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Hi guys,
After checking all the reviews, discussions and spent quite some hours in the store playing it, I can definitely feel the new era of tablet is coming. The 7" display is perfect for reading and the weight is not a burden for single hand holding. But the thing is I already have a i9000 (Galaxy S vibrant from Bell Canada using on Fido) with 6GB of mobile data. I am currently debating if I should jump in the TAB bandwagon now... Can someone share some thoughts on the following:
1. What's the future of Galaxy tab? I've been reading quite a lot of online articles and lots critics are saying the current android versions are yet to be ready to be served as "tablet" OS. What do you guys think?! I am pretty sure tab will get 2.3 in early next year but will it be getting 3.0 as well (official, not by XDA-gods)?
2. Like I mentioned, I already have a i9000 with me all the time, I really do not think it will be good idea to swap the sim card between teo devices all the times. I believe many of you here have a nice smartphone (android/iphone/BB...) with data plan. Tell me, how do you manage two "smart" devices with one sim card so you do not pay data twice!?
3. To be honest, I do not see myself talking with a 7" tab upside down. I know there're bluetooth solutions (hand free), but any other thoughts?! I saw someone's review on the SE liveview, but I personally think this device is yet to be matured but the device got very good potential in the future if they keep developing it. Did anyone try to pair bluetooth hand free+liveview+tab all three at the same time? So when liveview vibrates I can quickly answer the call with bluetooth handfree...
4. Are you happy with your wifi only tab?! I will be traveling to US soon, where can I get a good price on wifi only tab other than ebay?! If I cannot manage two devices with one sim card, I think a wifi tab is not a bad choice... worst comes worst, I will use mobile AP on my i9000 to share data with tab.
Thanks for your sharing, any comments will be greatly appreciated.
cheers!
To answer question 2 I set up my mobile as a wifi hotspot and connect with my tab.
In the new year there will be a load of new tabs on the market, perhaps its wise to hold off until then.
The galaxy tab will be in the sales by then anyway
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ymlccc said:
Hi guys,
1. What's the future of Galaxy tab? I've been reading quite a lot of online articles and lots critics are saying the current android versions are yet to be ready to be served as "tablet" OS. What do you guys think?! I am pretty sure tab will get 2.3 in early next year but will it be getting 3.0 as well (official, not by XDA-gods)?
Does it really matter if it gets 2.3 or 3.0? You should always buy a device for what it does NOW, not what it could do. And the Tab does a whole helluva lot right now, today, with 2.2. Anything else would be gravy.
That said, it'll get 2.3 at the very least.
2. Like I mentioned, I already have a i9000 with me all the time, I really do not think it will be good idea to swap the sim card between teo devices all the times. I believe many of you here have a nice smartphone (android/iphone/BB...) with data plan. Tell me, how do you manage two "smart" devices with one sim card so you do not pay data twice!?
You know, I have a Galaxy S as well, been using one since July, best smartphone I've ever owned, love it.
But you what else? Since I picked up the Tab 3.5 weeks ago, I barely use the SGS for anything besides voice calling, and glancing at the weather.
Since I might use something like 30 voice minutes a YEAR, I'm seriously contemplating saying goodbye to the SGS, sticking that voice-data (and free US data roaming) SIM in my Tab and dropping the tablet data-only/Canada-only plan .
3. To be honest, I do not see myself talking with a 7" tab upside down. I know there're bluetooth solutions (hand free), but any other thoughts?! I saw someone's review on the SE liveview, but I personally think this device is yet to be matured but the device got very good potential in the future if they keep developing it. Did anyone try to pair bluetooth hand free+liveview+tab all three at the same time? So when liveview vibrates I can quickly answer the call with bluetooth handfree...
You can get vibrating bluetooth earpieces.
4. Are you happy with your wifi only tab?! I will be traveling to US soon, where can I get a good price on wifi only tab other than ebay?! If I cannot manage two devices with one sim card, I think a wifi tab is not a bad choice... worst comes worst, I will use mobile AP on my i9000 to share data with tab.
There is no such thing as a WiFi-only Tab right now, probably won't be for at least another month, and if/when it is released you'll have to hack it for Market support, guaranteed.
Also, don't count on using that mobile AP for longer than about an hour before the i9000 is drained.
Prices will come down a bit on the 3G versions of the Tab, but not a lot. The price drops in the UK were simply adjustments to bring them more in-line with US pricing, not as a panic or market correction.
I'd always recommend paying the price premium for the 3G version over the mythical WiFi-only version because doing so means you don't have to wait, you can enjoy your Tab immediately, and you have more options. Use it without a SIM and it becomes a WiFi-only device at that point, with the option to use 3G if the need arises.
Keep in mind that nobody besides Samsung has any idea what price point the WiFi-only version will come in at, if it is actually released. How can it be much cheaper than the 3G version? A 3G radio and antenna array costs only a few dollars...not hundreds. Even Apple, just about the worst gougers ever in the electronics world, only charge a $75-100 premium for the 3G version.
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roy8846 said:
To answer question 2 I set up my mobile as a wifi hotspot and connect with my tab.
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I am having major problems trying to do this, and keeping my Tab will depend on me figuring out why my mobile wifi hotspot phone works with regular computers but not my Tab
Been ready to throw the Tab off a cliff because it makes no sense when it has WEP connectivity but can't see my phone's WEP hotspot.
Suleeto said:
I am having major problems trying to do this, and keeping my Tab will depend on me figuring out why my mobile wifi hotspot phone works with regular computers but not my Tab
Been ready to throw the Tab off a cliff because it makes no sense when it has WEP connectivity but can't see my phone's WEP hotspot.
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The Galaxy Tab does not detect my HD2 router, I tested several softwares of the Android Market, but none connected, someone were finding the access point, but none was connecting. That is the worst!
We need a hack or something to do this work.
But my HD2 connects with the Galaxy Tab wifi router!
The galaxy tab does not see adhoc networks. You would have to use a mobile ap. Hope this helps.
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The galaxy tab does not see adhoc networks. You would have to use a mobile ap. Hope this helps.
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This is true, however some phones can create real infrastructure wifi networks like the Nexus One.
I was planning on waiting till the wifi version of the tab came out to get it and just tethering it to my phone but I ended up picking up the sprint version and I have to say that I'm glad I did. I'm paying the 30 a month for data but for me it's worthwhile. I know that better tablets will come out but I'm OK with getting a new tablet in another 1-2 years.
I have a galaxy s and the first days I used the tethering option to conect via wifi and worked perfectly.
Now what I do is different. I purchased a double line sim, wich lets you use your sim card in two different devices at the same time including the data plan.
My carrier is Orange in Spain but I suppose all carriers have this option because more and more cars are being sold with stereos that let you insert you sim.
About the future of the tab, its sure its going to be upgraded to gingerbread and to be honest I don't need anything with more power, for the use I give it its perfect and will be for some time.
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Well I've had mine for 2 months now and I can unequivocally say go for it.
The device in my opinion works best with a data-only pay as you go plan.
The tab is pretty rubbish as a phone (I find using wired or bt headsets just makes me look like a loonier and generally uncomfortable considering its size), but as an independent 3g/ edge device it saves my phone battery and gives me the option of having a connection even deep in the Russian countryside.
Agps is also important if you drive a lot using navigation, and it wont be available with the wiring only version.
Re usability - with a few simple tweaks I now have a device that runs silky smooth. No less so than my sisters ipad. My browser doesn't lag. My battery lasts 2 days with light use. My email client downloads and opens all attachments and my video player plays almost every file I throw at it. My device is dlna enabled and my initial distrust of the size has turned to a point of pride.
As I've said before, with android, there really is no spoon. It is the finest mobile tablet experience for the road. For home use you should really consider a 10+ inch, windows 7 slate.
Considering the nature of android apps, the only benefits you will see from holding off and buying a tegra 2 powered tablet that's due out in the next few months are higher benchmark scores and lower prices.
In terms of overall build quality, samsungs commitment to updates (there are already TENS OF FIRMWARE versions available) and general awesomeness, I would say tab.
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Forgive my ignorance but what is a "mobile ap" and can it be done on my WM (Tilt 2/Rhodium) phone so I can get a data connection from the phone to the Tab?
Yeah I got the tab within a week of its release in my country and yes it cost a bomb but its worth every penny paid for it! I simply love the size and portability of the tab and the fact that I can have an almost desktop level experience on it!
I love the fact that I can browse the web in full, watch videos embedded in sites, YouTube, javascripts, downloads work great, I can stream music or watch movies or read books or manga or comics, take it out for navigation while driving...the full web experience on the go! The yiuchscreen works like a smooth dream, overall device build quality is awesome...i can check all emails and other stuff...What can be better....
Sure Gingerbread may or may not improve the experience but as it stands now Froyo works like a dream on the tab...the idiot Google spokesperson who commented that Froyp was not optimized for tablets need to be kicked for shooting of his mouth!
For me the Tab is the best device till date - the power of a PC in a compact form factor...I rarely use my PC or netbook or laptops or other mobile devices nowadays...when I need to do something on the net, I reach for the tab!
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Go for it, it's worth every penny you spend on it
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I think Google very much queered the pitch for devices like the Tab when they said that Android was not optimized for tablets.
An example can be found here, where it says:
According to Barra, Android market apps "just wouldn't run" on a tablet-oriented platform, as Froyo was simply "not designed for that form factor."
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Really? I must say that I've not found an app yet that doesn't run on the Tab, though I'm sure they do exist. However, this is no different to any Android phone - there are apps that will run on some phones but not on others, even though they have the same Android version.
This comment is the real deal though:
"We want to make sure that we're going to create a application distribution mechanism for the Android market, to ensure our users have [the] right experience," he added.
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There's no formal "section" in the Android Market for Tablet apps, making it hard to find tablet specific versions - this is true!
However, everyone has picked up on the "not optimized" comment and it gets rolled out all the time by people who basically have never used the Tab in anger.
To be honest though, I think that you can consider the Galaxy Tab running Froyo akin to the iPad running iOS 3.2 - the iPad became a much improved device when iOS 4.2, but was still perfectly fine on iOS 3.2. We should see the same with Gingerbread/Honeycomb.
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Thanks guys for the support, yes, I am unboxing my tab right now and darn, I am pretty happy for it (now). But I do use my SGS quite a lot (20 min+ talk) so I need a better management between the phone and tab. I think I am a bit greedy and wish I have data eveywhere and on all my devices.
I personaly think the mobile OS evolves faster than what I can imagine and seriously after the house, car, and then soon kids, a device that will only last 6 to 8 months with further upgrade to me is waste of money. For $650CND+tax, I hope it could last me minimum a yea...
Action plan:
1. Get it unlocked and rooted.
2. Flash it to Euro+Bell modem (mine is Rogers)
3. Find a nice case (no profolio) with kickstand (any recommendations?)
I also think Mobile AP will drain way too much joice from the battery even though I have two spare batteries but it will be not so conveinent in the long run...
ymlccc said:
I think I am a bit greedy and wish I have data eveywhere and on all my devices. ..
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Lol...welcome to the club...I have a second sim from Vodafone with an unlimited data and voice plan, under the corporate plan and the service provider keeps on cribbing am not using the voice plan...
I have found the battery to last longer by reducing the screen brightness between 15-20%...
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The Atrix to me is one of the first steps of a mobile computing topic my buddies and I have been debating for about 3 years now. That the phone will become the center of basic personal computing and, if so, how. The laptop and desktop "docks" for the Atrix are early steps in the direction of those arguing the phone will become the central device with simple docks.
This wouldn't replace a hard core gamer's monster system or a CAD workstation. However most people I know use their computer for just 5 things:
1) Internet (browsing and email).
2) Documents (word processing, spreadsheet, and simple photo editing).
3) Multi-media (listening to music and watching videos).
4) Hard copy (print and scan).
5) Simple games (solitaire, sudoku, etc).Really, that is it!
I lean toward the dock being more powerful and providing the extra horsepower needed for what we know think of as "desktop level performance and graphics" when docked. But really for the 5 tasks listed above I think Atrix class hardware might be able to run those applications already (giving points to those who side with the simple dock solution, sigh).
What do you think?
I agree I long dreamed of such a situation. small dock with extra storage and processing power. mobile phone as a sort of key. pop it in, full desktop OS. take it out. full mobile phone.
kinda exactly like the atrix. but more refined.
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The laptop and desktop "docks" for the Atrix are early steps in the direction of those arguing the phone will become the central device with simple docks.
What do you think?
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I'd have to agree. Even if I don't get the Atrix I am so happy that Motorola came out with the webtop application for the docks. This will push the smartphone industry upward and other manufacturers will have to follow suit with the smartphone becoming the central and only communication device for almost everything.
The laptop dock looks sexy as hell. I loved the macbook air's design but couldn't get myself to buy an overpriced mac with an extra "apple tax" attached to it. The Atrix laptop dock is even thinner and so beautiful its crazy. I'm really hoping that it's priced low ($150 - 200) in order to get people to want to buy the Atrix.
The only thing that I'm not sure of yet is the HDMI mirroring. I know they have a regular dock for the TV but I'm not sure if the phone has actual mirroring. If its not then the emulator gaming gets screwed up and I'll have to pass on this phone
Either way I can't wait to have a phone as my only device for everything. Pure heaven is coming
The Atrix looks cool, dual processor, etc.. But "docks" are a thing of the past, in my opinion. I just want the phone to seamlessly integrate with the cloud. As a matter of fact, I'd just assume when you bought a phone, the only cable you got was an AC adapter, no USB, nothing.
Motorolla locked bootloader coupled with AT&T bloat just makes this phone more of the same.
I've been very disappointed with recent cell phone offerings and that the unlocked/unsubsidized super phone isn't really taking off, and partly thats because we are still supporting the Atrix/G2/etc of the world that are locked down. Again, all nice hardware but "fastboot oem unlock" and unsubsidized is the way to go. Thats why I'm hoping a AT&T Nexus S is released even though I don't care for Samsung and the phone isnt much of an upgrade, I plan on voting with my dollars and not buying something a carrier has mangled..
Yes.
The question is will it be smartphones or tablets?
Many will still opt for the power and versatility of a full option desktop. Simply too far ahead in the power curve and it takes too many gens to shrink that power for portable use. (For now anyways)
Eventually BT/Dlna or perhaps a new wireless method will be available that simply placing your device on a *home* base will initiate the usage as opposed to physical wires. But again we're not just there yet.
Atrix is a huge step towards this and agree with the OP.
Main issue of course will be OS compatibility getting a TV / input methods / monitor /mass storage/ and ideally home controls to communicate seamlessly is proving impossible as every hardware maker wants to use proprietary methods.
Android maintaining momentum is key as Apples approach will always be restricting and MS will never get there heads out of there butts long enough to make something significant happen.
I seriously hope Atrix doesn't price users out of its features. I likely wont get one but I truly want to see it succeed just for this purpose.
I mentioned this in the EVO forum but this is something that excites me. The Atrix is a first step but its still too rough for me to enjoy. What I really want is a integrated experience. I.e. plug in to a TV and Google TV kicks in, plug it into a monitor and a Chrome-esque OS or Android like desktop experience kicks in, or if you plug it into a touch screen the tablet version of Android kicks in. Right now you'll get a probably horrible/crude Linux build to start up. Maybe some enterprising devs will get a better more satisfying distro on the Atrix but I'd still want that integrated experience over that.
This might stir up some folks here but I'd bet good money that Apple (iOS/Apple TV/the iOS-fication of OSX), Microsoft (WP7/Media Center/ARM based Windows 8), or even HP/Palm will do it first. Personally I'd probably opt for a Windows or Apple solution just because of the better professional apps (Adobe CS, etc.) that'll probably be available early on.
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I'm pretty excited about the Atrix personally, but there's one thing that keeps spinning around in my head. I love the little laptop dock, extremely cool. And it uses the phone for everything and it's connection obviously. Then I got to thinking, will AT&T consider this tethering? Quite obviously to us, this isn't tethering at all. BUT!!! I wouldn't put it past AT&T at all to pull this kind of stunt. That would be the one buzzkill for me for this phone. Leave it to them to change the language and say that when you dock, it will consume more bandwidth and therefor be tethering.
AbsoluteDesignz said:
I agree I long dreamed of such a situation. small dock with extra storage and processing power. mobile phone as a sort of key. pop it in, full desktop OS. take it out. full mobile phone.
kinda exactly like the atrix. but more refined.
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I had a dream and vision once; around 10yrs ago; moto atrix is the closest so far... waiting for the release and first person experience...
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I've been very disappointed with recent cell phone offerings and that the unlocked/unsubsidized super phone isn't really taking off, and partly thats because we are still supporting the Atrix/G2/etc of the world that are locked down. Again, all nice hardware but "fastboot oem unlock" and unsubsidized is the way to go.
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Agree 100% with that. Now what if the next Nexus phone is an Atrix type device from Motorola? Now *that* would be a worthy replacement for my N1.
Someone has to take the first steps and with my limited knowledge of the mobile market this appears to be the first step. I agree it lacks refinement but that what technology comes out of the shoot already polished. It takes multiple iterations of real world testing to work out the kinks. People end up doing things the original designers never dreamed of.
I also hope that the Atrix is just the beginning and the concept catches on. My hacker side doesn't want a locked down device. Again my thought is this is just the first step in an evolution of the phone. I think it will be the phone versus the tablet because so many people want something pocketable. IMO the tablet won't be the center because it is just too big.
Only time will tell. Anyway it is pretty exciting.
Actually now that I think about I think I would much rather have a bigger 4.3' screen android phone that I could pair with my foldable bluetooth keyboard as well as HDMI mirroring capabilities to play emulators with a bluetooth wiimote.
Not that the laptop dock isn't sexy as hell, but I'd rather just be able to pair an HID bluetooth keyboard with my bigger screen phone to use as my all in one device...
Now if the Atrix can pair with a HID bluetooth keyboard, has wiimote support, and HDMI mirroring then sweet! but if it's missing any of these 3 things then perhaps the Droid Bionic or LG Optimus 2x???
Is it bad that this phone sexually arouses me? I just hope that this is functional on rogers frequencies because I know other bell phones have before... I don't even expect rogers supposed lte network to work with it as long as the 3g works I'm gravy...
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crachel said:
... "docks" are a thing of the past, in my opinion. I just want the phone to seamlessly integrate with the cloud. As a matter of fact, I'd just assume when you bought a phone, the only cable you got was an AC adapter, no USB, nothing.
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I couldn't disagree more! "Integrated with the cloud" is a nice-to-have, but what I'd really want is for my phone to integrate with my own way of working. If that means having access to gobs of local storage in addition to (or even instead of) Google's online services, that should be my choice. An optional dock is a perfect companion for me, especially if I would be given a choice of operating system the phone would run when connected to one. Imagine if the next generation super phone ran a flavor of Linux when connected to a dock. We can already run Ubuntu on our Nexus Ones, so this isn't much of a stretch at all. The next wave of dual-core phones should have no trouble at all running a full desktop OS, with all bells and whistles.
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Motorolla locked bootloader coupled with AT&T bloat just makes this phone more of the same.
I've been very disappointed with recent cell phone offerings and that the unlocked/unsubsidized super phone isn't really taking off, and partly thats because we are still supporting the Atrix/G2/etc of the world that are locked down. Again, all nice hardware but "fastboot oem unlock" and unsubsidized is the way to go. Thats why I'm hoping a AT&T Nexus S is released even though I don't care for Samsung and the phone isnt much of an upgrade, I plan on voting with my dollars and not buying something a carrier has mangled..
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This I can totally agree with. I paid full price for both my HTC Dream and Nexus One (unlocked and off-contract) and don't regret it for a second. If Nexus S wasn't so "last year" in terms of specs, I'd be all over it. I am currently waiting for a true "next gen" phone like Moto's Atrix to be released as a reference developer phone before I give up my N1.
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This wouldn't replace a hard core gamer's monster system or a CAD workstation.
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Give it a few more quarters and Moore's Law will take care of that. Already Tegra 2 equipped phones can run better games than my 2-year-old desktop machine that was considered top of the line when I put it together.
My provider is using the AWS band. As soon as one of these is available in this band, I'll probably get one.
This is the exact thing I need: 1 device does (nearly) all!
Just got my demo test unit from motorola today FINALLY after weeks of waiting. Anyways I am testing out some applications that we will use in house but my biggest thing is I would like to use a mouse on it.
We have an application thats a lot of quick point and clicks and the employees / doctors would perfer a mouse. I myself could care less as I think its fine without.
I got a microsoft BT mouse synced but it wont connect. It shows it as an input device too.
Any ideas on this?
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Just got my demo test unit from motorola today FINALLY after weeks of waiting. Anyways I am testing out some applications that we will use in house but my biggest thing is I would like to use a mouse on it.
We have an application thats a lot of quick point and clicks and the employees / doctors would perfer a mouse. I myself could care less as I think its fine without.
I got a microsoft BT mouse synced but it wont connect. It shows it as an input device too.
Any ideas on this?
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Yes, return your Xoom and get an actual PC. The ASUS Slate 12" Tablet sounds like exactly what you need/want.
That would work great, but its bigger/heavier and were focusing on the internal lte when its available. Since some employees are on the go and what not wireless isnt always around. Ontop of deploying wireless thoughtout a 200,000 sq building would cost alost more then the $20/month data we get.
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That would work great, but its bigger/heavier and were focusing on the internal lte when its available. Since some employees are on the go and what not wireless isnt always around. Ontop of deploying wireless thoughtout a 200,000 sq building would cost alost more then the $20/month data we get.
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By the time your employees get done unpacking all of the necessary **** they will need to set up and use a "tablet" with their keyboard and mouse... they might as well be using a laptop or netbook.
As for covering 200,000 SQ of building with wifi you might want to check out the D-Link DES-1228P which is a 24 port PoE web smart switch that will run the DWL-3140AP. It's a small hockey puck sized AP which can be placed anywhere in your building in conjuction with the POE switch. All you need to do is toss CAT5 and you're done. You will get seamless coverage from AP to AP as the switch hands off the client.
The switch is about $400 or less, and the AP "pucks" are about $99 ea.
You could cover tons of building for $1k out of pocket
I'm not just trying to rain on your parade, in all seriousness... I just have to shake my head and ask why someone would want so badly to turn a tablet experience back into a traditional PC experience. Just get a PC.
PS: It would probably be cheaper still to just pick up a MiFi unit or something like that, then you don't have to depend on LTE inside the device.
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PS: It would probably be cheaper still to just pick up a MiFi unit or something like that, then you don't have to depend on LTE inside the device.
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mifi is $50 a month... where 3g/lte is $20 a month . I understand what your saying but being mulitpile floors and a cisco house ap's wont be cheap. I would need at least 12 or 13 ap's for decent covereage. Our building is like a bomb shelter here so wireless doesnt travel that well. The Ap's we use are roughly $600. Have plently of space on my cisco switch to handle them so thats covered. 3g doesnt cover in the building but 4g covers the entire building and does it well.
+ injectors , cable, labor its a $10,000 project. Not including the tablet PC which you can figure 3-5k depending on what I go with. Which isnt bad but. Im looking at $1200 a year for service on 5 tablets. + or - $3000 for 5 devices. Then I dont have to worry about if there is wireless when there out of our building. I really just think overall its easier and less stuff to deal with.
Anyways back on topic has anyone been able to get a BT mouse working on a xoom or any other android tablet for that matter
All other cost and etc. points aside, there just isn't mouse/cursor support for 3.0, and I'm assuming were a good long way out, if ever, from seeing it implemented in a way you can rely on daily in a job.
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All other cost and etc. points aside, there just isn't mouse/cursor support for 3.0, and I'm assuming were a good long way out, if ever, from seeing it implemented in a way you can rely on daily in a job.
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Ya thats what I was kinda thinking but was confused since it did see that it was an input device.
Thanks for the input
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By the time your employees get done unpacking all of the necessary **** they will need to set up and use a "tablet" with their keyboard and mouse... they might as well be using a laptop or netbook.
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I disagree here. There are times when I think I really want to use a Mouse. It's not 100% of the time to categorizing it the way you are doing it is not really fair. 80% of the time I don't need or want a mouse or keyboard but the other 20% I want the flexibility to do with the tablet what I want to do with it so it fits MY needs. A netbook is not what I want.
Guys, can we stop replying to threads by just telling people what they want is a bad idea?
I think being able to use a mouse would be awesome. If you have a mouse, you can VPN into your home PC (or use Citrix) and use real software on the occasions you need it. Everyone says "get a real PC" but I'd only want a real PC like 1% of the time, and the rest of the time I want a tablet. That 1% may not be a lot, but the more utility I get out of it, the better.
That said, I'm sure this will be a possibility soon. CyanogenMod on the Nexus One (and likely others) supports using a bluetooth mouse. A cursor shows up and everything works great.
So... whenever Honeycomb goes AOSP (which is taking a looooong time), we'll probably see customized versions of Honeycomb with mouse support.
So it will probably happen. It just may be a while.
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Guys, can we stop replying to threads by just telling people what they want is a bad idea?
I think being able to use a mouse would be awesome. If you have a mouse, you can VPN into your home PC (or use Citrix) and use real software on the occasions you need it. Everyone says "get a real PC" but I'd only want a real PC like 1% of the time, and the rest of the time I want a tablet. That 1% may not be a lot, but the more utility I get out of it, the better.
That said, I'm sure this will be a possibility soon. CyanogenMod on the Nexus One (and likely others) supports using a bluetooth mouse. A cursor shows up and everything works great.
So... whenever Honeycomb goes AOSP (which is taking a looooong time), we'll probably see customized versions of Honeycomb with mouse support.
So it will probably happen. It just may be a while.
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I didn't say it was a bad idea, I said it's not going to happen anytime soon.
And the example you give unfortunately really isn't going to help him. Do you expect him to buy multiple Xooms, root them all, install custom software or a completely custom ROM on all of them to enable BT mouse support, then hand them to the employees? That's just not gonna happen lol.
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By the time your employees get done unpacking all of the necessary **** they will need to set up and use a "tablet" with their keyboard and mouse... they might as well be using a laptop or netbook....
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You mean... a tablet, a bluetooth mouse, and a bluetooth keyboard?
Show me a touchscreen netbook that can be used while you're walking as well as it works on a table. A tablet + KB + Mouse means you can walk around with the tablet and use it in your hands, or you can place it on your desk and use it like a PC if you'd like. I had a netbook and it actually wasn't very good for either of those - I'd still get a BT mouse if I needed to use one, and they're impossible to use while walking around.
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As for covering 200,000 SQ of building with wifi you might want to check out the D-Link DES-1228P which is a 24 port PoE web smart switch that will run the DWL-3140AP. It's a small hockey puck sized AP which can be placed anywhere in your building in conjuction with the POE switch. All you need to do is toss CAT5 and you're done. You will get seamless coverage from AP to AP as the switch hands off the client.
The switch is about $400 or less, and the AP "pucks" are about $99 ea.
You could cover tons of building for $1k out of pocket
I'm not just trying to rain on your parade, in all seriousness... I just have to shake my head and ask why someone would want so badly to turn a tablet experience back into a traditional PC experience. Just get a PC.
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Labor man, Labor. Sounds like this is a hospital. Concrete walls, lots of metal. You'd have to route an AP to every corner of the building. Thats a lot of work. However, I don't see how 4G would penetrate any better in most hospitals, so maybe its more like a doctor's office. Still, covering a 200k sf building with working wifi costs way more than $1k.
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I didn't say it was a bad idea, I said it's not going to happen anytime soon.
And the example you give unfortunately really isn't going to help him. Do you expect him to buy multiple Xooms, root them all, install custom software or a completely custom ROM on all of them to enable BT mouse support, then hand them to the employees? That's just not gonna happen lol.
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Depends. Installing custom roms takes maybe an hour max if you're used to it. If they are designing this software to be used in Doctor's offices, its possible that they are getting paid a lot for it. Pay a tech $20 an hour to install a ROM, charge $20 more for the end product, done. Or don't charge extra, its still only $20.
I work for a company that is considering replacing our custom touchscreen industrial testers with Xooms. In that case, we'd buy a xoom, install some software, and resell them for $2000 plus whatever bluetooth sensors our customers buy. Really we're just selling Xoom software for $1200, but its all the same. If we had to install a custom ROM it would still be worth it. Besides, it can probably all be done with a script (i'm not sure of that though).
-Taylor
Dell makes a cheap laptop that the screen turns around and it becomes a tablet. Just an idea...not saying you have to go this route.
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Depends. Installing custom roms takes maybe an hour max if you're used to it. If they are designing this software to be used in Doctor's offices, its possible that they are getting paid a lot for it. Pay a tech $20 an hour to install a ROM, charge $20 more for the end product, done. Or don't charge extra, its still only $20.
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Its not that its labor intensive to root and install custom software on the Xooms, its that no matter what people say, a rooted phone (tablet) with custom ROM is never going to be as stable or user friendly as the stock software when it comes to handing it to a person who doesn't know what they're doing.
We're talking about having to install completely custom software in order to use a mouse. I think there are easier ways to accomplish this. Maybe I'm crazy.
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Guys, can we stop replying to threads by just telling people what they want is a bad idea?
I think being able to use a mouse would be awesome. If you have a mouse, you can VPN into your home PC (or use Citrix) and use real software on the occasions you need it. Everyone says "get a real PC" but I'd only want a real PC like 1% of the time, and the rest of the time I want a tablet. That 1% may not be a lot, but the more utility I get out of it, the better.
That said, I'm sure this will be a possibility soon. CyanogenMod on the Nexus One (and likely others) supports using a bluetooth mouse. A cursor shows up and everything works great.
So... whenever Honeycomb goes AOSP (which is taking a looooong time), we'll probably see customized versions of Honeycomb with mouse support.
So it will probably happen. It just may be a while.
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You're right. Settle for a stylus.
I have a dell streak when I had Steve's 1.1.1 Rom I did sync a magic mouse and had pointer and everything, I was running ADW Launcher by then.. perhaps is a Launcher thing? I also have a BT keyboard with a built in "mouse joystick" and when I sync the kb I am able to use the "pointer mouse" but it just doesn't show as a pointer on the screen, but when swype is up i can click and drag the mouse and see the line traces. Again this is running Froyo 2.2.
I saw mouse used on Notion Ink Adam without any problem. But that wasn't on Honeycomb. I need mouse for precise work through VPN (I plan to use tablet on notes stand on my piano to manage music sequencer through VPN). If honeycomb doesn't have a mouse cursor my plans are ruined.
Is capacitive stylus precise enough to - let's say - select something 8 pixels wide and 8 pixels high?
Facegarden said:
Guys, can we stop replying to threads by just telling people what they want is a bad idea?
I think being able to use a mouse would be awesome. If you have a mouse, you can VPN into your home PC (or use Citrix) and use real software on the occasions you need it. Everyone says "get a real PC" but I'd only want a real PC like 1% of the time, and the rest of the time I want a tablet. That 1% may not be a lot, but the more utility I get out of it, the better.
That said, I'm sure this will be a possibility soon. CyanogenMod on the Nexus One (and likely others) supports using a bluetooth mouse. A cursor shows up and everything works great.
So... whenever Honeycomb goes AOSP (which is taking a looooong time), we'll probably see customized versions of Honeycomb with mouse support.
So it will probably happen. It just may be a while.
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Thats good to hear. Now if I can get cyanogenMod on my thunderbolt that would be even better news
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You mean... a tablet, a bluetooth mouse, and a bluetooth keyboard?
Show me a touchscreen netbook that can be used while you're walking as well as it works on a table. A tablet + KB + Mouse means you can walk around with the tablet and use it in your hands, or you can place it on your desk and use it like a PC if you'd like. I had a netbook and it actually wasn't very good for either of those - I'd still get a BT mouse if I needed to use one, and they're impossible to use while walking around.
Labor man, Labor. Sounds like this is a hospital. Concrete walls, lots of metal. You'd have to route an AP to every corner of the building. Thats a lot of work. However, I don't see how 4G would penetrate any better in most hospitals, so maybe its more like a doctor's office. Still, covering a 200k sf building with working wifi costs way more than $1k.
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ding ding ding But I dont know why but 4 g covers the entire hospital very very well. There are 1 or 2 dead spots but it covers 98% of the area, which is why I was looking at a tablet in the 1st place.
Ok I have STFA and I did find the method to wi-fi tether (and was able to WI-FI tether my G2xand the wife's SGs4g to the TF101) . Still I am looking for a way to tether my phone to the TF101 via USB. Wi-fi is ok, but it chews battery, and I just dont feel its as secure either. I noticed that I can connect my G2x to the TF101 via USB and it will see the external SD card, but it will not see the internal storage of the phone and under the settings tab the USB tether option is greyed out and cannot be activated.
Since I am still kinda a noob to Android devices I need to lean on those that have a much better knowledge than myself on subjects like this.
Do any of you know if it is possible (or can be made possible) to find and install drivers that would allow USB tethering between Android devices? I have an LG G2x (P-999) the wife has a Samsung Galaxy S 4g and both phones (running Froyo) and the TF101 are rooted -- the only one with a custom ROM is the transformer (Prime 1.5 Honeycomb) the phones are strictly rooted and deodexed (so far, not to say that won't change in the future)
Any help on this subject would be greatly appreciated and thanks in advance for any insight into this dilemma.
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Ok I have STFA and I did find the method to wi-fi tether (and was able to WI-FI tether my G2xand the wife's SGs4g to the TF101) . Still I am looking for a way to tether my phone to the TF101 via USB. Wi-fi is ok, but it chews battery, and I just dont feel its as secure either. I noticed that I can connect my G2x to the TF101 via USB and it will see the external SD card, but it will not see the internal storage of the phone and under the settings tab the USB tether option is greyed out and cannot be activated.
Since I am still kinda a noob to Android devices I need to lean on those that have a much better knowledge than myself on subjects like this.
Do any of you know if it is possible (or can be made possible) to find and install drivers that would allow USB tethering between Android devices? I have an LG G2x (P-999) the wife has a Samsung Galaxy S 4g and both phones (running Froyo) and the TF101 are rooted -- the only one with a custom ROM is the transformer (Prime 1.5 Honeycomb) the phones are strictly rooted and deodexed (so far, not to say that won't change in the future)
Any help on this subject would be greatly appreciated and thanks in advance for any insight into this dilemma.
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Welcome Crockashat,
Why do you want to tether via USB? It kind of defeats portability doesn't it? Just asking...
FYI, Just today XDA-Dev Transformer added a Q&A section where your post may get better attention.
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Welcome Crockashat,
Why do you want to tether via USB? It kind of defeats portability doesn't it? Just asking...
FYI, Just today XDA-Dev Transformer added a Q&A section where your post may get better attention.
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Because hes probably using the dock with the Transformer and he doesn't see a reason why not to "USB tether" it?
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Because hes probably using the dock with the Transformer and he doesn't see a reason why not to "USB tether" it?
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Really? To a phone? I don't get it...
You can't expect Windows level driver support with Android. I don;t think you can find proper drivers for it yet.
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Really? To a phone? I don't get it...
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Before Wi-Fi tethering, people used USB. Even now some may prefer it because wi-fi tethering kills the phone battery very quickly. Little over a year ago (before I got my Galaxy S) even I used to tether my old Nokia over USB to my notebook when travelling because of battery issues.
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You can't expect Windows level driver support with Android. I don;t think you can find proper drivers for it yet.
Before Wi-Fi tethering, people used USB. Even now some may prefer it because wi-fi tethering kills the phone battery very quickly. Little over a year ago (before I got my Galaxy S) even I used to tether my old Nokia over USB to my notebook when travelling because of battery issues.
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I guess I understand about the battery drain. I just can't get by the wires... Seems so yesterday... lol
Main reasons are-> battery drain, & also reliability/security
Thanks for the replys, Yes the main reason is chewing up the phones battery, and its hard to say which is more secure a wi-fi network or cell networks, but when it comes to reliable connections -- hardwiring wins hands down.
I don't know if these would be considered window's level drivers, I have read where a few have managed to use PUTTY to modify their USB cellular dongles (which are windows based devices) to be compatible with the A-TF, where I am trying to use an Android based smart phone, not sure, not my area of expertise.
I bought the transformer for my wife, but the more I have used it, the more I think I may be able to use one in place of a laptop for work most of the time. My line of work sends me into alot of noisy (EMI) areas and wi-fi connections can be kinda flaky due to the amount of similiar frequencies being brodcasted at a higher signal strength than a typical cell phone/netbook wi-fi signal being used, it does also effect cell phone signals as well but nowhere near as bad as wi-fi signals. Don't get me wrong it is nice to be able to tether over wi-fi as well, I havent done it yet but the auto-tether app where I can connect without even having to pull my phone out of pocket is something I do want.
I have to carry around too much crap already, and if I can reduce some size and weight by finding a way to get this to get the USB tethering option to work between an Android based smart phone and the Asus Transformer, it would be great.
Thinking of getting one of these as a mess-around device as it has good community support and is cheap. Are they still in production, or is it just left over stock?
I myself have an archos A70s for nearly 2 years now and it is still a good device for some things.
But it is in no way capable of the things you need now.
If you want samething cheap why not get something like "Ainol Novo 7 Elf II" and get a real dualcore device that has 1 GB of ram and comes with ICS.
You can get that for less than 100 stearling on ebay.
And the Ainol community is growing every day ( and is active atm ).
ATM there are so many cheap r3066 or 8726-mx out there that i personaly wouldn't decide for the Archos.
fzelle said:
I myself have an archos A70s for nearly 2 years now and it is still a good device for some things.
But it is in no way capable of the things you need now.
If you want samething cheap why not get something like "Ainol Novo 7 Elf II" and get a real dualcore device that has 1 GB of ram and comes with ICS.
You can get that for less than 100 stearling on ebay.
And the Ainol community is growing every day ( and is active atm ).
ATM there are so many cheap r3066 or 8726-mx out there that i personaly wouldn't decide for the Archos.
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Sounds stupid but it was either this or the Arnova range. The Arnova range has little to no dev support but this tablet does, and is available at £130 in the UK. It's just a tinkering device that I don't really have to worry about making non-functional because I have a Galaxy Tab 10.1.
Although, what draws me to the Arnova is the more powerful hardware.
Arnova and more Powerfull?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/7-Ainol-N...=UK_iPad_Tablets_eReaders&hash=item27c9cce1e3
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Arnova and more Powerfull?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/7-Ainol-N...=UK_iPad_Tablets_eReaders&hash=item27c9cce1e3
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It's not Arnova. It's Ainol.
Also, are they still being made? Do Archos provide fixes?
What tasks does it struggle with?
I just want a hacking device.
Hacking? As far as I know this device is good for development and hacking, a developer should answer your question. Anyway, if you are good developer (or developer at all) you are welcome to join the community. I dont know if the device is stil being made but the firmware support by the manufacturer is stopped as it seems.
@mr.fast:
That link was for you to compare the "Arnova is the more powerful hardware" to something that really is.
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@mr.fast:
That link was for you to compare the "Arnova is the more powerful hardware" to something that really is.
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Ok'ay, thanks...
I am still unsure if they are still being manufactured. Archos don't seem to sell them directly anymore but Carphone Warehouse in the UK have them for £150.
It's either this or an Arnova 10 G2. Is the Rockchip RK2918 more powerful than the OMAP in the Archos 101 G8?
It's just that the Arnova doesn't have any or little dev support and has more restrictive firmware.
Thanks.
Arnova users often come here and ask for help, so I think Archos community is better.
I'm selling my A101 G8 16G....
PM me for details. It has the ACC H264 codec already installed and paid for too. Nice case and HDMI cable.
sublimejosh2000 said:
PM me for details. It has the ACC H264 codec already installed and paid for too. Nice case and HDMI cable.
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Sorry, I live in the UK.
Looks like it's been removed from the Archos website.