I've just noticed something very strange when viewing PDF documents using Touch HD's built-in Adobe Reader LE 2.5: When zoomed into a document and scrolling horizontally by dragging with the stylus, the scrolling just doesn't stop and continues until the view hits the edge of the document! Is anybody else experiencing this?
Here's what I'm seeing in more detail: I zoom into a document (any document, textual or map-based) far enough that the document more than fills the available viewing area both vertically and horizontally. Then I tap and drag the document horizontally. At this point, after stopping dragging and until I lift the tip of the stylus, the document stops scrolling. But, as soon as I lift the tip of the stylus, the document restarts scrolling in the direction I just dragged it and just doesn't stop until it reaches the edge of the document in the scrolling direction. Trying to "catch" the document with the stylus during the scrolling in order to stop it is of no use.
I think I've also noticed that the first couple of attempts at scrolling immediately after opening a new document works fine. The problem sometimes only shows up in subsequent attempts.
This doesn't happen at all when scrolling vertically by dragging. It happens any time the dragging is "mostly" horizontal, but never when I drag "mostly" vertically.
Scrolling around using the scroll bars (by tapping the scroll bar or arrows, or dragging the scroll bar) works just fine.
Could one of you try this out and let me know if you're seeing the same thing?
Some more insights:
The size of the document doesn't seem to make any difference. Small documents or large, it happens every time.
I've played around with "non-linear" dragging. If I drag in an "L-shaped" motion, it appears that the problem only applies when the horizontal portion of the "L" is longer than its vertical portion. Dragging in circles and other jumbled motions produces mixed results.
I came across a map with "bookmarks", where a little "tab" appears near the top of the viewing area in Adobe Reader. When I click the tab, the window splits into two panes, with the top pane showing the bookmark list and the bottom showing the document. When in this mode, the problem disappears. Scrolling by dragging in either direction works perfectly. (And a little faster, oddly.) After I close the top pane, the problem returns. This is the main reason why I think this is an Adobe Reader bug, rather than a side effect of some other software or a setting change that I have on my Touch HD.
I used several other Windows Mobile devices before this one, and on all of them, the software I used for PDF documents was "Adobe Reader for Pocket PC 2.0". (This includes even my AT&T Tilt running WM 6.1.) This "Adobe Reader LE 2.5" is new to me. I wonder if there would be any adverse effects if I tried the 2.0 reader on my Touch HD. I'm worried it might clash with the built-in reader in some bad way. In fact, I'm sure the "Pocket PC 2.0" version of the reader doesn't support VGA (and higher) resolution screens. (I used to use a utility called "Real VGA" on my only other VGA PDA on which I used the Adobe Reader for Pocket PC 2.0 earlier, in order to get it to display documents at the right resolution.) Does anyone here have any experience related to this?
The whole issue evokes an attempt at "inertial scrolling" (not sure if that's what it's mostly called), where, if you "flick" the document with the stylus, the scrolling continues for a little while longer in the same direction after it slows down and stops. If that's what Adobe Reader is trying to do, it's certainly a failed attempt, because there's no sign of a slow down, it never stops, and this happens every time I scroll horizontally by dragging; i.e., even when I did nothing like a "flick".
Anybody have any relevant experiences?
No PDF users around??... Could I really be the only one here who views maps using the built-in Adobe Reader LE 2.5?!
Got something similar happening with PIE, not that that helps ya much!
When in desktop view, any drag continues until the screen is tapped again.
Hmmm... I don't use Pocket IE at all, but that's an interesting clue. Thanks.
I've noticed the issue with the scrolling on PDF documents that require a lot of rendering (note that "lots of rendering" reflects complexity of the document, not size).
It seems that the processor is too busy rendering the document to detect when you stopped dragging the screen (but funnily enough, not too busy to detect when you started).
The solution for me was to scroll using the scrolling bars, as opposed to just dragging the entire document. Either that, or scroll veeeryyy slowly .
milan_ns said:
I've noticed the issue with the scrolling on PDF documents that require a lot of rendering (note that "lots of rendering" reflects complexity of the document, not size).
It seems that the processor is too busy rendering the document to detect when you stopped dragging the screen (but funnily enough, not too busy to detect when you started).
The solution for me was to scroll using the scrolling bars, as opposed to just dragging the entire document. Either that, or scroll veeeryyy slowly .
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Thank you for your feedback.
I had thought of the same thing about "the CPU being too busy to detect the end of dragging" too. To experiment with that, I tried waiting for the rotating "wait cursor" to disappear before lifting the stylus from the screen after a drag. It didn't change anything.
I must also state that I see the issue even with a 190 KB (i.e., small) PDF document with nothing but text in a table in it. I don't even see any delay or a "wait cursor" at any point when I'm interacting with this document. But, when I'm zoomed into it and I drag to scroll, it causes the same "neverending pan" behavior.
The point about the scroll bars is valid. I was just trying to check first whether the experience was common, or if it might be due to something goofy that I might have done myself. I guess it's the former...
If you press on the screen and then swipe your finger while maintaining pressure and then stop at the point you like, wait for a moment and then release your finger, you will have full control over the distance scrolled.
However, if you really want to make PDF reading a positive experience, intall diamond acrobat reader le cab that enables reflow on the documents that are not even tagged. It is available on this forum.
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If you press on the screen and then swipe your finger while maintaining pressure and then stop at the point you like, wait for a moment and then release your finger, you will have full control over the distance scrolled.
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Nope. Doesn't work for horizontal scrolling. It resumes scrolling in the same direction as soon as I lift my finger and doesn't stop until hits the edge of the document, no matter how long I "wait for a moment".
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However, if you really want to make PDF reading a positive experience, intall diamond acrobat reader le cab that enables reflow on the documents that are not even tagged. It is available on this forum.
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Not a bad idea. I might give that a try. Thanks.
Staying on topic about PDFs.
Does anyone know how a good software for the HD to read PDFs?
I went through Team Ones to PocketXPDF and they all had problems.
Team Ones was the best but it didn't seem to display the whole PDF at all, cutting parts at the end and it was heaps slow.
The Adobe one is just shocking.
Want one that wraps the text to fit the screen no matter what zoom, the Team One did this very well.
Do we have any solution for this? Reader 2.5 LE, with reflow mode enabled (needs a change in the registry) is just PERFECT to read eBooks, except for the horizontal scrolling issue. Because of that, I'm reading books in vertical mode.
does any body know how to disable the touchFlow for the reflow in the adobe reader 2.5?
True. It seems Reader 2.5 LE with reflow hack appears to be the best among all. But reflow can be very bad for certain documents..
What I think would be a perfect companion for Reader 2.5 LE would be a scroll hack app..
What the app should do?
1. User inputs the % he/she zoomed the given page for comfortable viewing.
2. Support tapping the 6 spots on screen see attach.(when the reader is running).
3.Scroll accurately the document into one of the 6 positions.
One input may be sufficient for a multipage documents with same lay out.
May be some more flaws in my idea... but seems possible --- anyone??
Too bad that I don't know prog for PPC.
Any way don't fire this newbie
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Do we have any solution for this? Reader 2.5 LE, with reflow mode enabled (needs a change in the registry) is just PERFECT to read eBooks, except for the horizontal scrolling issue. Because of that, I'm reading books in vertical mode.
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Hi, have the 1.48 rom installed and when using Opera 9.7, pinching to zoom seems to move the page to a random place (hope that makes sense).
For example, when trying to zoom into the pages 1,2,3 of a forum so that I can select the next page, I zoom in but end up looking at a different part of the page. I've tried changing the way I pinch, i.e. up and down, rather than diaganally, but to no avail. Not sure if anyone here has the same problem, or whether its just when viewing xda pages?
Thanks.
It's because the page is reformatted to fit the screen width, after you've zoomed in. So you are actually looking at where you zoomed into, but the content is now in a different place. If you notice, it works perfectly on images (images opened directly, not within a web page) but appears to jump when you zoom on text.
Hope that makes sense.
Yes, it's not a bug, it's because of Opera's text reflow feature. The page will always jump to the left when you zooom in/out if there's text (yeah that sucks!).
But there's actually a pinch-zoom bug on the HD2 related to the native winmo apps (File Explorer, etc..). The fuction suddenly disappears after a while and is only brought back by a soft reset : http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2009/12/26/6-bugs-that-htc-has-to-fix-on-the-hd2/
Thanks for the quick replies guys.
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Test Setup: All tests were performed on the ACS SRF 1.1 rom, with a 1.3ghz overclock and governor set to "on demand". Wireless was over an Actiontec wireless-g router connected to FIOS 30/30 fiber. The phone was connected to a wall plug throughout each test, as I don't think even my extended battery would have lasted 4 hours of screen on time, overclocked, with constant wifi use and cpu stressing. All tests were also performed in landscape mode. No idea if that would have an effect at all on any of the load times or benchmarks, though I doubt it, but it certainly impacted my opinion on usage of screen real-estate.
Test methodology:Before each browser is tested, the phone is restarted and allowed to finish media scanning and settle in for a minute so that each browser has a level playing field. Each site loading test is an average of 3 visits using wifi and after each individual test the cache of the browser is cleared. All load tests are performed with flash "always on" except for Opera Mini which has no flash capability. The Flash rating for the stock Browser was set at 3 so that I may easily score other browsers better or worse than the stock browser. All tests were performed in the exact same spot so that no browser had a stronger wifi signal. All of the rundowns that I give in the second post are basically play by plays of things I discover about the browsers as I use them and my particular gripes with them.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Flash Video: I used the site http://labs.worldtv.com/ to compare playback in each browser.
*Bookmark import is specifically to import bookmarks from the stock browser. Many of these browsers have options to sync with a particular service or with your computer's bookmarks.
Best Flash content browser: Opera Mobile Web Browser
Best everyday browser: Miren/Dolphin Browser Mini/Opera/Dolphin Browser HD
Coolest feature: Miren Panorama mode, Opera Mobile amazing flash playback
Best potential: Firefox v4.0.1
Note: Nothing here is scientific although I have tried to reduce as many variables as possible while testing. A lot of the things I tested were judgement calls on my part, especially relating to flash, scrolling and p2z behavior. Also, my opinions/needs may not be the same as yours.
Browser Rundowns
now w/links
Stock Browser: meh. I am usually a giant fan of stock browsers, and used one up until Froyo hit. This thing is just buggy and annoying. Also, a lot of you have used it so judge for yourselves.
Miren Browser: This is pretty much my daily browser, so I am obviously biased. Amazing gesture controls and a wide array of settings. Allows you to see tabs on screen, auto hide tabs, set tabs to always be on screen, etc. Same for the address bar. Full screen mode maximizes space for the website. Launch page gets you 8 shortcuts, search, URL, downloads, history, bookmarks links. Of course you can disable this launch page. Panorama mode loads each webpage to the "right" of the previous one, so a quick swipe from the left to the right pulls up INSTANTLY the page you were just on. Allows for VERY quick browsing.
UC Browser English: Separate search and URL fields, not interchangeable. When you hit menu>Search you can't begin typing, which is annoying, you have to hit the text field. By the end of the test this annoyed me way to much to admit. Settings are confusing. A third of the screen is wasted with buttons and the name of the current site you are on and the notification bar. Full Screen gets rid of all controls. No address bar, you have to hit Menu>URL to enter a new address. Doesn't render a google search correctly. UA options annoying as hell. Had to manually type in URL's for some desktop sites. Startup page is a lesson in how to waste space. Built in file browser . . . don't get the need for that. Night Mode and day mode brightness settings, reading mode. Browser infuriated me personally. Took 5x longer to test than any other. Had to go to the mobile site on my desktop, then click the "full site" link, then chrome2phone it to my phone and choose this browser from the list I had installed for CNN and Engadget. And since there is no address bar to tell you the URL you are currently at, I had to do this for every test, as I wasn't using "refresh" to test the web page loading times. Flash appears to be "always on" with no apparent way to adjust this. I hate this browser.
Angel Browser: Seriously the most amazing array of settings that I have seen on a browser. Force closed on my constantly though. Had to uninstall it and re-install and reboot several times. Literally couldn't visit a single website without it force closing, which made testing . . . . difficult. The custom gestures are AMAZING. I personally have no use for them, but some of you will. Allows you to perform almost any action by a custom drawing of your choosing. Want to go to google.com when you draw a goat on the screen, this browser can do it. Not a fan of not having an address bar visible. You should install this thing just to see the plethora of settings and options, its frankly amazing. Couldn't get a single one of them to work since this browser refused to even go to one of its default bookmarks "google.com", but damn the possibilities if it didn't completely stink. If you could get this to work, please tell me how you did it.
Dolphin Browser HD: Allows for extensive customizability with a ton of add ons that each add a certain functionality. Gesture controls are fantastic. Visible address bar when you scroll to the top of a page or hit the menu button. Tabs and address bar disappear as you scroll. One of the uglier browsers upon initial install, it allows for theming through the settings. A nice amount of UA settings allows you to visit desktop pages automatically. A bit of wasted space in the tabs and address bar. I personally was never a fan of Dolphin HD, but after testing it and looking through the settings and theming options, I am hard pressed to explain why anymore. Pretty sure you can make this browser into anything you want it to be. Don't have time to extensively customize this to my liking, but I recommend you check it out if thats your kinda thing.
Opera Mobile Web Browser: Absolutely beautiful start page. Simple and well laid out. Trades Menu button functionality for a big red O in the bottom right corner, not a fan of that. Beautiful animation when you hit the URL or search text input fields. Hope my first google search on it was a fluke, as it took nearly 30 seconds . . . Absolutely DESTROYING the other browsers in the Acid3 and HTML5 and V8 tests. URL and search field slides away as you scroll down, but a sixth of the screen is absolutely wasted by the navigation bar. Luckily you can turn this off in the settings so that it only appears when you hit the menu key. I guess that is the functionality they saved for the menu key. URL field will not search like the stock browser does. Search field saves your previous search, which is a pain because you have to click on it and then delete it. Pretty sparse settings options. The fewest easily of any browser tested until this point. Holy java did it destroy the other browsers in sunspider .91. WOW. Easily the best yet in playing flash, but disappointingly has the worst flash controls. Double tapping does not fit the video to the window size. Nearly flawlessly played the flash video. It puts the stock browser to shame with its flash playback. For this reason alone you should all have it installed. Yet another browser that refuses to give desktop websites, and this one has no UA settings to change. If its anything like the windows mobile version there is an "about:config" you can delve into for more settings, but its disappointing that they didn't include that in the main settings. Yep, opera:config gets you into more settings, but instead of telling you what UA you are spoofing they give you numbers, great, thanks opera. 1 is opera, 2 is firefox and 3 is IE6. Aaaaaaaand none of them seem to do anything for cnn.com. Had to use the chrome2phone trick. CNN optimizing for Opera or something?? Not using Turbo mode either. Had to run them twice and make sure everything was loading on the page. Looks like somebody isn't getting uninstalled immediately after I am done testing. May have spoken too soon, just crashed on me. Engadget also doesn't give me an option for the full site. WTH. The browser seems to get stuck sometimes loading a page. The page is fully loaded and scrollable, but the progress bar never finishes. No other browser has done that.
Edit: Just realized this browser is 30mb. That is gigantic. At least you can move it to SD, but still . . . Maybe the size is why its so smooth??
Opera Mini web browser: Wow, this looks pretty damn similar to Opera Mobile. Who would have thought. *Acid3 test is kinda invalid because it rendered the page all sorts of messed up. It got a great score but it certainly did not pass the test. Not looking good for this one, html5 score is pathetic. It can barely render the browsermark test. Correction, it CANNOT render the browsermark test. Seriously, why does this browser even exist when Opera has one that destroys all of those tests and looks IDENTICAL. Also, doesn't look like this browser supports flash either. So far this is the most pathetic browser I have tested. It looks beautiful but is the only one that has failed these basic browser tests. Just failed sunspider. Wow. *And there is no option to clear the cache. So these results should be faster than the others. Yea, its basically just reading from the cache, these test numbers are worthless except for the initial page launch. CNN number is invalid, I will do the others with only the initial page load. There we go, back to normal. Upon reloading a page, it would always take 2.5 seconds, which is obviously just reading from cache, which you cannot clear. I would rather have the non functional Angel Browser installed than this browser.
Skyfire:Immediately I hate this browser. The menu button is basically worthless because they load it with links to facebook and twitter and you have to scroll all the way to the right to get to options. And then the options only deals with the stupid links that the menu button brings up. Basically the menu button is completely wasted and the settings are hidden in a down arrow to the top right of the browser. Good amount of settings. Nothing special though. URL and search and controls hide while you scroll, which is good. When you search, it brings up a bunch of stupid links like facebook and stocks and twitter and amazon which consumes a quarter of the screen. Getting on my nerves and I haven't run the first test yet. Everything was going well in the Browsermark test, until it failed. God, that menu pops up everytime you do anything. Who needs a link to facebook THAT handy that its never more than an inch away and one tap from being launched? If I remember correctly, Skyfire does server side rendering for flash video content, so the flash test should be HEAVILY in its favor. And it gets the slowest sunspider .91 score of all the browsers. *OK, flash is weird on this thing. Its mediocre directly as a flash player. Worse than the stock browser but not awful. It gives you the option though, when a video is present, to tap a "video" button that is on that menu bar ive been talking about, and then they will basically transcode the video on the server and serve it to you in presumably HTML5, which is very smooth, but also a very wonky solution. At least the UA that is used allows for the full site option on all of the websites I tried. Force closes whenever I try and open bookmarks. Super.
Boat Browser Mini: This is the browser that caused the thread where I came up with the stupid idea to run these tests and posted that I would. Better be worth it. Off to a good start. Minimalist look with a start page "about:blank". Signs of good things to come? Menu button is actually functional, imagine that Skyfire developers . . . . Baidu option in the settings leads me to believe this is a chinese developed browser much like Miren. Very clean settings layout and a fair amount of settings, nothing special though. Haha, testing what the buttons did and apparently it doesn't like it when you try and bookmark "about:blank", it crashes instead. Very iPhoney like feel to it, if that makes any sense. Love the universal URL and search bar, just like chrome has. Every browser should have that in my opinion. Weird, looks like a bunch of settings snuck out of the settings menu and made it to a seperate "advanced" menu. Not liking that your two choices seem to be to have the browser in full screen mode where you lose the address bar and navigation controls or having it in normal mode where the address bar tucks away nicely but the navigation controls needlessly take up the bottom fifth of my screen in landscape. Wow, this browser really doesn't like NYT.com.
xScope Browser - Web & File: Copy chromes look much? Not that I'm complaining, but wow blatant. Hmm, menu button hides everything and puts it in fullscreen. Neat fly-in effects. Settings menu is annoying. Not a ton you can tweak, but a good amount. Theming seems to be available as well. Again, love the universal address bar. Wow does this browser waste screen space though. Almost half of the screen in landscape is taken up by the notification bar, address bar, tabs and navigation bar. No settings to auto hide these, which is lame. File browser is comical. Ever open up "c:\" in a browser on your desktop, thats its file browser. Tabs are visible on top, and their is also a button in the navigation bar. They seriously want to give you access to your tabs. Hmm, scrolling auto hides the notification bar, but leaves the gigantic tabs, address bar and navigation bar. Smart. Certainly scoring well in the synthetic benchmarks. Ugh, this waste of screen space is annoying me. Why are you not tucking away like a lot of the other browsers do? This thing was obviously not designed to play flash. It plays, but the window is all over the place. Double tapping makes it semi full screen, but then double tapping again does nothing. You have to pinch the screen to see the address bar or navigation controls again. Flash is not its strong suit. This is literally the only browser I tested that had the NYT hide its full screen page. Every other browser had the option to view the full site. Had to change the UA from "computer" to "ipad". Weak. This settings menu is seriously pissing me off its so terrible. This browser makes me feel like I am back in the Windows Mobile days with the extra small menus obviously not designed for input from the human finger.
Maxthon: Universal URL and search bar is a plus. Not a fan of the default color, but there are theming options available. The address bar tucks away when you scroll leaving the tabs up top, which is how I usually like things, but there is a massive navigation bar at the bottom which I cannot remove in the settings without going full screen. There doesn't seem to be an option to set flash to "on demand" and I am unsure by looking at the settings whether it supports flash at all. Everytime you touch the screen you get a button popping up allowing you to go full screen and next to it is a button that allows you to go into WAP mode. This button changes to an "add rss feed" button if you are on a compatible website. Not a fan of the gesture drawing on the screen, but that is probably because I am not a big gesture guy. You can turn off gestures in the settings which gets rid of the drawing of your touch. There is flash and it works about the same as the stock browser. Would like to be able to set flash to ondemand though.
Dolphin Browser Mini: Upon loading it up for the first time, it looks almost identical to Dolphin Browser HD. Gone are the right and left panels which I did not care for in Dolphin Browser HD, but left behind are AMAZING customizable gesture controls. The settings menu is simple and straightforward and fair amount to tweak. The add-ons from Dolphin Browser HD are gone. This is basically a simple version of that browser, which I kind of like. The menu button is simple and gives you quick access to bookmarks and settings. I don't get why they take up 30% of the menu with a tab switcher though when the tabs are always present at the top of the screen. Maybe if you were in fullscreen mode it would be useful. There is an options button next to the address bar which is really useful. Gives you the option to send/share/save a page and also a "find on page" option, which is awesome. One thing I don't like is that you have to click Menu>toolbox>settings, just an extra step and overall not that big of a deal. Toolbox gives you some great options like taking a screenshot of an entire webpage or backing up your settings or private browsing for those times that you don't want your phone logging what you are looking at.
Firefox v4.0.1: At first glance there seems to be very little to tweak in the settings for this browser. Once you get playing with it for a while, you see kind of why this is. This is a VERY well thought out browser. The address bar is also can be used for search by tapping the magnifying glass and choosing a service. Swipe to the right and it reveals your tabs on the left of the screen. Swipe to the left and it reveals your navigation controls on the right of the screen. The menu button brings up settings and add-ons, which look like they will be very useful. There seems to be a fair bit of checkerboarding while pinching to zoom and scrolling. Wow, this browser certainly is well built. 2nd highest Acid3 score and best HTML5, Browsermark AND Sunspider score. Aaaaand no flash support. OK, it seems like Firefox is missing User Agent switching in the settings. Had to download an add-on called "phony" to enable that feature. Kind of mediocre loading times for webpages, which is DOUBLY surprising because 1) Firefox isn't loading flash which almost all of the other browsers had to do, and 2) Firefox had by far the best cumulative benchmark scores. Wow, some cool site options when you visit a site. If you tap the site icon on the top left you get site options such as saving the page as a pdf, find in page and sharing options. ***Ran a bunch of tests on Firefox 5.0 beta, and it appears to be nearly identical performance wise to 4.0.1. They added a few new features and the browser seems to be a little smoother and more polished. Also, neither v4.0.1 or v5.0 likes Launcher Pro running in the background at all. Everytime I press the home button I have to wait for LauncherPro to startup again. May be an issue with my particular setup, although no other browsers did this.
Dolphin Browser HD v5.0: Setting up this browser for the testing is a TREAT. The settings are vast and its easily the prettiest looking settings menu I have seen on any of the browsers. I hope the rest of the browser carries over these awesome UI elements. Really like the universal search and address bar. The browser looks pretty much like the Dolphin Browser HD that you know. The tabs and address bar tuck away when you scroll like the default browser. Looks like version 5.0 is scoring the exact same as the previous version in the acid3, v8 and html5 benchmarks, so don't expect any major performance boost by updating, but you can rest assured that you aren't going to update to something thats slower I guess. The amazing customizable gestures remain as do the add ons and the quick swipe left or right to access them or bookmarks respectively. Pinching to zoom seems to be improved in this version as well.
I use Dolphin and I love it. Opera is faster (atleast it seems so), but it doesn't let me log into Sprint.com (wont allow me to select the password field). So I just stick with Dolphin. I'm ALWAYS interested in trying out something new, though!
I'll give SRF stock browser a try, I've never even touched it. lol
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I use Dolphin and I love it. Opera is faster (atleast it seems so), but it doesn't let me log into Sprint.com (wont allow me to select the password field). So I just stick with Dolphin. I'm ALWAYS interested in trying out something new, though!
I'll give SRF stock browser a try, I've never even touched it. lol
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Its fast, but buggy. Doesn't like auto-rotation either.
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For this reason alone you should all have it installed. Yet another browser that refuses to give desktop websites, and this one has no UA settings to change. If its anything like the windows mobile version there is an "about:config" you can delve into for more settings, but its disappointing that they didn't include that in the main settings. Yep, opera:config gets you into more settings, but instead of telling you what UA you are spoofing they give you numbers, great, thanks opera. 1 is opera, 2 is firefox and 3 is IE6. Aaaaaaaand none of them seem to do anything for cnn.com. Had to use the chrome2phone trick. CNN optimizing for Opera or something?? Not using Turbo mode either.
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You can change the user agent, although its not as easy as it should be, the upside it that it works almost 100%.
Open Opera 11, enter opera:config in your URL-bar, hit enter. The second last point in the menu is USER PREFS, click on it.
Now you will be presented with a very long list of customization options. Go and find "User Agent Strings". This field is blank as default.
Now you can put one user agent of your choice into that list:....
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Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 6.0; U; en) Presto/2.7.39 Version/11.00
Found it here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12288976&postcount=15
Ya need to include Maxthon browser.
It is the best looking one,had themes,faster than Dolphin HD and goes back to previous page instantly without realoding it!
I been using nothing but Dolphin HD for a year now but im begining to like Maxthon more,only thing that Dolphin HD got that i miss is swypeble side panels.Other than that Maxthon is better in every way.
I need second opinion on this one,is it me or is Maxthon actualy faster at loading pages than Dolphin HD?
Maxthon reminds me of Miren but better looking and more polished and faster.
Now that is how you do tests, nice work, but if you looked at the memory and cpu time those browsers use (other then stock) its crazy, I forget what the worst one was 4 months ago when I tested on my Moment, I think Miren was the worst.
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Now that is how you do tests, nice work, but if you looked at the memory and cpu time those browsers use (other then stock) its crazy, I forget what the worst one was 4 months ago when I tested on my Moment, I think Miren was the worst.
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Wouldn't doubt it with the panorama mode. We are pretty well off with ram though, so ram was less of a concern for me to test.
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Ya need to include Maxthon browser.
It is the best looking one,had themes,faster than Dolphin HD and goes back to previous page instantly without realoding it!
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Added to the OP.
If you use Opera 11 for desktop, you can import bookmarks using Opera Link.
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If you use Opera 11 for desktop, you can import bookmarks using Opera Link.
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Haha, if only I could get Maxthon's theme w/ dolphin. It'd be perfect!
Angel Browser seems to work fine for me, it feels pretty quick on some sites, but on heavy sites it does slow down quite a bit.
In V8 I got 208 @ 1ghz, similar in performance to Dolphin Mini.
There sure are a lot of options, not really sure what do with all of them.
Overstew said:
Haha, if only I could get Maxthon's theme w/ dolphin. It'd be perfect!
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Yeah i feel same way.Another thing that Dolphin could use is instant back button,Maxthon can go back a page without having to reload it,it saves alot of time.
But i would reather have Maxthon with Dolphin interface(the way Dolphin's menus work but keep Maxthon's look) because i think that Maxthon loads pages quicker and thats with flash enabled,now imagine how quick they would load if Maxthon had option to dissable flash.
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If you use Opera 11 for desktop, you can import bookmarks using Opera Link.
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Yea. A few browsers had similar options. I was trying to limit it to importing bookmarks from the stock browser on the device.
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Angel Browser seems to work fine for me, it feels pretty quick on some sites, but on heavy sites it does slow down quite a bit.
In V8 I got 208 @ 1ghz, similar in performance to Dolphin Mini.
There sure are a lot of options, not really sure what do with all of them.
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I wish I could get it to work just to try out all of those settings. The thing refuses to work for me though.
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I wish I could get it to work just to try out all of those settings. The thing refuses to work for me though.
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Strange, which rom are you using?
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Strange, which rom are you using?
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ACS SRF 1.1.
Just tried installing it again. Force closes the instant I try and visit a website.
What no dolphin browser mini? =/
Wow opera is so much better theb skyfire or dolphin feel wise
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I pretty much gave up on browser switching when I found dolphin mini. Its fast even on 1x and NEVER force closes. The start page bookmarks makes following phandroid and engadget even easier than their native apps.
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Hi guys,
I have updated my device to Gingerbread however the stock browser does not scroll all the way down. It seems to stop and then i can scroll and then stop again. Its really annoying but i cannot seem to find any setting for this. I have tried another browser and it does not do this anymore.
Also the stock browser doesnt seem to text wrap anymore.
Has anybody experienced this as well?
Anyone have any ideas as to how to fix this?
Thanks,
-c
It's a known Bug in Samsungs Gingerbread Roms
I'm running JVO, downloaded directly from Samsung servers.
I have a complex page with several panes and 20 pictures opened on the browser. If I swipe the finger slowly up, it scrolls almost to the end, if I do it faster, it scrolls to the bottom of the page.
To have the text wrap and fit the screen width you have to activate that option on settings, by default it's inactive.
Zooming on the browser also works fine, I don't see what other people are complaining about on other threads.
its not a bug, the stock browser dose it it self,on the gingerbread roms the stock browser is morelike a IOS its dos not scroll all the way down, it scrolls 2-3 pages at one time!!! search before u make a new thread!
and about the text wraping, look into you settings.
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its not a bug, the stock browser dose it it self,on the gingerbread roms the stock browser is morelike a IOS its dos not scroll all the way down, it scrolls 2-3 pages at one time!!! search before u make a new thread!
and about the text wraping, look into you settings.
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why would you want to scroll 2-3 pages ??
if it was a feature, there would be a setting to disable it...
I have JVO as well but mine doesnt browse smoothly across the whole page.
vcespon I don't understand why yours is not doing this as well
I have 2.3.3, i9000xxjvo
Same problem here pretty annoying!
Hey all, I like using the phone one handed and zoom buttons are essential. I also like being able to zoom with just a tap, as opposed to more convoluted methods (xScope/Naked Browser, I'm looking at you...). But the stock Android zoom buttons are ugly and less functional than the ones I had way back when on 2.2 (Bionix for the Samsung Vibrant).
Could anyone tell me where in could find the images for the Zoom buttons? I'd like to replace them with the ones from an older ROM, mentioned above. Think it would be somewhere in the SystemUI.apk?
If anyone is curious, the buttons I would prefer are transparent circles with a black outline. They're a good bit easier to press and you can see elements that would otherwise be obscured.
I'm the developer of Naked Browser. Naked Browser has the option to enable/disable the zoom buttons. It also has the option to enable/disable one-finger zoom. It also allows zoom with just a double-tap. Am I missing something?
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I'm the developer of Naked Browser. Naked Browser has the option to enable/disable the zoom buttons. It also has the option to enable/disable one-finger zoom. It also allows zoom with just a double-tap. Am I missing something?
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Oh snap. No, it's just that one-finger drag zoom has poor performance (just isn't as smooth as it is on xScope). But I love your browser. It's why I mentioned it specifically. My niggle isn't to do specifically with Naked Browser or any other app, it's a system conflict. I think the stock zoom buttons are ugly and I want to swap them out with the zoom buttons I used on a different browser. It's easier to tap a round circle than it is to hit a little tic-tac. Also, the zoom buttons sometimes obscure elements in the bottom right and I have to wait until they fade out, so the transparent zoom circle buttons I mentioned in the first post would solve both of these issues. Rather than having you bloat up your fantastically minimal app, I'd prefer to do my own tinkering and fix the zoom buttons across my system.
I just wanted to say, your browser is fantastic. I found out about it just randomly perusing the big Android Themes and Apps forum and gave it a try. It's my default browser now. While I have your attention, if I could make a suggestion: you know how you have the swipe-from-edge toggle so the menu bars don't appear with unexpected frequency? It works great for making sure the bookmarks bar only opens with deliberate swipes. However, if you could provide a separate toggle for the address and tab bar, that'd be great. I never had a problem with the top bars appearing unintentionally. It's not much of a nuisance. However, in one-handed use, I have to reposition the phone in my hand and then swipe from the top to bring down that bar. On a big phone like the Nexus 4, you can understand how that extra little bit of effort adds up over a long browsing session.
Very cool. Thank you very much.
Let me address what you brought up:
One finger zoom in Naked Browser isn't as smooth as it is on xScope because:
- xScope is for newer devices. Naked Browser supports Froyo and newer and so far I've found that that kind of zooming isn't easy on older devices. That's really not much of an excuse because I could work on it. However, it could take days to figure out. I'm focusing on other features and bug fixes right now. Furthermore,
- I haven't used xScope in a long time but one finger zoom seems to work good enough in Naked Browser (no?). For comparison, it seems to work like crap in Google Maps, last I checked.
Regarding changing the zoom button pix, I use a smaller screen than you so I don't like the +/- buttons in a browser. I pinch zoom and I do it with one hand: small phone / big hands. Regardless, I'm adding your request to my list of items for the pro version.
Regarding adding the separate option for the menu gestures, I added those options (double swipe & swipe from edge) as afterthoughts. I feel that an experienced user of Naked Browser should turn both of these off because they've developed a feel for the menus, knowing instinctively how to avoid opening the bookmarks sidebar and top menu. For me it took about a week to get comfortable with it. Now, I think it is very efficient.
That being said, I may have messed up the gesture settings for larger screens as I don't have a tablet. What do you think about all this? Is it very hard to avoid opening the bookmarks menu? Tell me more about it, please.
Anyway, I hope you have luck changing the +/- on your devices and I do appreciate your feedback on Naked Browser. You're one of the few people I've seen mention stuff like this. Got my attention!
This is hijacking your thread for my app, so if you want to PM me or join me in the xda naked browser thread the feel free.
Thanks again, man. :good:
Hey, you've got a great app and I certainly don't mind helping it get more exposure. I know it's not a priority for you right now, but if it gets really popular, I'm sure you'll add a ton of lightweight features. That's how xScope became the best browser on Gingerbread!
On my Nexus 4, I've found that the bookmarks menu shows up by accident much more often than the URL/tab bar, and it's much more obtrusive when it does. It'd be nice to disable the bookmarks bar. I actually use the bookmarks menu a ton, so perhaps a better option would be to incorporate the menu button menu with the the bookmarks menu.
Also, I'm not sure if my options are causing it or its an inherent behavior, but it's inconvenient to have to scroll all the way to the top to bring up the URL/tab bar. I really wouldn't mind if it appeared every time I made any downward swipe. Maybe to accommodate other users, make the top half or quarter of the screen a zone that can pull up the URL/tab bar when the user swipes down from that region.
I basically want the navigation features of xScope but with the minimal, clean appearance of Naked Browser. I stopped using xScope because it's so bloated and unstable now. Naked Browser is 90% perfect for me. The 10% is just the menu behavior and tab navigation. xScope, for example, uses double tap and left/right to navigate between adjacent tabs while double tap and up/down to zoom. But if this decreases performance as it did on xScope, I'm happy with Naked Browser the way it is.
Maybe I need to optimize the swipe sensitivity for devices like the Nexus 4. I need to check one out, but for now the next update will reduce sensitivity somewhat. Regarding the separate gesture options, I had thought about adding them but I was resistant because I don't want to clutter the options view. However, I think it is the right thing to have and you've convinced me of how sorely it is needed. The next update will have them! I've tried it out and I like it.
If you press the device menu key it should show the top menu from anywhere on the page. Devices without a menu key should have 3 dots in a row that act as the menu key. Making it appear for every downward swipe is an interesting idea. I think that this would be more suited for larger screens though. I will make a note of this idea. There already is an option to start gestures from the screen edge for both URL bar and sidebar.
I haven't used xScope in years and it doesn't run on any of my devices. I think that if you give Naked Browser some time (about a week) you'll start to become accustomed to the menus. If you can get past the frustrating phase I think that you may find that the menus are very efficient. Of course, if the gesture sensitivity is wrong for your device then that's a different story. I really need to check this out.
Double-tap and swipe to change tabs shouldn't cause much of a performance problem (although I'd have to try it out to know for sure). I was going to allow customizations of this sort of thing in the pro version. For example, double tap and swipe to go quickly to the very top or bottom of the web page. The volume buttons could be used in the same way.
Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate it!
I figured out where the zoom buttons are. They're in framework-res.apk/res/drawable-xhdpi.