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Is an all AOSP Rom even possible?

I mean all the way AOSP? I miss the Roms that were available for my G1...I thought the SenseUI would be awesome to have, but seriously...it actually sucks.

Yeah. There's AOSP 1.6, and DarchDroid is based off of AOSP 2.1. Do a search next time....

an all asop rom is not fully possible yet, theres a few out there but the camera doesnt work and a few other things but thats because they cant fix that until the official 2.1 comes out then we will have our fully aosp, theres darch vanilla, and darch droid, but a few things are missing as i stated above, if you are like me and you want a fully functionable aosp rom just wait until this update comes out then my friend we score, i hate sense, it blows...............ive been waiting for this a long time....dont even bother with the old aosp roms i mean their good but not 100%

RavenII said:
I mean all the way AOSP? I miss the Roms that were available for my G1...I thought the SenseUI would be awesome to have, but seriously...it actually sucks.
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Sounds like you should have gotten a Samsung Moment.

pseudoremora said:
Sounds like you should have gotten a Samsung Moment.
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i was about a **** hair from choosing a moment, almost wish i would have gotten one kinda, but then again idk, i hope a dev made use out of that decent processor

MatrixROM is all ASOP
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Here's the big answer to your question. All AOSP roms ARE possible. They just don't have all the functionality of Sense ROMs. DarchVanilla, or the link in my sig, will get you as close to aosp as you can get without breaking functionality.

HeroMeng said:
Here's the big answer to your question. All AOSP roms ARE possible. They just don't have all the functionality of Sense ROMs. DarchVanilla, or the link in my sig, will get you as close to aosp as you can get without breaking functionality.
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And might I add it's all HTCs fault because they won't release the .29 kernel source and their massive amount of modification to it disallows the ability to just port over a .29 kernel as it is... What Android was all about in the first place.

pseudoremora said:
Sounds like you should have gotten a Samsung Moment.
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Haha, I have one of those too...but let me tell you, if you flash 2.1 on it, and even THINK about thinking about looking at it to go online or play a game....or make a call, your battery drains.
HeroMeng...I'll check that one out. Thanks.

RavenII said:
HeroMeng...I'll check that one out. Thanks.
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No prob.

On the eve of the Vibrant release, I have a few questions...

Coming from a Nexus One. I know you can achieve root but here is what I want to know:
Has Samsung provided the tools so developers can begin cooking ROMS?
If so, is it possible to cook a Froyo version so we don't have to wait for Samsung's typically lazy *** to push it out?
Is it possible to turn off touch wiz and use stock Android?
These are my primary concerns and I appreciate any help with them.

TouchWiz enhances usability of the phone, and actually adds some useful features. You should check out the video from MobileBurn here:
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/07/samsung-vibrant-meta-review-extravaganza/
I don't think it's something you'll really want to turn off.

gsvnet said:
TouchWiz enhances usability of the phone, and actually adds some useful features. You should check out the video rooms from MobileBurn here:
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/07/samsung-vibrant-meta-review-extravaganza/
I don't think it's something you'll really want to turn off.
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After my using the Behold 2 for a week I held no hope for Touchwiz but after using it in my store today and watching some reviews I actually like it. I would like root but I'm not sure if I want to give up Touchwiz.

speoples20 said:
After my using the Behold 2 for a week I held no hope for Touchwiz but after using it in my store today and watching some reviews I actually like it. I would like root but I'm not sure if I want to give up Touchwiz.
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So rooting removes touchwiz?

whodatfever said:
So rooting removes touchwiz?
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no, it just gives a user "admin" rights now more no less

whodatfever said:
Coming from a Nexus One. I know you can achieve root but here is what I want to know:
Has Samsung provided the tools so developers can begin cooking ROMS?
If so, is it possible to cook a Froyo version so we don't have to wait for Samsung's typically lazy *** to push it out?
Is it possible to turn off touch wiz and use stock Android?
These are my primary concerns and I appreciate any help with them.
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the closest thing you can get to froyo is the froyo looking launcherpro which also removes the touchwiz 3.0 at the same time making it run faster, i currently have it on my g1 with a 2.1 rom and it's running super quick.
look up "samsung galaxy launcher" and you should find a couple of videos of it running launcher pro on youtube
oh did i mention this app is free and does not need rooting to work?

whodatfever said:
Coming from a Nexus One. I know you can achieve root but here is what I want to know:
Has Samsung provided the tools so developers can begin cooking ROMS?
If so, is it possible to cook a Froyo version so we don't have to wait for Samsung's typically lazy *** to push it out?
Is it possible to turn off touch wiz and use stock Android?
These are my primary concerns and I appreciate any help with them.
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Yes and Yes. Samsung has released all of their code and you can turn off TW.

s15274n said:
Yes and Yes. Samsung has released all of their code and you can turn off TW.
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Awesome
Thank you!

You got it man, I just picked up mine.... can not say enough how impressed I am. Big kudos to Samsung for the changes they have made. well done.

[Q] Touchwiz petition?

Anyone think there would be a point in making a petition and sending it to Uncle Sammy, so that maybe in the future touchwiz would be an OPTION rather than mandatory?
I kinda think that samsung won't really listen but I'd be willing to give it a try.
Personally I'm going to be using LauncherPro on my Epic, but it would be nice to just shut off the touchwiz UI without rooting and flashing something new.

Rogue2204 said:
Anyone think there would be a point in making a petition and sending it to Uncle Sammy, so that maybe in the future touchwiz would be an OPTION rather than mandatory?
I kinda think that samsung won't really listen but I'd be willing to give it a try.
Personally I'm going to be using LauncherPro on my Epic, but it would be nice to just shut off the touchwiz UI without rooting and flashing something new.
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Unlikely..their goal is to try to improve TouchWiz till the point people like it..these kind of things heps sets manufacturers apart to the average consumer...overall though its not like TouchWiz 3.0 is bad..if anything most people hate it because either they are used to Sense, think it looks like an iphone, or used a previous TouchWiz and didn't like it...if you set this aside its pretty compatible to Sense, some even like it better...
But again..unlikely..

I don't see any problem with Touchwiz, I think it looks awesome, and if someone has a problem with the performance at all, they can just get a different phone. Touchwiz 3.0 has a ton of features that are just great to have, anyway, couldn't you just run a rom if you don't like it?

When gingerbread launches, google will require none of the hardware vendors from installing custom skins.

ConceptVBS said:
When gingerbread launches, google will require none of the hardware vendors from installing custom skins.
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I doubt..that would undermine what Android is...remember Android isn't only used in cellphones...its used in car systems and other stuff..Google can't tell vendors to stop loading custom UIs...it would be silly...

You can remove touch wiz with root.

Aridon said:
You can remove touch wiz with root.
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You can also just install another launcher and set it as default. LauncherPro, ADW, aHome... etc.

ConceptVBS said:
When gingerbread launches, google will require none of the hardware vendors from installing custom skins.
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They didn't say they plan to stop/ban custom UI's.
They said they plan to make custom UI's unnecessary.

I don't think they have to get rid of touchwiz.. just make it optional. Rooting is pretty simple and i'll probably do it, but at the same time, why dont they give the user a choice? Like I said, i'll be using LauncherPro on mine, but I think the gesture would be nice on Sammy's part.

Rogue2204 said:
I don't think they have to get rid of touchwiz.. just make it optional. Rooting is pretty simple and i'll probably do it, but at the same time, why dont they give the user a choice? Like I said, i'll be using LauncherPro on mine, but I think the gesture would be nice on Sammy's part.
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That's because Samsung uses TouchWiz, HTC uses Sense, Motorola uses Blur... it's their version. What you're asking is Honda to sell you a Civic but give you the option to use a Corolla engine... it can be done, but it must be swapped (rooted)

In my opinion TouchWiz > Sense and MotoBlur it's not that bad and honestly if you really don't like it just root the phone and install a custom ROM why petition over something so cosmetic you can petition for a GPS fix if you want to do something productive.

ForrelZ said:
In my opinion TouchWiz > Sense and MotoBlur it's not that bad and honestly if you really don't like it just root the phone and install a custom ROM why petition over something so cosmetic you can petition for a GPS fix if you want to do something productive.
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+1 ... except im Sense>TouchWiz/Blur

Stock AndroidUI > TouchWiz/Sense/Blur
Moto is apparently dropping blur though. If only they would drop that stupid damn bootloader now.

ForrelZ said:
In my opinion TouchWiz >you can petition for a GPS fix if you want to do something productive.
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Is there something wrong with its GPS?
Edit: Nevermind. I should have read the "GPS Fail" thread before posting that question! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=756026

just install another home screen and make it default

ConceptVBS said:
When gingerbread launches, google will require none of the hardware vendors from installing custom skins.
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Got proof? Because I don't think that's going to happen.
Gingerbread will improve on Android's basic UI. The way buttons\menus look. The status bar. Etc. You bet your ass manufacturers are still going to load on their custom UIs. HTC has already said that they will include sense when they update their phones to Android 3.0.
I'm going to have to agree with everyone else. If you don't like TW3, install Launcherpro or ADW. Wait for a custom rom which gets rid of TW3 (like senseless roms for EVO). It's only a matter of time before the Cyanogen team puts out a 100% AOSP rom for it anyway. But for those who don't liek rooting... Launcherpro.

hydralisk said:
Got proof? Because I don't think that's going to happen.
Gingerbread will improve on Android's basic UI. The way buttons\menus look. The status bar. Etc. You bet your ass manufacturers are still going to load on their custom UIs. HTC has already said that they will include sense when they update their phones to Android 3.0.
I'm going to have to agree with everyone else. If you don't like TW3, install Launcherpro or ADW. Wait for a custom rom which gets rid of TW3 (like senseless roms for EVO). It's only a matter of time before the Cyanogen team puts out a 100% AOSP rom for it anyway. But for those who don't liek rooting... Launcherpro.
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The proof is in the videos google made when they were showing off Android 2.2... they said it themselves in the video, I'd search for it but the video is long as hell

see this thread
thought I'd update this thread to point to another more recent thread: How to disable touchwiz

To be honest, Touchwiz is my favorite UI I've used.
Thats above Sense, MotoBlur, Stock, etc.
Always have been a fan of the color themes, love the lockscreen, the dialer, and even coming to like the ****ty horizontal app drawer.
If Samsung can improve Touchwiz to have the media player and other features that are on the other Galaxies, it would be even better!

I was going to say, it's easy enough to turn off. Yeah, I don't care for it, but it's not a big deal to make the vanilla launcher the default one. You don't have to install or remove anything, or need root.

Why are we lacking a working SENSE ui rom?

I am confused that so many other phones have a working sense UI, but ours don't. I know that htc will cause havoc for people who use it, but it hasn't stopped devs for other phones.. I like some of the functions that sense includes, and have seen some of those features in our roms, but it seems at random..?

Silentbtdeadly said:
I am confused that so many other phones have a working sense UI, but ours don't. I know that htc will cause havoc for people who use it, but it hasn't stopped devs for other phones.. I like some of the functions that sense includes, and have seen some of those features in our roms, but it seems at random..?
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I think that it might have something to do with the fact that Sense UI is made specifically for HTC devices. HTC devices have slightly different hardware than Samsung devices. And since the ROM requires device specific drivers to operate properly (such as wifi, gps, camera, bluetooth, etc) it may not work. Then we have other issues such as radio, kernels, etc.
So... in conclusion... it's much more difficult than you think.

Silentbtdeadly said:
I am confused that so many other phones have a working sense UI, but ours don't. I know that htc will cause havoc for people who use it, but it hasn't stopped devs for other phones.. I like some of the functions that sense includes, and have seen some of those features in our roms, but it seems at random..?
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By "so many other phones having working sense ui," do you mean HTC phones..?
It's like asking why so many Samsung phones are running Touchwiz.

Are you just taking about the theme? If so, bi-winning has a sense ui theme (you have to flash it separately).
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I was wondering about this as well until I got an hd2 and read that devs were having trouble getting a touchwiz ui to work. It goes both ways I guess.
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zer0nine said:
By "so many other phones having working sense ui," do you mean HTC phones..?
It's like asking why so many Samsung phones are running Touchwiz.
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I laughed

LOL maybe the op can fix all the platform conflicts for us..... then we will an awesome sense mod... ....... cross platform mods are a *****.... and anyone who does this is one disciplined programmer/debugger....

Way back when barakinflorida was still devin' he and I think krylon (or someone) had almost all the major issues knocked out, except for data. I'm sure that link is still on EBpro if you wanna fiddle with it.

All~G1 said:
Way back when barakinflorida was still devin' he and I think krylon (or someone) had almost all the major issues knocked out, except for data. I'm sure that link is still on EBpro if you wanna fiddle with it.
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You mean rafyvito?
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Nah barak had it almost finished but he stopped deving.
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Samsung Galaxy II rom for myTouch 4G?

The myTouch 4g is a great phone and I know this is possible but I was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to port the Galaxy S II rom to the myTouch 4g I think alot of people would appreciate it. If you guys want the rom from the Galaxy S II please reply to let developers know that you want it as bad as I do!!!!!!! :-D If I was a developer I would port it but I cant. Unless someone walks me through it.......Developers please reply Thank You
-Yonkersboy127
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Do you mean a touchwiz 4.0 rom? If so, I'm pretty sure there are compatibility issue reasons why the mt4g doesn't have any touchwiz based roms. (I could be totally wrong here, I'm no dev, & welcome the correct answer)... But yea, I think that's why we have sense-based roms, cm based, miui...
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Yes a Touchwiz 4.0 rom, you maybe are right and thank you for the reply I appreciate it Im just looking for something new instead of the same old same...lol but thanks again. Im currently looking into becoming a Developer I love the work they make and i would love to become a part in it. I have been with XDA since the G1 days and i think im about ready to start working on becoming a Developer.... So if there is anyone that can help me or point me in the right direction I would greatly appreciate it...Thanks for all the help guys
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If you want TouchWiz, you can download TouchWiz 4 pack for MIUI, install MIUI, and install the pack. It might work (and might not).
Use some Google search to get the files. The pack is 161MB. I believe it's somewhere in Galaxy S or S2 sections.

Thanks Jack_R1 is that pack more miui though? Or does it run just like a touchwiz rom? Cause im not that MIUI friendly lol...
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This is a complete TouchWiz, except for system menus and dialogs.
You can try to install it over CM7, I believe there were reports of it working.

I remember seeing sense ROM's available for Samsung phones that normally ran Touchwiz. I suppose the reverse SHOULD be possible. Though porting a ROM to a phone with completely different hardware that no other touchwiz ROMs are available for would be a pain. No examples to learn from and so on.
Hmm. Any Devs with thoughts?
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It could be done, but it would be very very very hard and time consuming. EDT at one point was trying to port sense to the vibrant, but that really didnt end up as anything, so I would assume it would be the same porting TW to the mytouch. Im sure the right dev with enough time could get a port working.

sorry i cant answer your question but i have an alternative.
if you just want touchwiz 4 and UI that looks like SGSII, here:
1. flash CM7
2. find samsung theme for theme chooser (can be found here anyway)
3. install the theme
4. install the touchwiz 4 from here
5. you done, simple like that.

Why would u want to take a perfectly fine htc product and ruin it with samsuck crap?

pinguo777 said:
Why would u want to take a perfectly fine htc product and ruin it with samsuck crap?
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+1 if you like Samsuck so much then why did you even buy an HTC in the first place?

pinguo777 said:
Why would u want to take a perfectly fine htc product and ruin it with samsuck crap?
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The same reason people put CM7 and/or MIUI on the MT4G. Maybe he doesn't want the bloated Sense and would rather have a TW4 GB UI that already has hardware accelerated launcher and much less bloat.
With that said, as nice as it'd be, it's not possible. The list goes on in what you would need to put TW4 on any phone that's not Samsung.

mackster248 said:
The same reason people put CM7 and/or MIUI on the MT4G. Maybe he doesn't want the bloated Sense and would rather have a TW4 GB UI that already has hardware accelerated launcher and much less bloat.
With that said, as nice as it'd be, it's not possible. The list goes on in what you would need to put TW4 on any phone that's not Samsung.
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This. I really wish people would think before bashing others desires.

GazaIan said:
This. I really wish people would think before bashing others desires.
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That's what I'm saying... Too many fan-boys on a certain UI rather than being open minded.
Sense is my favorite non AOSP UI as well. But it's no where as smooth and as fast as TW4. Hell, even the new MotoBlur easily trumps Sense speed wise.

mackster248 said:
That's what I'm saying... Too many fan-boys on a certain UI rather than being open minded.
Sense is my favorite non AOSP UI as well. But it's no where as smooth and as fast as TW4. Hell, even the new MotoBlur easily trumps Sense speed wise.
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my dad has a galaxy S with TW 4.. and it's REALLY laggy... no joke...just saying
and laggy as in SO MUCH OF IT THAT YOU JUST WANT TO CHUCK THE PHONE INTO A WALL lol

saranhai said:
my dad has a galaxy S with TW 4.. and it's REALLY laggy... no joke...just saying
and laggy as in SO MUCH OF IT THAT YOU JUST WANT TO CHUCK THE PHONE INTO A WALL lol
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Galaxy S 1 or 2? Because there's a big difference. My gf's stock SGSII is the smoothest and fastest I've ever tried, faster than any custom ROM that I've ever tried. There's no TW4 for SGS1, just TW3.

There are custom ROMs with TW4 on SGS1.
This thing will quickly become laggy if you seriously use it, whatever you put on it. Except MIUI.

Jack_R1 said:
There are custom ROMs with TW4 on SGS1.
This thing will quickly become laggy if you seriously use it, whatever you put on it. Except MIUI.
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When I built bi-winning v3 for the vibrant, I used tw4. Never lagged for me or anyone else that used that Rom.
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mackster248 said:
Galaxy S 1 or 2? Because there's a big difference. My gf's stock SGSII is the smoothest and fastest I've ever tried, faster than any custom ROM that I've ever tried. There's no TW4 for SGS1, just TW3.
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GT-I9000.
Rooted, and custom Rom, with lagfix enabled. Still lags.
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