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HERO gone nutso... (NANDROID useless?)

I'm kinda pissed, I'm running Modaco 1.1 but already had WaveSecure when I installed the rom. I tried to remove WaveSecure via App Manager and after, my phone started showing no wireless connection so I soft reset.
On restart, I had about 20 Force Closes, and still no signal. Time for Nandroid Restore right? Wrong...
Did a Nandroid Restore, and the same thing happened. Still getting Force Closes, still no wireless signal. Apps that weren't on my phone at the time of the Nandroid Backup, are still on. So what is Nandroid actually for, because I thought it was a complete copy of your phone, and would return it to the time I made the backup?
I guess my only option now is to completely wipe my phone and start over....?

So I am currently working on integrating apps2sd in to my rom (fresh rom) because users who currently have apps2sd on their phones via modaco are receiving errors during install.
I have been working with apps2sd and getting it in my rom for 8 hours now and personally I have come to dislike it. It is a wonderful amazing idea and will be great once it's supported by google or HTC.
But think of it this way... apps2sd stores all apps on your SD card. nandroid doesn't backup your sd card or do anything with it. We have all come to rely on nandroid but if you need to restore because an app you installed broke something and that app is installed on your sd... nandroid isn't going to remove it.
Something to think about before everyone starts using apps2sd...

flipzmode said:
We have all come to rely on nandroid but if you need to restore because an app you installed broke something and that app is installed on your sd... nandroid isn't going to remove it.
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I thought about this, but I thought that just because the app is installed on the SD card, doesn't mean the info to find it on the SD is on the phone.
But, if this is the problem, just make a backup of your SD at the same time as each Nandroid, and you can revert each time together.
Just realized... maybe just wipe the ext portion of the SD card, where all the app2sd is, and it will rewrite itself on reboot, just like when installed the rom? or is it the rom that writes the apps over to sd?

jirafabo said:
Just realized... maybe just wipe the ext portion of the SD card, where all the app2sd is, and it will rewrite itself on reboot, just like when installed the rom? or is it the rom that writes the apps over to sd?
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What I do is I nandroid restore to the backup I made of the stock rom, then go into the recovery, wipe the ext partition, then install what custom rom I want.

I did a clean/wipe from the recovery image, and it left the modaco rom on there. Thought this would've returned the phone to the original rom, but guess not.

Sounds like your ext2 partition got hosed. Effectively your /data/app got wiped. You need to replace them somehow. Downloading and installing the apps from the market might be worth a shot, that might save your data and stuff.

[GUIDE][07/07/11]How to Partition your SD Card

With the GingerSense ROM’s being the new hotness right now, there is a overwhelming amount of questions about partitioning. This guide is intended to help anyone that may want to partition their SD and not sure where to start. This information was gathered from The Mynions and posted several times in Myn’s Warm2p2 and Project Synergy threads. This guide was created while using Project Synergy RC1, which runs a CM script that has been modified. Come get assimilated!
Please, READ first before attempting if you are a noob, it’ll save you some gray(grey) hair. I am in no way responsible for any issues you have for following this guide, use at your own risk.
WARNING: This will erase EVERYTHING on your SD card so please transfer the contents of your SD card to a computer or external hard drive PRIOR TO starting this procedure.
1. Boot into recovery (hopefully you have amonRA v2.3)
2. Select "Partition SD Card". You will be prompted to set an amount for the SWAP, ext2 and FAT.
3. Enter zero for the SWAP size, 1024 or 2048 for ext2 and the rest for FAT*
4. After the process finishes, select "Upgrade ext2 to ext3"
5. When the process is complete, go to the wipe menu and wipe EVERYTHING in it.
6. From the main menu, select USB-MS (your phone should be connected to your PC) and copy the Synergy ROM(or your ROM of choice) to the root of your SD Card.**
7. Flash Synergy(or your ROM of choice)
8. Be patient at initial bootup because it can be quite long.
9. I recommend that your 3rd party apps be installed freshly from the market initially. They will automatically be place in the ext3 partition. You can verify it by checking to see that they are listed in the /system/sd/ folder which itself contains 3 folders: app, app-private & dalvik-cache.
After you have followed the directions to partition your card, followed by a flash of the rom and installation of your 3rd party apps & games, go to Menu-Settings-SD & phone storage and check your available internal storage space. If it is 300+, it is safe to assume that the built-in a2sd is working. Furthermore you will need a system level file manager to see the /system/sd/ folder. The Astro File Manager cannot see it.
*These sizes are only used for reference, but excellent choices. You may want to consider a swap partition, even though the stock HTC kernel does not support it. Future kernel development may take advantage of swap and doing so now can save the hassle of re-partitioning later. Food for thought.
**This guide was done while using THE Project Synergy ROM, however it should work across the board.
Hope this helps.
Special thanks to dougjamal, lowetax and all the Mynions helping out around the world (We Global!)

F.A.Q.
Q: Do I have to partition my card?
A: No. The main reason people partition is to take advantage of Apps2SD script. This allows for more internal memory and, depending on which version, control over various system settings (Ex.: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7021317&postcount=1).
Q: Do I need to format my SD Card after partition?
A: Actually, no. Will it hurt if you do? No. Creating partitions wipes the SD Card, sets up logical drives(partitions) and formats the space(or you couldn’t write to it). The time consuming part of partitioning is the Card formatting.
Q: Can I run the stock/android A2SD after partitioning?
A: No. The Apps2SD script is different from stock. Using the stock A2SD will give you problems.
Q: Can I do a nand restore after I partition?
A: No. Your SD card's file system has changed and you may experience unfavorable results.

Since there is no "thanks" on the mobile app. Nice guide.
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Do you need to do this every time you flash a rom?

Chris 2155 said:
Do you need to do this every time you flash a rom?
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No.. it's just like windows partitions.. Once they are setup you don't have to redo them. Just wipe the data and reinstall...

interloper said:
Since there is no "thanks" on the mobile app. Nice guide.
EVO4G SALVAGEMOD TIAMAT YES
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Thanks, I appreciate it.

Since the stock Kernel doesn't support Swap, after first boot, go to terminal, type Su then enter, then type a2sd check.
It will probably say swap not running at boot. It should say that the partition is present and a bunch of other things.
Next type a2sd swappy10 then enter.
Now type a2sd reswap.
If you get an error, you can run a2sd reinstall which will reboot your phone.
Go back to terminal and type Su and then a2sd reswap.
Should be good to go, but you have to run the reswap after every boot til we get custom kernels.
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Chris 2155 said:
Do you need to do this every time you flash a rom?
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As answered, no. Remember however, when you do a wipe now, include SDEXT if you don't already.

Also might want to add in there to backup your SD to your computer so you won't lose any important files, music, or backups.
And after using cm or darktremmors a2sd do not use the Android a2sd or you will have problems.

HipKat said:
Since the stock Kernel doesn't support Swap, after first boot, go to terminal, type Su then enter, then type a2sd check.
It will probably say swap not running at boot. It should say that the partition is present and a bunch of other things.
Next type a2sd swappy10 then enter.
Now type a2sd reswap.
If you get an error, you can run a2sd reinstall which will reboot your phone.
Go back to terminal and type Su and then a2sd reswap.
Should be good to go, but you have to run the reswap after every boot til we get custom kernels.
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Thanks for the added info HipKat! When we get custom kernels for GingerSense, I'm going to update the OP with swap instructions. I will use your info provided with it.

androidsupra said:
Also might want to add in there to backup your SD to your computer so you won't lose any important files, music, or backups.
And after using cm or darktremmors a2sd do not use the Android a2sd or you will have problems.
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The warning was already there, i just put it in bold to stick out. I will add the stock A2SD info to the faq.
Thanks.

If I am already running Synergy but have not done this, can I just follow the steps and reboot phone or do I need to reflash the ROM to take advantage of the benefit? And if I need to reflash, can I just wipe cache and dalvik or is a total wipe required.
Thanks for the instructions.

Dredz said:
*These sizes are only used for reference, but excellent choices. You may want to consider a swap partition, even though the stock HTC kernel does not support it. Future kernel development may take advantage of swap and doing so now can save the hassle of re-partitioning later. Food for thought.
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Damn.. i wish i would have known this last night.. I would have added this part..lol

derrickj said:
If I am already running Synergy but have not done this, can I just follow the steps and reboot phone or do I need to reflash the ROM to take advantage of the benefit? And if I need to reflash, can I just wipe cache and dalvik or is a total wipe required.
Thanks for the instructions.
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You will have to reflash the rom, this WILL erase your entire SD Card. Total wipe required for best results.

one last question... after doing this.. when installing apps from market or whatever... you don't have to run an apps2sd app??? They just automatically install to the sd card???

yznhmr said:
Damn.. i wish i would have known this last night.. I would have added this part..lol
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Well I'm running a 2GB part on the OG 8GB card w/no swap. I always wipe everything when I flash a ROM. When we get custom kernels, i will flash the ROM with at the same time. Then I will get SWAP.

Chris 2155 said:
one last question... after doing this.. when installing apps from market or whatever... you don't have to run an apps2sd app??? They just automatically install to the sd card???
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Yes, as long as the ROM you are flashing supports it.

Dredz said:
When we get custom kernels, i will flash the ROM with at the same time. Then I will get SWAP.
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Huh??

Dredz said:
Yes, as long as the ROM you are flashing supports it.
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so what if it doesn't? Do you use the apps2sd app?

yznhmr said:
Huh??
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My bag. I will flash the ROM and The kernel at the same time. Since this requires a full wipe(by my standards anyway) I will re-partition then and designate a swap size.

Restoring NANDROID Backups

Hello HD2 users,
This may seem like very basic information but got me confused so i want to share it with you. Its about restoring nandroid backups.
The Experiece:
I had the typhoon rom working very well. Its fast and smooth and i like it alot. Anyways, being a flash junkie and wanting to try out different roms all the time i wanted to try a sense 3.5 rom. It required a greater internal memory partition 200 or 245mb. I currently had 150mb.
So anyways, i made a nandroid backup in CWM and then flashed a new partition size, flashed the new sense rom and it was working. I didnt like it. I wanted the typhoon rom back. I booted into CWM and restored the backup. BUT it didnt work. The backup restored successfully but due to low internal memory, it didnt even go to the boot animation. Just stayed on the boot image.
The lesson:
To restore your nandroid backups and run them u need to restore them on the SAME partition size that you made them on.
If u made a backup with 200mb partition, the restored backup will ONLY WORK if your partition is still 200mb.
Just some basic info. Hope it helps people out
Peace
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adil1508 said:
The lesson:
To restore your nandroid backups and run them u need to restore them on the SAME partition size that you made them on.
If u made a backup with 200mb partition, the restored backup will ONLY WORK if your partition is still 200mb.
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I would dispute that, and say that it is more likely that your increased system partition size resulted in the data partition being too small to restore fully.
Did you make sure you did a 'wipe data factory reset' before restoring? since leftovers on the sd card could be causing problems too.
did you try 'fix permissions'?
(Always happy to be proven wrong, of course, i'm no great mind when it comes to android, but i'm ((fairly) sure ive restored to larger partitions before)

samsamuel said:
I would dispute that, and say that it is more likely that your increased system partition size resulted in the data partition being too small to restore fully.
Did you make sure you did a 'wipe data factory reset' before restoring? since leftovers on the sd card could be causing problems too.
did you try 'fix permissions'?
(Always happy to be proven wrong, of course, i'm no great mind when it comes to android, but i'm ((fairly) sure ive restored to larger partitions before)
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Yes i did fix permissions and wipe data/cache and dalvik cache too.
When i was using the typhoon rom i had like 200something used internal memory. And some 37 left. Not exact figures. So roughly 240mb is available after the partition. When i increase the partition, less than 240 is available. Maybe thats the reason?. Im not too sure too. Lets wait for some expert guy
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adil1508 said:
Yes i did fix permissions and wipe data/cache and dalvik cache too.
When i was using the typhoon rom i had like 200something used internal memory. And some 37 left. Not exact figures. So roughly 240mb is available after the partition. When i increase the partition, less than 240 is available. Maybe thats the reason?. Im not too sure too. Lets wait for some expert guy
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I am no "expert guy" but I have proved your theory wrong because I had a jelly bean Rom installed with a 150 mb partition and backed it up. Then this afternoon I remembered I needed a number from a text I received on that rom. I had since already repartitioned my phone to 250 mb and flashed a sense 3.5 Rom. I just restores my back up of jb made in a smaller partition and worked like a charm. Don't know the logistics behind it, just know it works

rawdaddymagraden said:
I am no "expert guy" but I have proved your theory wrong because I had a jelly bean Rom installed with a 150 mb partition and backed it up. Then this afternoon I remembered I needed a number from a text I received on that rom. I had since already repartitioned my phone to 250 mb and flashed a sense 3.5 Rom. I just restores my back up of jb made in a smaller partition and worked like a charm. Don't know the logistics behind it, just know it works
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Ok thanks for the clarification. Ill look into it again.
Meanwhile, i urge other members to share their experiences too. To confirm.
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Every time !! Arghhhh

Okay,, i have a note 10.1 n8010 and EVERYTIME I FLASH a rom i cant install any apps and it says insufficient storage, I do everything step by step, I don't understand, I just don't understand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can someone please explain me why this is, i wipe everything before doing a update etc...

asustf700t said:
Okay,, i have a note 10.1 n8010 and EVERYTIME I FLASH a rom i cant install any apps and it says insufficient storage, I do everything step by step, I don't understand, I just don't understand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can someone please explain me why this is, i wipe everything before doing a update etc...
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Are you using an external SD Card or just your internal one ?

lsherif said:
Are you using an external SD Card or just your internal one ?
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A external one as well

asustf700t said:
A external one as well
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Try following the below steps as per smaw51 recommendations :
wipe data/factory reset
wipe cache partition
mounts and storage/ format /data
mounts and storage/ format /system
mounts and storage/ format /cache
advanced/ wipe dalvik cache
Repeat a couple times for good measure

I have already tried those steps as I found them online and it does nothing, I always have to delete everything and then return to stock ... I just don't get it >

asustf700t said:
I have already tried those steps as I found them online and it does nothing, I always have to delete everything and then return to stock ... I just don't get it >
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So what`s your internal free storage after installing a fresh rom ?

asustf700t said:
I have already tried those steps as I found them online and it does nothing, I always have to delete everything and then return to stock ... I just don't get it >
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Oops accidentally thanked you for this post.
Anyways, I have found that wiping data from recovery doesn't clear download files and such. Download Astro File manager and see what is taking up most of your internal memory. I found personally that .zip files and a few things like that were taking up oodles of storage space. Also, when yuo do a CWM backup, do the backup to the External SD card, that way it doesn't take up app space.

lsherif said:
So what`s your internal free storage after installing a fresh rom ?
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like 7gb? and external is 4gb because i have a partition, but the partition in my case is irrelevant because before when I didn't know about link2sd I still had this problem, but everyone else seems to flash roms daily with no issues lol?

Jonphinguyen7 said:
Oops accidentally thanked you for this post.
Anyways, I have found that wiping data from recovery doesn't clear download files and such. Download Astro File manager and see what is taking up most of your internal memory. I found personally that .zip files and a few things like that were taking up oodles of storage space. Also, when yuo do a CWM backup, do the backup to the External SD card, that way it doesn't take up app space.
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okay ill thank you back lol, okay I will back it up externally for future reference, but the issue seems to be on every rom i download with my device...but no one else seems to have this issue with the same rom
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i can't it says ive reached my 8 limit today...

anyone?
i also tried the steps in this post... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1745247&page=3
I believe reading this thread and taking a few tips has fixed everything!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1908711&page=2

I strongly suggest you flash a stock rom using Odin and clear everything. If you still have problems with the stock rom on your tablet return it for warranty repair. My feeling is though it is something you are doing. So once back to stock (out of the box) reinstall apps one at a time - avoid apps to sd and installing them on external memory. I don't believe that can be necessary!

[Q] Flashing Omega 7.1 on the Note 3

Hello everyone, I've been an android fan for a long time but have only recently gotten my first smartphone- a Note 3.
Anyway, I flashed the Poland 4.4.2 a few days ago and I've afraid to flash Omega well basically I'm new to all of this.
Questions:
1. Do I need an sdcard to flash Omega 7.1? I currently don't have one and will be unable to get one for maybe at least a month.
2. I honestly love TW except for a few features it has that I don't use. So just to be clear, when I flash Omega 7.1 will I have the ability to select which TW apps(s-note,s-pen,etc) to install and not install(s-health,etc)?
3. I have TB installed and I am rooted. I have periodically made backups of all my application data. Will performing a full wipe remove the backups?(Knowing that I currently don't have an sdcard). Do I need to save TB backups on my desktop then?
4. What course of action do you guys recommend I should take to have the best possible and most error free experience with Omega 7.1 I should take?No wipe or full wipe? Will no wipe retain all my data?Application, phonebook,messages?I assume full wipe means all data will be lost.
Thank you for those who will be able to help and answer my queries especially those experienced with the Omega rom.
I tried searching the forums regarding the questions I have but I couldn't find them so resorting to posting a separate thread.
More power to the XDA Community! :good:

Mandirigma said:
Hello everyone, I've been an android fan for a long time but have only recently gotten my first smartphone- a Note 3.
Anyway, I flashed the Poland 4.4.2 a few days ago and I've afraid to flash Omega well basically I'm new to all of this.
Questions:
1. Do I need an sdcard to flash Omega 7.1? I currently don't have one and will be unable to get one for maybe at least a month.
2. I honestly love TW except for a few features it has that I don't use. So just to be clear, when I flash Omega 7.1 will I have the ability to select which TW apps(s-note,s-pen,etc) to install and not install(s-health,etc)?
3. I have TB installed and I am rooted. I have periodically made backups of all my application data. Will performing a full wipe remove the backups?(Knowing that I currently don't have an sdcard). Do I need to save TB backups on my desktop then?
4. What course of action do you guys recommend I should take to have the best possible and most error free experience with Omega 7.1 I should take?No wipe or full wipe? Will no wipe retain all my data?Application, phonebook,messages?I assume full wipe means all data will be lost.
Thank you for those who will be able to help and answer my queries especially those experienced with the Omega rom.
I tried searching the forums regarding the questions I have but I couldn't find them so resorting to posting a separate thread.
More power to the XDA Community! :good:
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Nope no need for an extSD card.(advisable to get one incase of mishaps) - Just don't wipe internal memory if you plan to flash directly from your internal SD!
All TW functions are intact unless ROM Dev says otherwise - Aroma set up wizard will guide you through.. and those you don't want you can freeze with TiB
You can use TB fixer to restore your backups without issue
Full wipe all the way, fixes 99% of any potential issues

radicalisto said:
Nope no need for an extSD card.(advisable to get one incase of mishaps) - Just don't wipe internal memory if you plan to flash directly from your internal SD!
All TW functions are intact unless ROM Dev says otherwise - Aroma set up wizard will guide you through.. and those you don't want you can freeze with TiB
You can use TB fixer to restore your backups without issue
Full wipe all the way, fixes 99% of any potential issues
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Wow that was fast.
Clarification:
is TB fixer an app?or a TB functionality? I haven't really played with TB yet. Will it be much easier if I made backups and then just store the backups on my pc and then do a full wipe and then restore the backups after flashing Omega? I find that the most straightforward approach but then again, things might be different in the Android community

Mandirigma said:
Wow that was fast.
Clarification:
is TB fixer an app?or a TB functionality? I haven't really played with TB yet. Will it be much easier if I made backups and then just store the backups on my PC and then do a full wipe and then restore the backups after flashing Omega? I find that the most straightforward approach but then again, things might be different in the Android community
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A full wipe will not delete internal or external memory cards' data. It will just remove personal system data. Nevertheless, it is not a bad idea to have a copy elsewhere.
I always make a copy in my external memory card and do what ever I want with the device with the external memory out just in case. and then put it back in when done.
The TB fixer is included (I believe) with Omega 7.1. I strongly recommend a full wipe.
good luck.

y2kkingboy said:
A full wipe will not delete internal or external memory cards' data. It will just remove personal system data. Nevertheless, it is not a bad idea to have a copy elsewhere.
I always make a copy in my external memory card and do what ever I want with the device with the external memory out just in case. and then put it back in when done.
The TB fixer is included (I believe) with Omega 7.1. I strongly recommend a full wipe.
good luck.
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Ahh,thank you for that. The terminologies scare me as of now and what they actually implied since it'll be a pain in the ass recovering the data I have. I will perform a full backup with TB and will make a copy to my desktop just in case since I don't have an external memory yet mimicking what you do with making a copy to your extSD and taking it out.
I am now downloading the necessary stuff. I will post an update later.
thank you for the responses guys!

update: I have now successfully flashed Omega 7.1 on my Note 3.
thank you very much for clarifying you guys!

Mandirigma said:
update: I have now successfully flashed Omega 7.1 on my Note 3.
thank you very much for clarifying you guys!
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Great. Glad to be able to help you.