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Samsung ordered to show its new prototypes to Apple

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ered_to_show_its_new_prototypes_to_apple.html
Hello everyone,
i guess now the S2 will receive some major updates to change the phone software entirely cos of the lawsuit from Apple. The new update already has a new music icon, please read the new above itll explain more.
Samsung has nailed the hardware and i really do hope they can do the same with the software eg touch Wiz which is a terrible UI.
they could have learnt to make something like the sense Ui which is much better.
Apps integration is so important for smartphones to work in harmony, not many phones can do that includng Multitasking and push notifications which are so important. preview widgets could have been improved to give more info to a user without having the need to tap so many times.
Its time for Samsung to bring in some great developers to help them with great UI to nail the market
Apple developers are only human!!!

The topic is a little misleading (the same goes for most of the headlines in the tech press). Apple will not be able to see unreleased Samsung hardware, only the legal firm handling this case for Apple. That means (as mentioned in the article you link to) that Apple's engineers and in-house legal team will not be given access to the unreleased products.
Apple might very well lose the case as well, so I don't expect any drastic changes in the near future as these cases tend to go on for a couple of years.
Would be funny if Samsung terminated their contract with Apple though, think there would be a slight delay to their new products if they were suddenly missing almost all the hardware parts

Maybe this is why the US s2 launch date was postponed?

SBS_ said:
The topic is a little misleading (the same goes for most of the headlines in the tech press). Apple will not be able to see unreleased Samsung hardware, only the legal firm handling this case for Apple. That means (as mentioned in the article you link to) that Apple's engineers and in-house legal team will not be given access to the unreleased products.
Apple might very well lose the case as well, so I don't expect any drastic changes in the near future as these cases tend to go on for a couple of years.
Would be funny if Samsung terminated their contract with Apple though, think there would be a slight delay to their new products if they were suddenly missing almost all the hardware parts
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I dont know why they have to fight with each other rather than working on better software for the user. They work with each other and samsung provides some hardware to Apple, as a company Samsung totally rocks but probably lacks vision cos they dont have a steve jobs sat there. They have even demoed flexible and transparent screens, if anyone Apple would miss out on these if Samsung lost the case.

dinan said:
Maybe this is why the US s2 launch date was postponed?
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Probably. The event was cancelled suddenly late last Monday (May 16). The judges ruling came out last Wednesday (May 18). Samsung's lawyers probably had an indication of how the judge was going to rule. Samsung probably figured it was better to delay announcing new products if there was a chance that Apple could win an injunction against their release.
It appears like Samsung has 30 days to provide Apple with the products in question (Galaxy S2, Galaxy Tab 8.9, Galaxy Tab 10.1, Infuse 4G, and 4G LTE Droid Charge). Who knows how much time Apple's outside counsel gets to review the products before determining if they want to file an injunction. At this rate, who knows when the U.S. will see the S II...if at all if an injunction is granted.

viniturb0 said:
I dont know why they have to fight with each other rather than working on better software for the user. They work with each other and samsung provides some hardware to Apple, as a company Samsung totally rocks but probably lacks vision cos they dont have a steve jobs sat there. They have even demoed flexible and transparent screens, if anyone Apple would miss out on these if Samsung lost the case.
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Apple are probably suing as a tactic to dent Galaxy sales and damage Samsung's rep.
Seeing as the rumored iphone 5 will have a widescreen like basically all Android phones that have been released in the last 1 1/2 years, don't be surprised if some fanboys complain <insert non-Apple manufacturer here> "copied" the iPhone -_-

sense sux in my opinion. tw4 is much better, not very intrusive UI-wise.
don't put your opinion as a general fact

I like touchwiz more than sense. Touchwiz is nice fast clean UI...

The only company I can see loosing out from all of this is Samsung choosing not to supply its top of the range components to Apple..
Apple should really watch itself and who it wants to sue. If all of the top manufacturers decide to boycott Apple because they're sick of their bull****, Apple will be forced to source cheap rubbish china parts, and only the end users will loose out...

bilboa1 said:
sense sux in my opinion. tw4 is much better, not very intrusive UI-wise.
don't put your opinion as a general fact
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cheetah2k said:
The only company I can see loosing out from all of this is Samsung choosing not to supply its top of the range components to Apple..
Apple should really watch itself and who it wants to sue. If all of the top manufacturers decide to boycott Apple because they're sick of their bull****, Apple will be forced to source cheap rubbish china parts, and only the end users will loose out...
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with this being true who knows how much money said hardware companies make by providing parts to apple...
interesting case none the less

bilboa1 said:
sense sux in my opinion. tw4 is much better, not very intrusive UI-wise.
don't put your opinion as a general fact
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+ ten million
jje

cheetah2k said:
The only company I can see loosing out from all of this is Samsung choosing not to supply its top of the range components to Apple..
Apple should really watch itself and who it wants to sue. If all of the top manufacturers decide to boycott Apple because they're sick of their bull****, Apple will be forced to source cheap rubbish china parts, and only the end users will loose out...
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Nah...dont see that happening!! You need to understand that businesses dont run on emotions! Samsung's R&D units need money to develop new hardware, and that money comes from large scale customers like Apple! Dont think samsung will dump apple just for this. Apple's management knows this....they are not fools !

dinan said:
Maybe this is why the US s2 launch date was postponed?
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It may have something to do with the Microsoft's mango update announcement being on the same day

bilboa1 said:
sense sux in my opinion. tw4 is much better, not very intrusive UI-wise.
don't put your opinion as a general fact
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Sense rocked in the early days of Android when the interface was bland and lacked credible home alternatives, but now it sucks big time. Not that I'm a TW4 fan, but it's far less intrusive and easy to bypass so for that reason I'll rather have it.
Back to the topic.... yeah interesting case and without going back in time to decide who did one first I feel the interfaces bear too much of a resemblance.

cheetah2k said:
The only company I can see loosing out from all of this is Samsung choosing not to supply its top of the range components to Apple..
Apple should really watch itself and who it wants to sue. If all of the top manufacturers decide to boycott Apple because they're sick of their bull****, Apple will be forced to source cheap rubbish china parts, and only the end users will loose out...
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I agree they need to be careful, but boycott. Never. Apple just SHIFT TOO many units for ANY manufacturer to turn down. (unless it's for logical reasons like they can't meet demand, but i doubt Apple would even go to them if that was the case)
And may I just add, I really hate apple. -_-
Hate their business ethic and I just hate they/he runs the company. (Not going to lie, it's clever and really wise because it brings in HUGE volumes of sales) but it still despise it!
Patent everything them make, sue everyone that has any similarities what-so-ever. Again it's clever but so annoying.

skola said:
with this being true who knows how much money said hardware companies make by providing parts to apple...
interesting case none the less
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Not sure about profits, but it looks like Apple was responsible for about 4% or 5.6B of Samsung's revenue in 2010. Samsung's overall net income is about 10% of revenues, so Apple probably provides somewhere in the ballpark of $500 million of net income to Samsung.

daivik said:
I agree they need to be careful, but boycott. Never. Apple just SHIFT TOO many units for ANY manufacturer to turn down. (unless it's for logical reasons like they can't meet demand, but i doubt Apple would even go to them if that was the case)
And may I just add, I really hate apple. -_-
Hate their business ethic and I just hate they/he runs the company. (Not going to lie, it's clever and really wise because it brings in HUGE volumes of sales) but it still despise it!
Patent everything them make, sue everyone that has any similarities what-so-ever. Again it's clever but so annoying.
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Yeah... just wish i had been around to patent the hell outta scrambled eggs and the idea of cooking eggs in general, and using them to make other foods. That and patent selling cows milk as a beverage...
I hate apple.
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I hate Microsoft more...
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/28/microsoft-says-android-infringes-on-its-patents-licenses-htc/

I have compared touch Wiz and iOS ,Xperia UI,Sence UI.
IMO TouchWiz does looks like rip off from iOS. For example compare clock app , TouchWiz Clock app is exact replica of iOS. Xperia UI,Sence UI looks different. Similarly many other parts of TouchWiz resembles iOS. Even the design of Galaxy S looks very similar to Iphone 3GS/3G. HTC, SE, Motorola phone looks different. But Samsung phone somehow resembles Iphone.

Halted in europe

Reports are coming in that Apple has been granted a preliminary injunction for the entire European Union (excluding Netherlands) that will halt distribution of Samsung’s Galaxy Tab 10.1. This comes on the heels of a postponed launch of the device in Australia due to a lawsuit with Apple.
The decision by the Regional Court of Dusseldorf in Germany to block sales of the device comes after a judge sided with Apple on claims that Galaxy Tab infringed on patents related to the iPad 2. While Samsung can appeal the court’s decision sometime in the next month, the Telegraph’s Shane Richmond is quick to point out it would be heard by the same judge. Apple is also said to have a separate lawsuit filed in the Netherlands as well.
Samsung had this to say in a recent statement about their legal disputes with Apple:
“Samsung believes that there is no legal basis for this assertion. We will continue to serve our customers and distributors and the sale of Samsung products will be continued.”
And Apple has made their stance on the situation clear…
“It’s no coincidence that Samsung’s latest products look a lot like the iPhone and iPad, from the shape of the hardware to the user interface and even the packaging. This kind of blatant copying is wrong, and we need to protect Apple’s intellectual property when companies steal our ideas.”
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Source 9 to 5 mac
I admit i'm a transformer guy and an iPhone user but this really sucks ... come on apple how different can a tablet really be...

Here is a great article.... http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/08/preliminary-injunction-granted-by.html
I fell bad for the android fans in Europe, I have to say that the galaxy tab 10 is the best android tablet out there. I have owned and used them all.

Yah, I have a GT 10.1 and and iPhone 4, and there's really not much different about any of the tablets. There all a flat sheet of glass....

Guess they'll have to make due with this instead:
http://www.samsung.com/us/simulators/galaxytab101emulator/

burhanistan said:
Guess they'll have to make due with this instead:
http://www.samsung.com/us/simulators/galaxytab101emulator/
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That isn't such a bad thing, since the emulator runs faster than the real thing

Wow this is crazy....i don't know how the galaxy tab 10.1 is similar to ipad2?
Atleast with the phone there is some argument with touchwiz looking similar to iphone with home button. But with the tab 10.1? Seriously Apple cmon let consumers have choice to buy what they want. Eventually the better product will win, not by blocking compitetor product sales.

Maybe Apple is worried about a better product...

No difference at all
Only a different screen size, aspect ratio, OS, camera orientation, speaker design, double the RAM...

My country makes me sad!

Looks a lot like apple products... how many ways can you design a flat device be it a phone or a tab? then they say the user interface looks a lot like apple iOS when it couldnt be more different! in fact its 100 times better and thats what has got apple messing themselves.
not a peep out of apple for yrs until android, samsung and htc have come along and started to kick their ass

They should have skipped Touchwizz, it makes the tablet look like an Ipad.
Oh, all ports are an EXACT copy of Apple products.
No SD-Card, same plug + adapters, same price etc. makes it look and feel Ipad like, not Android like !
The really wanted to beat Apple and took over to much.
I guess the 10.1 is dead now. Propably they will hurry to release a Tegra3 Tab.

I am really pissed...
http://winfuture.de/news,64823.html

I ordered my GT10.1 yesterday from Germany and it shipped today (at least i hope it did).

Of all Sammy products, the GT10.1 seems the least like an apple product, in specs, hardware and software, especially compared to earlier phones.
Yet Apple is after the GT10.1 probably cause they know they've lost dominance in the cell phone market to android phones, and very much fear the same will happen in the tablet market,especially since GT10.1 is the most credible (if not better at least hardware wise) competition.
Apples is a smart innovative company, but I felt from my iPod touch days that I couldn't live with their suffocating and closed (my-way-or-no-way) approach to using their products.
Now, it seems like apple is taking their domineering ways one notch further and just trying to suffocate any competition.
I hope Apple keeps making good products but I hope they don't succeed in killing alternatives. Just leave the choice to us customers.

Well, this is unique. The EU has been quick to block, ban, stop or otherwise harrass American companies just because they're American companies. Even when there's no legal reason or precidence to do so.
Part of me wishes Apple well just for that reason. Alas, the logical part of me wishes justice be served.
Isn't it ironic that a decade ago that Microsoft was the evil empire and Apple was the underdog. Now Apple has become the evil empire and scarier than Microsoft ever was.

One thing is for sure, if Apple stops me of using a product I like, then Apple is more than a just a bad product ... This is such bad advertisement ...
I say, Samsung use this! Great opportunity.

dcc22 said:
They should have skipped Touchwizz, it makes the tablet look like an Ipad.
Oh, all ports are an EXACT copy of Apple products.
No SD-Card, same plug + adapters, same price etc. makes it look and feel Ipad like, not Android like !
The really wanted to beat Apple and took over to much.
I guess the 10.1 is dead now. Propably they will hurry to release a Tegra3 Tab.
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May be you should troll somewhere else. Also, when you haven't compared 2 side by side, then don't even post anything in regards to Gtab.
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its reasons like this i sold my ipad, and iphone;
bought a HTC Desire HD, and a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
will never buy another apple product again.

Apple is suing HTC, too. And at this point, theyre winning. I mean, how different can a tablet be??!!! What, apple wants everyone else to make round products that only have a black 'speak-only' screen????
Wtf apple!!??? God, i HATE apple!
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Time to hit the drawing boards. The gtab is dead. Well this should allow Samsung to come out with something more defined and truly a work of art.
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Samsung vs. Apple vs. Innovation

Well, things are not looking very good for Samsung right at the moment. A judge in Germany has declared that until this whole IP lawsuit by Apple is settled, Samsung cannot sell their new Galaxy Tab 10.1 anywhere in the EU except for the Netherlands. A similar ruling in Australia previously blocked sales down under as well.
Many pundits are saying they expect this to be the first falling rocks of a judicial landslide in Apple's favor that will savage Samsung's reputation as a rising player in the mobile space and force them to either withdraw most of the Galaxy line of products from sale or pay a massive sum to Apple...or possibly both.
This decision and the mindset behind it pisses me off. Remember that a lie unchallenged becomes the truth, and may then be used to support further lies. The lies that have become truth amongst the digital intelligentsia due to being unchallenged (or at least by having the challenges shouted down too often) are that "Apple invented the GUI" (not true, that was Xerox), that "Apple invented the Smartphone" (not true, that was probably Palm with the Treo or Nokia) and that "Apple invented using Apps" (not true, I had some great Apps on my PocketPC and my Treo both, only they were still called Programs). You can read those same fables almost every day, with the word "invented" being used in place of the more honest terms "popularized" or "helped develop", on almost all tech blogs and newspapers on the net.
Those fables are now being used to support the far broader fable that "Apple invented mobile computing" which to a degree was upheld by this German judge when he supported Apple's claim that any flat rectangle with a large touch screen is essential stolen from Cupertino. This sort of thinking, for all kinds of reasons, is just plain wrong.
So at first I fumed...but then I thought it all through again, and saw that the worst case scenario may not be so bad after all, and that to a degree Samsung brought it on themselves. Are Galaxy products similar to Apple iOS devices? Sure, especially the TouchWiz GUI. Faced with a market that clearly loved the way the iPhone looked and operated, Samsung opted to give them a slightly tweaked version of what they loved rather then try to convince them to try something new. It is tough to blame them...look at Microsoft. All critics agreed that Windows Phone 7 was fresh and innovative and a good start that would improve rapidly...and consumers STILL stayed away in droves. MS is staying the course and betting that eventually WP7 will catch on, but that takes a company willing to burn an enormous amount of money and patience...which most companies just can't do the way that Redmond can.
Therefore Samsung pandered to the public's current tastes and may now pay the price for that....but we as users may see something good come out of this.
Am I the only one that is bored to tears by the iOS interface? Can't we move beyond the minimalist Apple design concept that seems to inspire almost every phone and tablet available today? Perhaps if the courts side with Apple in this lawsuit, it will force Samsung and other tech companies to innovate again, to take risks on new form factors and different ways to present content and features, to go beyond the big rectangle with the large touchscreen and the app icons. If products are not allowed to look like an iPhone anymore, what WILL new products look like? I have no idea...and I like that.
People have spent a lot of time looking for an iPhone/iPad killer...but for a product to truly compete with those heavyweights it has to first of all be DIFFERENT from them. Experience has shown that if you try to beat Steve Jobs at his own game, you will lose and just be another snide jab in his next keynote. For a product to succeed it first has to stand out in both form and function. Win or lose, hopefully this lawsuit will make that clear to Samsung....or somebody.
EDIT: Here is an interesting note...Samsung is not alone in being a target for Apple's ire. They are also suing Motorola in Europe over the design of the Xoom. COuld a similar injunction be seen soon that will end Xoom sales in Europe? Read the details at http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/08/apple-is-also-suing-motorola-in-europe.html

I will hope apple lose in their anti competitive behavior. If apple win this battle, there will be more ridiculous court case eg, Toshiba will sue apple for the 'look and feel' like a computer, IBM will sue cos having the word 'OS' , Ford will sue every car with four wheels, MS will sue any system for having a boot up screen... I want my galaxy tab 8.9 now!!!!
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don't wanna be a smartshitter but Ford didn't invent the car my friend^^
That was Mr Daimler from Germany who build the "first" car and Mr Benz who build the first "modern" car years before Ford...and who knows what these nasty germans will do^^
greetz

MasterJam882 said:
don't wanna be a smartshitter but Ford didn't invent the car my friend^^
That was Mr Benz from Germany...and who knows what these nasty germans will do^^
greetz
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True, but Ford spent a lot of time and newsprint saying that Ford invented the "mass produced" car, eventually dropping the mass produced part. Now if you ask people what the first car was, a sizable majority (especially in the US) will say the Model T Ford. Just like most people now would say that Apple invented the Tablet.

rschenck did you have a look at the actual community design in question? for me it looks like if this lawsuite is a win for apple, nobody else will be allowed to actually built tablets anymore... so i guess this will just hold back the tab 10.1 for a while on european market, but not stop samsung at all...
edit: and this has solely to do with the case design, nothing about the interface there...

rschenck, an excellent post about a very important subject. I agree that this could be a reason for Samsung and others to boost innovation and creativity.
In general, it seems just madness to me that a company like Apple is able to prevent others using similar form factor. I suppose the German judge is not to blame, he's just doing his job (well I didn't really check if he had a choice. I guess it's the ones that make the legislation who would need to be educated.
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Btw how likely is it that a person buying a phone accidentally gets a Samsung because he/she thinks it's an iPhone? Come on, tell me people aren't that stupid. Oh well, I guess there must be fair amount of those who can't read, shopping for smartphones. But still, there's the picture of an apple...
I wonder if Apple has thought of suing apple farmers for growing products that resemble their logo. Just think about it: the poor customer thinks he's getting an iPhone and when he gets home he finds out he bought a fruit.

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rschenck did you have a look at the actual community design in question? for me it looks like if this lawsuite is a win for apple, nobody else will be allowed to actually built tablets anymore... so i guess this will just hold back the tab 10.1 for a while on european market, but not stop samsung at all...
edit: and this has solely to do with the case design, nothing about the interface there...
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I am not sure of your point in the first paragraph, but based on what I think you are saying I agree that if Apple wins all it is asking for, that other companies will need to look to radical new designs and Google may need to relax their hardware restrictions to a great degree to allow companies to compete.
The German decision just hinges on the form factor of the Galaxy Tab 10.1, but the GUI and TouchWiz interface play a big part in the overall legal argument.
Here is a good breakdown of the lawsuit and what Apple is claiming...http://thisismynext.com/2011/04/19/apple-sues-samsung-analysis/

Still a bit silly on apple, they think they own the form factor of a tablet. Just like Sony decided they own the invention of the TV screen. The 10.1 is nothing like the ipad, for a start it's 16:4 ratio whether other is 4:3, how on earth one can be mistaken a square for a rectangle. I hope the Beatles start suing apple for the name
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I hope the Beatles start suing apple for the name
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Been there done that....Jobs won.

Ok, I hope LG will sued apple for using 'touch' as an interface.
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See my edit above...Motorola joins the fray as well.

Last year I wanted to buy a new smartphone, and as an Apple fanboy I only thought about buying an iPhone. Unfortunately in my country when the iPhone 4 was launched it costed around €650 which was too expensive for my wallet. Then I met the Galaxy S, which was basically kind of an iPhone rip-off but was €250 cheaper. I bought the Galaxy S and today it's still my phone.
So yes, in the end, if the i9000 didn't exist I guess I would have probably ended up buying the iPhone, and Apple could easily argue that they lost at least one customer because the TouchWiz UI and overall design looks pretty much like the iPhone.
I know there's more people in the world like me, I know how many times non tech savvy people asked me if I had bought an iPhone when they saw my Samsung phone for the first time... so in the end we must admit that Apple has a point
The iPhone has a very strong product image among the consumer and Samsung capitalized on that!

Look at it like this, apple sucks! The mac is a pc! Windows stomped apple for years and still does. Jobs never could get it right. Microsoft wins because they have one, not many ideas. The pc was made to be universal, the outside can be anything you or I want it to be. Ios and android are nothing alike. All apple is concerns about is the fact people are tired of being told what they can do with the crapple they bought! That's why I switched. When jobs dies, see what happens! Apple will rape the ios trying to get back to the top! Can I use words instead of icons to open an app or display the weather, not on crapple! Can a maxi pad hook to a server to fix an issue, nope! It's an over sized ipod! Now samsung screwed themselves with the 10.1! Look at it, one cable that looks just like apples, one port, the damn cheap plastic, it wreaks of copy cat! Apple couldn't patent the use of "market" cause then the flea market and grocery market would eat their lunch! Apple is losing the war and they know it! All they are doing is slowing their eventual death! I say we invent a toy and call it the iplug! Of course as soon as apple hears it, they will sue. An apple with the letter I on top! Only problem apple is unaware that it's an adult toy! How pathetic would they look?
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@rschenk
Nice to take a break from flashing and bricking and then puffing and panting.........
Firstly,their TAB went on sale in India and Australia today I believe.
I reckon the biggest market for Samsung is all-Asia inclusive of big brother China where Apple will not be able to stop anything!In fact,Chinese stores started selling 'Hi-phone 5' today,for virtually a song.
Yes,where these firms make a mistake is the 'Me-too' attitude like you mentioned in the case of the GUI viz TOUCHWIZ in the case of Samsung and of course the form factor.
All said and done,it's 'dog eat dog' out there with android itself being under very severe attack from Apple/Microsoft.The biggest gainer eventually would be the customers with some real differentiating possibilities beyond the mere price of these expensive gadgets!
ps---really enjoyed your post!

i want to sue steve jobs because he looks like someone i know

Great thread ! i totally agree with you on this, I do like the Samsung android devices, BUT they do look a lot like the iphone, just like the MIUI rom (which im using lol)
It would be great if Samsung made massive changes to their devices, and something 10 x better than iOS which to be honest.... is nice..
Who knows whats going to happen, maybe its just bullying on a mass scale, Maybe its for the best... But no matter what happens, I will never own an iphone, I will go back to a nokia 6210 if i have too.
I dont rape iphone users, I havent got the balls (pun intended!) But for me, i hate apple, i hate the restrictions, the forcing of using itunes only. and all the other **** they make you do.
I want a phone that i can suit to my needs, and do what i want to it. And thats why i am an android user. Its not Samsung that i like.... its android, so as long as android continues... i couldnt give a **** !!

To be honest,
I love the quality of Samsung products, and this made me kinda fan-boy of them. Because their quality is superb. If there was a better company I would switch but there is not. (Depending on the device of course, canon makes better reflex camera, no doubt, just as example).
You can look at this as a step to the future because companies now might improve their product designs, but we are talking about tablets. What do you think tablets look like? I don't see tablets in a pyramid case... honestly, for me it is just a huge "what the f*ck".
Thumbs down for Apple and the Judge who is a complete retard.
Regards

There's why our xoom has the funny crap way of being used. Microsoft did it! Let's all mass email Microsoft and tell 'em we are switching to Mac and ios! See what happens to apple. I am sick of buying devices and being told I can't do what I want with it! Next they will stop selling printing paper cuz it's white and rectangled! Then there's the saying the alphabet....abcdefghjklmnopqrstuvxyz! Apple didn't invent crap! They stole most of everything they make! I say we start a petition to stop apple's lawsuits. Or we can file a class action against apple for being idiots! And another thing! Why do Mac's work with windows? Oh yeah apple's CPU sucked!!!!!
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Well, it's a company's job to make money to its shareholders. Can we really blame Apple alone for using methods like this? After all it seems that (legally) Apple has a case here so it's worth trying. Imo the question is should there be patent and IP laws that allow patenting a rectangular shape

Intelligent thinking. Very well written too. You deserve a pat on shoulder.

[email protected]#! Apple!

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/26/judge-koh-stops-us-sales-of-galaxy-tab-10-1-puts-a-smack-down-o/
Sad stuff when tech issues are in the hands of tech-illiterate people

I wonder if they'll be suing Microsoft over their new Surface tablet next?

lol Apple needs to keep their head in the game. Since Jobs has left, I havent seen anything new revolutionary from Apple yet. Keep throwing the same stuff with different flavors.
*puts on flame suit*

Its okay - Samsung will just reroute themselves and viola. Comes the tab 10.1 2.

F*#@#4 APPLE
I'm so pissed at this company that I hope that they get nuked someday. They need to go under once again and all the other companies laugh at their pathetic smug shareholders. That company is run by steve job clones so pathetic. So much anger towards this company I'm fuming as I read all this crap. Karma is all I have to say one day they'll get theirs.

Apple just had their suit against Motorola tossed with prejudice, that patent will soon be invalidated

I love how you guys can keep trashing Apple when the iPad is still outselling everything and no handset can match the sales figures of the iPhone.
Just saying.

I love my Apple stock. I check it very often on my Android phone and tablet.

Good, maybe Samsung can use this time to push out ICS /sarcasm.
Seriously, the Galaxy Tab 10.1 does fool the casual observer, quite often. I can't count how many times I'm asked if my Galaxy Tab 10.1 an iPad. They should have differentiated their design just a bit more as they did with the sequel.

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Good, maybe Samsung can use this time to push out ICS /sarcasm.
Seriously, the Galaxy Tab 10.1 does fool the casual observer, quite often. I can't count how many times I'm asked if my Galaxy Tab 10.1 an iPad. They should have differentiated their design just a bit more as they did with the sequel.
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Well apparently not even Samsung's lawyers can tell the difference.

L33t Masta said:
I love how you guys can keep trashing Apple when the iPad is still outselling everything and no handset can match the sales figures of the iPhone.
Just saying.
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I think that's really unrelated and a whole different story.

Time for samsung to up the game
I think if Samsung is smart and I do believe they are, with AMOLED Flexible displays on the horizon. Apple is going to **** bricks soon as Samsung unveils their plans on a new generation of tablets. Samsung is at the forefront of Display Technology and I do believe if they are smart to not allow Apple to use the See Through Flexible AMOLEDs and the Flexible displays. Once these new products are out lets see what Apple is going to do, I bet they are going to claim they invented the AMOLED too, pathetic piece of trash a company APPLE.
Just in case no one knows Samsung has already applied for a patent on flexible roll display much like the ones used in ( the SCIFI show with the Talons forgot the name of that show, the blue guys ).

I'm not getting any update for my Galaxy Tab 10.1 here in Germany. I would like to THAKS APPLE for their contribution.:angel: had to flash to UK-ROM to keep getting the updates.
I just hate these patent wars.

(Curiosity) Am I the only one who feels like Apple is monitoring my spending habits?

Sunday, September 2, 2012
Note 10.1 Owners & XDA Members:
First, let me introduce myself. My name is Ed and I am the owner of a small networking and integration firm in Louisville, KY. While I am extremely proficient in my profession, my interest in mobile devices is a personal one and really more of a hobby. The number of times I've been corrected by Entropy512 will confirm that.
Anyway, enough about me. What I was wanting to know is, am I the only one who feels like Apple is monitoring my spending habits and basing their lawsuits on them? I mean seriously... the only Samsung device I own that has yet to be added to an Apple complaint is my absolutely gorgeous Tab 7.7 (GT-P6810) and it's 7.7" 1280x800 Super AMOLED Plus awesomeness! My other devices include the original Galaxy Note (GT-N7000), a Galaxy S III (GT-I9300), and a Galaxy Note 10.1 (GT-N8013) that I literally just bought yesterday!! Now today I read that Apple has added all but one of my devices to their most recent complaint. I would really like to own a device without having to worry about whether or not it was going to lose features. Am I the only one who feels this way?
Thanks,
Ed
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I don't feel like Apple is tracking spending habits, however every device listed is a very powerful (and popular) device. I've recently decided to pick up a GNote 10.1 over the TF700, and it feels like Apple is targeting anything popular that Samsung is rolling out. They really are trying to cripple the U.S market for Samsung, and It's really annoying.
iWay or no way I guess. I hope they get decimated with patent lawsuits.
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Yes. It's all your fault! :laugh: But there is a solution - buy some iPad so they will sue themselves.

Biohazard0289 said:
I don't feel like Apple is tracking spending habits, however every device listed is a very powerful (and popular) device. I've recently decided to pick up a GNote 10.1 over the TF700, and it feels like Apple is targeting anything popular that Samsung is rolling out. They really are trying to cripple the U.S market for Samsung, and It's really annoying.
iWay or no way I guess. I hope they get decimated with patent lawsuits.
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I get what you're saying. However, if you're gonna wish, you should probably wish for Apple to be annihilated, not decimated. To decimate is to reduce by 10%. I'd be happier with 90%. Apple was a very likeable company when they were on the verge of bankruptcy.
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well.
how to say ?
This is a blockage to creativity. And it is getting more ridiculous.
I mean, all of us also can see, where is the part which S3, N7000, and N8000 have copied from apple ?
On its first launch of Galaxy S i9000, yes, apple has the right to say that, since from the design, make-up and appearance, it is quite "similar".
I said "similar", not "same". Apple also claim that the gallery model on i9000 is copying their products, with a pinch method to zoom, etc.
Yes, apple may say like that for i9100.
But what right do they have to sue all samsung products ? Getting frustrated after Steve Jobs pass away ?
Especially on the N8000, I don't see anything similar on the iPad products.
From the looks, it is different alrd. Not to say about the S-Pen, Multiscreen, Pop-up play, floating keyboard, with the 3D surround speaker on the left and right side of the N8000.
I only see that apple is getting more and more ridiculous.
But...
How not to jealous with Samsung ?
Ever since from Samsung S2, Note 1, S3, Note 10.1,.... Samsung always can grab apple market.
With android as the open source, and a lot developer supporting android, how Apple can win market ?
In Singapore itself, the market for samsung has been grown eversince Galaxy S2. And one by one, ppl start to change from iPhone to Samsung.
Now you tell me, how not to jealous, in here, at least before Galaxy S come out, almost everyone here got an iPhone (I think arount 80% of the mobile market here was under Apple).
Once i9000 come out, ppl here still confuse to change or not, since i9000 is Samsung 1st debut to beat iPhone.
But after that, come out i9100, the market just suddenly boost up for Samsung here.
Up to now, only in around 2 years+, at least here, Samsung can grab at least 40 - 50% of iPhone market.
And now, with Galaxy Note 10.1" (with its all special features), don't u think if this device is very cool, it will grab the iPad market as well ?
:victory: **peace** :victory:

This is a great article.
Apple Worked A Broken Patent System
Apple used a dysfunctional U.S. patent system to gain excessive control over technologies it did not invent. If you value innovation, don't cheer Samsung's punishment.
Charles Babcock Editor At Large, InformationWeek
http://www.informationweek.com/mobility/smart-phones/apple-worked-a-broken-patent-system/240006568

BarryH_GEG said:
This is a great article.
Apple Worked A Broken Patent System
Apple used a dysfunctional U.S. patent system to gain excessive control over technologies it did not invent. If you value innovation, don't cheer Samsung's punishment.
Charles Babcock Editor At Large, InformationWeek
http://www.informationweek.com/mobility/smart-phones/apple-worked-a-broken-patent-system/240006568
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+1. Apple has handled this worse than microsofts attempt of monopoly back in the 90s. At least microsoft just sought to dominate the market and didnt attempt to go suing its competition into the ground. Anybody of sound economic mind sees nothing good coming out of these rediculous lawsuits. Samsung is the center off apples imperialistic crosshairs only because Samsung is the only android manufacturer that can compete with Apple. If HTC was where Samsung is then Apple would no doubt go after them. I will vote with my dollar and not buy Apple products. But there will always be isheep out there who will pay for an overpriced product just to have an iproduct.

My guess is that this will all end in a massive antitrust smackdown of Apple. When the devil overplays his hand there is always hell to pay.
Imagine Apple thinking they have a patent on the rectangular phone with rounded corners. Motorola was making phones lile that 25 years ago. Pathetic.
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mitchellvii said:
My guess is that this will all end in a massive antitrust smackdown of Apple. When the devil overplays his hand there is always hell to pay.
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In USA it won't. It is American company, they won't do that to their own against company from the other side of the ocean.
In Europe though it's more likely, but Apple doesn't have monopoly, so maybe not.

Magnesus said:
In USA it won't. It is American company, they won't do that to their own against company from the other side of the ocean.
In Europe though it's more likely, but Apple doesn't have monopoly, so maybe not.
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Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean people aren't watching you.

Mister_Mxyzptlk said:
Sunday, September 2, 2012
Note 10.1 Owners & XDA Members:
First, let me introduce myself. My name is Ed and I am the owner of a small networking and integration firm in Louisville, KY. While I am extremely proficient in my profession, my interest in mobile devices is a personal one and really more of a hobby. The number of times I've been corrected by Entropy512 will confirm that.
Anyway, enough about me. What I was wanting to know is, am I the only one who feels like Apple is monitoring my spending habits and basing their lawsuits on them? I mean seriously... the only Samsung device I own that has yet to be added to an Apple complaint is my absolutely gorgeous Tab 7.7 (GT-P6810) and it's 7.7" 1280x800 Super AMOLED Plus awesomeness! My other devices include the original Galaxy Note (GT-N7000), a Galaxy S III (GT-I9300), and a Galaxy Note 10.1 (GT-N8013) that I literally just bought yesterday!! Now today I read that Apple has added all but one of my devices to their most recent complaint. I would really like to own a device without having to worry about whether or not it was going to lose features. Am I the only one who feels this way?
Thanks,
Ed
Sent from my GT-N8013 using XDA Premium HD app
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We are in The Matrix. Everything we do is being monitored.

toenail_flicker said:
We are in The Matrix. Everything we do is being monitored.
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You dont actually exist. You are just a virus i got responding to a Nigerian bank scam email
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toenail_flicker said:
We are in The Matrix. Everything we do is being monitored.
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And the real joke is on everyone who owns an iPad, iPhone and gets their music/apps via iTunes or the app store. Bruce Willis know... www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showb...-Apple-over-music-rights-after-his-death.html
Welcome to iWorld, new iPad mini and iPhone 5 owners!

BarryH_GEG said:
This is a great article.
Apple Worked A Broken Patent System
Apple used a dysfunctional U.S. patent system to gain excessive control over technologies it did not invent. If you value innovation, don't cheer Samsung's punishment.
Charles Babcock Editor At Large, InformationWeek
http://www.informationweek.com/mobility/smart-phones/apple-worked-a-broken-patent-system/240006568
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great article, i think these lines paint a pretty real picture of apple
"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank to right this wrong. I'm going to destroy Android because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go to thermonuclear war on this," Steve Jobs told his biographer, Walter Isaacson (Steve Jobs, page 512).
No wonder Apple and Samsung couldn't reach a settlement. This case is a rough replay of Apple suing Microsoft many years ago when Apple believed it was owner of the graphical user interface. In that case, it was well documented that both Steve Jobs and an Apple design team had visited Xerox PARC to see the first mouse-driven, graphical user interface available, then adopted its elements for the Macintosh. That case didn't get very far.
i LOLd hearing of how that first apple case didnt get very far

No matter what patent apple has for its products, I still believe that "general" technology is not suitable to be patented.
If technology is being patented generally, then, there would be no further invention.
And same thing goes for design.
If a product has been copied exactly the same, without any improvement at all, and you just put your own branding, then yes, I would agree that one is a violation to the copyright / patent. But if a copy has been improved with a lot of enhancement, I don't think it would be considered as a violation also.
I just couldn't believe a giant company like Apple would do such things, and forget that technology doesn't belong to 1 company only.
If Samsung has never started with its first Galaxy S (which according to apple is "copying" its iPhone), there won't be any improvement / invention so called as Phablet (N7000). No further invention like what we see at the N8000 as well, with its pop up play, real multitask with a multiscreen support, and no need to talk about tablet with smart-pen. Has apple done such improvement ? Other than its SIRI, which I believe before apple came out with it, others have known about this SIRI as well. Its so called as "Retina" display also come from where ?
Apple, you have grown up, but yet still act like a child ! Compete with your own innovation, let the consumer choose the technology, and let technology keep on improving !

BarryH_GEG said:
This is a great article.
Apple Worked A Broken Patent System
Apple used a dysfunctional U.S. patent system to gain excessive control over technologies it did not invent. If you value innovation, don't cheer Samsung's punishment.
Charles Babcock Editor At Large, InformationWeek
http://www.informationweek.com/mobility/smart-phones/apple-worked-a-broken-patent-system/240006568
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Great article. Loved reading the comments section on it also. I'm really sick of Apple. The flawed patent system will be overhauled and many of apple patents will retracted as they should've never been issued in the first place.
I'm very interested in how the Motorola case against apple goes and this Samsung appeal.
I wonder how apple is feeling about MS jumping into the table game. If the surface does retail for the rumored $199, apple will have a heart attack..lol. apple is a household name BUT they aren't bigger than MICROSOFT. THEY don't have reach like MS does. It might take a collaboration of MS and Android to take down apple.

All I can say to Apple is you live by the sword you die by the sword.
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I had to jump in on this conversation with one question. What ever happened to the original develops of the GUI? I think it was Xerox. Why didn't they sue someone (Apple or Microsoft or both) for patent infringement back in the 80's? It might be a different world today if Xerox entered the PC market with its own interface.

They tried to years after the fact. The courts told them no dice.
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mitchellvii said:
All I can say to Apple is you live by the sword you die by the sword.
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how very true, anyone read the aticle about how Apple may be levied import bans against the newest iphone due to it's LTE system infringing on HTC's patents
parry, Riposte!