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very newb....

id first like to start out by introduciing myself....im ben and im pretty sure your going to be seeing me post alot of threads/replies on this site....i should be expecting my wing in tomorrow or the next day and i was curious as to what you guys think should be my way of rom/theme....i seen the must know newb guide but i seen that its a little old....didnt know if i should just follow those instructions to flash my rom or maybe someone has a little better advice? any help would be much appreciated....just to let you know i just upgraded from a horrible horrible sidekick lx.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=387345
I just posted an answer to basically the same question in the above forum. You have to read, read, and then when you think you got it read some more. I read the directions and the forums about the ROMs for about 8 months before I hard-SPL'd and flashed my phone.
I'm not trying to be a hard ass but the posts like this and the twenty like it make it even harder to find your answers.
It will come, just have patience and remember.... there is always a chance you will end up with an expensive paperweight.

pseudoproto said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=387345
I just posted an answer to basically the same question in the above forum. You have to read, read, and then when you think you got it read some more. I read the directions and the forums about the ROMs for about 8 months before I hard-SPL'd and flashed my phone.
I'm not trying to be a hard ass but the posts like this and the twenty like it make it even harder to find your answers.
It will come, just have patience and remember.... there is always a chance you will end up with an expensive paperweight.
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was it worth flashing the phone as far as that goes? as ive been doing more and more researching it seems to me this phone gets slower and slower...i had that problem with my sidekick and i kind of want to steer clear of that....

It was to some extent, I can use the camera without soft resetting every time.
You'll find that out quickly.
The more you have running the slower it responds, just like your desktop.
You just gotta find what works for you. I got a 4gig microSD (rumor is it will handle an 8gig) I have a lot of music on my phone. I can listen and play a game or check mail or surf at the same time without low memory warnings.
the stock has too much going and it never really closes out.
The custom ROMs usually have reg. tweaks to improve performance and make it all just run so much smoother.

another new Wing user here
Do I have to Hard SPL the wing before flashing different ROM?
I checked SPL in bootloader, and it's above 4.0
From what I read, it doesn't seem like hard SPL is required. The uspl process should work just as well
I also wonder if I should unlock my SIM first before flashing, or it doesn't matter

animefans said:
another new Wing user here
Do I have to Hard SPL the wing before flashing different ROM?
I checked SPL in bootloader, and it's above 4.0
From what I read, it doesn't seem like hard SPL is required. The uspl process should work just as well
I also wonder if I should unlock my SIM first before flashing, or it doesn't matter
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Hard SPL will give you more options. Most ROMs require hard SPL.
The USPL is only used at the cooks discretion. There are only a few that make ROMs with that option.
For the ones that do, you end up with the same thing using either method.
SIM doesn't really matter.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=358225
Follow this thread to Hard SPL your phone. A wiser man than I wrote this.

yo i had my wing for about a week, i went straight flash to open touch 4 within 5 minutes of owning it... i didnt do the hardspl.. so you dont need it..
I think for a newb, your gonna have a lot of questions and be confused about the roms.. I know i still have that doubt in my head "what if i try that one, or this one, which one is the best? wow that looks dope should i do it?" Im still playing with the phone, realizing alot of stuff on it i probably wont use..
but im curious if id benefit besides unlocking the phone.. Its kinda cool to have that title that your phone is unlocked.. but i just signed a 2 year contract so i doubt id be pulling the sim out unless im in one of those rare times when a friends phone dies and he wants to use mine lol

I agree with pseudoproto; try not to post if it is not constructive or a serious problem, which you did not manage to solve after extensive searching and reading. This is nothing personal, but just to prevent the forums from clogging up or (eventually) moderators killing your post.
There are about a dozen ROM's which have been released the past two weeks and tons of ROM's in the previous weeks. You may ask if flashing your device with a cooked ROM is the best thing to do, but this entirely depends on your personal flavour.
I suggest you wait till you have received your Wing. Try using it on it's stock ROM for a week en then decide it you would like to have the risk ending up with a expensive paperweight.
When you decide to use a cooked ROM make a selection of the ROM's which seem to be interesting. One of the most experienced cooks in this forum is ITje.
Make sure you have read all the forum posts about the selected ROM and its predecessors.
As a Touch-It adept I know for certain you will need to Hard-SPL your device before you flash the Touch-IT versions 6 and 7. Because these two ROM's are based on the P4350 edition you might have some small conversion problems.....but again read all the posts and you will know for sure.
I recommend using the Touch-IT V7.1 Public Beta, although it needs some more fine-tuning which is already in progress; this because of the extensive knowledge base in the posts and its predecessors.
Each problem you will find has been found before, each bump you wil hit has been hit before so you will not be forced to reinvent the wheel all over again. Search and read and about 99.9% of your problems will besolved.
Good luck!

pseudoproto:
how do I know if a cooked ROM require Hard SPL?
I have to admit, I only looked at Open Touch 3 and 4 thread, so I assume all cooked ROM can do either uspl or hard SPL
Guess I just learn something new
hypertek:
Thanks for the feedback. I guess it makes me feel a bit better now knowing what you did.
One reason I look at Open Touch is that it seems to be the most "compatible" with Wing
Once I learn more about cook ROM/etc, I might try others
While TMobile stock is "good enough", there's a few thing that I see "missing"
- No Profile (think HTC home has basic profiling option)
- No "easy" way to get to comm manager without using stylus (ie easily turn on/off wifi/BT)
- memory hog, both storage and program. Think any cook ROM will fix this
Of course, there's the "fun" factor tweaking your new gadget
Think I will head over to Open Touch Discussion thread and start asking questions

animefans said:
pseudoproto:
how do I know if a cooked ROM require Hard SPL?
I have to admit, I only looked at Open Touch 3 and 4 thread, so I assume all cooked ROM can do either uspl or hard SPL
Guess I just learn something new
hypertek:
Thanks for the feedback. I guess it makes me feel a bit better now knowing what you did.
One reason I look at Open Touch is that it seems to be the most "compatible" with Wing
Once I learn more about cook ROM/etc, I might try others
...........
Think I will head over to Open Touch Discussion thread and start asking questions
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To be perfectly honest I tried the Open Touch first because I didn't have to Hard-SPL. I read through the thread before just to get the answers your looking for now. The reason I decided to Hard-SPL is the options...Most ROM threads will tell you within the first three posts if they need Hard-SPL or not.
Some seem to flash a little differently anyway, For instance, The Open Touch 4.1 micro flashes off the microSD card but the other flavors flash with AS4.5 and you can do it with Hard-SPL or USPL. Other ROMs are ONLY Hard-SPL.
ITje, Aserg, ivanmmj, and TTran all make very nice ROMS and all have their merits. jappo01 likes Touch-it (nice ROM) but I went back to Open Touch. I bet we could argue ROMs all night.
If you do go to the Open Touch discussion READ, so many questions have already been asked most of yours might be already answered.
Of course, there's the "fun" factor tweaking your new gadget
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You just summed up why XDA even exists!

You are looking at another Open Touch 3.0 biggy user here
It is really simple (at least for Open Touch 3.0 biggy) to flash
- get the flasher
- get the rom rar file
- unrar the rom file into the right place
- launch flasher
- press some buttons when asked to do so
- done
Only used it for less than 10 hrs, but it seems like this drain battery more than stock TMo ROM
Opera 4 mini on stock TMo ROM is decent
Opera 4 mini on Open Touch is fast!
I also get one thing I missed: hard button for vibrate! It comes in handy when i need to silent my phone during meeting
Time for Open Touch 3.0 reading

well i just got in my wing today....i was very impressed at first until i started trying to browse the web....m.youtube.com got me my first memory critically low warning....it sucks and im wondering if theres anything i could do temporarily to stop from getting that while im at work til i get home?
animefans said:
You are looking at another Open Touch 3.0 biggy user here
It is really simple (at least for Open Touch 3.0 biggy) to flash
- get the flasher
- get the rom rar file
- unrar the rom file into the right place
- launch flasher
- press some buttons when asked to do so
- done
Only used it for less than 10 hrs, but it seems like this drain battery more than stock TMo ROM
Opera 4 mini on stock TMo ROM is decent
Opera 4 mini on Open Touch is fast!
I also get one thing I missed: hard button for vibrate! It comes in handy when i need to silent my phone during meeting
Time for Open Touch 3.0 reading
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I'll say it again...
Read the forums. Search the forums. Then read some more.​Read like you're back in school. I've had my wing for 6 months and I haven't flashed or even considered a hard spl. I have 24mb of program ram on the stock rom. I did it by reading, trying, and doing a few hard resets... I'll probably cook my own rom before I flash. There's a ton of information out there, and it's WAY too much to keep typing over and over again. That's why God created Google! Besides, it's much more fun if you customize your phone my yourself.

New to everything regarding PDA and XDA (looking for noob friends ;) )

Hi all,
Yeeeah, so the Leo was finally announced at the major/best 3G network in Denmark, the worldwide operator "3". And thats awesome, so of course I hit my wallet and cashed out and got the phone yesterday. Brilliant.
Got the phone in my hand, my god, its beautiful and all, its my first PDA phone so I'm very noobish and overwhelmed by everything, but I'm lovin' it so far! Okay, well I started looking around on the big www and came across this fantastic site and now I'm thinking, I wanna get involved with this shizzle and start cooking - or at least start looking at the menu!!
But I realize that I don't know anything about how to do all this, so started looking around in the Leo Wiki, Tips and Tricks sticky and so on but I feel that its all very comprehensive and I simply don't know where to start, and I don't think the (otherwise awesome) guides are as extensive as could, at least not for my understanding. I haven't come across a newb forum/thread where all the very, very basics are introduced/discussed, so I'm thinking: any noobs out there? or post-noobs? who wanna share some of their mighty wisdom and experience with me? (yeah, I want some Leo-friends)
Okay, so I found a few things I wanna try:
From Leo hints and tricks sticky:
7. Get the old Task Manager Back
To be able to really close programs using the X instead of just 'minimizing' the program and leaving it in memory,
install Duttys HTC Task Manager (attached below), restart and the X is back. Also in Settings you can configure its function.
8. Add Task Manager to Home Screen Quick Links
Copy the hidden TaskMgr.exe file from your Windows folder to your Start Menu/Programs folder. Now it's possible to place a shortcut on your Manila today and you can open/close running programs with ease.
So how do I install this dutty cab? I mean I downloaded it, but where do I unpack it, and how do I run it on my phone?
Okay, next thing:
The location on "my today" is wrong, I saw in the tips and tricks that a lot of users had issues with this, but how can that be? There isn't any way to fix it, cause mine is showing that i'm about 15 clicks away from where I really am, but the navigator works fine? :S
3rd thing:
My network only provided me with a 2gb sdhc card, so if I want to tuck in a 16gb baby how will it work because the OS is stored on the sdhc card, or is it only in the ROM?
Another thing, I see the ROM upgrade from the danish HTC website is newer than the one installed on my phone, but do you think that I should upgrade to the 1.6 which is leaked here, or should I start with the HTC official rom from the website?
WARNING: some danish might appear when clicking here (this is the danish HTC ROM link, look at bottom of page)
I have about a zillion other questions, but my mind is empty right now. I really hope that I'm not out of line when posting this topic, and I hope to hear from some friendly HTC lovers Please let me know if this topic is not appropriate and I'll edit/delete it. (yes I did read the RULES)
Kind Regards

Welcome and Hello
I`ll take 5 minutes to write a reply seeing as no one else can be bothered.....
Welcome to the forum, you`ll find all you need here, My advise would be to READ READ READ , and if you have any questions SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH, you`ll get flamed if you post something thats been posted before, even though if you do post, it moves from the first 2 pages so fast hence no answers......
16gb sd card will work fine,
Read carefully the goldcard method for updating ROMS and only if you feel confident enough would i recomend it...I`ve flashed 1.61 no issues....
Richie

same as i am......i am currently waiting for my beast and been reading and reading and reading this forum all this while........but the problem is.....i am a really3 noobie person on IT....some topic that were discuss here i can understand but some of have no idea at alll...hehehheh hopefully can get some knowledge from u guys.......[please forgive my english...heheheh]

Hi WildL,
I understand the noob feelings. Although this site has a wealth of information, it's not the noob friendliest place.
.cab files are like .exe files for your pc. You don't unpack it anywhere, simply copy/download to your device and run (click on it through file manager) it from where ever you saved it. It will unpack itself and install. Your only option generally is to install directly onto your device or onto your SD card.
Not sure on the location thing as I haven't experienced it.
For your SD card, there is nothing on there you have to worry about. The ROM is stored on the device and the card is simply additional storage. Feel free to shove a new one in there.
As for changing ROMs. As a noob, stick to stock updates for now. You're on the newest device with all the newest features so custom roms won't offer much except little tweaks (but the phone is fast enough already) and additional apps you can just install yourself. Some MAY be more stable but current it's not worth the risk of bricking your device. Read read read and when you feel comfortable and think your ready, then start looking into cooked roms.
Good luck!

WildL said:
7. Get the old Task Manager Back
To be able to really close programs using the X instead of just 'minimizing' the program and leaving it in memory,
install Duttys HTC Task Manager (attached below), restart and the X is back. Also in Settings you can configure its function.
8. Add Task Manager to Home Screen Quick Links
Copy the hidden TaskMgr.exe file from your Windows folder to your Start Menu/Programs folder. Now it's possible to place a shortcut on your Manila today and you can open/close running programs with ease.[/I]
So how do I install this dutty cab? I mean I downloaded it, but where do I unpack it, and how do I run it on my phone?
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I'd recommend you use this instead...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=584415
It means you have the X which you can configure to close apps or minimize them (you can open settings for it by tapping it on the sense ui and going to the wrench). You can also list open apps from the sense ui by clicking it and simply switch to or close anything in the list. Have a play - it's the best all-round solution.
WildL said:
Okay, next thing:
The location on "my today" is wrong, I saw in the tips and tricks that a lot of users had issues with this, but how can that be? There isn't any way to fix it, cause mine is showing that i'm about 15 clicks away from where I really am, but the navigator works fine? :S
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At least your location works! lol
It uses your provider's network to get your location - not GPS. It's always going to be within a mile or 2. Since it's only meant for general info, it doesn't really matter much. I doubt the weather 2 miles down the road is much different than it is where you are
WildL said:
3rd thing:
My network only provided me with a 2gb sdhc card, so if I want to tuck in a 16gb baby how will it work because the OS is stored on the sdhc card, or is it only in the ROM?
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The SD card is purely for storage. You can take it out and the phone will still function properly. This obviously changes if you install software on the card. Unfortunately, the HD2 has a pitiful amount of internal storage memory, so I'd actually recommend using the card to install stuff on. With this in mind, I got myself a 16GB SD card and use that, treating it as if I'll never remove it. I'd obviously recommend this, cos it's what I do
WildL said:
Another thing, I see the ROM upgrade from the danish HTC website is newer than the one installed on my phone, but do you think that I should upgrade to the 1.6 which is leaked here, or should I start with the HTC official rom from the website?
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If your phone is pretty new and you've not done much setting up, it's probably the best time to make sure you've got the most up-to-date ROM. If you got the phone from a provider then you can officially only upgrade using ROMs that they supply. If you got it completely SIM free, then you can use the HTC ones that are out there. The current new one (1.61) is actually an official HTC one, so it will be as risk free as flashing a ROM can ever be. It's just not officially released yet. (I believe HTC "leak" their ROMs so that this community can beta test for them, before they release to the general public, but that's just my belief )
Since the phone is still so new though, I don't really think that it makes much difference. The ROM upgrades seem to be doing so little at the minute that you may well not notice any benefits.
Either way, if it's official, you've at least got some comeback if it bricks your new phone!
Basically, this is just a preference. Do what you think feels right. Just bear in mind that a ROM flash means a hard reset, which means setting EVERYTHING up again, from scratch.
WildL said:
I have about a zillion other questions, but my mind is empty right now. I really hope that I'm not out of line when posting this topic, and I hope to hear from some friendly HTC lovers Please let me know if this topic is not appropriate and I'll edit/delete it. (yes I did read the RULES)
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Well you're in the best place to ask your zillion other questions. This is the right place to ask this kind of question, and I'm sure that there'll be plenty of people to follow me in welcoming you here. I've been a member of this community for just over 18 months now, and it's been great. There's a lot of good people on here who are more than happy to show off their knowledge er... I mean be helpful! lol
Have fun with your new toy

I'm new to this

well I'm to this l and i was just wondering a couple things like what is a ROM and how do i get the new windows mobile 7 theme stright on my htc hd2 or how do i get the games for my ps1 games stright on my phone without hooking it up to a computer .

Play station info:
I went into the Apps part of this forum and searched for PSX
I would suggest you read the sticky threads at the top of each section on this forum it will tell you lots.
Good luck

curtismeulen said:
well I'm to this l and i was just wondering a couple things like what is a ROM and how do i get the new windows mobile 7 theme stright on my htc hd2 or how do i get the games for my ps1 games stright on my phone without hooking it up to a computer .
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How about using the search function, looking at the stickys and using Google to find the answers to your questions? It gets a bit redundant replying to the same questions from lazy people that cannot be bothered to invest some time into the forum.

If you don't want to answer the question then perhaps you should save your time even more and not reply? I'm no stranger to forums, but I do find this one particularly hard to follow/read/search.
From what I understand of how search engines work (for example Google's pagerank system) the search results would be dramatically improved if people posted links to relevant pages. This would also be a much better use of time than repeatedly having a go at new visitors for not searching. The more places that point to the answers, the easier it is to find them.
Some people are also happy to reply, because they know the answer straight away and it will take 60 seconds to reply. I don't see that it hurts to ask, in the hope that it will avoid 30 minutes of searching, which of course, is probably going on at the same time. If you are looking for something, do you not ask around whist you look yourself?
Anyway, more constructively back to the original question... @curtismeulen
Basically the ROM is the operating system that your phone runs on. You can install apps on to your phone (which mostly come in .CAB files) and most ROM come with a load of apps preinstalled.
HTC make the standard ROM for the HD2, but also phone companies (O2, T-mobile, etc) make slightly customised versions for the phones they sell themselves, - for e.g. adding/removing particular apps, or a special startup screen or background image, etc. If you have one of these kind of ROMs then you can't install the HTC one without running special programs.
The third kind of ROMs are 'custom ROMs' made by experts who want to always have the cutting edge software, have the phoen set up exactly as they prefer and to improve on what HTC do. Again special programs are required to install these, and always when you install a new ROM there's the risk of something going wrong and your phone not working any more.
Here's some links to useful info:
The HD2/Leo page on this sites wiki:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Leo
a list of ROMs for the HD2 (though it's not quite up to date):
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Leo/ROMs
Stuff about installing different ROMs:
Changing "official ROMs" from one to another: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=591314
Installing any ROM you like: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=606713
Personally I use this ROM:
Artemis HD2 ROM Family Ver 15.5: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=612580
The instructions there are also quite useful to give you an idea of the differences between ROMs, etc.

mpaxton said:
If you don't want to answer the question then perhaps you should save your time even more and not reply? I'm no stranger to forums, but I do find this one particularly hard to follow/read/search.
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Don't be obtuse, the stickys tell you everything you need to know with regards to ROMs and ROM flashing. Google search 'ps1 emulator for windows mobile' and FPSEce and a number of other emulators are listed in the first link.
It probably took him longer to register to ask the question than it would have done to research it for himself.

I dont undertstand why people get so offensive, i thought forums like these were made to help people with questions, even noobs?

nirvanafreak919 said:
I dont undertstand why people get so offensive, i thought forums like these were made to help people with questions, even noobs?
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Actually, this forum is call xda "DEVELOPERS".... name clearly means it's full of developers.... not really a place for newbies. There are plenty of help forums out there. This forum is for the advanced user who wants to learn to hack and help develop. I didn't even post for the first year or 2 that I was a member... not until I felt comfortable with my knowledge. I used other help forums that are meant for newbie questions and just watched and learned from this forum.

Help form
For friendly site try htchd2forum.com They are great, but as stated, this is dev site, theirs is help site, big difference,, good luck

mpaxton said:
Anyway, more constructively back to the original question... @curtismeulen
Basically the ROM is the operating system that your phone runs on. You can install apps on to your phone (which mostly come in .CAB files) and most ROM come with a load of apps preinstalled.
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Actually ROM is Read Only Memory
It has come to be used as short form for the coded OS that is used in the ROM and that specifically is the "ROM image" of the OS in use.
So any cooked (or otherwise) "ROM" we are talking about is not the same as the "ROM" within the device.

...and even though it's called read only memory, it can still be written to, otherwise we'd not be able to install different kinds of operating system, etc. So to me it's an arbitrary set of letters used to describe something that's vaguely relevant to the original usage of them!

mpaxton said:
...and even though it's called read only memory, it can still be written to, otherwise we'd not be able to install different kinds of operating system, etc. So to me it's an arbitrary set of letters used to describe something that's vaguely relevant to the original usage of them!
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You don't install anything to the ROM.
ROMs are flashable, which is different to installing things to. OSs are flashed, not installed, to devices.
The internal memory part of the device is different to the ROM, it is an 'open' writable section. It may well be on the same memory chip, but is different in terms of usage available to it.

mpaxton said:
...and even though it's called read only memory, it can still be written to, otherwise we'd not be able to install different kinds of operating system, etc. So to me it's an arbitrary set of letters used to describe something that's vaguely relevant to the original usage of them!
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And as a follow on from rp-x1 and also as a quick history lesson to you "youngsters" the correct term is actually "EPROM" chips (Electronically Programmable Read Only Memory) and when they were first used you couldn't write to them unless you had the appropriate equipment and that included UV "fixing ovens"!!!!!!
So, it's not an arbitrary set of letters, but, more a corruption of a very precise acronym which is now used in completely the wrong way.

Please help this beginner.

Hello guys ,
I bought new HTC HD2 today. I am using symbian all my life and switched to Windows mobile now . I am slowly trying to adopt to it.
I dont understand terms like "Rom" , " Custom Roms" , "Rom update" , .I see them every where ...
Can a hard core WM user help me understand what these terms mean .
Thanks
Davie

First of all a ROM is what the phone runs ie, WM (windows mobile 6.5, 6.5.x)
custom ROM is something a chef on here or other various sites, has taken the ROM and made it better the way they like it and made it available for everyone else to use,
ROM updates are usually put out by the networks for stock ROM's i.e. what came on the phone first, have a read in the ROM section thread to get more knowledge.
and this is a very helpful thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=609477
oh and please just use a normal font it will still be answered lol

Like you I came from a symbian device to an HD2 (about 6 months ago) and the only way to get to grips with it is just by reading through the forums endlessly, the best place to start is the wiki and the sticky threads in the various forums. It might be hard to find what your looking for sometimes but trust me anything you'll ever need to know is on here somewhere.
I think you'll be glad you made the switch.........
Happy reading

Demon_man said:
First of all a ROM is what the phone runs ie, WM (windows mobile 6.5, 6.5.x)
custom ROM is something a chef on here or other various sites, has taken the ROM and made it better the way they like it and made it available for everyone else to use,
ROM updates are usually put out by the networks for stock ROM's i.e. what came on the phone first, have a read in the ROM section thread to get more knowledge.
and this is a very helpful thread
oh and please just use a normal font it will still be answered lol
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Thank u for the quicker response !!! I think its prety much like installing another OS everytime I switch to a new Rom . Pls correct if I am wrong.
Also I believe Stock Rom is what I get with the phone itself when I buy and is it possible for me to switch back to the stock rom from a custom rom. And will i be able to install a stock rom update on the custom rom .
thank u

you can still enjoy a lot your device without paying too much attention to these terms. just play around with it and install apps that you like. there are lots of apps here and in other websites. some of them for free. one of my these websites is www.freewarepocketpc.net. just make sure that the apps you install have the same resolution as your device, i.e. wvga. and as suggested, browse through the forums and you'll learn a lot.
welcome to the wm world!

conantroutman said:
Like you I came from a symbian device to an HD2 (about 6 months ago) and the only way to get to grips with it is just by reading through the forums endlessly, the best place to start is the wiki and the sticky threads in the various forums. It might be hard to find what your looking for sometimes but trust me anything you'll ever need to know is on here somewhere.
I think you'll be glad you made the switch.........
Happy reading
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Thanks for ur advise. I will do that .. Its kinda completly looks alien to me but still impressive than the boring symbian ****.

daviefl86 said:
Thank u for the quicker response !!! I think its prety much like installing another OS everytime I switch to a new Rom . Pls correct if I am wrong.
Also I believe Stock Rom is what I get with the phone itself when I buy and is it possible for me to switch back to the stock rom from a custom rom. And will i be able to install a stock rom update on the custom rom .
thank u
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You basically have 2 flavours, 6.5 which more than likely came as standard (Stock) where the start button is on the top left, and 6.5.x where the start button is on the bottom left where most of the custom ROM's are 6.5.x (not all though). yes you can put a stock ROM back on after custom ROM but you wont lol its that simple you will prob just flash (install a new ROM) to something else like the rest of us, the stock ROM updates are not needed on custom ROM's as there all upto date, and the chefs's(the people who create them) are often updating them.
as joshzzz2001 said you can use that website for all your free apps its a very good site and there is also a mobile app, so you can browse on your cell,
All i will say though is if you do Flash make sure you have read through and understand it all, once you have read it and wanna ask a question to double check people are good enough to help but its the people that dont read and fully understand that will screw up, once you have read its a piece of cake.

I know what you mean, it all seems hellishly complicated if your not used to it. Like the guy above said just start installing things and getting to grips with the basics, if theres one thing I would advise its that you reguarly backup your settings/data.
Get microsoft myphone from the marketplace, there are other more in depth backup apps out there but myphone will do the basics. Its quite likely that once you get hooked on tweaking your phone (and you will) that you might have to hard reset (factory reset). I've lost count of how many times I've had to do this. Mainly due to my own lack of knowledge
Its worth it though.... lol
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Forgot to mention this, Cookies Home Tab.
Absolutely fantastic app for customising your home screen, a must have for any HD2 if you ask me, well worth looking into!
Download here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=625483
Good youtube vid of it in action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9LoBv8D76Y&feature=related

conantroutman said:
I know what you mean, it all seems hellishly complicated if your not used to it. Like the guy above said just start installing things and getting to grips with the basics, if theres one thing I would advise its that you reguarly backup your settings/data.
Get microsoft myphone from the marketplace, there are other more in depth backup apps out there but myphone will do the basics. Its quite likely that once you get hooked on tweaking your phone (and you will) that you might have to hard reset (factory reset). I've lost count of how many times I've had to do this. Mainly due to my own lack of knowledge
Its worth it though.... lol
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+1 for myphone only good thing to come from MS

conantroutman said:
I know what you mean, it all seems hellishly complicated if your not used to it. Like the guy above said just start installing things and getting to grips with the basics, if theres one thing I would advise its that you reguarly backup your settings/data.
Get microsoft myphone from the marketplace, there are other more in depth backup apps out there but myphone will do the basics. Its quite likely that once you get hooked on tweaking your phone (and you will) that you might have to hard reset (factory reset). I've lost count of how many times I've had to do this. Mainly due to my own lack of knowledge
Its worth it though.... lol
Edit;
Forgot to mention this, Cookies Home Tab.
Absolutely fantastic app for customising your home screen, a must have for any HD2 if you ask me, well worth looking into!
Download here
Good youtube vid of it in action
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This app is really cool . .. I love it ... Thanks for the info...

Can u tell me where I can get more apps like that ....thanks

My phone is carrier (T-Mobile) locked. Will I still be able to install custom roms ..
Thanks

like what lol? cookies home tab will let you change near enough the whole of the main screen, in the themes and apps section you can get different clocks, wallpapers, etc, you just have to have a look around this leo section mate, may take you a few days to figure it all out but its a great forum and loads of stuff on here, to do anything, if you look through this thread you can see what can be done
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=582619
do you have the 1024MB ROM?? use this thread = http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=653614
if you have 512MB use this thread = http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=609477
if you not sure, slide the slider all the way to the end and scroll down to the bottom and click on about phone then hardware information, and look at flash size that is the ROM size then start reading either thread

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like what lol? cookies home tab will let you change near enough the whole of the main screen, in the themes and apps section you can get different clocks, wallpapers, etc, you just have to have a look around this leo section mate, may take you a few days to figure it all out but its a great forum and loads of stuff on here, to do anything, if you look through this thread you can see what can be done
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thank u .. will check out ... This forum is great .. can get help in minutes ...
Thank u again ...

I have been trying to figure out what is HSPL , SPL ,SSPL and OSPL
What is the differnce
Could u help me with that ...
Thanks

this is where you will get me lol, right hspl is hard sspl is soft, i think and dont quote me but hspl is only needed once its needed for custom roms, you need hspl or sspl to be able to install a custom tom, what you have to do though is work out which model you have i edited my post look up, once you no thar there is 2 links you will need 1 of them and then it will near enough talk you straight through.
ok just realised the 2 links above i posted if you look at post number 2 in either of them it explains hspl and sspl

u r help ful my friend ...Thank u ..

if your on t mobile in the uk i'd reccomend the rom update thats available on the htc site (if your gonna stick with the stock rom) Its a lot less buggy. If your in the US then ignore this!

conantroutman said:
if your on t mobile in the uk i'd reccomend the rom update thats available on the htc site (if your gonna stick with the stock rom) Its a lot less buggy. If your in the US then ignore this!
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All the us version T-mobile devices have 1024MB roms.
SPL (secondry program loader aka the boot loader) is basically the bios of the phone. The SSPL is the soft secondry program loader and the OSPL is the original secondry program loader (ie the stock spl). HSPL is the hard (or hacked) secondry program loader and this is required to install custom roms. There are 2 versions of this (hspl and hspl2) the second is applicable to all devices including tmous devices and is recommended. if you want to use hspl, use the same hspl version as your ospl. The ospl/hspl can be upgraded but i havent done this. There is also another application that may interest to you and that is customruu. This allows you to update the radio firmware for your device to a newer version. This has advantages such as better effiency for the GSM, wifi and bluetooth chips thus extending the battery life.
Most of the cooked roms out there are based on the tmous (T-mobile US) 2.10 and above roms. These are WM 6.5.3 and 6.5.5 based and feature better finger support. They also feature seveal fixes including an updated camera driver to fix the camera flash over exposure problem.
I, personally, prefer to stay with the stock roms and tweak them as i don't take many night photos and speed for me is the main thing. You can do this by runnning through the 2 tweaks sticky threads and with the help of phm registry editor. On the speed front there are (for me atleast) a couplel programs that are must haves. These are, netrippers LCS and chainfires 3D gfx driver. Combined with the performance tweaks these eliminate the lag of the stock UI and go as far as making it very fluid and responsive.
I hope this helps
M3PH

there are three hspl versions, not two.
the tmous (t mobile usa hd2, the one with 1024 rom) has its own variant of hspl2, usually referred to as hspl1024.
you said you were on t mobile but not which tmo. is very important to distinguish between tmous and all the others. if it IS a tmous then you need to be really sure about the pitfalls before you flash.if you have a normal hd2 (512 flash size in settings about phone hardware info) then things couldn't be simpler. hspl 2 then any rom you like.
is handy to have your country flag and carrier logo on in your profile, as that can usually tell us which phone you likely have.

[Q] Anyone in Pittsburgh, PA?

I am a newbie to this forum. I have had my HD2 for a year. I'm on my third phone and I hate Tmobile. However, since I can't do anything about changing my phone for awhile, I decided to actually try to learn about it.
1. I'm illiterate to software, hardware, etc.
2. It seems like you need to be an engineer to understand all this stuff
3. I'm trying, writing notes, looking up definitions, etc.
4. I'm struggling
Anyways I was wondering if any of you people were in my area of Pittsburgh? I would love to meet up and discuss phone stuff and improve my literacy and ability. I'm slowly getting better, but alas, I'm still an idiot....
Thank You Friends

man....i wish i was in PA.....

vtownlove said:
I am a newbie to this forum. I have had my HD2 for a year. I'm on my third phone and I hate Tmobile. However, since I can't do anything about changing my phone for awhile, I decided to actually try to learn about it.
1. I'm illiterate to software, hardware, etc.
2. It seems like you need to be an engineer to understand all this stuff
3. I'm trying, writing notes, looking up definitions, etc.
4. I'm struggling
Anyways I was wondering if any of you people were in my area of Pittsburgh? I would love to meet up and discuss phone stuff and improve my literacy and ability. I'm slowly getting better, but alas, I'm still an idiot....
Thank You Friends
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Best advice I can give you is just keep reading.....
Even if you dont understand what your reading, read it anyway....*
Things will start to come together sooner or later. Sure it all seems confusing at first but trust me, it does all start to make sense.
Try reading the stickie threads first, the wikis contain good info too.
If theres something in particular your having trouble with then dont be afraid to ask over in the Q&A section...... try searching first though
Theres usually somebody around who'll be able to help.
Remember to try and include as much information as possible in your question though, helps to provide a more clear and concise answer.
Oh yeah..... welcome to XDA
*I stole that advice from samsamuel... (credit where credits due)

Thank you I will try to look first, but sometimes I don't even know what the heck I'm looking for!
Point in case: I can't figure out how to tether my phone with my computer?
Downloaded and have app working
Computer doesn't recognize it
No idea how to work around this
Just an example...if i can't do this I can't imagining partitioning an SD card to run android and windows 6.5....

Hmm the tethering is not an area Im too sure about, from what I've heard, a lot of the American networks require you to pay to be able to use tethering. Its available by default on my phone so I've never had to worry about it.
I would imagine that flashing a custom ROM would allow you to tether just by connecting to your computer.
As for android, if you want to run WM and Android from your SD card then theres no need to partition the card.
You just download the ROM you want.
It will be in a .zip file when you open that theres a folder called "Android".
You place that on your SD card.
Click one of the files inside. (clrcad.exe)
Then click another (haret.exe) and your off........
All the SD card android builds contained instructions in the thread how to get it running.
Like I said before, It may all seem very confusing at first but as long as you read up on what you want to do first, you'll be fine.
One thing I think is important to mention though, as your bound to have the US version of the HD2 (green and red call and hangup buttons).....
NEVER NEVER NEVER flash a radio with .51. in the name of it......
Even if you dont know what that means right now. Keep it in mind. Its the most common cause of people "bricking" their phones. 99% of problems can be fixed so dont worry but that will kill your phone instantly.
If you get to the point where you need to flash a radio, remember to check if its a good one.
Happy reading