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I was thinking if anyone knew about htcs and t-mobiles view on rooting
Well, if they wanted you to do it, than they wouldn't be patching off the root access or the app. So I would reasonible believe they don't want you to. Another thing is they do not warranty work on rooted devices
What do you mean they do not warranty work on rooted devices
Meaning a rooted device loses its warranty if its sent in rooted, if its been flashed back then it still has its warranty...
I doubt Google and HTC care if we root our devices, they don't loose out, and they sell rooted phones any way (ADP1 and I think the ION is rooted too). I guess the only reason google would care is app piracy...
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What do you mean they do not warranty work on rooted devices
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If you root your phone, kiss good bye to your warranty. It really doesn't matter though, if it's a hardware issue you can unroot and they'll never know, and if it's bricked you can say it was update that bricked it.
Has anyone in the uk replace their phone successfully
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Has anyone in the uk replace their phone successfully
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What do you mean?
I mean has anyone in the uk replaced a bricked phone caused by the new spl without any problems
HTC aren't going to bothered with what people do, neither are Google really. It's the network operators which want to tie people to their crap and have you pay for it.
The issue is with the warranty and if you broke it, Asus, for example, aren't bothered what OS you run on their hardware, but if you flash a bad BIOS then it's your fault. ATI, nVidia, Gigabyte etc encourage overclocking but won't honour warranty if it causes damage.
Google are likely to secretly want rooted phones as more network operators mangle the OS to suit themselves in the future and push their own services over Googles.
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I was thinking if anyone knew about htcs and t-mobiles view on rooting
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My guess is that T-Mobile doesn't want rooting because it allows tethering.
Tethering generally causes an increase in data usage, and an increase in bandwidth use by the phone. This can impact T-Mobile cell towers and other T-Mobile customers if too many tethered phones are sucking up bandwidth on a particular tower.
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Well, if they wanted you to do it, than they wouldn't be patching off the root access or the app.
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My recollection is that that bug was patched because it allowed any app to gain root access for itself, not just the end user. Hopefully I don't need to explain why that's a bad thing. The patch didn't specifically patch out root access for the user because root access for the user was never a design feature to begin with.
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I was thinking if anyone knew about htcs and t-mobiles view on rooting
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If you really want to know the official views of these companies, email or call them. Most of the members of xda-dev are not employed by/affiliated with either company, and as such it is impossible to tell if they're telling truth, passing along unverified rumor/hearsay, or just making bs up.
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Well, if they wanted you to do it, than they wouldn't be patching off the root access or the app. So I would reasonible believe they don't want you to. Another thing is they do not warranty work on rooted devices
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You can also look at it like they don't care if you do it but they don't want a one click solution that will allow every freakin retard out there to do it. Think about it how many stupid questions do we get from people who used the one click vs ones who did it manually.
Also having an app with that kind of access to the phone means ANY app can have that kind of access to your phone including the bad evil kind you dream of making gridlock.
The problem with rooting is this;
Some very small number of people understand the system and can be fully self-sufficient with full root access.
And then you have the others, who want root for whatever features come with it... and some of them start messing with things they don't understand and end up in a huge mess... and then send it back for warranty work because their device doesn't work right any more. This means MUCH more support from the retailer/manufacturer. The other side of this is that if you have a whole lot of people trying things like cyanogen's latest unstable mod and show it off to a whole lot of people, and it crashed like nuts, then the people who see it don't necessarily understand that it is due to running crazy experimental stuff and instead think that 'droid itself is junk.... which is incorrect.
So preventing root access means that you have a simpler, more consistent, and more reliable environment, which means a better platform reputation and lower overall support costs.
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The problem with rooting is this;
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There's another point of consideration. While I know I just wrote about the unverifiability of some posts on xda, i'm going to have to do a complete 180 and do just that. I can't confirm since I'm not a handset maker (nor do I work for one), but i'm quite confident in believing that in order to acquire Google's consent and software support to create a Google Experience phone, root access has to be restricted from the end user. Again that's all speculation.
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The problem with rooting is this;
Some very small number of people understand the system and can be fully self-sufficient with full root access.
And then you have the others, who want root for whatever features come with it... and some of them start messing with things they don't understand and end up in a huge mess... and then send it back for warranty work because their device doesn't work right any more. This means MUCH more support from the retailer/manufacturer. The other side of this is that if you have a whole lot of people trying things like cyanogen's latest unstable mod and show it off to a whole lot of people, and it crashed like nuts, then the people who see it don't necessarily understand that it is due to running crazy experimental stuff and instead think that 'droid itself is junk.... which is incorrect.
So preventing root access means that you have a simpler, more consistent, and more reliable environment, which means a better platform reputation and lower overall support costs.
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Good breakdown.
StanSimmons said:
My guess is that T-Mobile doesn't want rooting because it allows tethering.
Tethering generally causes an increase in data usage, and an increase in bandwidth use by the phone. This can impact T-Mobile cell towers and other T-Mobile customers if too many tethered phones are sucking up bandwidth on a particular tower.
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I dunno about in the US, but this would most likely be T-Mobile UK's problem.
The terms of the contracts say that you can't tether with the standard net package, you need to upgrade to the next one (extra £10 instead of £5) to be able to use your 3G/HSDPA connection on the PC.
Problem is, with phones like the G1 how would they know? If it was something like an old Sony Ericsson W810 they would know straight away due to the amount you were downloading but on a G1 you can view full webpages anyway, download images etc and programs via the market. So really they have no way of knowing if you're tethering of not. Hence they want to try and stop tethering from being an option.
Fingerlicken, why would I Target a system I use, if I let out any kind of evil it would be against an Iphone.
Why does Linux have so little viruses, cause most of the hackers use linux
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Why does Linux have so little viruses, cause most of the hackers use linux
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Wha? I think you have your cause and effect mixed up. Also, this thread is getting off topic.
Maybe this is far fetched or not..
But will the day ever come or is it even possible that we eventually have a way... perhaps through the recovery menu or just generally through the phone..
To be able to easily select any of the themes, roms... etc from a list of all of the themes, roms.. etc and then install while our phone keeps everything critical to a user saved...
Maybe I am wrong.. I am not much a help to this community.. the best I can give are ideas.
I was thinking a program called ... "XDA" for example that would allow us to install any of this stuff more easily... would be f'n sweet...
Perhaps there could be money from advertising revs or just flat out charge a buck or two as well..
I'm not really sure... thoughts? Is it possible or not?
Excuse my ridiculous way of communicating.
PS... I would love to have easier access to what you guys are doing here, and I know I'd be fully willing to pay for an app that allowed simple installation of work that has gone down here.
It's been such a long time since I rooted and put in a rom as well as other things, I slightly don't look forward to doing it again as well as don't really know what new features would be gained.
I know i've only really had trouble with one thing on my phone and its the damn youtube app... 90% of the time video/audio doesn't play.. but if I try 10x to load the video it does eventually work.
I don't even know what i'm using any more.. I think I have fresh.
Again excuse my writing/thinking style... (full blown lunatic) DEAL WITH IT.
for themes, at least, use metamorph. you could easily come up with that through a google search and maybe 5 or 10 minutes of looking around. though you probably are gonna be using 1.6 aosp for theming with metamorph. so that means no sense.
roms.... not gonna happen lol.
Well essentially recovery is what you are talking about...
I mean in regards to cutting out the work to be able to flash a rom, you can't do it. You are always going to need root access, and really the reason I assume we use recovery in the first place is that it is not running on the ROM/etc, its outside what we are trying to mod.
I mean say someone came up with a simple apk, released to market and etc for installing roms. How would you run the apk? You can't flash over the rom while still using it.
Plus I would say it is probably a good thing for people to approach the learning curve to modding the device. Flashing while not understanding what you are doing and stuff could potentially be risky. Imagine an app in the market and how many people would brick their phone from doing things they would have originally learned not to do.
Cloned2 said:
Maybe this is far fetched or not..
But will the day ever come or is it even possible that we eventually have a way... perhaps through the recovery menu or just generally through the phone..
To be able to easily select any of the themes, roms... etc from a list of all of the themes, roms.. etc and then install while our phone keeps everything critical to a user saved...
Maybe I am wrong.. I am not much a help to this community.. the best I can give are ideas.
I was thinking a program called ... "XDA" for example that would allow us to install any of this stuff more easily... would be f'n sweet...
Perhaps there could be money from advertising revs or just flat out charge a buck or two as well..
I'm not really sure... thoughts? Is it possible or not?
Excuse my ridiculous way of communicating.
PS... I would love to have easier access to what you guys are doing here, and I know I'd be fully willing to pay for an app that allowed simple installation of work that has gone down here.
It's been such a long time since I rooted and put in a rom as well as other things, I slightly don't look forward to doing it again as well as don't really know what new features would be gained.
I know i've only really had trouble with one thing on my phone and its the damn youtube app... 90% of the time video/audio doesn't play.. but if I try 10x to load the video it does eventually work.
I don't even know what i'm using any more.. I think I have fresh.
Again excuse my writing/thinking style... (full blown lunatic) DEAL WITH IT.
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id just like to see more custom roms and themes come out like the gsm version has.
What I think the OP is talking about, is something like Preware for the Palm Pre, where you can download whatever it is to be modified through Preware, and then Preware reboots the phone/Luna (windows manager) depending on what is being modified, and then the changes are done. But then again, Preware can't change ROM's, only skins, etc.
Un-root And update download the file from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=975888 and apply. This will give you stock and S-on.
That simple!
Thanks for the info, but the fun is just beginning. This is always good to have just in case you have to return it.
You should be able to load any stock RUU. As long as the hboot and the recovery exist in the RUU, it should return you to a stock condition.
Jaywan, how about a simple root and s-off?
It's simple to make a app run the commands needed to make a one click rooter. And easier to edit a already working rooter to work for this phone. Idk why he don't want the one click released. Took me 30 minutes to root.. maybe he only want people to root using his method. I not gonna step on his toes by posting one tho...
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ok ok, I hear yah. I will just bite the bullet and type in all 90 of the commands tomorrow when I get off work.
BTW, I left the MT4G and came over to verizon also. I went to the SGS4G before I left tmobile. Lack of dev support for that phone made me give it up. Thanks for coming over to the Thunderbolt.
also, take a look at this thread I started. Somethings up with this one click unroot deal.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1004567
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It's simple to make a app run the commands needed to make a one click rooter. And easier to edit a already working rooter to work for this phone. Idk why he don't want the one click released. Took me 30 minutes to root.. maybe he only want people to root using his method. I not gonna step on his toes by posting one tho...
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I heard him meantion he wants people to learn adb so if something happens further down the line they can use it
Seriously I'm with him, the hardest part about adb for me was getting it installed. The root was easy and took 30 min
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For what its worth, he said feel free to post the one clicks, just give credit. I dont honestly care however, copy, paste, seemed simple enough. Was no where near as hard as the original root method for the DInc.
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The only legitimate reason I could buy about not wanting a one click released, is if SOMEHOW it would make our phones vulnerable to some sort if attack.
As background, I've ben using custom roms since my old g1 was new and JesusFreke was just getting started and I dont ever recall ANY dev with holding something that would make the users lives easier. In recent history I've done a ton of flashing roms with both mine and my wifes old vibrants and the only time I used adb was if I wanted to push a file to the phone without mounting it on my computer.
PERSONALLY, this whole mess sounds of ego and elitism. I am incredibly greatful to the devs who have paved the way, but fearful of what they are trying to do. No one should have the right to prevent another from releasing something, it's in gross violation of the gpl. If a dev wants to code something under a different license, fine. However it needs to be clearly annotated as such, and devoid of any gpl work itself. In other words, it basically can't contain anything related to android unless it was developed 100% blind through an emulator.
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Can't step on my toes, I got stealtoe boots...
I want a chance to review any one clicks before release. I REALLY want new users to understand what they are doing BEFORE they try one clicking.
I want proper md5sum verifications, I want proper warnings, etc.
I already stopped the release (until fixed) of one 1click root that would of been REALLY bad for the community and anyone using it.
Ppl need to stop blaming me for this crud.
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The only legitimate reason I could buy about not wanting a one click released, is if SOMEHOW it would make our phones vulnerable to some sort if attack.
As background, I've ben using custom roms since my old g1 was new and JesusFreke was just getting started and I dont ever recall ANY dev with holding something that would make the users lives easier. In recent history I've done a ton of flashing roms with both mine and my wifes old vibrants and the only time I used adb was if I wanted to push a file to the phone without mounting it on my computer.
PERSONALLY, this whole mess sounds of ego and elitism. I am incredibly greatful to the devs who have paved the way, but fearful of what they are trying to do. No one should have the right to prevent another from releasing something, it's in gross violation of the gpl. If a dev wants to code something under a different license, fine. However it needs to be clearly annotated as such, and devoid of any gpl work itself. In other words, it basically can't contain anything related to android unless it was developed 100% blind through an emulator.
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Are you a troll or do you really believe all that crock you just posted?
The issue with one clicks was an increased risk of bricking with this method. And where does the GPL even come in here at, any GPL code we used as released before the root was even up.?
I stopped a one click from being released today that not only left your phone vulnerable to an attack, but also left you with an outdated, faulty radio and other faulty firmware.
Either you are a troll, have a personal issue with me, or have a seriously problem.
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Can't step on my toes, I got stealtoe boots...
I want a chance to review any one clicks before release. I REALLY want new users to understand what they are doing BEFORE they try one clicking.
I want proper md5sum verifications, I want proper warnings, etc.
I already stopped the release (until fixed) of one 1click root that would of been REALLY bad for the community and anyone using it.
Ppl need to stop blaming me for this crud.
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omfg most of us been rooting since g1 came out THE FIRST DAY come on if modaco was working on this aka paul. like his app visionary he would have it out.... who cares most of us know adb... but i dont want to turn s off i just want root access to remove **** and do a couple mods. why is this such a big fuc88ing deal just release the app and we will all be grateful of who release one click root
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omfg most of us been rooting since g1 came out THE FIRST DAY come on if modaco was working on this aka paul. like his app visionary he would have it out.... who cares most of us know adb... but i dont want to turn s off i just want root access to remove **** and do a couple mods. why is this such a big fuc88ing deal just release the app and we will all be grateful of who release one click root
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o.m.g.
Dude it doesn't work that way on this phone. It is not the G1, z4/visionary/anyonphoneroot does not work, root REQUIRES adb (even with one click).
Fact is, you can't root this phone, temp or perm, one click or not, without ad.
If you can find a way, please do. We are awaiting your one click, root that does not use adb, and is not dangerous.
fyi one click has been released, hours before your post.
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I'm going to cut out all your attacks, because you've clearly missed my point in its entirety and decided to get defensive.
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The issue with one clicks was an increased risk of bricking with this method. And where does the GPL even come in here at, any GPL code we used as released before the root was even up.?
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I brought the GPL in because like it or not, you don't have the right to say who can and cannot release anything regarding "one click" roots UNLESS you yourself made an essential piece of the current rooting method, that is in its entirety your own. To make an analogy, you can't patent (and thus control the distribution) to a Toyota Carolla, simply because you assembled the whole thing from spare parts. If you were to completely design and fabricate a motor vehicle without using off-the-shelf parts you WOULD have that right.
There is nothing personal in my view of this against you, I don't hold any grudges against anyone; but its the mentality here that irritates me, and it just happens that you're the one that posted it:
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I want a chance to review any one clicks before release. I REALLY want new users to understand what they are doing BEFORE they try one clicking.
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I understand you want people to learn; I really do. I've done enough work with computers that I too get really irritated at people who demand answers to questions answered much faster by doing a quick search. I also understand why you want to avoid screw ups because of a poorly made one click. HOWEVER, just because you WANT people to get them cleared through you first; does not mean they HAVE to or that you have a right to demand that they do.
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I stopped a one click from being released today that not only left your phone vulnerable to an attack, but also left you with an outdated, faulty radio and other faulty firmware.
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And thus you've found the wonder of open source software. Sometimes crap gets released. But guess what? Every one of us here are supposed to be adults, or at the very least the authorized users of our phones; which means that if we screw something up, or use something that screws up; its our own damn fault.
The whole purpose of OSS is to allow freedom of ideas and development. I don't know how old you are, or what your experience with OSS outside of Android phones are; but I personally have seen PLENTY of OSS software that started out as utter crap, turn into wonderful software packages. Maybe you're old enough to remember KDE2 vs KDE4, or how about pre v1 Mozilla vs modern versions of Firefox.
I'm not some OSS nutter; I've got no problem with closed source or proprietary software; just a problem with others trying to control things they have no right to.
All that having been said, maybe you DO hold software rights related to some piece of the current rooting method. If so I've seen nothing indicating so, nor anything indicating that any part of the rooting method is not OSS; however if you DO, then you have my apologies, as you would indeed have control over distribution of that specific piece. You still would not be able to prevent distribution of any one click that were released provided they simply had users download your piece separately.
You are missing the point, and obviously did not read anything. This will be my last time wasting time with you until then.
I never said THEY CANT release, I asked them not to, until we had a safer way and time to check it out. Big difference. I stopped one from going out today that would of more or less ruined phones until someone fixed them.
Fact is, MOST of the one clicks I have seen lately, violate the GPL, why don't you go after them, or hell even better we could really use you to go after HTC (in all seriousness).
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I'm going to cut out all your attacks, because you've clearly missed my point in its entirety and decided to get defensive.
I brought the GPL in because like it or not, you don't have the right to say who can and cannot release anything regarding "one click" roots UNLESS you yourself made an essential piece of the current rooting method, that is in its entirety your own. To make an analogy, you can't patent (and thus control the distribution) to a Toyota Carolla, simply because you assembled the whole thing from spare parts. If you were to completely design and fabricate a motor vehicle without using off-the-shelf parts you WOULD have that right.
There is nothing personal in my view of this against you, I don't hold any grudges against anyone; but its the mentality here that irritates me, and it just happens that you're the one that posted it:
I understand you want people to learn; I really do. I've done enough work with computers that I too get really irritated at people who demand answers to questions answered much faster by doing a quick search. I also understand why you want to avoid screw ups because of a poorly made one click. HOWEVER, just because you WANT people to get them cleared through you first; does not mean they HAVE to or that you have a right to demand that they do.
And thus you've found the wonder of open source software. Sometimes crap gets released. But guess what? Every one of us here are supposed to be adults, or at the very least the authorized users of our phones; which means that if we screw something up, or use something that screws up; its our own damn fault.
The whole purpose of OSS is to allow freedom of ideas and development. I don't know how old you are, or what your experience with OSS outside of Android phones are; but I personally have seen PLENTY of OSS software that started out as utter crap, turn into wonderful software packages. Maybe you're old enough to remember KDE2 vs KDE4, or how about pre v1 Mozilla vs modern versions of Firefox.
I'm not some OSS nutter; I've got no problem with closed source or proprietary software; just a problem with others trying to control things they have no right to.
All that having been said, maybe you DO hold software rights related to some piece of the current rooting method. If so I've seen nothing indicating so, nor anything indicating that any part of the rooting method is not OSS; however if you DO, then you have my apologies, as you would indeed have control over distribution of that specific piece. You still would not be able to prevent distribution of any one click that were released provided they simply had users download your piece separately.
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I agree!! If anyone is in violation of GPL license it is HTC.
And once we have that kernel source in the hands of the community amazing things will happen!!
Once the custom kernels start flying you will see the TB doing crazy things. I can only imagine 2GHz speeds or insanely efficient battery life (to name a few)!
ShanDestromp says "And thus you've found the wonder of open source software. Sometimes crap gets released. But guess what? Every one of us here are supposed to be adults, or at the very least the authorized users of our phones; which means that if we screw something up, or use something that screws up; its our own damn fault. "
This has got to be the stupidest statement I have read in a long time, I can guarantee, If you used a 1-click method and it bricked your phone you would be screaming " where's the oversight in this forum, I cant' believe that that mods would allow faulty programming to be posted."
Jcase I for one am glad you are stepping up and doing what needs to be done to prevent a potential $750 brick, thank you sir.
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I never said THEY CANT release, I asked them not to, until we had a safer way and time to check it out. Big difference. I stopped one from going out today that would of more or less ruined phones until someone fixed them.
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I'm not privy to any private conversations, nor do I read every thread here on XDA, so my general impression, which I'm sure is shared based upon what others have said, was of a more explicit "No you cannot," not a "do you mind if I take a peek first". Furthermore, I did not name any one individual "responsible" for any blockade; I only began to interact with you once you brought yourself into the thread. Beyond that, if you go back to my original post, I explicitly thank the people who made root possible at all.
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Fact is, MOST of the one clicks I have seen lately, violate the GPL, why don't you go after them
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For starters I don't know much, if anything about them other than they exist. Unless I personally see something that I think is in violation, I assume good faith. I certainly don't seeking violations.
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or hell even better we could really use you to go after HTC (in all seriousness).
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I'm guessing you're referring to the fact that they didn't release the kernel source as expected this week? I'd mentioned it in another thread, though I don't recall which anymore; but from what I recall of GPLv2 developers have 60 days from the "official" binary release to provide source. To expand on that, HTC has 60 days from when the phone officially went on sale, to provide upon request the source code to any GPL licensed software, however it is version specific. That is to say 60 days from March 17th to make available the source to the firmware that was on the phone when released (since to the best of my knowledge there have been no other OFFICIAL firmware versions released).
Of course any such source will inherently exclude any third party proprietary software, for example if HTC used a closed-source bluetooth stack (not saying they did, just a hypothetical example). Additionally, there isn't any specific method to release stipulated. If HTC wishes they could mail out copies of the source on 3.5" floppies and still be within the rules; and all this assumes GPLv2 is how Android is licensed. If its v3 then I honestly have no clue if any time provisions exist.
I just want to reiterate, I have no ill-will to you nor anyone else. It appears as though the whole issue stems from miscommunication.
Good Lock UI
a few days ago i ran across an app called " samsung good lock ui" it was originally only available for note 5 , s6, s7, and the edge variants. but the article i was reading was from a user who side loaded it on his note 4 and was successfully using it on his Note 4. Since then it has been made available for the Note 4 on Samsungs Galaxy App Store, although I believe its still not officially supported for our devices,
Now I have been using it for at least a week so far. and it is a little buggy still, but they are updating very frequently to address the bugs. there are a few things that can cause it to lock a user out of the phone of which I will explain haw to deal with these issuess the best I can.
I've helped a few users with their issues already and really went through the app and its settings. I installed and uninstalled many times and did everything I could to recreate users problems so I could try to figure out ways to deal with those problems. along the way Imalmost positive that Ive found the few problems still there and the way around them.
I WILL STRESS THAT THIS APP HAS THE POTENTIAL TO REALLY CAUSE SOME PROBLEMS. In my opinion they should state that it is still in BETA form.... BUT , you install at your own Risk!!!
THE MUST AND MUST NOTS.
1. fingerprint and password lockscreen security options cause an inability to unlock the phone once restarted...
( to assure you dont have problems , REMEMBER!!! Before installing MAKE SURE that you are not using the fingerprint or Password lockscreen security options, Pin and Pattern seem to be ok, but I would just switch to swipe lockscreen before installing or uninstalling...)
2. When uninstalling the app you MUST ABSOLUTELY UNINSTALL FROM INSIDE THE APP... Good lock settings > Uninstall.....The App has caused serious problems for others if not uninstalled properly....(I have installed and uninstalled lots of times with no issues, which leads me to believe the issues are user created.)
3. If You want all the settings, color scheme, and changes to stick after a restart, Then make your desired changes to the default routine, instead of creating a New Routine..... I believe this Bug is a conmon one that will likely be fixed in the next couple updates.
(if you dont use default, then when you restart the color scheme reverts to default )
LOCKSCREEN LOCKED OUT FIX..........
Fix for if you forget to change to Swipe lockscreen before you install the app and get locked out our your phone...
if you try to use fingerprint.or password or forget to change it to swipe before installation. It will not have a way to unlock it normally, (there wont be a keyboard or the fingerprint text prompts: Just your wallpaper and access to the notifications).... if this happens you should still be able to pull down notifications on the lockscreen that does appear.
Pull down notifications, then pull down a second time to bring down quick settings. At the top Right you will see some icons, from left to right you should see Battery and Pecentage, the Search, then App Settings, then the regular settings icon. The App settings icon next to the regular settings icon is what you need to tap if you cant unlock the device. If you are locked out and you push this icon it will recognize the GoodLock UI is causing an error and will disable good lock UII and ask you to restart the device. When it reboots, you should be back to TouchWiz and able to unlock like normal,...
There is lots more to discuss and im sure lots of help needed so im glad to help if i can......
Please see the Overdrive thread. I'm still 15 hours in pain trying to remove this malware. Caveat emptor. I don't know how responsible it is to invite this disaster. If you are locked hard out like me, there is no way to get to the notify pull down and you are Tango Uniform. I cannot install any ROM now without horrific problems.
Please read.
1) If you are anyone who uses the well respected/tested Smart Unlock, even when deactivated and uninstalled then AVOID
2) Installation changes/corrupts SystemUI (check before and after) even when you are able to not be completely locked out and you are able to think you have uninstalled properly.
3) Installation/deinstallation changes firmware beyond anything a full and complete wipe can address. Full wipe three times, including system and data - it is still there.
4) if you don't mind losing all the user interface enhancements from custom ROMs to go back to a stock Samsung TouchWiz look, go for it. Don't understand why one would do that. Effectively Good Lock is TouchWiz plus with a lock-in change to SystemUIand other parts of firmware. Thank you Samsung.
Bottom line: many have suffered. Not just the ratings of a long time xda'er like me. Please search around. I'm glad hey likes it. It has wasted a dozen hours trying to dislodge it. Starting from scratch, scratch. Back to ODIN seems the only way to stamp out Bad Lock.
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Please see the Overdrive thread. I'm still 15 hours in pain trying to remove this malware. Caveat emptor. I don't know how responsible it is to invite this disaster. If you are locked hard out like me, there is no way to get to the notify pull down and you are Tango Uniform. I cannot install any ROM now without horrific problems.
Please read.
1) If you are anyone who uses the well respected/tested Smart Unlock, even when deactivated and uninstalled then AVOID
2) Installation changes/corrupts SystemUI (check before and after) even when you are able to not be completely locked out and you are able to think you have uninstalled properly.
3) Installation/deinstallation changes firmware beyond anything a full and complete wipe can address. Full wipe three times, including system and data - it is still there.
4) if you don't mind losing all the user interface enhancements from custom ROMs to go back to a stock Samsung TouchWiz look, go for it. Don't understand why one would do that. Effectively Good Lock is TouchWiz plus with a lock-in change to SystemUIand other parts of firmware. Thank you Samsung.
Bottom line: many have suffered. Not just the ratings of a long time xda'er like me. Please search around. I'm glad hey likes it. It has wasted a dozen hours trying to dislodge it. Starting from scratch, scratch. Back to ODIN seems the only way to stamp out Bad Lock.
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I am the one who started it in the ovrdrive thread as well, that's why i stated all the warnings...
with that said I've looked around. the only place I've seen any problems like what you describe
is in that thread..Nowhere else can i find much of anyone having problems.
i absolutely think that whatever problems you and very few others are having are user error. as long as you don't use fingerprint or password it works infallibly. i mean no disrespect and i apologize if what i say is disagreeable to you, but i have used this app and 4 other friend's that have the note 4 have used the app for at least a week or so with absolutely no problems.....i will reiterate....ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEMS.... uninstalling reinstalling, flashing and reflashing over and over again...in fact i can even do what i warn others of and use fingerprint or password. i can let it get locked up and undo it every time... no matter what i do i cant recreate the problems you say you have .and i have tried on 5 different note 4s. i am not saying you are not having the problems, i just think either there is something different or wrong with a few devices or the problems are induced by the user somehow, or there's a mod or an app on those few devices conflicting with good lock....
AGAIN I DO WARN ANYONE USING THIS ....THEY DO SO AT THEIR OWN RISK...
but I'm positive that most users will have a pleasant experience and i think a few people having problems with the app is far from proving problems with the app.
SAMSUNG GOOD LOCK is a complex app that modifies the system ui and as such i think its not as user friendly as a normal plug and play app.
that being said i am not promoting the app ...i just like it and think others will too...
if anyone does want to try it. and wants to b sure of no problems let me know , I can help you set it up properly
and anyone trying to uninstall it or having problems with it let me know and I'm sure i can salvage your setup with out 15 hrs of struggle( that's just beyond me) , but I'm sure i can get you into a device that's been locked up by good lock
and please if you know of someplace where i can find the issues you speak of or others experiencing problems of any kind outside of the overdrive thread here, point me in that direction ., PLEASE. i have searched everywhere looking for users with bad experiences and cannot find any. I've exhausted all the keywords i can think of to search for issues with the app.
THIS APPLICATION IS ATTACHED N BETA AS STATED ON GALAXY APP STORE
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i absolutely think that whatever problems you and very few others are having are user error. as long as you don't use fingerprint or password it works infallibly.
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INFALLIBILITY? I used a pin and removed it before installing good lock, and it rebooted and denied access. So much for your infallibility. It is a FALSE claim.
I really don't understand why you denegrate users. YMMV would be a good contention. Saying there are no issues uninstalled correctly but saying its a BETA so all bets are off is talking out of both sides. Giving a surgeon general like warning then saying it really has no problems is the other two sides.
For everyone who loves locked down TouchWiz next gen, great. It's a big world with different preferences. I celebrate that. I'm sure many people that want to avoid custom ROM user interface benefits may be jazzed by a new Samsung software product. Fine. Like you, many may love it. Hooray. Some may have no uninstall issues. Cool man, more power to you. Saying there are negligible users with negligible issues (see google) is only rude.
WHEN INFALLIBILITY FAILS, CALL IT BETA.
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@Rudolpht since you've completely ignored post #4 I'll be blunt and conclude that problem isn't with software, ones and zeros but with you. You've been offered a helpful hand by a user and just spat back I his face. Both threads. KEEP CALM AND KEEP GOING. You remind me of a lady (bystander) that couldn't stfup when I crashed. I told her I'm fine but for the next 30min she couldn't stop, as if she was hurt.
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@Rudolpht since you've completely ignored post #4 I'll be blunt and conclude that problem isn't with software, ones and zeros but with you. You've been offered a helpful hand by a user and just spat back I his face. Both threads. KEEP CALM AND KEEP GOING. You remind me of a lady (bystander) that couldn't stfup when I crashed. I told her I'm fine but for the next 30min she couldn't stop, as if she was hurt.
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Thank you. Same logic. The software is great, the user is the problem. Yay new Samsung.
There has been NO help. No fix. No way out of a hard loop other than start from scratch. Just pretend there isn't a systemui change. Pretend firmware hasn't changed. Pretend there isn't a persistent change to the device that even a wipe won't fix. If you cant pretend it's beta.
But you are very helpful. Thank you.
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No way out of a hard loop other than start from scratch.
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But it's a start. Come on man, you don't seem like a first time user. Starting from scratch is what you sometimes have to do. Yeah it sucks but it still gets you going.
You should know the risks, they are posted all over xda.
Just talk to neo and let him help you. He offered help if you read it. Have a drink/smoke/girl/jerk/etc relax and go at it again till you resolve your issue, with neo guide you as fellow man/user.
im not normally a big fan of touchwiz at all, but as of late the features chat its always had up on other overlays have actially been usable with a custom TW rom that is as smooth as it should have been from the OEM.
the aesthetics is what its always lacked in my opinion, this good lock, will "Eventually" be a good looking option to change it to or at least in my opinion. i stated it had problems right from the beginning....
Everyone should read on their own and decide wether or not an app has developed to a point of their satisfaction so they are willing to risk installing it.
i just saw it and thought some others might be interested and stated my experience with the app that's all i can do. i don't want anyone making the mistake in thinking I'm promoting or even trying to spread the word at all about this app. i just dig it and wanted to share that .
beyond that i noticed some problems and have been able to fix most of em or get around them anyway. maybe i cam help someone else with these problems, because i know even without me the app would have been installed by note 4 users and my experiences might help some one. if not , i tried..
its still running perfectly on my device. for a beta that's not supported on our phones anyway.
its worlds better than stock that's all that matters to me. i cant stand the TW blue and yelwew notifications colors, and i really don't like that its so hard to change colors or backgrounds, icons, text, and every thing else, without hacking in the theme store or really going into theming yourself. something like this implemented right could be a good solution. and i guess a built in app to modify the theme and system ui would be a good next step from the theme store
In description it says beta.
Quickly tried it to see what all the fuss is about and if it would turn my world upside down. It didn't. Uninstalled from within.
I like them shortcuts on the bottom. I think jelly bean JB was the one that had . I liked it, used it and missed it. Instead of 4-5(forget) we now have downgrade of two, phone and camera:angel:
The rest isn't my cup of tea. It's not bad by any means. I've seen and used similar quick settings / notification pull-down in either aosp or cm like two years ago, or so.
With time I've seen dislikes/comments of TW and I've tried cm, aosp, and also top launchers, go/nova/apex/etc. I liked sense in HTC and do like TW in Samsung. Personal preference.
I think it's a great option and some would enjoy it. Hope it develops and becomes stable. Not that I've encountered any problems in 5 minutes of testing install/uninstall.
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But it's a start. Come on man, you don't seem like a first time user. Starting from scratch is what you sometimes have to do. Yeah it sucks but it still gets you going.
You should know the risks, they are posted all over xda.
Just talk to neo and let him help you. He offered help if you read it. Have a drink/smoke/girl/jerk/etc relax and go at it again till you resolve your issue, with neo guide you as fellow man/user.
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Grumble. Good point. Ok. Just don't like the jerk reference (even if I can be one [emoji15] ), and don't like being called a dope for not being able to clean uninstall when clearly Samsung messes up the device.
Hatchet buried. To each his own. I take/took responsibility for installing and shooting myself in the foot.
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Grumble. Good point. Ok. Just don't like the jerk reference (even if I can be one [emoji15] ), and don't like being called a dope for not being able to clean uninstall when clearly Samsung messes up the device.
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I didn't call you a jerk
Read the whole combination of/ / those words, stress relievers.
Not to be explicit, I meant do what ever that calms you down and relieves your stress, so you can resume/continue at fixing your device with a clear head.
xda_johndoe said:
I didn't call you a jerk
Read the whole combination of/ / those words, stress relievers.
Not to be explicit, I meant do what ever that calms you down and relieves your stress, so you can resume/continue at fixing your device with a clear head.
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Knew that, just emoticon unschooled and how to address in polite company. (My jerk point was self depreciation on the noun vs verb.
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Knew that, just emoticon unschooled and how to address in polite company. (My jerk point was self depreciation on the noun vs verb.
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:angel:
I have to watch myself to "abide by rules" of different forums. But even in life, profanity, calling someone female dog or genitalia, and alike is last resort for me. If at all.
Since I can get under someone's skin without it. But generally we all are humans. And I lean towards to respect, foolish the person is or not.
since I'm not perfect myself as all
Watch any available stand-up of Bill Burr on YouTube. Brutal to some, reality for others.
Anyway. Hope you got your device going.
Btw trying to offend or degrade someone, first of all, shows to others what's in your head/mind. Thus actually makes you vulnerable.
All cool.
I have installed good lock once on my Note 4, SM-910G India.
After i installed the fone gets restart and when inprove unlock password(since its showing fingerprint stopped working) it freezes for 1 minute and restarted back to normal and uninstalled automatically.
I think it was due to compatibility issues with note 4. But the look was awesome like stock with good colours.
Any chances Samsung might release officially for Note 4? ?
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I've rolled back to older version.
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I will never try it, even if I was given Note 4s to trash, but it appears like there is a new fav 24.0.9 out for S5 plus ROMs.
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I liked the concept, but no sync quick tile
Is the UI more stable now?? I'll be getting my note 4 today and I want to know if all the bugs been fixed and it won't be buggy or anything like that ??
SO I did some research and found some very interesting info about the bootloader bull**** that is going on with Android.
read about it here.
This means good bye to un locking bootloaders... Mine is unlocked and because of android/google my dam phone keeps showing an aggravating massage that its not trusted when i turn it on ... Im pretty sure now after Nougat, people will be going to Apple in droves...
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SO I did some research and found some very interesting info about the bootloader bull**** that is going on with Android.
read about it here.
This means good bye to un locking bootloaders... Mine is unlocked and because of android/google my dam phone keeps showing an aggravating massage that its not trusted when i turn it on ... Im pretty sure now after Nougat, people will be going to Apple in droves...
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1) This is Sony's choice to allow the unlocking of bootloaders or not, there's no reasons that they don't allow it in the future.
2) Do you know that 90% of android users aren't rooted, so...
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1) This is Sony's choice to allow the unlocking of bootloaders or not, there's no reasons that they don't allow it in the future.
2) Do you know that 90% of android users aren't rooted, so...
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Yes yes.. but...... Google is making it harder to root phones. Nougat will be even worse...
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Yes yes.. but...... Google is making it harder to root phones. Nougat will be even worse...
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Rooting devices with a locked bootloader can be seen as a security exploit, and the ability to do so means that Android is insecure.
What you basically complain about here, is that Google is trying to make Android more secure.
If you want to root your phone, just unlock your bootloader and flash SuperSU. That will always be possible.
The trick is, that unlocking your bootloader will wipe your data partition (hence securing your data from a potential breach when somebody stole your phone). The security warning at the beginning, is to let you, and potential reselling partys know that the bootloader is unlocked, and that with little to no effort all Android internal security measures can be worked around (flash a recovery and root it, and you're a happy data thief).
Of cause from an XDA-Users point of view it looks like that is something bad, but keep in mind that people like the ones you can find on XDA make up a roughly 1% of all Android Users. You need to keep in mind, there are also a lot of business users on Android, and these feel a lot better knowing that there secure company data is save on an Android device. Security used to be one of the major reasons why in the initial Android days nobody was using Android as a business device, and rather was sticking to Apple, cause iOS Devices were a lot securer by that time.
The message at the beginning is one of the reasons why I am still searching for a root exploit on my XP, so I can backup the TA partition and in case I resell it some day I can just relock the bootloader by restoring the partition, but after all, you need to admit that the warning itself is sensible, when you keep the above points in your mind
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Rooting devices with a locked bootloader can be seen as a security exploit, and the ability to do so means that Android is insecure.
What you basically complain about here, is that Google is trying to make Android more secure.
If you want to root your phone, just unlock your bootloader and flash SuperSU. That will always be possible.
The trick is, that unlocking your bootloader will wipe your data partition (hence securing your data from a potential breach when somebody stole your phone). The security warning at the beginning, is to let you, and potential reselling partys know that the bootloader is unlocked, and that with little to no effort all Android internal security measures can be worked around (flash a recovery and root it, and you're a happy data thief).
Of cause from an XDA-Users point of view it looks like that is something bad, but keep in mind that people like the ones you can find on XDA make up a roughly 1% of all Android Users. You need to keep in mind, there are also a lot of business users on Android, and these feel a lot better knowing that there secure company data is save on an Android device. Security used to be one of the major reasons why in the initial Android days nobody was using Android as a business device, and rather was sticking to Apple, cause iOS Devices were a lot securer by that time.
The message at the beginning is one of the reasons why I am still searching for a root exploit on my XP, so I can backup the TA partition and in case I resell it some day I can just relock the bootloader by restoring the partition, but after all, you need to admit that the warning itself is sensible, when you keep the above points in your mind
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No I still do not agree. Maybe they should just show it one time. Or a couple of times. not every friggin time I boot the phone. This is clearly to have people start to really consider NOT rooting there personal property.
When I buy a car. I can do what ever the want with it. Same with a house. But, these phone companies want us to use this device the way THEY want. Why? cause they want to track everything we do on it. Rooting stops that. Rooting enables me to delete apps that are totally useless and take up space and data on the phone. Rooting allows me to edit files, delete files, ad files the way I WANT THE PHONE to work. Not the way THEY want it to work.
It is super easy for these companies to let the new buyer know that the boot loader has been unlocked, let the person click a button to approve the unlock, then move on and let the person use the phone with no further warnings.
This warning is just about the same thing if you would change your cars radio or tires or engine parts, not use the factory parts, and the car would play a alert through the dash board or speakers every time you turn on the car that someone used there own parts, not the factory parts, to fix an issue.
NO I dont agree with you. Its no sensible....
If you think its sensible.... cool... Let people start doing this on every device, washing machines, microwaves, stoves, cars, TV,s stereos..... See how happy people get...
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No I still do not agree. Maybe they should just show it one time. Or a couple of times. not every friggin time I boot the phone. This is clearly to have people start to really consider NOT rooting there personal property.
When I buy a car. I can do what ever the want with it. Same with a house. But, these phone companies want us to use this device the way THEY want. Why? cause they want to track everything we do on it. Rooting stops that. Rooting enables me to delete apps that are totally useless and take up space and data on the phone. Rooting allows me to edit files, delete files, ad files the way I WANT THE PHONE to work. Not the way THEY want it to work.
It is super easy for these companies to let the new buyer know that the boot loader has been unlocked, let the person click a button to approve the unlock, then move on and let the person use the phone with no further warnings.
This warning is just about the same thing if you would change your cars radio or tires or engine parts, not use the factory parts, and the car would play a alert through the dash board or speakers every time you turn on the car that someone used there own parts, not the factory parts, to fix an issue.
NO I dont agree with you. Its no sensible....
If you think its sensible.... cool... Let people start doing this on every device, washing machines, microwaves, stoves, cars, TV,s stereos..... See how happy people get...
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Do you own a car? almost every state has safety inspections, you can't drive around with a compromised airbag/seatbelts/brakes. you'll get pulled over if even a lightbulb is broken. Sure you can do anything to your car, as long as it doesn't compromise its safety.
Do you own a house? every state has safety regulations when building one. Sure you can do anything you want to your house, as long as it doesn't compromise safety.
Android is securing their platform, there's nothing wrong with that. You're even given an OFFICIALLY supported method to root, just unlock the bootloader. You're crying about a warning you only see when you boot the phone for half a second? really? the ENTIRE world Android population needs to be held hostage by crippled security because you don't like a yellow exclamation point on a boot screen for a few milliseconds? Jesus christ the entitlement on some kids
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Oh my... It reminds me of the time when I had an HTC with s-off, every time I booted the phone it showed the joker with the s-off message.
It destroyed my life.!
The phone still works fine though.
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Do you own a car? almost every state has safety inspections, you can't drive around with a compromised airbag/seatbelts/brakes. you'll get pulled over if even a lightbulb is broken. Sure you can do anything to your car, as long as it doesn't compromise its safety.
Do you own a house? every state has safety regulations when building one. Sure you can do anything you want to your house, as long as it doesn't compromise safety.
Android is securing their platform, there's nothing wrong with that. You're even given an OFFICIALLY supported method to root, just unlock the bootloader. You're crying about a warning you only see when you boot the phone for half a second? really? the ENTIRE world Android population needs to be held hostage by crippled security because you don't like a yellow exclamation point on a boot screen for a few milliseconds? Jesus christ the entitlement on some kids
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Come on now... You really think that a phone should be treated this such ridiculous nonsense?
They can secure there platform without the stupid notification. Geez man.. you must really like being under control of corporations...
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Come on now... You really think that a phone should be treated this such ridiculous nonsense?
They can secure there platform without the stupid notification. Geez man.. you must really like being under control of corporations...
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Yes! unlike you some people do serious work with their phones. It's so important Blackberry is banned in some countries over security concerns. This is not a ****ing game.
A warning on your boot screen is not a restriction, it's a compromise. Learn the difference.
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Thread Closed and addressed. This thread and OP has ran it's course....
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Ohhh ook..
Mod Edit.
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