Beware: the camera lens on the back of our SGS II is made of cheap plastic. I learned the hard way.
Yesterday I was using the camera and all was really good. Today all photos were blurred. I checked and noticed a small bend, yes a bend, right in the middle of the camera lens. It is not a scratch, which has been my concern since buying the SGS2, it was a bend. I may be wrong, but glass should not bend, it scratches. Now I don't have a lens anymore, I have a prism.
The phone did not fall, or was treated badly. Most probably, I put it in my pants' front pockets, as I have done for years with my HTC phones (horrible cameras btw, compared to the sgs2), there may have been a contact with a harder surface (a key, maybe, but I don't suppose so), and the lens bended. It's a real pity. I'm considering now removing the "lens" as it is not the actual lens, just a cover I guess, and see if this works.
This may be the best and most expensive cell phone right now, why couldn't Samsung put a real glass (like apple does, btw) to protect the camera?
I hope this warning helps others not to get into the same problem. Maybe using a leather pouch can prevent this from happening (I was using the mesh cover case).
A previously super happy owner, now a very desolate one...
what did you do to your phone? Don't blame samsung for something you physically you did.
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thats strange? a bit of plastic with those dimensions shouldn't bend at all, unless put under direct heat and pressure? :S
can you post pictures taken and a picture of the lens?
I don't have another camera with me to photograph the lens. Besides, it is hard to see the bend, you need the correct angle for the light to hit it and be able to see. But attached is a picture I took with the cell. Kind of artsy...
I would have thought that if it did actually have a bend in it (which seems like an awfully difficult thing to have done), that it would cause a distortion and not just producing a blurry pic like that.
Looks more like something has been smeared across the lens cover.
It's not the lens that bended, it's the protective screen on top of the lense. Looks like glass to me, but it's possible to be plastic. Any way, i doubt it could bend unless you put a lot of pressure on it.
As I said, it was in the front pocket of a not so tight pants, so there might be little pressure, normal pressure as every cell phone suffers in this situation, but nothing exceptional, not much. Nobody sat on my lap as well... That would be a worthy reason at least.
I've had smartphones for the last 6 years, done the same thing since. I'm not asking for a replacement or whatever, so I have no reason to minimize my responsibility.
My point in posting is that it happened. Just trying let others know to not make the same mistake. It is not as solid a construction as, say, the HTC HD2. It needs more care.
Just beware, hope it does not happen to others.
PS: And no heat also, not a teenager anymore to have so much heat near the crotch area...
PPS: Yes, it is the protective screen. My hope is I can get rid of it, and have my camera back. Unprotected, but taking photos, with lots of care from now on...
OP, stupid question: that lens glass out of the box was protected with a transparent plastic film I think, just like the screen. Did you remove it?
Can you make a shot of the lens using a bathroom mirror perhaps, in macro mode?
mbernstein said:
I've had smartphones for the last 6 years, done the same thing since. I'm not asking for a replacement or whatever, so I have no reason to minimize my responsibility.
My point in posting is that it happened. Just trying let others know to not make the same mistake. It is not as solid a construction as, say, the HTC HD2. It needs more care.
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I agree with your here. The way Samsung designed the back of the phone makes it very easy to scratch/ even bend (like it happened to you) the protective screen. I had a HTC Touch HD before and the back of the camera could never touch the surface where the phone was put. With Samsung if you put your phone on a rugged area you might end up damaging the protective screen easily.
Have you been using the LED as a torch or anything like that? Perhaps the heat could have warped the plastic?
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OP, stupid question: that lens glass out of the box was protected with a transparent plastic film I think, just like the screen. Did you remove it?
Can you make a shot of the lens using a bathroom mirror perhaps, in macro mode?
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Sure, I took the plastic out. I saw no point in having a very good phone camera weakened by the plastic.
I tried to take the photo you asked, but was not successful. But as I said it was a very small bend, which makes the light enter the lens like a prism. Very difficult to photograph with a normal camera.
Actually, there was a power outage in the area I'm in now, but I don't recollect to use torch that much... I remember I used it for a while, the used some screen light, then on to Kindle. Id on't suppose it was torch, but could it really be so silly like this?!
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Sure, I took the plastic out. I saw no point in having a very good phone camera weakened by the plastic.
I tried to take the photo you asked, but was not successful. But as I said it was a very small bend, which makes the light enter the lens like a prism. Very difficult to photograph with a normal camera.
Actually, there was a power outage in the area I'm in now, but I don't recollect to use torch that much... I remember I used it for a while, the used some screen light, then on to Kindle. Id on't suppose it was torch, but could it really be so silly like this?!
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Wow, I just tried pushing on mine with my nail, it moves a teeny tiny bit, but it springs right back up Maybe something in your pocket just happened to touch the middle of that little piece of plastic, and just managed to apply enough force to bend it beyond the recovery point, so your plastic piece did not spring back up.
I fully understand what you mean now. But not sure what your options are. It is clearly a physical damage. I would not advise trying to take that piece out and bend it straight, you will mess up the actual lens.
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A previously super happy owner, now a very desolate one...
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flash back stock firmware, reset custom download counter with jig, return under warranty saying the camera takes blurry pictures
godutch said:
flash back stock firmware, reset custom download counter with jig, return under warranty saying the camera takes blurry pictures
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I believe warranty doesn't cover physical damage though.
Ingvarr said:
I believe warranty doesn't cover physical damage though.
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they wont know if you dont tell them plus they wont inspect the phone in that detail closely at the camera, worth a try. IF you bough it from a store, bring it back there and get a replacement.
Hi,
I have the same issue as yours.
Where is your SGS2 made in when you take out the battery and look at the back sticker?
Mine says "Made in China"
Wonder if yours is made in Korea or China.
Please share~
I would send it in too, your chances are good to get it repaired!
Mine is made in: Korea
I would try to replace it if I had bought it in my country. I bought it through a friend from Xpansys US (a UK phone), and I'm now in Brazil. I guess I would have so many troubles with customs here to send it out and back with no guarantee to have it replaced...
My idea is not to take the plastic out, and try to fix it. It is to just take out. I will have a hole there, but there will be nothing distorting light that comes into the lens. I will have to be extra careful, but considering how easy the plastic which was supposed to protect the camera was damaged, extra care is the name of this phone for me.
And I'm not complaining about SGS2's plastic finish as opposed to the metal/glass ones of iPhone or HTC. I actually like this, including the back cover. After you get used to it, it is kind of cool. And it is light. I just wished there was a cover or that Samsung used a hard glass on the camera, or perhaps that the plastic was so tiny and receeded that nothing could reach it. I always like the way Sony and Nokia used to put a sliding cover over the camera lens in their phones. With such a thin phone as ours, I wouldn't mind the extra thickness. Or like my HTC Kaiser, where the plastic was actually on the cover. If it was scratched or broken you could replace the back cover... Sorry, just venting my frustration.
Don't leave that hole uncovered. Your lens will get dirty in no time. Pocket lint , dust and dirt will accumulate in there and break the lens autofocus mechanism. Just don't even think about leaving that hole uncovered.
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Hey guys, I'm an avid photo enthusiast. I've been less than impressed with the Mytouch 3G camera sharpness to say the least. With apps like "FXcamera" and "vignette" ive been using the phone to take little artsy snap shots more and more.
Today i realized when i took my battery cover off the camera sharpness improved 100X!!! so much better! The crappy flimsy plastic that HTC used in the battery cover is naturally foggy and causes light to streak in pictures.
So in the end i took an Xacto knife and removed the little plastic window from my battery door.
My phone can now take sharp pictures all the time.
I thought I'd share this bit of info! Try it yourself... take a couple shots without the battery cover! Hope this can help my fellow frustrated MT3G owners
don't know about the MT3G, but the Magic (Vodafone) doesn't have any foil on the camera hole on the battery cover...
but though, thanks for sharing
sirdani said:
don't know about the MT3G, but the Magic (Vodafone) doesn't have any foil on the camera hole on the battery cover...
but though, thanks for sharing
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Not talking about the foil. Talking about actually removing the plastic glass thats attached to the battery cover. So theres just a hole instead of having "glass". that little peice of fake glass destroys the cameras quality. if you take a couple shots without your battery door you'll notice a huge improvment.
dills84 said:
Not talking about the foil. Talking about actually removing the plastic glass thats attached to the battery cover. So theres just a hole instead of having "glass". that little peice of fake glass destroys the cameras quality. if you take a couple shots without your battery door you'll notice a huge improvment.
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I think he was saying that the Magic already has a hole in the battery cover, there is no fake glass piece
might be a good tip for MT3G users though!
Your not worried about the camera lens itself getting dirty? I love taking pics too and they always seem to have a hazy/foggy look. I always used a q-tip to clean the peep hole but now I'm considering your method too.
phatmanxxl said:
Your not worried about the camera lens itself getting dirty? I love taking pics too and they always seem to have a hazy/foggy look. I always used a q-tip to clean the peep hole but now I'm considering your method too.
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i tried everything to clean the little plastic peice, even expencive pro lens fluid (called Eclipse).
I think the plastic is just cheap and will always be foggy.
The lens on the camera inside is pretty heavy duty and set back about 1/8" from the cover... so its pretty impossible to hit it with anything. Its also easier to clean that lens than the battery door lens. It really makes a huuuge difference
Yea I noticed a huge differencealso, and I was able to just push out the lens cover out of the battery door with my thumbnail. But Im just afraid it will I will fog up the camera lense too like dust,sweat, pocket lint, etc. Ill just take the battery door off when I take my pictures unless I can find something to replace the lense cover, like some other piece of plastic or something I can glue onto the back. Ill post any solutions.
Took the plastic cover off as well. Wow, now I will actually use my camera...it was pointless before. Crapy design HTC.
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That's odd, my Rogers HTC Magic doesn't have a glass pane on my battery cover.
Taken with my phone.
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That's odd, my Rogers HTC Magic doesn't have a glass pane on my battery cover.
Taken with my phone.
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No I beleive the OP is referring to the glass or plastic cover over the camera area of the back cover.
My HTC Magic from vodafone UK doesn't have this but I would imagine removing it would be better
I did this and yes the picture quality improves but the music now sounds less deep, less bass.
Try it and cover the hole with your finger and you will see what I mean.
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No I beleive the OP is referring to the glass or plastic cover over the camera area of the back cover.
My HTC Magic from vodafone UK doesn't have this but I would imagine removing it would be better
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He is holding his battery cover..
A battery cover is to.. cover a battery to make sure it doesn't fall out. He is holding the right object and mine does not have it either.
i broke down and took out the plastic thing, no problem with the lens getting dirty so far.
my vodafone magic doesn't have the protective lens cover on the battery cover.
it does however have a lens protector covering the lens on the actual body of the phone.
it takes pretty good photos though, so maybe it's made of a different material than on the MT3G?
Yeah not a good idea at all...
Do you think that htc putted the plastic cover there just so it would look fancy?
Guess not.. This is not modding... it is actually kinda dumbing.. Give it a week or two.. and then check for all the dust that you're going to have in there...
And lets not talk about a rainy day... The phone probably will go RIP...
So if I were you all.. Ill stay wit the piece of plastic... That my opinion
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Yeah not a good idea at all...
Do you think that htc putted the plastic cover there just so it would look fancy?
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Actually, HTC didn't put it on their branded Magics... Vodafone's and Rogers' Magics don't have it either... only the myTouch 3G
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Yeah not a good idea at all...
Do you think that htc putted the plastic cover there just so it would look fancy?
Guess not.. This is not modding... it is actually kinda dumbing.. Give it a week or two.. and then check for all the dust that you're going to have in there...
And lets not talk about a rainy day... The phone probably will go RIP...
So if I were you all.. Ill stay wit the piece of plastic... That my opinion
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Since I "modded" the phone i have not had a problem with dust or anything like that. Thats what concerned me the most before I did it. And as for a rainy day, I know better than to take my phone out into the rain.
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Since I "modded" the phone i have not had a problem with dust or anything like that. Thats what concerned me the most before I did it. And as for a rainy day, I know better than to take my phone out into the rain.
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Lol who would go and take pics in the rain with their phone anyway?
You could always remove the battery cover when you take pictures, it might seem odd, but that way you won't have to remove that plastic piece, but you do risk getting your lense dirty faster even if you do remove the cover for a minute or so.
or.... we could just seek out a better replacement.
don't they make clearer plastics we could use to replace this?
Hi all,
Just a quick question, as a search did not reveal the answer, but is it possible to remove the len cover on the back of the HD2? As you will all know, it is very sharp - I don't tend to use the leather cover and it is starting to wear a hole in my jeans!
Looking at it the camera sensor itself is flush with the plastics of the device, but what I do not know is if the lens cover is simply stuck over the top of this, or if it covers any extra holes in the case.
Obviously it would need an alternative cover, which I am sure I could fabricate out of something, but was wondering if anyone else had been brave enough to remove it yet before I break my phone
Cheers
Looks like I will have to get my penknife out and give it a go myself then, lol
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Looks like I will have to get my penknife out and give it a go myself then, lol
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Do you really think its a good idea?
I use my case from time to time, but it's usually in my pocket on it's own. Certainly never uncomfortable and not close to making a hole in my pocket. I was told how sharp it was in the store when the O2 girl mentioned it had scratched their white desks, but since mine arrived it's never marked anything or been an issue.
I use the Proporta Mizu Shell case and this reduces the sharpness somewhat (although I've never felt the camera was sharp enough to wear a hole in my jeans). Maybe bigger jeans would help
i thought it was just my hd2 that could be used for cutting tiles but i solved the problem by buying a silicone case which covers up the edges of the camera.
I got a noreve case with which I am very pleased - it completely covers up the sharp bit (unless you want to take a photo). Much better than a damaged HD2.
Go to the accessories forum and look at the extensive suggesions there for cases, there's one out there with your name on it.
rjstep3
Don't put the HD2 in your jeans, you will soon damage the screen.
Use a case, the slip case your HD2 came with is perfect. Every time you take the phone out, rest it on the case. No damaged phone and no scratched table etc.
Dissasembly thread with some pics here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=623589
Ok, I'm getting frustrated
I've somehow gotten a black speck of something inside my camera lens (not the lens cover...I've already removed that and cleaned it to no avail)
I can see it in the viewfinder, but it never moves. I've tried shooting a small amount of air into the crack above the camera and that hasn't worked either
has anyone successfully removed the camera or gotten into it?
how?
does anyone have any advice for my situation?
camera was a deciding factor for me on this phone and one little speck is messing up all my photos
also, feel free to comment on how stinkin cute my kids are
Did you point the thing at the sun? Part of the sensor could be burned out, which is kind of what that looks like to me.
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Did you point the thing at the sun? Part of the sensor could be burned out, which is kind of what that looks like to me.
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I was afraid somebody would say that.
no I didn't...at least not consciously
Cute kids...
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Cute kids...
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yeah, they get that from their momma
anybody know how to fix my little sensor problem?
Mine too....
The camera lens cover is held on with double sided tape. You can pry it off with ease and clean the inside of the lens cover or the camera itself.
You could also access it without removing the lens cover, but that involves removing the battery tray panel thing. That requires removing the 4 torx screws at the corners, removing the void sticker on that screw, and then popping the panel off.
I've had mine off a few times to mess around with swapping the power and volume buttons from the red developer case that I nabbed off EBay. Didn't actually swap the buttons, but took a look at what was involved in the process.
Good luck!
Cute kids man.
Does it affect the quality of the pictures?
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Cute kids man.
Does it affect the quality of the pictures?
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no, it just adds that stupid black blotch in the middle of all my pictures. I use the camera alot...well, I did before this issue arose.
obededom said:
no, it just adds that stupid black blotch in the middle of all my pictures. I use the camera alot...well, I did before this issue arose.
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dude sorry to hear about this, that is BS!! you should take it into Verizon or call for a refurb! they actually are nice, its like getting a brand new phone, and if it craps out, I guess its rinse and repeat.
Way back when I owned an AT&T tilt, we had to remove the plastic camera cover to improve quality. It appears the same is true of the incredible.
My cover is not very scarred. I would consider my phone in great shape overall. Still, I decided to pop off the lens cover that projects out the backside of the phone. In so doing, there is a very appreciable improvement in contrast and sharpness of my photos. Attached are some samples. Now, if only we can figure out how to remove or replace the lens cover without jeopardizing the camera itself. As of now, it's the only barrier of protection, so removing it permanantly is not really an option.
Note, the video also shows great improvement, as should be expected.
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Way back when I owned an AT&T tilt, we had to remove the plastic camera cover to improve quality. It appears the same is true of the incredible.
My cover is not very scarred. I would consider my phone in great shape overall. Still, I decided to pop off the lens cover that projects out the backside of the phone. In so doing, there is a very appreciable improvement in contrast and sharpness of my photos. Attached are some samples. Now, if only we can figure out how to remove or replace the lens cover without jeopardizing the camera itself. As of now, it's the only barrier of protection, so removing it permanantly is not really an option.
Note, the video also shows great improvement, as should be expected.
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thats pretty odd, none of my photos look washed out like that with the camera lense still intact
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thats pretty odd, none of my photos look washed out like that with the camera lense still intact
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THanks. So, based on your feedback I decided to go ahead and clean both sides of the lens cover and also the inner lens cover with some alcohol. Definitely improved things for me. Check out the attached. It's weird because I could not appreciate any smudges of cloudiness by visual inspection. Looks no different to me after I've cleaned it, but the picture can't lie. There may still be a difference with the cover removed.
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THanks. So, based on your feedback I decided to go ahead and clean both sides of the lens cover and also the inner lens cover with some alcohol. Definitely improved things for me. Check out the attached. It's weird because I could not appreciate any smudges of cloudiness by visual inspection. Looks no different to me after I've cleaned it, but the picture can't lie. There may still be a difference with the cover removed.
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that looks wayyy better.
Isn't the lens somewhat glued onto the phone. Mine needs cleaning but I was afraid of hurting my phone.
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Having a clean lens will help all photography. I think much of the difference in the first two photo examples is due to glare from sun position and or cloud cover. Notice the difference in the shadow from the pickup. Very pronounced with bright sun in washed out photo, and almost invisible in the 'clear' shot.
When shooting outside with SLR's I always try to use a glare shield, and when I have time to compose a shot with my phone, I do the same by just shadowing the lens with my hand. Sometimes awkward, but it does improve outdoor shots in the sun.
Ken
- also, glare is greatly amplified by a dirty lens...
could you list steps on how to remove the lens cover? I dont really wanna break anything with my camera. Thanks
Careful with the alcohol it mucks up plastik & rubber
had the same problem. resolved
whewstoosae said:
Isn't the lens somewhat glued onto the phone. Mine needs cleaning but I was afraid of hurting my phone.
Sent from my MIUI Incredible.
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I had the same concerns. In fact, returned my first two Incs because of dust buildup under the camera glass. (edit-didn't mean to offend. I know everyone is busy/has a life/doesn't check messages all of the time) I wondered if it was latched somehow, or maybe screwed on. One day, out of frustration, I took off the battery cover and just tried to take it off. Turned out it was just stuck on with some kind of soft adhesive; just two short horizontal lines of it, at the top and bottom, behind the red part. I just gently pulled, and it did unstick from the top. I left the bottom connected, but folded the cover/bezel down and cleaned the inside with a little alcohol on a q-tip. Good as new. I wish I had done this on my very first Inc. I would probably still have it, and it had the best display.
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I had the same concerns. In fact, returned my first two Incs because of dust buildup under the camera glass. I sent a PM to another member who said he simply 'popped the cover off' to clean it, to ask how. I never got an answer. I wondered if it was latched somehow, or maybe screwed on. One day, out of frustration, I took off the battery cover and just tried to take it off. Turned out it was just stuck on with some kind of soft adhesive; just two short horizontal lines of it, at the top and bottom, behind the red part. I just gently pulled, and it did unstick from the top. I left the bottom connected, but folded the cover/bezel down and cleaned the inside with a little alcohol on a q-tip. Good as new. I wish I had done this on my very first Inc. I would probably still have it, and it had the best display.
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Thanks for the info, I was too afraid to touch it without knowing if it was going to damage it or not.
Sent from my MIUI Incredible.
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One day, out of frustration, I took off the battery cover and just tried to take it off. Turned out it was just stuck on with some kind of soft adhesive; just two short horizontal lines of it, at the top and bottom, behind the red part. I just gently pulled, and it did unstick from the top.
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That's actually a little disturbing. By no means do I think the Incredible is somehow the industry standard of build quality, but the lens cover itself looks like it's made by NASA. Disappointing (but useful!).
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That's actually a little disturbing. By no means do I think the Incredible is somehow the industry standard of build quality, but the lens cover itself looks like it's made by NASA. Disappointing (but useful!).
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I agree. This seems like a very preventable issue, from a manufacturing standpoint. The only good thing is that there is another piece of glass (square) that is over the actual camera lens, and seems to be well sealed to the camera module itself. I haven't seen any dust under there. I agree with the 'disappointing' aspect. The 8Mp camera w/flash was a big factor in deciding to buy this phone.
just did this, my pictures are coming out much better now also. Thanks for the tip, never thought of this...
Does it work the same way with Incredible S(vivo), i too have some dust under the glass.
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could you list steps on how to remove the lens cover? I dont really wanna break anything with my camera. Thanks
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just remove your battey cover and then you should be able to pop the cover and lense off
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just remove your battey cover and then you should be able to pop the cover and lense off
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Thanks for your reply. I was going to ask the same question.
My rear camera takes HORRIBLE shots.... but its no fault of the camera, its the *junk* plastic lens cover that is now all scratched up. This causes the camera to focus on the scratches and makes everything else out of focus (basically everything!).
And before you blame me for being rough with it... I bought it used. If I cant find just that piece Im going to try and fashion my own out of a raw piece of plexi if I can...
Best off luck with it, shouldn't be to hard to take off, it is attached to the back plate. Though mine is flawless and still takes bad pictures
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The lens cover is... well its not even glued on. Its more like that sticky stuff on magazines holding papers to each other. I had to remove mine because mine was affected the same way yours was, not from scratches but from dust INSIDE the lens. I used an eyeglass flat head screwdriver, it came off effortlessly. I hear guitar picks work great for stuff like this too.
After you take it off, you gotta push hard to get it back on. Push till you feel like it might break if you push any harder, then keep it there for about 20 seconds. If you do less it'll fall off.
I couldn't tell ya where you'd find another lens cover, but I'll look it up when I get home.
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This is the part number and description for the Camera Glass
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A500
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Thanks guys but it turns out it wasn't just a scratched lens cover (well it is scratched but thats not it), the inner lens assy that is attached to the CMOS sensor was LOOSE! Yea, f'ing loose, believe that! I found out when I tried to remove said lens cover, to try and clean the cover internally (I figured there would be some space between the inside surface of the cover and the topmost part of the image assy.
Well turns out there is a piece of that soft sticky foam that must obviously be there to keep foreign contaminates from getting in. Well when I removed that lens cover (its stuck to the rear frame/housing with that same foam, the lens part came with it. There I was with that in my one hand, and looking down directly at the image sensor (you can tell since it looks almost like the surface of a cd. I immediately put everything back on and prayed that I didn't get more dust inside the lens unit. Well this didn't happen, I guess I got lucky, and actually the unit takes cleared pictures now, I think I pressed everything back together tighter then it was before (closer to spec I guess).
Here is to keeping my fingers crossed. I never took many pics with my last tablet (Im never without my cellphone which is easier to use) but I would still like it to work as it should...
Be careful with this part guys if you ever decide to disassemble the unit, its pretty fragile.
I know this is a stupid reply but why would you like to take pics with this crap. I mean my SE k610 takes way better pics than the tablet. And its an tabled.... Why would you took photos with it :d
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I know this is a stupid reply but why would you like to take pics with this crap. I mean my SE k610 takes way better pics than the tablet. And its an tabled.... Why would you took photos with it :d
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ive noticed my a500 takes great close up pics really detailed and whatnot but from medium to far range its just garbage i dont know if its my camera or what
I dont take pics with it, however I would just like my unit to function as its supposed to. I also would like to to work so when I sell it, which I will eventually to upgrade to a better tablet, I wont take a hit on the price...