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Galaxy S Gingerbread rolling out in Europe

http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/16/galaxy-s-gingerbread-update-now-rolling-out-across-europe/
Looks like the i9000 is actually getting that 2.3 update. Maybe some other SGS models will start seeing it, I'd say everyone but us will get a glimpse.

Wrong section.
But yeah, at least the gs family looks like it will all get gingerbread.

Usually if its pertaining to Froyo/GB people don't mind seeing it in here. Hell, most people only view this subforum of the Fascinate and not general or any others. But you're right.
I feel like the Epic and Vibrant will get it in a few months, and then 25 years later Captivate, Mesmerize, Fascinate.

Syn Ack said:
Usually if its pertaining to Froyo/GB people don't mind seeing it in here. Hell, most people only view this subforum of the Fascinate and not general or any others. But you're right.
I feel like the Epic and Vibrant will get it in a few months, and then 25 years later Captivate, Mesmerize, Fascinate.
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Yeah sounds about right... the rest of the community will be on android zinger 20.3.8. (Zinger is the only desert i can thnk if that starts with Z lol)But we will get GB I'm sure .
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Wow. And it turns out, Samsung is the first to get GB on a non-Nexus phone. The irony....

GoogleAndroid said:
Wow. And it turns out, Samsung is the first to get GB on a non-Nexus phone. The irony....
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Wrong..droid x got the ota earlier this week
And yes this is in the wrong section its not a development release or think tank post or something
Its not that hard to follow forum rules

nitsuj17 said:
Wrong..droid x got the ota earlier this week
And yes this is in the wrong section its not a development release or think tank post or something
Its not that hard to follow forum rules
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Ohhh yeahhh. I haven't heard anything about that since DL posted an article though. Well, close enough, it's still very ironic.

nitsuj17 said:
Wrong..droid x got the ota earlier this week
And yes this is in the wrong section its not a development release or think tank post or something
Its not that hard to follow forum rules
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Its not harming anyone and this has been done many times before. You just can't leave things alone can you?

Here we go again. Another thread that's gonna get trashed with useless back and forth nonsense
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Syn Ack said:
Its not harming anyone
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No, it isn't harming anyone, but it is cluttering this board. Nitsuj, is right, follow the rules, it's not that hard.
blackmamba0730 said:
Here we go again. Another thread that's gonna get trashed with useless back and forth nonsense
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It wouldn't have to be that way, if people would have a little consideration, and follow the rules. Personally, I don't want to see this crap in here, when I'm looking for files.

spotmark said:
No, it isn't harming anyone, but it is cluttering this board. Nitsuj, is right, follow the rules, it's not that hard.
It wouldn't have to be that way, if people would have a little consideration, and follow the rules. Personally, I don't want to see this crap in here, when I'm looking for files.
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You're right, but nothing in the general section EVER gets viewed at or talked about. Everyone has their browser bookmarks set to development.

So it's all about page views then?

Syn Ack said:
You're right, but nothing in the general section EVER gets viewed at or talked about. Everyone has their browser bookmarks set to development.
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I have my bookmark set to the main page, so I can decide which board I want to look at, and I frequently visit the general board. By the way you're talking, you realize you shouldn't have posted here, but did it anyway. What makes you above the rules? It's called courtesy, and everyone should try it.

Kevin Gossett said:
So it's all about page views then?
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Nope, I'm just trying to spread the good news. Thought people would be interested. Decided I would put it in the "Wall Street Journal" as opposed to a "local smalltown newspaper".

GoogleAndroid said:
Ohhh yeahhh. I haven't heard anything about that since DL posted an article though. Well, close enough, it's still very ironic.
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I don't see how it'd be ironic if Samsung is first.
Google worked with them to release Gingerbread on some hardware that was only slightly different from the rest of their phones... They had an experience, resource, and time advantage over every other carrier... and yet they failed.
That's ironic. Samsung had every advantage, and yet couldn't even freaking get Gingerbread out on their flagship product before someone else. Seems like more motivation to me to avoid any future Samsung products.
And yeah, where to post things seems pretty obvious to me: Any discussion thread, where we're just talking about various random things go in General, questions go in Q&A, and actual releases (or things closely related to development... random questions about a ROM wouldn't warrant a new thread) go in Development. Posting things in the wrong section just to get more eyes seems fairly silly to me... if people aren't reading General, it's probably because they aren't interested in those things, probably only wanting actual ROMs/kernels/etc. Then again, making any comment on this topic seems to be a good way to get people to just flame you.

Syn Ack said:
Its not harming anyone and this has been done many times before. You just can't leave things alone can you?
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I also own a dx and i havent got the update. I keep hearing about this alleged update. So in my view hes not wrong
Used my fascinating voodoo powers

KitsuneKnight said:
I don't see how it'd be ironic if Samsung is first.
Google worked with them to release Gingerbread on some hardware that was only slightly different from the rest of their phones... They had an experience, resource, and time advantage over every other carrier... and yet they failed.
That's ironic. Samsung had every advantage, and yet couldn't even freaking get Gingerbread out on their flagship product before someone else. Seems like more motivation to me to avoid any future Samsung products.
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And now supposedly LG is working with Google for the Nexus 3 which will likely have the quadcore Tegra 3.

KitsuneKnight said:
I don't see how it'd be ironic if Samsung is first.
Google worked with them to release Gingerbread on some hardware that was only slightly different from the rest of their phones... They had an experience, resource, and time advantage over every other carrier... and yet they failed.
That's ironic. Samsung had every advantage, and yet couldn't even freaking get Gingerbread out on their flagship product before someone else. Seems like more motivation to me to avoid any future Samsung products.
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The software on the Nexus S is all Google's....

Syn Ack said:
Its not harming anyone and this has been done many times before. You just can't leave things alone can you?
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The rules are the rules...its not me being a ****...this is in no way shape or form development....and belongs in general
Its not up to you to decide that just because more people go here that "news" should also be in here as well
The rules are the same for everyone..otherwise development sections would be even more cluttered and difficult to navigate than they already are

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good day.

CM7 Release Candidate soon? (Purely Speculation!)

In the official post for CyanogenMod 7 it says
"There are many devices still in beta status (Pyramid, Doubleshot, Shooter, HP Touchpad, Optimus 3D, several more) that we will be promoting to release or release-candidates in the next few weeks when the code is merged to our main branch."
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Now this is purely speculation as the title says so if anyone gets disappointed when it doesn't happen.
Now i could be looking at this completely wrong so feel free to call me a dumb ass if i am wrong.
Source: http://www.cyanogenmod.com/blog/cyanogenmod-7-1-released

The CM7 project for the Atrix is not being developed by official Cyanogenmod. Just stay tuned to the google code page and follow twitter accounts.

SirFork said:
The CM7 project for the Atrix is not being developed by official Cyanogenmod. Just stay tuned to the google code page and follow twitter accounts.
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Once its in RC don't they give it to the official team for merging? that's what i thought happened from my understanding.

There are many devices still in beta status (Pyramid, Doubleshot, Shooter, HP Touchpad, Optimus 3D, several more) that we will be promoting to release or release-candidates in the next few weeks when the code is merged to our main branch.
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That's from the official Cyanogenmod site, which has no affiliation with the development of CM7 for the Atrix.

Yeah, but the current team is responsible for making the atrix compatible with cm7 (thus, they're doing most of the work). Once that's done, they'll be giving it to the official team so they can support it.
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I'm pretty sure the dev team has said all they need to do is get the fingerprint scanner and webtop working then they can submit it to cyanogen mod to try and get official status, since before cyanogen will accept any port it must not break any functionality that the stock rom had

thewarhawk said:
I'm pretty sure the dev team has said all they need to do is get the fingerprint scanner and webtop working then they can submit it to cyanogen mod to try and get official status, since before cyanogen will accept any port it must not break any functionality that the stock rom had
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The webtop might take a while since it seems they have to design their own version of it
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Exactly why this is such an ambitious effort. Some people might not have the fortitude (or the patience!) for this phone's technology to be fully realized. For me, I'm kind of excited to own such a unique device and hope the developers aren't discouraged by such a challenge.

SirFork said:
Exactly why this is such an ambitious effort. Some people might not have the fortitude (or the patience!) for this phone's technology to be fully realized. For me, I'm kind of excited to own such a unique device and hope the developers aren't discouraged by such a challenge.
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I think the devs are more discouraged by the trolls.
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IUH1991 said:
I think the devs are more discouraged by the trolls.
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This is probably a huge factor along with the massive number of idiots who fail to read directions properly and end up with bootloops and blame the dev's for making faulty software.

I installed CM7 on my Atrix and now it's running too fast. I can't keep up with it. Also the benchmark scores are too high, and the battery lasts too long. Plz fix.

Phalanx7621 said:
I installed CM7 on my Atrix and now it's running too fast. I can't keep up with it. Also the benchmark scores are too high, and the battery lasts too long. Plz fix.
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HaHa Good one!!!!
I think a lot of the trolls here are just ungrateful...they constantly complaining about things not work like they want them to work and they are constantly bugging the devs about when when when! These same trolls do not take a mere breath to stop and say thank you to the devs that work hard for free. No one has EVER promised them anything, but they complain like it is the devs duty to please them. Somedays I wish I were back in the Aria forum because the community was very helpful and the devs felt welcomed.
FYI good find OP!

lilhaiti said:
HaHa Good one!!!!
I think a lot of the trolls here are just ungrateful...they constantly complaining about things not work like they want them to work and they are constantly bugging the devs about when when when! These same trolls do not take a mere breath to stop and say thank you to the devs that work hard for free. No one has EVER promised them anything, but they complain like it is the devs duty to please them. Somedays I wish I were back in the Aria forum because the community was very helpful and the devs felt welcomed.
FYI good find OP!
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"Troll"
I don't think you know what that word actually means yet you use it constantly.

edgeicator said:
"Troll"
I don't think you know what that word actually means yet you use it constantly.
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It's actually kinda explained in my post.

lilhaiti said:
It's actually kinda explained in my post.
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Since you still don't realise what the word "troll" actually means, let me clarify for you.
A troll is someone who posts inflammatory extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
ie the very people you are complaining about are not, in fact, trying to provoke people, but rather are just uninformed people asking for help. In fact, you are the one closer to a troll then they are since you keep insulting them instead of directing them to the right answer, potentially provoking them into an outlash of anger.

IUH1991 said:
The webtop might take a while since it seems they have to design their own version of it
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Sadly I don't think they'll be having Webtop on Cyanogenmod. Last I heard it was too much work.

if cm7 allowed me to play my movies from my phone on tv when i am away from home i would be on it like a fat kid on a smartie!

edgeicator said:
Since you still don't realise what the word "troll" actually means, let me clarify for you.
A troll is someone who posts inflammatory extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
ie the very people you are complaining about are not, in fact, trying to provoke people, but rather are just uninformed people asking for help. In fact, you are the one closer to a troll then they are since you keep insulting them instead of directing them to the right answer, potentially provoking them into an outlash of anger.
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Nicely put...

Ratchet556 said:
Now this is purely speculation as the title says so if anyone gets disappointed when it doesn't happen.
Now i could be looking at this completely wrong so feel free to call me a dumb ass if i am wrong.
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dumbass....

sanriver12 said:
dumbass....
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We dont sit here and update or post all day because its un needed, exhausting on its own, and frusterating to the point of cursing. I can once a week come to this thread and after going through 20+ pages find maybe one thing worth replying to, like this time and the gentleman that requested a few pages back that i call this kang and not official ?!? Why because we have waited till we deemed ready to merge ? Everything we released has been stable and useable i have not touched another rom in months, we will merge shortly, it will be up todate 2.3.7 or what ever uptodate is than. We are all running 2.3.7 curently , there has not been another release because IOO there has not been enough added fixes that we felt the need to do so yet. Mostly we have been waiting on FP. I have it working 100% fine actually better than stock, but it haz created a bug with calls when enabled for an unknown reason. I have been working on the same bug for over 2 weeks . Once again iwasted more time i could have spent on the bug to reply to those of you that felt i needed to "give updates" to a 170 page hell hole where no one reads in the first place Anyhow we appreciate your all excited , so are we , mostly so we can stop working keep in mind we want itcompleted and working obiously more than you do so either relax and wait or keep yelling inhere like a jakaninny IDGAF, but i will post updates when i am ready as will the other team members. End of story
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I'm going to ignore that for the soul fact I was right. From the CM7 thread.
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ICS on Xoom

Is there a version of the ICS in development for Xoom?
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yes ics will be released for the xoom early 2012 according to motorola but the devs here will have it done before then I'm sure of it

Team tiamat are doing it.
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Like 4 threads below this is the ICS thread, if you had clicked it you would have answered your own question...

Elysian893 said:
Like 4 threads below this is the ICS thread, if you had clicked it you would have answered your own question...
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Posts like these irritate the hell out of me. Op is obviously a new poster, they didn't want to go digging for one quick answer so they asked, yes next time maybe they should read the rules or use the search but to go out of your way to make a comment like this even after another poster was kind enough to answer the question is just uncalled for. Not a good way to build a strong community.

Excuse me, does not appear in Tapatalk this option to the Windows!
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ggrammer said:
Posts like these irritate the hell out of me. Op is obviously a new poster, they didn't want to go digging for one quick answer so they asked, yes next time maybe they should read the rules or use the search but to go out of your way to make a comment like this even after another poster was kind enough to answer the question is just uncalled for. Not a good way to build a strong community.
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OP has been a member since 2009. Low post count not withstanding, the OP is not a new member.

Elysian893 said:
OP has been a member since 2009. Low post count not withstanding, the OP is not a new member.
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Well as long as you think that is reason enough to act that way then have at her!

ggrammer said:
Posts like these irritate the hell out of me. Op is obviously a new poster, they didn't want to go digging for one quick answer so they asked, yes next time maybe they should read the rules or use the search but to go out of your way to make a comment like this even after another poster was kind enough to answer the question is just uncalled for. Not a good way to build a strong community.
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There really is no reason to beat on people like this..I understand there is another thread that explains this but not everyone is as savvy as the next person and we are supposed to be a friendly community. All i have to say is lets be civil, everyone is excited to get ICS up and running, it is a huge improvement and will hopefully bring some performance improvements to our Xooms, which we are all here to talk about (all though I think the HC to ICS jump is much less then the GB to ICS) Ok thats all I have to say lets be nice.

Just wanna the ICS in my Xoom!
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ggrammer said:
Posts like these irritate the hell out of me. Op is obviously a new poster, they didn't want to go digging for one quick answer so they asked, yes next time maybe they should read the rules or use the search but to go out of your way to make a comment like this even after another poster was kind enough to answer the question is just uncalled for. Not a good way to build a strong community.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA

Saintfyre said:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA
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I had never seen that...it's terrific! Thanks for sharing.

Any news?
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andpantanal said:
Any news?
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Well we know for a fact that solarnz is working on it. There are certainly others, too. With this stuff we'll hear when we hear. The developers don't like it when we press them for an E.T.A.

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Even after my earlier post you're still not even trying. Being welcoming and friendly is one thing, complete lack of effort is another.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1346657
Follow that thread, you'll have your answer.

I don't see the rush to get ICS on the Xoom... The difference between HC and ICS isn't enough to warrant immediate installation for me. I'll be happy when a dev finally does it, but until then, we still have good old Honeycomb, so let's count our blessings, eh?

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That was fantastic! Thank you for the laughs

Protocol114 said:
I don't see the rush to get ICS on the Xoom... The difference between HC and ICS isn't enough to warrant immediate installation for me. I'll be happy when a dev finally does it, but until then, we still have good old Honeycomb, so let's count our blessings, eh?
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For one thing, because it's the latest version of Android, and there may be fixes for things that are broken 'Good old Honeycomb'. We all want to have the latest thing on our devices, and we don't necessarily want to wait on VZW to test and approve it.
For another thing, we want this because it's actually open source, unlike Honeycomb. Since the source code for HC was unavailable, there was only so much the devs could do as far as making a ROM that was as feature rich as what they would like to offer to the community. Having the code laid out bare allows them to do cool stuff that we all benefit from.
Also, that XDA Noob video was awesome.

And let's not get lost in the fact that honeycomb ain't that great.
Saw ICS on workmates mobile today... It's a HUGE step up!
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XDA Video is all sorts of win :-D .... now get the hell off my lawn!
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Anyone working on ICS?

Is anybody, except the CM team, working on an AOSP rom for the Nook color?

This is the development section, not questions section. I'm personally working on it with the information available in the other ICS thread... but with my limited knowledge and resources I doubt it will amount to much but I hope to make at least a positive contribution.
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I'm willing to help out I'm new to dev-ing as well. Tell me where I can get my hands on the ice cream code and I'll start working on it.
XaSe said:
This is the development section, not questions section. I'm personally working on it with the information available in the other ICS thread... but with my limited knowledge and resources I doubt it will amount to much but I hope to make at least a positive contribution.
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http://source.android.com/source/downloading.html
That's where you can get it, if you plan on making any contributions, I recommend doing it in the other thread.

Unless they say otherwise for this device, the fact that Cyanogen is working on CM9 (ICS) means they are working on it for the Nook Color.

I read somewhere about dalringin (the guy whose kernel is part of CM7 on NC) saying they've started work for ICS for Nook Color but the touchpad is their first priority.
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therkr said:
I read somewhere about dalringin (the guy whose kernel is part of CM7 on NC) saying they've started work for ICS for Nook Color but the touchpad is their first priority.
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Put ICS for the Tablet ahead as well.....

Well, instead of posting here, post in general about speculations. Development is being discussed in the other ics thread. Lock or move this please.
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Some progress here. Also see this.

XaSe said:
This is the development section, not questions section. I'm personally working on it with the information available in the other ICS thread... but with my limited knowledge and resources I doubt it will amount to much but I hope to make at least a positive contribution.
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Sorry. I figured with this being a development section and asking about how the development is going, it'd be fine. My bad.

gamer.pro.2000 said:
Sorry. I figured with this being a development section and asking about how the development is going, it'd be fine. My bad.
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Don't sweat it. That was a reasonable assumption.

ICS
Check it out guys
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19648827
i can't wait to try ICS in nook...

dgozalie said:
Check it out guys
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19648827
i can't wait to try ICS in nook...
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Stop posting this link to the G1 over and over, it's completely irrelevant.

Wait a minute here if a low spec phone like the G1 can run ICS now thats very relevant and good news.
What really surprises me is that such an old device still has developers porting new roms... hmm I think you all know where I am going with this.

This thread is still clogged with useless tidbits of speculation... it is irrelevant because the g1 != nook color. Work is being done in the other thread. This section is not for discussion. This thread is absolutely useless here.
Please move thread mods.
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i agree with pavlos.. this is relevant because it was just bringing a point that if a device with as little of memory as the G1 could be developed to carry ICS our NC have more than enough power and ability to run it.. I know there is more to it but that's where this thread was basically leading.. if there is going to be more than just CM9 for us...

pavlos46 said:
Wait a minute here if a low spec phone like the G1 can run ICS now thats very relevant and good news.
What really surprises me is that such an old device still has developers porting new roms... hmm I think you all know where I am going with this.
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Did you see how *awful* it ran, though? I don't doubt ICS is going to be pretty ugly on the NC, and better on the Tablet. We just don't have the CPU to really run ICS well.

Wifflepig said:
Did you see how *awful* it ran, though? I don't doubt ICS is going to be pretty ugly on the NC, and better on the Tablet. We just don't have the CPU to really run ICS well.
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Our Nooks will run ICS fine.

... it doesn't take a genius to know that we can run ics on a nook color. Any android device can run any android. Albeit very Soddy on some. However... the g1 running ics is still irrelevant to the nook running ics, both physically and and technically. The g1 is not the nook color end of story. I could care less if your microwave was running ice cream sandwich, its so damn irrelevant. This thread is hearsay all over.
This thread should be locked or moved

I agree that this speculation thread should be moved to the NC general section, and out of the android developer section.
But, come on guys, get a little more polite.
Nothing is FORCING you to continue to read this thread or respond to it.
Given the number of responses and reads of this thread, people are interested in the topic, even if it is speculation at this time.
Mellow out.

STILL no A510 thread??

It was funny at first, but seems the lag from the Asus 300 getting a thread and the A510 folks is standing out, especially since the A510 was released first. I am surprised the A500 folks have not tried to evict us.
Added: For perspective, the gosh awful VS Gtablet got a thread. I still have my Gtablet... not sure if that is a good thing. I was not cold enough to try and sell it to somebody- not that cruel.

So what are you crying about, the A501 hasn't got its own forum either... We share too...

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So what are you crying about, the A501 hasn't got its own forum either... We share too...
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How different is the A501 vs A500? Now compare the A510 with the A500. Thank you

aamir123 said:
How different is the A501 vs A500? Now compare the A510 with the A500. Thank you
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Ditto.

rushless said:
It was funny at first, but seems the lag from the Asus 300 getting a thread and the A510 folks is standing out, especially since the A510 was released first. I am surprised the A500 folks have not tried to evict us.
Added: For perspective, the gosh awful VS Gtablet got a thread. I still have my Gtablet... not sure if that is a good thing. I was not cold enough to try and sell it to somebody- not that cruel.
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I think one is in the works

Bump for a great idea - separate section for A510

Yes... bumping in support
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The most important discussions about a tablet occur when its first released. By the time there is an a510 forum, most of the relevant info will be burried on one insanely long thread under the wrong device as it is now, or located on another website altogether.
Personally, I think it should have been up and running on the day of release, if XDA really wants to be on the cutting edge. Otherwise it ceases to be a resource for early adopters, which I belive is a very large percentage of the XDA audience.
Of course, the sad truth may be that, tablets are not considered a priority here. Instead smart phones are given all the attention because they have the largest market share ie most users. Thats a judgement call as to where to put the most resources. Maybe we need two XDA websites: XDA Phone and XDA Tablet!

Bump bump bump

did you all folks vote for the "add a section for my device" thread ??
hard to find it back, but may be another member can find it
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got it :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1660354

bump bump
BUMP!

It's been put up, so let's see what will happen, there are also requests to merge with A700.
Can't promise anything

There's an a700 forum but no a510 forum...
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aamir123 said:
There's an a700 forum but no a510 forum...
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As of a few minutes ago, there's now a merged A700 & A510 thread.

Have fun there!
And farewell :crying: