-plan/&category=classic&postPage=1
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They are moving to LTE. Which is probably why they stopped or really slowed Wimax expansion.
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They are moving to LTE. Which is probably why they stopped or really slowed Wimax expansion.
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Keep in mind it was Clearwire that was expanding the network.
We know that Clearwire was switching to LTE and that Lightsquard's (LTE) name was thrown into the mix.
There was a rumor about Sprint buying Clearwire too.

mattykinsx said:
Keep in mind it was Clearwire that was expanding the network.
We know that Clearwire was switching to LTE and that Lightsquard's (LTE) name was thrown into the mix.
There was a rumor about Sprint buying Clearwire too.
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Clear is in a funding issue. Will it is generating revenue it ran out of funds to massively expand without more funds.
That is the reason why it has stopped expanding.
A sprint acquisition would mean they could expand with the funds that Sprint has more readily available than Clear does right now.

Would that mean new devices or just an update to work with lte? If it went to lte.. otherwise, massive 4g expansion would ve cool too
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Would that mean our 10 extra bucks are finally going to work?
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infallibleapex said:
Would that mean new devices or just an update to work with lte? If it went to lte.. otherwise, massive 4g expansion would ve cool too
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New device.
LexLuger82 said:
Would that mean our 10 extra bucks are finally going to work?
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Do you know how long it takes to build a network?
Verizon's LTE was started in what, 08 or 09?

just bought 2000 shares of clearwire stocks

kniteshift said:
just bought 2000 shares of clearwire stocks
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How much is it also can one buy lightsquared might as well get Sprint as well
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mattykinsx said:
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...nificant-4g-plan/&category=classic&postPage=1
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As for thoughts hope its awesome news sprint needs some
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LexLuger82 said:
Would that mean our 10 extra bucks are finally going to work?
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I hope so!!! Probably the 10 bucks was to get this! LOL

hope this is better than any of their prior announcements....remember the "kyocera echo" announcement? Sprint hyped the event so much before they announced the echo and it was a complete fail.

sprint's 4g announcement
My money is on the IPhone 5.
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sameog said:
My money is on the IPhone 5.
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"Strategy update"

phistyle said:
hope this is better than any of their prior announcements....remember the "kyocera echo" announcement? Sprint hyped the event so much before they announced the echo and it was a complete fail.
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Agreed that announcement was the worse one ever lol
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Im thinking it will have something to do with their network capacity/bandwidth.
But The main thing will be the buying the rest of Clear. It is a very logical step.
plus if you didn't know they either pay Clear monthly or a one time fee for each 4g device they sell. technically they would save money as well as be able to funnel Clear up the arse with $$ better than how it is being funneled now. My bet is a full ownership and incorporation of Clear wire into SPRINT-nextel. Then phasing out IDEN and using spectrum for Clear if it is possible or Lightsquard.

maybe they will remove the 10 charge? LoL

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Echo 2, now with 4 screens...................
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WTF, where did the AT&T&TMO and Sprint come from, have you heard something I haven't heard, That would really suck getting sucked back into ATT tierd data plan they had pushed on me before I left

I for one, don't have much hope for anything useful. i've been going back and forth with sprint (phone, twitter, email, however i can get them to answer me) about my consistent lack of data. They never have anything helpful to say. To be honest, i'm about burned out on Sprint and their "announcements". Like the others said, that Kyocera Echo was like spitting in the face of your users. Utterly disappointing.
Seriously, short of an announcement that the wimax would actually work and that data would be useable, i don't care.

Upgrade question

I am planing on getting a epic 4g tourch but wanted to know if anyone knew what it would cost straight up at a sprint store? My renewal is not up until next year. Also does anyone know if i but the phone say off of bestbuy or eBay if the insurance i carry with sprint will cover the new phone? I dont know if it will being as i did not buy it from sprint. Thanks!
P.S. does anybody but me think 4.5inc is just to big for a phone.... Wish it was like 4inc.

NissanNick said:
I am planing on getting a epic 4g tourch but wanted to know if anyone knew what it would cost straight up at a sprint store? My renewal is not up until next year. Also does anyone know if i but the phone say off of bestbuy or eBay if the insurance i carry with sprint will cover the new phone? I dont know if it will being as i did not buy it from sprint. Thanks!
P.S. does anybody but me think 4.5inc is just to big for a phone.... Wish it was like 4inc.
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My guess would be 599.99 off contract. For that kind of dough,you'd be better off doing an early termination, paying that and getting an new line with an on contract phone.
Not sure about the insurance though. Asurion is a seperate company they insure phones from all carriers.
No I think 4.5 inch is sweet, id like to see a 5 inch!
This is just my opinion here, but if your a year off from getting an upgrade I would wait. The epic 4g is going to be just fine for a long while yet. I've played with a freinds evo 3d and an international gsII. While they're cool, overall I was not impressed. I didn't see a signifigant increase in performance over this the epic 4g, and in some cases it seemed worse. I wuld wait for the 2nd gen of dual core phones or even until quad core....but that's just my 2cents. Good luck in whatever you decide, I'm sure it'll be an awsome phone.
From cellblock D

I plan on doing this at 14 months so I don't have to wait a full two years to get the promo price. While it cost 75$, the phone price will go from full price to the 199$. Still saving a few hundo.
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i was trying to figure out the best options for upgrade as well. I have the best buy insurance so maybe my epic will take a tumble and then i can sell a brand new epic online and use that cash to buy a SGS2. However I was a little disappointed in the video i saw on engadget. They showed an epic touch next to the original SGS on att, they appeared to be the same thickness. Wasn't the big thing suppose to be the incredible thinness of the phone? hmmm

goblue30093 said:
i was trying to figure out the best options for upgrade as well. I have the best buy insurance so maybe my epic will take a tumble and then i can sell a brand new epic online and use that cash to buy a SGS2. However I was a little disappointed in the video i saw on engadget. They showed an epic touch next to the original SGS on att, they appeared to be the same thickness. Wasn't the big thing suppose to be the incredible thinness of the phone? hmmm
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That's because they added in WiMax. So i would rather have the phone be 1mm thicker and have wimax.
The epic touch is gonna be sprint's thinnest phone anyway.

NissanNick said:
I am planing on getting a epic 4g tourch but wanted to know if anyone knew what it would cost straight up at a sprint store? My renewal is not up until next year. Also does anyone know if i but the phone say off of bestbuy or eBay if the insurance i carry with sprint will cover the new phone? I dont know if it will being as i did not buy it from sprint. Thanks!
P.S. does anybody but me think 4.5inc is just to big for a phone.... Wish it was like 4inc.
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Insurance will cover your phone regardless of where you got it from. I bought my epic from Craigs List and it was covered.

You'd like to see a 5" screen lol?
You animal. ;-)
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5 in over kill ever see that massive tab/phone called the Dell steak kinda big just saying
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Rev3ge07 said:
5 in over kill ever see that massive tab/phone called the Dell steak kinda big just saying
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I think it is possible if its edge to edge scren with ics so the butons are on screen ...

Rev3ge07 said:
5 in over kill ever see that massive tab/phone called the Dell steak kinda big just saying
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everytime i see some one saying 5 inches is over kill, it takes me back to wanting the original htc shift. 7 inch screen with a sliding full keyboard, dual boot windows 7 and windows mobile.
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/shift/overview.html
/dream phone!/
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besides the phone, id take the cute asian girl too, just out of good will and all.

austin420 said:
everytime i see some one saying 5 inches is over kill, it takes me back to wanting the original htc shift. 7 inch screen with a sliding full keyboard, dual boot windows 7 and windows mobile.
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/shift/overview.html
/dream phone!/
besides the phone, id take the cute asian girl too, just out of good will and all.
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Lmao!!!!! Haha funny
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To me 4" to 4.3" is about as big a a phone should be. I would love to keep this phone.. but i am starting to think CM7 (stable) will never happen lol

i think 4.5 will be fine because it has a small bezel too. but you are right nick, anything bigger than that is just crazy. Start feeling like we'll be the guy on hot tub time machine with the old school big ass phones

Love that movie!

When I just talked to Sprint this week, everyone said contract buyouts have been completely removed from their systems. So no regular rep can do that even if they wanted to.
Just a heads up.

You can definitely buy your phone off contract.
Itsjust not as easy as GSM where all yu do is connect your sim card and you're good to go
You have to call sprint after you buy it and get it activated with all the codes on the sticker and then it'll be tied to your account.
It also doesn't effect upgrade eligibility. So if you buy off contract and you're due for an upgrade, you can upgrade, keep the new phone in the box and just use your gsii as your main and sell the upgrade boxsealed to recoup a few hunneds
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Sprint getting LTE Galaxy Nexus

Sprint IS getting an LTE Galaxy Nexus, and its their first LTE phone to be available.
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Wow that's great lol, I knew with two LTE towers operational it was only time before this got released.
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Isn't that a!........
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Actually will be worth the upgrade if this is true !
But hopefully its released soon otherwise those quad core beasts will be too close to pass up on.

Hmm engadget has edited their post, and its gonna be at 1.5ghz dual core!
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2 months till my upgrade.
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Sweetttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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shane6374 said:
2 months till my upgrade.
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5 for mine :/
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zanderman112 said:
Hmm engadget has edited their post, and its gonna be at 1.5ghz dual core!
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I was about to mention the same thing! I still want to see the updated specs on this bad boy before getting too excited. If they're upping the processor, maybe they'll upgrade a few other things too, like the camera, RAM (show me 2 gee bees ), internal storage.
Man, if they upgrade this to current specs at the release date, I'm getting this thing the day it comes out even though Chicago isn't on the list of places to get LTE first. I'm sure it will come later this year though, I would think it's too big of a market to ignore for too long.
EDIT: -10 months for my upgrade (had one since Feb or Mar of this past year...)

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why would he rub soo much lotion over everything ?
... I don't get it.

Been sitting on my upgrade for two months waiting for this puppy!
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got 5 months til my upgrade
Maybe if another line on my dads plan has an upgrade ill use that and then someone can use my upgrade later

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5 for mine :/
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12 for mine
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Hope it is Exynos and not the Snapdragon in the Sprint version of the Gnex. AFAIK the Exynos SoC does not have LTE.

*faints* Xp.......
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been eligible for quite some time. still dont knwo if this is the right upgrade path for me.

So basically they are going to launch a 3g Nexus? Because they will only have 4 cities up and running with LTE by "mid 2012", and they are mostly in Texas. By the time Sprint's Nexus gets LTE in your area, you will most likely want to be getting another phone anyway. Doesn't make much sense unless you seriously dont care about 4g LTE. The next Nexus phone will be the one that is attractive for Sprint, since their network will be really ramping up then.

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So basically they are going to launch a 3g Nexus? Because they will only have 4 cities up and running with LTE by "mid 2012", and they are mostly in Texas. By the time Sprint's Nexus gets LTE in your area, you will most likely want to be getting another phone anyway. Doesn't make much sense unless you seriously dont care about 4g LTE. The next Nexus phone will be the one that is attractive for Sprint, since their network will be really ramping up then.
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Well it all depends on when they release it, if its in the next couple of months i will use someones upgrade on it if its later then 3 months i will hold off
The thing is even with the new fast roll out of lte i still don't know if i will have it in my city and having a nexus device for 2 years waiting for better stuff wouldnt kill me like how frusturating the epic was with updates. like i said tho it all depends when they release it, if its longer then 3 months then it might be too old too me. and wait...

Well I can't get a new phone until July, but this is great news! Now I know my next phone will be a quad-core 1.5GHz (or more) phone with an HD display, 12 MP camera, and LTE!
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So basically they are going to launch a 3g Nexus? Because they will only have 4 cities up and running with LTE by "mid 2012", and they are mostly in Texas. By the time Sprint's Nexus gets LTE in your area, you will most likely want to be getting another phone anyway. Doesn't make much sense unless you seriously dont care about 4g LTE. The next Nexus phone will be the one that is attractive for Sprint, since their network will be really ramping up then.
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DEEP IN THA HEART OF TEXAS XD
Can't wait untill I can updgrade won't be until december next year unless I whip out that old blackberry on another line
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Galaxy Nexus @ 429.99

ordering one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Galaxy-Nexus-I9250-16GB-Unlocked-Android-4-0-1-2-GHz-dual-core-/200739106754?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item2ebcfbafc2

if i hadn't just bought a SGSII i'd be all over this....

Maaaaan. Really wish they'd ship to Canada.

LOL another one, i'd bite when it hits $350

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LOL another one, i'd bite when it hits $350
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The wait game never ends.. you will see sgs3 around by then...

still here lot of people offering for above 500 range can't understand the logic

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still here lot of people offering for above 500 range can't understand the logic
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yup, they are just clearing stock before prices drop further, the deal i posted was not limited to 10-20 units though..
it was '5 sold' when I posted the link, '9 sold' by the time I made the purchase... and now it says '100 sold'

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still here lot of people offering for above 500 range can't understand the logic
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People are money hungry I guess, and some are stupid for not checking here first or any other sites for that matter.
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Will this work on T Mous 3g or 4g?
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Rhiannon224 said:
Will this work on T Mous 3g or 4g?
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Im sure it will its gsm unlocked .
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Will this work on T Mous 3g or 4g?
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It's a penta-band HSPA+ phone, so it should work on T-Mo (and most HSPA network around the world). T-Mo doesn't really have a true 4G network; in their marketing terms, HSPA+ = 4G.

enigma00 said:
It's a penta-band HSPA+ phone, so it should work on T-Mo (and most HSPA network around the world). T-Mo doesn't really have a true 4G network; in their marketing terms, HSPA+ = 4G.
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3.5G rounds up.
I'll confirm HSPA+ works. Speed Test was 10Mbps+. Checked out a co-workers.
Anyone know what build they are sending out?

I really want to bite on this but I'm trying not to. If it was in the three hundred range I would have jumped.
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uranis said:
I really want to bite on this but I'm trying not to. If it was in the three hundred range I would have jumped.
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you don't say !!

madnav said:
you don't say !!
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think it would drop more sooner rather than later, or wise to pick it up now?

uranis said:
think it would drop more sooner rather than later, or wise to pick it up now?
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HTC One X was a reason, thus it dropped from ~500+
Next reason is SGS III
which may not be around the market for another 2months..
But then one may want SGS III...
you can wait 2months and then decide... or compromise $30-50 price difference now and enjoy this nexus for next two months
On a different topic,
my recent device history is:
Vibrant -> Atrix -> SGS II -> Nexus S
I had SGS II and Nexus S simultaneously and I kept Nexus for its stability and curved display(feels much better than flat one). It is as snappy as sgsII and only part where I have to wait for the phone to process is when it is processing panaroma.
I really do not require an upgrade but still i'm going for gnexus as im excited to try what google has on platter with this one.
Considering I kept SGS based Nexus S over SGSII, it is highly likely that I will still stick to Gnexus despite of sgsIII launch.

madnav said:
HTC One X was a reason, thus it dropped from ~500+
Next reason is SGS III
which may not be around the market for another 2months..
But then one may want SGS III...
you can wait 2months and then decide... or compromise $30-50 price difference now and enjoy this nexus for next two months
On a different topic,
my recent device history is:
Vibrant -> Atrix -> SGS II -> Nexus S
I had SGS II and Nexus S simultaneously and I kept Nexus for its stability and curved display(feels much better than flat one). It is as snappy as sgsII and only part where I have to wait for the phone to process is when it is processing panaroma.
I really do not require an upgrade but still i'm going for gnexus as im excited to try what google has on platter with this one.
Considering I kept SGS based Nexus S over SGSII, it is highly likely that I will still stick to Gnexus despite of sgsIII launch.
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This is the price trend of the G Nexus, which is the worst I've seen on a nexus phone, yeah buy one, by the time the GS3 and iphone 5 are out this phone will not worth crap. I'd give this one a $300 price range in 2 months.
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madnav said:
HTC One X was a reason, thus it dropped from ~500+
Next reason is SGS III
which may not be around the market for another 2months..
But then one may want SGS III...
you can wait 2months and then decide... or compromise $30-50 price difference now and enjoy this nexus for next two months
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meh i just got the one x off contract, i could wait. Just was always interested in a google phone. Idk why it's just a guilty pleasure that i wanted in my hands since the nexus s and now i have the money to spend.
greenstuffs said:
This is the price trend of the G Nexus, which is the worst I've seen on a nexus phone, yeah buy one, by the time the GS3 and iphone 5 are out this phone will not worth crap. I'd give this one a $300 price range in 2 months.
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wow thats a huge dip in a short time, really never seen that for a phone. is the gnex that bad? i highly doubt it, but wow.

you can buy them locally for $350-$400 too, I dont find this as the best deal in the world, but its still pretty good.

maroon5 said:
you can buy them locally for $350-$400 too, I dont find this as the best deal in the world, but its still pretty good.
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This is the best online deal I have come across so far.
As far xda market trend, hardly anyone is willing to sell one below 450-480 despite of this deal being in place (an many other deals below 450 for quite a long)
PS: Members will be grateful if someone can purchase them locally for ~350 and sale on xda at that price; unfortunately nothing of that sort has happened yet..