I have considered building another Linux Developers Edition but possibly using Ubuntu for the base distro. What would you like for the base distro? How about apps for making your development more productive? Just remember, afa apps, the iso will increase with added apps so it needs to be something you absolutely can't live with out. Also, I began to make my own dev distro after having to re-install all my stuff for compiling or customizing roms after changing pcs a couple of times and now think it would benefit most.
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I have considered building another Linux Developers Edition but possibly using Ubuntu for the base distro. What would you like for the base distro? How about apps for making your development more productive? Just remember, afa apps, the iso will increase with added apps so it needs to be something you absolutely can't live with out. Also, I began to make my own dev distro after having to re-install all my stuff for compiling or customizing roms after changing pcs a couple of times and now think it would benefit most.
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Debian base, xfce desktop environment(lightweight), include java6 jdk, eclipse, android SDK, and all prerequisites from aosp site. Gimp for theming.
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I'll consider it. Currently I have Linux Mint gnome desktop with everything you mentioned to include and it works nicely.
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Debian base, xfce desktop environment(lightweight), include java6 jdk, eclipse, android SDK, and all prerequisites from aosp site. Gimp for theming.
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I like the above suggestions
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I'm looking at linux mint xfce which is debian based and of course xfce ui.
I would recommend tossing this into /lib/udev/rules.d/.
Its the android rules file for the dinc.
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I would recommend tossing this into /lib/udev/rules.d/.
Its the android rules file for the dinc.
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I think I can manage that
currently running Debian gnome is xfce really that much better???
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currently running Debian gnome is xfce really that much better???
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It's a lot less resource hungry. It uses far less ram which lends to more ram for your apps to run on. I'm trying to get linux mint xfce to work. So far I managed to install everything needed to compile and dev, but remastersys isn't fulling installing. I use remastersys to create a live cd image but since it won't install I may be trying another rout.
Ok, almost done with the new dev kit. It's Debian base with XFCE as the desktop. It was a real tuffy trying to get all the tools installed, but I did. Debian Squeeze and XFCE4 combo was a challenge. I built it, for the most part, from scratch. Just finishing up on customization.
CAN'T WAIT!!! (said like Bart Scott) lol
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I would recommend tossing this into /lib/udev/rules.d/.
Its the android rules file for the dinc.
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This is for adb, right?
Yea, it allows adb to recognize your phone. it's only for the Droid Incredible though. I think you could find a rules file for all phones on rootzwiki. Permissions need to be set chmod a+x.
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I have something better. It recognizes all phones. It works great.
Have some good news and bad news. Good news is that I finished the iso. Bad news is that it's actually larger in file size than the gnome dev kit. Hmmm...scratching my head on this one. I need to make it small enough to fit on a cd/pen drive. Don't give up just yet. Possibly considering lxde ontop of Debian.
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Have some good news and bad news. Good news is that I finished the iso. Bad news is that it's actually larger in file size than the gnome dev kit. Hmmm...scratching my head on this one. I need to make it small enough to fit on a cd/pen drive. Don't give up just yet. Possibly considering lxde ontop of Debian.
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I have a buddy who just tackled a similar project. He didn't do a devkit but just wanted his desktop and software pre-installed. He decided instead of rolling his own distro he would use the Debian installer and rebuild the iso. You can get his script and info here....
"http:"//schlutech.com/2011/07/the-debian-install-process
I have under 8 posts so in order to get the url above I added some quotes around the http:.
See if any of his stuff can help you with your project.
Hope this helps you.
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Thanks! I think I finally got it. It's under 1 gig now but I neg to trim off some more fat to get it small enough to fit on a cd/pen drive
Hrmm...
You're looking for out of box specifically? You could try modifying Gentoo's CDs to fit your bill. I'm still working on getting Gentoo into a successful install though.
Wanted to use dsl but no 64 bit distro
I created a debian-based xfce-desktop distro with dev tools (devkit v1.3) from scratch. I will make a formal tread when I can. Here is the un-official link:
====> http://dev-host.org/r5ziempnn0nq/grpdevkit_1.3.iso <===
Enjoy!
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Lately, I've seen more linux questions come up and people seem to want know what version of Linux they should use. So, I thought a poll would give people a good idea what others here are running and what they have to say about it. Please vote and comment if you'd like.
Currently, I'm running Ubuntu -- but will make the switch over the weekend to either Fedora or OpenSUSE, pending on the feedback that comes from this thread.
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Lately, I've seen more linux questions come up and people seem to want know what version of Linux they should use. So, I thought a poll would give people a good idea what others here are running and what they have to say about it. Please vote and comment if you'd like.
Currently, I'm running Ubuntu -- but will make the switch over the weekend to either Fedora or OpenSUSE, pending on the feedback that comes from this thread.
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Ubuntu here
Ubuntu 10.04 on my EEEpc and android in my blood
I was already expecting Ubuntu to be the clear winner -- but I'm hoping that it doesn't become a huge land slide win, lol.
I want to install something other than Ubuntu; so people's comment/feedback are very much welcome. Please, do share your opinions and experiences.
I have Ubuntu installed in VMWare Fusion, but that is for a class. I try to never touch the stuff.
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I was already expecting Ubuntu to be the clear winner -- but I'm hoping that it doesn't become a huge land slide win, lol.
I want to install something other than Ubuntu; so people's comment/feedback are very much welcome. Please, do share your opinions and experiences.
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If you want to move from ubuntu, but are in love with it's binary packaging manager, you will love arch linux.
If you're a guy who loves to do everything from source, then gentoo is for you.
If you want a very stable system, and also all the tools needed for programming and making packages for yourself, slackware is for you.
If you are a total noob, ubuntu is the choice for you
I personally use gentoo most of the time.
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If you want to move from ubuntu, but are in love with it's binary packaging manager, you will love arch linux.
If you're a guy who loves to do everything from source, then gentoo is for you.
If you want a very stable system, and also all the tools needed for programming and making packages for yourself, slackware is for you.
If you are a total noob, ubuntu is the choice for you
I personally use gentoo most of the time.
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Hahahaha, thanks for the answers. I'm not a newcomer to linux, been using it for a while now, but just thought I'd get an idea as to what people were using. Arch Linux sounds interesting, but so does gentoo and slackware -- looks like I'lll be testing heavily over the weekend!
Where's the Linux Mint love??? Haha that's my distro of choice, but its built from Ubuntu so I guess I should vote for that...
Just loaded my first linux OS and so far it is great. I will be out of windows if everything keeps goes this smooth.
I have to get a couple windows programs to run under linux and if I can I will dump windows all together.
I am running Linux Mint and loving it so far.
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Just loaded my first linux OS and so far it is great. I will be out of windows if everything keeps goes this smooth.
I have to get a couple windows programs to run under linux and if I can I will dump windows all together.
I am running Linux Mint and loving it so far.
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You're in luck my friend, I shall point you in the right direction:
WINE
2 votes for Linux Mint huh? Interesting.
Linux Mint is the best for me by far.
It's based off Ubuntu but made a lot nicer.
<3
How easy is Slackware to use?
edit: If you like Ubuntu, you can check out Debian. Ubuntu is the dummy version of Debian.
Linux has really grown since the 90's, almost all the widely known distro's are loved, and supported when it comes to say programming.
Just their are certain perks, like Gentoo uses a BSD based package installer called portage, and other stuff. I think it really just depends on what you are looking for, I'm personally looking into Arch Linux and Mint, but if I'm not happy, there's always Ubuntu for me
Backtrack !!!
kniteshift said:
How easy is Slackware to use?
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It's easy to set up and install, becuz is follows the KISS standard, but everything after that, you really need to know linux well to do, such as getting 3rd party packages, though people have been trying to make that easier with slapt-get and other overlays to the default package manager.
kniteshift said:
How easy is Slackware to use?
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Slackware was developed by Linus Torvalds (Linux creator). It's the oldest Linux distro around and its more "Unix-like" based. Slackware is considered one of the cleanest and least buggy distributions available today. For more information, you can go here -- it'll give you the Top 10 distro's.:
http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major
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Backtrack !!!
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Yay Backtrack and Auditor!!!
I have an Ubuntu box, but run LOTS of linux distros as live CD's when the need arises, such as Backtrack and Auditor. I also like PCLinuxOS and the Games for Linux live dvd's. Last time I checked, there were two of them.
But my favorite Linux-based OS has got to be Android
Guess who voted Slack pseudo lol.
There is only one.
pseudoremora said:
You're in luck my friend, I shall point you in the right direction:
WINE
2 votes for Linux Mint huh? Interesting.
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Thanks i loaded that up a couple days ago pretty cool.
Wine is emulating most of the windows programs i need but a couple will still crash etc. I am working on it trying to learn but so far it is going good
+1 for Mint.
Dual boot Arch and Ubuntu, but have not booted Ubuntu in quite a while.
Hey all!
I'm just curious. I wanna know if it's possible to run Ubuntu (or any other GNU/Linux distribution) on our little G3 (Guess 256M ram is enough).
Greeting
Like clarkkov said, there is not mouch practicality in having it on phones (except for geekasms), though I could see the potential usefulness on tablets, especially in a dual boot state. I find it kinda odd that no manufacturer is venturing into this, I think a dual boot android/ubuntu tablet would sell big time
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It is possible to run a Linux distro on any Android phone. SG3 is already running a Linux kernel, the problem is a specific linux distro needs to be ported, specifically the GUI. The desktop GUI is meant to work on different hardware, so it needs to be tweaked to work on SG3 hardware. Another problem is the installer, it is also engineered for desktop or laptop PCs and installation from DVD or USB, not for mobile platforms and ROM flashing.
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Thanks for the explanation!
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So, although it's possible and realistic to run Linux desktop distro, it is too much of a hassle, and imagine Gnome or Unity on a tiny 3.2 inch screen - useless!
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Yeah, see your point there. I was thinking that maybe, if we were able to run ubuntu on our G3, we would be able to use Eclipse and code on it (imagine how cool would that be! xD). But now that you point out the size of the screen (I didn't think it through XD).
clarkkov said:
And one more fun fact, there is Windows 95 ported to SG3 if you wan't to geek out, look for it in the black markets.
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Dude, before installing Windows on it, I'd prefer to throw it away...
try meego https://meego.com/
pflorin said:
try meego https://meego.com/
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will meego smoothly run on our g3???
clarkkov said:
It is possible to run a Linux distro on any Android phone. SG3 is already running a Linux kernel, the problem is a specific linux distro needs to be ported, specifically the GUI. The desktop GUI is meant to work on different hardware, so it needs to be tweaked to work on SG3 hardware. Another problem is the installer, it is also engineered for desktop or laptop PCs and installation from DVD or USB, not for mobile platforms and ROM flashing.
So, although it's possible and realistic to run Linux desktop distro, it is too much of a hassle, and imagine Gnome or Unity on a tiny 3.2 inch screen - useless!
Android is basically a Linux distro - Linux kernel with Android GUI instead of Gnome/Unity/KDE/XFCE etc. GUIs.
I personally would see this as a step backwards, because Android was specifically engineered to be a phone friendly Linux distro, Google could slap Gnome onto a phone, but it would be ridiculous.
You can install Terminal and Root Explorer from Android market and have fun just like in Ubuntu.
And one more fun fact, there is Windows 95 ported to SG3 if you wan't to geek out, look for it in the black markets.
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were could i find windows 95 ported on g3??
help porting meego on android device..!!
srinivas07 said:
were could i find windows 95 ported on g3??
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did you find an answer? id like to have a windows 95 running on my phone, it would be so nostalgic, back to the 90s all
anyone want WP7? i liked it..
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anyone want WP7? i liked it..
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what do you mean wp7? i dont think you can port wp7 just like *click! if you mean theme... i personally tried all the good wp7 themes for our phone along with the launcher 7 pro. it doesnt look good because of LDPI. i tried on a MDPI screen, 65 Thousand colours, works great, but on our crappy yet 16 Million colour screens, it just looks s***...
Hillbeast was porting DEBIAN which something like Linux. You could see that.
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Hillbeast was porting DEBIAN which something like Linux. You could see that.
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debian is really different too ubuntu. ubuntu is more ummm... userfriendly? i guess, debian is for networking freaks i dont think i got it wrong
by the way, the new version of ubuntu (cant remember if its 10.4 or 11.4, or something like that) takes up about 450MB just for the OS (gnome powered) and more for apps, obviously. we would have to use a massive swap partition, half a gig or more to be able to boot it... i dont like that idea. i can smell several sd cards burning already from it
Couldn't you use Linux Installer? It worked for me, although having a Debian/Android dualboot would be a lot better http://android.galoula.com/en/LinuxInstall/
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Couldn't you use Linux Installer? It worked for me, although having a Debian/Android dualboot would be a lot better http://android.galoula.com/en/LinuxInstall/
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i still cant imagine why would you want the linux distros to run on this tiny phone? (other than android obviously, lol) i would prefer writing my own launcher and using that daily im actually trying to learn coding for that very same reason
This is quite an old thread...
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I believe that Ubuntu wants to create a version for mobile phone
Android evolved from ubuntu.
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Please dont bump this really old thread...
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Hi everyone,
I consider buying a this nice little tablet I just wonder if anyone managed to install a complete Linux distribution on it like ArchLinux ARM natively (not emulation/virtualization not even chroot) with everything working. I guess that even if it's not done up to now it will be quite easy to do as everything is open source.
Thanks
So as a few months passed since the Nexus 7 is available and I just bought one yesterday, I thought that I could do a little up...
Hope mods won't think it is offensive to make alive an old thread with some kind of what I think is a good reason.
If no one can help me, I will probably work on a native ArchLinux ARM on my nice new tablet in the next days. But first I have to make sure I can get it back fully stock from a fully rooted/unlocked/repartitioned state. If I have no choice I will dd my entire N7's internal memory to a slightly bigger USB stick to recreate exactly the partition table. But I am not sure I can have a complete access to the internal flash memory (all of the partitions with the boot loader, recovery etc). If someone can confirm if I have only one memory drive or more to backup or if there is no chance that I cannot recrate then entire Android stock system from a corrupted partition table for example... I would appreciate it right!
Thanks in advance!
Sorry if this is already answered I have to confess that I didn't search for the last part, I don't have time this morning.
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Yeah installing Linux on the N7 has been done. I think the Ubuntu Distro is the one that was used for the successful install.
I did a little searching and found it for you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585009
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Wilks3y said:
Yeah installing Linux on the N7 has been done. I think the Ubuntu Distro is the one that was used for the successful install.
I did a little searching and found it for you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585009
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Thanks for your answer but I was looking for a native installation, not a chroot if possible that I can use hardware
acceleration (maybe that I still could with virtualGL though).
It is already a good point that it has been done in chroot, wich I am not surprised.
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johnride said:
Thanks for your answer but I was looking for a native installation, not a chroot if possible that I can use hardware
acceleration (maybe that I still could with virtualGL though).
It is already a good point that it has been done in chroot, wich I am not surprised.
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To be honest mate, I'm not into it all that deep, couldn't even tell ya the difference between chroot and a native client, perhaps you could explain for me?
the chrooted version is the android kernel with the ubuntu "programs" running. you can access the ubuntu desktop only via a vnc client, as there is no "real" x server running. think of it as ubuntu running as a service in the background which you then access via local network from your android.
would be interested in a native version as well.
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the chrooted version is the android kernel with the ubuntu "programs" running. you can access the ubuntu desktop only via a vnc client, as there is no "real" x server running. think of it as ubuntu running as a service in the background which you then access via local network from your android.
would be interested in a native version as well.
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That explains it, so basically on chroot the Ubuntu is a virtual machine in essence?
johnride said:
Hi everyone,
I consider buying a this nice little tablet I just wonder if anyone managed to install a complete Linux distribution on it like ArchLinux ARM natively (not emulation/virtualization not even chroot) with everything working. I guess that even if it's not done up to now it will be quite easy to do as everything is open source.
Thanks
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Has not been released yet, but definitely check out this: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
Nooo there is a big difference between chroot and virtualization. On a chroot you still use the same kernel which allows to have the same speed or almost as a native client for what does not require hardware acceleration. the point in getting and Native Client working is that we could get advantage of the GPU after some more or less hard work. I bought this tablet to replace my sold laptop the best I could so that's why I'm interested in this.
When you do virtualization, CPU instructions are converted from a type to another and this is very heavy on the CPU and this way you cannot have good performances.
Think of a road: in chroot you only have to make the instructions take a turn without slowing down while in virtualization you have to stop the "convertible" instructions "remove the roof" and then you can continue. That's why virtualization is much slower than chroot.
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Chroot says what it does: it changes the root. This means that programs that run in the chroot environment will think that the / is another folder than what it is really. For example if you do chroot /sdcard/ and you have a file named derp.txt on your sdcard than type rm /derp.txt it will work since your / is now /sdcard/. The most come in case of uses of EC truth is when you have a Linux machine not booting anymore so you have to repair the boot loader, you will boot on a Live CD of the same distro (Ubuntu for example), mount the drive with the broken installation, chroot to this installation regular root and perform the same reparation as if this install would be booted, still using the kernel and binaries from your live CD (unless you specify that you want to use those from the chrooted environment).
Hope this is clear.
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Has not been released yet, but definitely check out this: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
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Yeah that's a very nice project but I want the desktop on my tablet, no docks and all. This is also in chroot I believe. Probably that I will install ArchLinux in chroot and try to make VirtualGL work but it's not really what I want.
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When you do virtualization, CPU instructions are converted from a type to another and this is very heavy on the CPU and this way you cannot have good performances.
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Small clarification. You're describing emulation here. Emulation is one processor pretending to be another. The Android SDK provides an android emulator that pretends to be an ARM device while running on your x86 PC.
Virtualization is a special feature of some processor architectures that allows multiple, virtual memory spaces to be created that are isolated from each other at a very low-level. I seriously doubt (but don't know for sure) that the ARM architecture has much support for virtualization. VMWare and its ilk use virtualization.
Anyway, virtualization runs at full processor speed. However, access to everything but main RAM and the CPU may be emulated in most implementations. Particularly, it's very tricky to get proper access to the GPU via virtualization, so it is often emulated.
Trivia-time: The presence of a primitive form of virtualization in the 386 is what allowed Linux to be written back in the day. The 286 didn't support switching between normal and escalated privilege modes (aka kernel vs user process space) on the fly. Oh crap. Now I'm starting to show my age. Um, get off my lawn!?!
The more you know...
Thanks for the clarification old chap!
I knew about material virtualization with some CPU's but did not realize that there was no emulation for the biggest part of the instructions. Will sleep less dumb.
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would be interested in a native version as well.
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Mhmmm as we are probably not alone to be interested in this, I think I will open a topic in original development section to see how many would be interested and what direction I should take. If anyone supports that idea I will create the thread. I think it would be easier to put together all the good ideas in the dev section.
Ah you beat me to it!
Well we (the linuxonandroid team) have been running a device fund which has just finished.
One of the devices i will be getting from this is a nexus 7 which is being bought for two goals.
A) fixing tegra chip bugs with our chroot builds (after all chroot for many is a good way forward as it leaves android intact)
B) building native linux distro installs. Starting with ubuntu but expanding to as many distros that support ARM as possible (debian, backtrack, archlinux, fedora etc etc).
So prehaps you would like to PM me and maybe we can team up for this
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Ah you beat me to it!
Well we (the linuxonandroid team) have been running a device fund which has just finished.
One of the devices i will be getting from this is a nexus 7 which is being bought for two goals.
A) fixing tegra chip bugs with our chroot builds (after all chroot for many is a good way forward as it leaves android intact)
B) building native linux distro installs. Starting with ubuntu but expanding to as many distros that support ARM as possible (debian, backtrack, archlinux, fedora etc etc).
So prehaps you would like to PM me and maybe we can team up for this
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I am currently working on developing on booting ubuntu on the nexus 7. Check this thread out - > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1842915
So, I just had to wipe my laptop. Clean install of Windows 7 Home Premium. Was wondering, now that I'm running with a clean slate, should I run a Linux VM for my Nexus 7 development? Would that be conducive to a better, more comprehensive development environment? Would I be better off just using ADB and Eclipse in Windows? If a Linux VM is preferable, is there a particular distro that is preferable? I've heard most of the dev tools are made with Ubuntu in mind, but I want to make absolutely sure of this before I make the jump to dev in Linux. Another solution which is less preferable, all things considered due to the repartitioning involved, but probably better in the way of integration with hardware, would be to set up a dual boot with Win7/Linux...what do you all think?
tl/dr; wiped my hard drive, I want to know what works best for development.
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So, I just had to wipe my laptop. Clean install of Windows 7 Home Premium. Was wondering, now that I'm running with a clean slate, should I run a Linux VM for my Nexus 7 development? Would that be conducive to a better, more comprehensive development environment? Would I be better off just using ADB and Eclipse in Windows? If a Linux VM is preferable, is there a particular distro that is preferable? I've heard most of the dev tools are made with Ubuntu in mind, but I want to make absolutely sure of this before I make the jump to dev in Linux. Another solution which is less preferable, all things considered due to the repartitioning involved, but probably better in the way of integration with hardware, would be to set up a dual boot with Win7/Linux...what do you all think?
tl/dr; wiped my hard drive, I want to know what works best for development.
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If you're serious about development, I really recommend dual booting. If you just want to try it out then use a VM and then if you don't like it just delete the VM.
For the Linux distro I recommend Ubuntu or Linux Mint. They're both very easy to use.
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veeman said:
If you're serious about development, I really recommend dual booting. If you just want to try it out then use a VM and then if you don't like it just delete the VM.
For the Linux distro I recommend Ubuntu or Linux Mint. They're both very easy to use.
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Thanks. I just like...I've wanted to get into dev for a while, and I just couldn't stand the workarounds and **** required for Android development in Windows. I know to build Android you have to be running Linux, and many of the guides are written taking a standard install of Ubuntu into consideration. I'll probably just start out with apps since most of my experience is in Java, maybe once I sharpen my skills with C I'll start into working on ROM mods and stuff. All I have to say is thank FSM for the AOSP.
I run VMware on Vista 64 (well I like vista) and I have a variety of Linux systems defined. Android, Rails, Reprap, etc. All Ubuntu 12.04 LTS.
This works well for me. Android on native Windows was unusable.
And I really like Eclipse for an IDE.
Works well with the Android SDK and NDK.
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Is this going to be like Ubuntu in that Ubuntu is essentially Debian with packages added, some tweaks, and different themes and whatnot? (Basically, not trying to undermine the work canonical puts into the OS.) I'm thinking this could be android , but tweaked in the same way Debian is tweaked to become Ubuntu. Or could this be straight up Ubuntu with the phone elements added in? Does anyone have any insight on this? I'd like to know more about what this is going to be.
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Is this going to be like Ubuntu in that Ubuntu is essentially Debian with packages added, some tweaks, and different themes and whatnot? (Basically, not trying to undermine the work canonical puts into the OS.) I'm thinking this could be android , but tweaked in the same way Debian is tweaked to become Ubuntu. Or could this be straight up Ubuntu with the phone elements added in? Does anyone have any insight on this? I'd like to know more about what this is going to be.
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In Free software, the individual software components are always being reused, and this is the correct practice.
Debian is the upstream distribution for Ubuntu, so the basic packages are related to Debian, and might have some small changes in Ubuntu.
However, the full composition is Ubuntu, which includes additional packages that are currently found only in Ubuntu.
It is acceptable and encouraged in Free software to reuse software components. That's the purpose of Free software.
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Is this going to be like Ubuntu in that Ubuntu is essentially Debian with packages added, some tweaks, and different themes and whatnot? (Basically, not trying to undermine the work canonical puts into the OS.) I'm thinking this could be android , but tweaked in the same way Debian is tweaked to become Ubuntu. Or could this be straight up Ubuntu with the phone elements added in? Does anyone have any insight on this? I'd like to know more about what this is going to be.
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It's straight up Ubuntu, well a fork of Ubuntu for mobile resolutions, touch screens, etc. With added support for ARM devices and Android kernels. You can currently install the ARM version as a full OS on Nexus 7 devices, although it's far from polished as a full OS on tablets. The mobile OS is something different again, and should be great if it's done right. I already use Ubuntu 13.04 as my daily desktop environment, dual booting with winblows only for some games. Ubuntu for desktop just gets better and grows on me more each week, and each update. I imagine the phone OS will be similar, take a little learning, but become addicted with use.
I want to move my project ubnhd2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1975081
(currently ubuntu 10.10 & HTC HD2 & DesireHD only)
to the new ubuntu version that comes out soon.
I have some Questions:
I there a standard x-org server or do they bake their own bread like android ?
Can i use Modules from a 2.6.x Kernel Source ?
Can they release it closed-source ?
zo1d said:
I want to move my project ubnhd2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1975081
(currently ubuntu 10.10 & HTC HD2 & DesireHD only)
to the new ubuntu version that comes out soon.
I have some Questions:
I there a standard x-org server or do they bake their own bread like android ?
Can i use Modules from a 2.6.x Kernel Source ?
Can they release it closed-source ?
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1. don't know if there is a xserver involved or what, we will see when released.
2. hmm why would you want to do that? We dont know if canonical is using its own kernel based on the android kernel or if it will be the exact android kernel in which the device comes preinstalled.. We will see..
3. No.. sofar I am aware of, the core might be GPL'ed code, just like the Linux Kernel.. But we will first know when released, it could be LGPL too.. Thats what Qt is released on..
When it is released you will find the code on launchpad.
I really don't see why they can't use the same kernel that ships with the phones, since the android tree is included in the Linux kernel, and it is obviously open source. I think it would be trivial to redo tons of work that has already been done.
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Ehh they already said that they're going to use the standard android kernel of the phones....
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Ehh they already said that they're going to use the standard android kernel of the phones....
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Not really.. They said it is compatible with the android kernel.. As of using its drivers which makes it easier for manufactures to support Ubuntu phone if they already build android phones .... They never said they support the exact one that came with the phone, they might have their own based of the nexus source with their own settings and patches which is what I believe ..
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jscurtu said:
Not really.. They said it is compatible with the android kernel.. As of using its drivers which makes it easier for manufactures to support Ubuntu phone if they already build android phones .... They never said they support the exact one that came with the phone, they might have their own based of the nexus source with their own settings and patches which is what I believe ..
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Would make sense as it would create more dev opportunities for everyone to try their hand at.
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