The following was posted about 30 minutes ago on the Moto forums by forum manager Mark:
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1,360. Jul 7, 2011 1:23 PM (in response to berzerker)
When is the next firmware update to gingerbread 2.3. Let's try to stay on topic, and have fun.
1. It's kind of a loaded question. "about to start" and "a while" mean different things to different people. No lie, it's difficult to manage everyone's expectations. I don't want to set the wrong expectations. Mis-interpretation just leads to frustration and further pessimism. I don't want to promise something that I don't have the control over delivery. I wouldn't expect any soak sign-up, at minimum, for another week. Soon as we get closer to soak I'll invite everyone.
2. As mentioned before we are working on a Unlockable Bootloader solution for release later this year where our carrier partners will allow it. This isn't specific to any product or carrier. Further details will be released as they are known.
Mark
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https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/45654?start=1350&tstart=0
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Interesting that the unlocked bootloader seems to be separated from the GB update in the second post. Makes it look like the unlocked bootloader will not be coming till much later.
CaelanT said:
Interesting that the unlocked bootloader seems to be separated from the GB update in the second post. Makes it look like the unlocked bootloader will not be coming till much later.
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And even then, only when the carriers allow it. Will AT&T ever allow something like that? I say hell no.
Mark with Moto said:
2. As mentioned before we are working on a Unlockable Bootloader solution for release later this year where our carrier partners will allow it.
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SoberGuy said:
And even then, only when the carriers allow it. Will AT&T ever allow something like that? I say hell no.
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Except that all AT&T phones can already be unlocked with pudding, so it doesn't matter if they allow it or not.
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And even then, only when the carriers allow it. Will AT&T ever allow something like that? I say hell no.
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AT&T sells android phones that already have unlocked bootloaders and I do not see them having a reason to deny the update.
With that said pudding will give you unlocked bootloader, once applied, FOREVER! so it will not matter at this point if they allow it or not
ClearFire said:
AT&T sells android phones that already have unlocked bootloaders and I do not see them having a reason to deny the update.
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They do? Which ones? Last I checked, all sorts of phones have locked bootloaders. It's just that Moto's the only one who actually does more than simply lock it.
If the soak test sign ups started in a week, you could look at soak testing starting a week later, and if past updates are anything to go by, an update another week later if all went well. That puts the GB update at in the last week of July.
On the locked bootloader, a lot of people said they will not unlock until they get the official update enabling this, so although many of us are already locked, many people are probably getting screwed. Might push them to just unlock now.
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Except that all AT&T phones can already be unlocked with pudding, so it doesn't matter if they allow it or not.
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In a sense, yes. A question, and then my thoughts.
While the AT&T bootloader can be unlocked now, is it possible (not likely, just possible) from a technical standpoint, that Moto could release a GB update that would prevent pudding from working? Say GB is release next week. A month from now a guy buys an Atrix, pulls it out the box with GB. Could that GB update prevent him from unlocking the bootloader? I think it's possible this could happen.
Further, my thoughts are that there is concern for future Moto devices on AT&T. We have a reasonable solution now, for this phone. What about future Moto devices? I don't think AT&T would allow such an unlock.
ClearFire said:
AT&T sells android phones that already have unlocked bootloaders and I do not see them having a reason to deny the update.
With that said pudding will give you unlocked bootloader, once applied, FOREVER! so it will not matter at this point if they allow it or not
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Which phones on AT&T come with an unlocked bootloader? Or do you just mean that they sell phones that have bootloaders that can be unlocked? Big difference, IMO. HTC doesn't care if you unlock their bootloader. Moto says you need carrier permission. What makes you think AT&T would ever grant such permission?
As for the rest, see my questions in my previous post. I'm not sure on the technical aspects of it, but I can see this making a difference in future devices, and possibly future Atrixes that are sold...
To hell with Motorola is all I can say. How can you start a project with no planned end dates. this is utter BS.
SoberGuy said:
Which phones on AT&T come with an unlocked bootloader? Or do you just mean that they sell phones that have bootloaders that can be unlocked? Big difference, IMO. HTC doesn't care if you unlock their bootloader. Moto says you need carrier permission. What makes you think AT&T would ever grant such permission?
As for the rest, see my questions in my previous post. I'm not sure on the technical aspects of it, but I can see this making a difference in future devices, and possibly future Atrixes that are sold...
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Inspire, Captivate, Infuse. Maybe a few more. These all allow for custom ROMs and kernels, and it's only Motorola trying to lock us down. HTC doesn't care, and the Inspire has tons of ROMs and kernels. Same with the Cappy. So why is it only Motorola if it's the carrier who wants it locked?
Sinful Animosity said:
Inspire, Captivate, Infuse. Maybe a few more. These all allow for custom ROMs and kernels, and it's only Motorola trying to lock us down. HTC doesn't care, and the Inspire has tons of ROMs and kernels. Same with the Cappy. So why is it only Motorola if it's the carrier who wants it locked?
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I agree, they are just trying to think that there are fools out there who will believe there BS reasons.
Rootzwiki just tweeted that Droid 3 is coming with a locked BL as well....WTF!
munchy_cool said:
Rootzwiki just tweeted that Droid 3 is coming with a locked BL as well....WTF!
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No way... Wow. Those Droid 3 users are going to raise a **** storm
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Inspire, Captivate, Infuse. Maybe a few more. These all allow for custom ROMs and kernels, and it's only Motorola trying to lock us down. HTC doesn't care, and the Inspire has tons of ROMs and kernels. Same with the Cappy. So why is it only Motorola if it's the carrier who wants it locked?
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My theory on this is that carriers were willing to subsidize manufacturers' bootloader lockdowns that ensured the carrier bloatware would remain installed and stuff like tethering could be mitigated. Perhaps AT&T paid Motorola more than other manufacturers, so it's a matter of arguing over money.
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Inspire, Captivate, Infuse. Maybe a few more. These all allow for custom ROMs and kernels, and it's only Motorola trying to lock us down. HTC doesn't care, and the Inspire has tons of ROMs and kernels. Same with the Cappy. So why is it only Motorola if it's the carrier who wants it locked?
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Unlocked, or unlockable? If they are unlocked out of the box... I don't know. Maybe if presented with a choice (what Moto is doing), they would say no. But they wouldn't push for it up front. Maybe?? I don't know.
I still think they are just unlockable, and not unlocked out of the box. HTC allows for an unlock solution (my guess is so does Samsung). Not sure on LG. Moto decides to ask carrier permission.
I still see no reason why AT&T would approve such a thing. We haven't had a carrier-sold Nexus, and I'm not holding out hope we will. Look at how AT&T has crippled Android before: no sideloading, limiting apps, etc. And now you think they'll play nice with everyone?? LOL
I respect you, and I respect your opinion. I politely disagree. I don't think AT&T is the most advanced-user-friendly carrier (or dev-friendly, but we're not all devs here). Moto is certainly not the most dev friendly with the efuse and locked bootloaders. Combine the two and it's a damn mess. Shame, because I really like this lapdock feature that Moto wants to do more of.
Sinful Animosity said:
Inspire, Captivate, Infuse. Maybe a few more. These all allow for custom ROMs and kernels, and it's only Motorola trying to lock us down. HTC doesn't care, and the Inspire has tons of ROMs and kernels. Same with the Cappy. So why is it only Motorola if it's the carrier who wants it locked?
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No, those have LOCKED bootloaders. They're just easy to get past. Moto's aren't.
NoNameAtAll said:
No, those have LOCKED bootloaders. They're just easy to get past. Moto's aren't.
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because Motorola encrypts them with signed keys ...
NoNameAtAll said:
No, those have LOCKED bootloaders. They're just easy to get past. Moto's aren't.
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Correct. Wife has Inspire and it's locked.
Have to create gold card to unlock it.
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munchy_cool said:
To hell with Motorola is all I can say. How can you start a project with no planned end dates. this is utter BS.
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Either way, WE already have an unlocked bootloader. So as far as I'm concerned I'll never get the GB update because I'll be too busy ditching Motorola altogether. The only moto left on this phone is the name under the earpiece..
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thebeardedchild said:
Either way, WE already have an unlocked bootloader. So as far as I'm concerned I'll never get the GB update because I'll be too busy ditching Motorola altogether. The only moto left on this phone is the name under the earpiece..
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yeah man, same here just waiting for the custom ROM's to come.
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We need to put some heat under the atrix development to have the bootloader unlocked or a tool to unlock it ........ in more then one conversation they have stated then retracted the statement saying " if you want custom ROMS buy a nexus " what could we do as a community to fuel the realease of an unlocked bootloder or a unlock tool ........ as functional as the phone may be out of the box it always has much more potential then a factory standard ROM
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We need to put some heat under the atrix development to have the bootloader unlocked or a tool to unlock it ........ in more then one conversation they have stated then retracted the statement saying " if you want custom ROMS buy a nexus " what could we do as a community to fuel the realease of an unlocked bootloder or a unlock tool ........ as functional as the phone may be out of the box it always has much more potential then a factory standard ROM
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I don't think we'll really have much luck with that. I think the best route to go is to probably show what Microsoft has done (though I"m sure Moto is well aware): embrace the developers and work with them. Microsoft is learning from the developers, and vice versa. As much as I hate to say it, WinMo suddenly has a lot of potential. I don't see myself switching, as I hate the new version. It's something I'd expect to see in the mid 90s lol.
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We need to put some heat under the atrix development to have the bootloader unlocked or a tool to unlock it ........ in more then one conversation they have stated then retracted the statement saying " if you want custom ROMS buy a nexus " what could we do as a community to fuel the realease of an unlocked bootloder or a unlock tool ........ as functional as the phone may be out of the box it always has much more potential then a factory standard ROM
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Are you an idiot? "Put some heat under the Atrix development"...wtf?
The easiest way is to pay someone. Until then and im sure you are just looking for hand-outs and free-bees, you can wait. Or better yet, take the devs comment seriously, buy a Nexus.
These people do this kind of stuff on their free time. Be a little more grateful for the devs that we have working on the stuff they they are working on instead of trying to "Put some heat under the Atrix development".
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Are you an idiot? "Put some heat under the Atrix development"...wtf?
The easiest way is to pay someone. Until then and im sure you are just looking for hand-outs and free-bees, you can wait. Or better yet, take the devs comment seriously, buy a Nexus.
These people do this kind of stuff on their free time. Be a little more grateful for the devs that we have working on the stuff they they are working on instead of trying to "Put some heat under the Atrix development".
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I took his comment to mean put some heat on Moto for an unlocked bootloader, or at least unlockable. I think the devs here at XDA are extremely talented, but I don't know enough about eFuse to know if they can even crack it.
SoberGuy said:
I took his comment to mean put some heat on Moto for an unlocked bootloader, or at least unlockable. I think the devs here at XDA are extremely talented, but I don't know enough about eFuse to know if they can even crack it.
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That's what I thought as well. I don't think he sounded ungrateful. I think he means Motorola needs to be pressured to work with the dev community.
LockeCPM4 said:
That's what I thought as well. I don't think he sounded ungrateful. I think he means Motorola needs to be pressured to work with the dev community.
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I'll have to 3rd? that I guess. I too read it as, pressuring MOTO not the devs here at XDA lol
Regardless, good luck with that. If you can some how get 1mil+ tweets maybe to Moto about unlocking it then they might hear us lol
I think AT$T will also have a say if the bootloader will be locked as well, and if they do. You know how that's gonna play out..
I hope Motorola/AT&T do not lock this one down. As long as this phone runs as fast as early reviews claim, the only two things I would like to see are Root, and the ability to side load apps.
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I hope Motorola/AT&T do not lock this one down. As long as this phone runs as fast as early reviews claim, the only two things I would like to see are Root, and the ability to side load apps.
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That's all I'm hoping for.
all I'm hoping for is that I can use the Atrix with my T-Mobile sim
T-mobile in the USA uses 1700 MHz for their UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+ service, while the Atrix supports 850 / 1900 / 2100 MHz. So it might work, but not for 3G/4G service.
Dont worry we will have an unlock tool soon :
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Ok my wording may be taken several ways but allot of phones had bootloader unlockers release before the phone so its not asking for freebies I'm just saying there has to be a way or something to get the ball rolling
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I'll buy every Moto phone released this year if even one moto phone has a bypassable bootloader. Unless you get the signing keys from moto, you're SOL. You don't buy Motorola handsets; you rent them.
Put the heat on them lol
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Xstop said:
I think AT$T will also have a say if the bootloader will be locked as well, and if they do. You know how that's gonna play out..
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What android phones on AT&T have a locked bootloader? The Captivate sure as hell doesn't. The aria doesn't either.
I don't see why AT&T would be 'the bad guy' in this case.
Hes saying the provider has a say in how the phone functions.
Just like how most providers block tethering unless you pay for it.
Hes suggesting that even if moto wanted an unlocked bootloader at&t could say "no we want a locked bootloader so people don't bypass our restrictions".
ApplCobbler said:
What android phones on AT&T have a locked bootloader? The Captivate sure as hell doesn't. The aria doesn't either.
I don't see why AT&T would be 'the bad guy' in this case.
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Moto is the only manufacturer to use something like eFuse on a bootloader. Look at the Moto phones with the eFuse...and none of them are offered on AT&T. While AT&T may have some kind of input on the matter, that point is moot, as the process is one that Moto created, for their own reasons and purposes, and has nothing to do with the carrier(s).
What phones besides Moto's have anything like eFuse? None. The only ones with eFuse are higher end Android phones, phones that AT&T hasn't carried.
Which high end android phones use Efuses? And what could possibly be the reason for wanting to lock a bootloader that bad? Doesn't Google require all scripts and coding ect to be released by phone makers ?
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Motorola did say something about wanting to work with developers, so I'm hoping.. I'll sign an agreement, void my warranty etc..
Moto posted something about their xoom on facebook and at least half the people responding chimed in with something about wanting an unlocked bootloader, I'm not sure how much pressure motorola perceives from this, but I thought it was pretty good.
and unless a moto employee leaks the signing keys, I seriously doubt the bootloader will be unlocked, I doubt they messed up like sony did with the ps3.. unfortunately.
hi,
guys, I don't want to dishearten you but did you think a minute about the way motorola will unlock your bootloader in the future update??
as they will release an update.zip like in the past, I'm not really sure if they will include the unlockable bootloader inside it and, not sure also if an android update can flash a bootloader. So I am a little anxious for you guys, mine is already unlocked...
Its unlocked for ever
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Andrew149 said:
Its unlocked for ever
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you mean locked!? right? lol
Er, dude you really need to read a little bit more on Development forum D:...
Its already unlocked!
Cheers
tan G said:
hi,
guys, I don't want to dishearten you but did you think a minute about the way motorola will unlock your bootloader in the future update??
as they will release an update.zip like in the past, I'm not really sure if they will include the unlockable bootloader inside it and, not sure also if an android update can flash a bootloader. So I am a little anxious for you guys, mine is already unlocked...
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Moto said they are going to do it. They already dont it on the leaked future builds, not to mention the one Kenn is running which is an ATT GB. Not to mention this is the same way the did it on the Xoom. Theres nothing to worry about, its unlocked 4 ever.
lol - it's already done.
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lol - it's already done.
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His point is he thinks its going to be removed from the final build. He states he is already unlocked himself.
LOL Someone needs to read through the forums. Bootloader is unlocked already.
Agree with Jay ... some one needs to read the OP ^_^ LOL
I, maybe just optimistically, think they will. The backlash, *****ing, low sales, the fact they said they would, and the fact that we have it already all points, IMO, to them releasing it. Motorola exec. - "Well the kids already have it so lets release it and make us look good." If they are on our side, at least give us what we want, they sell more. DROID - ground breaking - unlockable - sold like hot cakes. ATRIX - ground breaking - locked - not so much
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Does it really matter? For those that actually want an unlocked bootloader, they can get it in the dev forum. For the average user who will still get the OTA update, they probably didn't care about the bootloader to begin with.
Yaotl said:
Does it really matter? For those that actually want an unlocked bootloader, they can get it in the dev forum. For the average user who will still get the OTA update, they probably didn't care about the bootloader to begin with.
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yup and average users will not probably bother coming to xda.
@OP
you are 2-3 months late regarding the creation of this topic.
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yup and average users will not probably bother coming to xda.
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I'm guess i'm still an 'average user' when it comes to android, but this is where I came to become a superuser (pun intended). I don't think i'm ready to mess with the HK build yet, but I definitely plan to flash a few ROMs when the official unlocked GB update comes through. And if it gets yanked before the final release, hopefully i'll know enough by then to use kenneth's version, or if worst comes to worst, the HK build.
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I'm guess i'm still an 'average user' when it comes to android, but this is where I came to become a superuser (pun intended). I don't think i'm ready to mess with the HK build yet, but I definitely plan to flash a few ROMs when the official unlocked GB update comes through. And if it gets yanked before the final release, hopefully i'll know enough by then to use kenneth's version, or if worst comes to worst, the HK build.
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It's not like the HKTW build is as unstable as the build TBH gave us. The only things that don't work is the front facing camera, and fingerprint sensor.
I just didn't restore from a backup, and you can fix the WebTop. So my phone is running fine, and it seems even more stable than FroYo (Besides the obvious bugs)
tan G said:
hi,
guys, I don't want to dishearten you but did you think a minute about the way motorola will unlock your bootloader in the future update??
as they will release an update.zip like in the past, I'm not really sure if they will include the unlockable bootloader inside it and, not sure also if an android update can flash a bootloader. So I am a little anxious for you guys, mine is already unlocked...
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It really dose not matter if thay include the unlockable bootloader in every update or not. As long as their is a way for it to be done. Thats all the matters. Really only the N1 could be unlocked without much of any hassle. You just needed to know what commands to run,
Once its unlocked. Its unlocked. Cant go back. And just because you flash back to 1.57 or 1.83 and it no longer says "Unlocked" at the top. It is. All you need to do is flash the pudding and it will put those little words back.
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Its already unlocked!
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this is not the case for other atrix versions than att
JayRolla said:
Moto said they are going to do it. They already dont it on the leaked future builds, not to mention the one Kenn is running which is an ATT GB. Not to mention this is the same way the did it on the Xoom. Theres nothing to worry about, its unlocked 4 ever.
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that build is a build for developer and developer devices, there is no garantee that it will be the same for user-end releases, anyway I really hope for all people that you're right.
the sbf used to unlock our phone now (att) has been packed by someone in the dev team may by eval or 2dc... or both
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His point is he thinks its going to be removed from the final build. He states he is already unlocked himself.
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thumbs up! that's what I said
I will always have an unlocked bootloader
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thumbs up! that's what I said
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tang no matter what update motorola does in the future they wont be able to take away the unlock already created. with that said this post is useless, and a mod should close it, this will give the wrong idea to anyone coming to the forum looking for the unlock. who knows what motorola will bring in the future, fact remains, is unlocked and it aint going back.
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So the S3 is showing up with a locked boot loader. The only carrier on the planet doing that. Why? I've heard all sorts of silly excuses from Verizon apologists but ... The recently released HTC Incredible 4G has just been unlocked using the HTC developer site unlock tool. It seems they really don't have a valid reason or they would have forced HTC to lock the 4G down (HTC is hurting very badly financially and is much more likely to have to kiss V's butt that megacorp Samsung).
Flip side: Maybe it's high time for a company that doesn't need to kiss butt, with arguably the worlds most popular phone on their hands, to do something like HTC and make a developer unlock tool. That would make them the heros and add even more positive spin on the phone and the company.
Just an idea
I think with how huge the S3 is compared to the INC4G, they maybe wanted to treat it differently. Besides, not all is lost. Looks like Samsung left a few doors open. The situation doesn't look nearly as bleak as Motorola phones.
I mean..people have only had it a few days and look what we've got so far with the bootloader situation: root and a workaround for custom kernels. Things will come. I think people are just being really impatient because a lot of people don't have it yet and all the excitement, anticipation, hate for Verizon, and anger about the situation is festering and people are causing an uproar much too early.
I'd say if things are still looking bleak after a month or so, you'd have the right to be upset. Definitely not a few days after SOME people get it. At least wait until it's been officially available for a week
Good question! All I know is right now I am enjoying my stock S3. But I am on ATT. I guess last month when I was looking to leave Sprint I made the right choice huh? GSM forever for now! LTE or not!
Akita24 said:
So the S3 is showing up with a locked boot loader. The only carrier on the planet doing that. Why?
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“Network security."
In other words, no reason.
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It's likely a combination of a few things. Locked bootloaders allow them to get you to purchase more phones as upgrades slow down. But in their defense, a significant portion of users with custom ROMs that allow bad software (not really sure what) could actually be harmful to the network. Their product is the network, they don't really care about the few percentage of people that actually care about this stuff.
Which sucks for us.
Forgive my ignorance, but what does having a locked bootloader mean on a GS3?
Not rootable? no custom roms? Since its CDMA and NOT GSM, there is no "unlock" to use on another network? I'm a little confused (and an android noob)
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Forgive my ignorance, but what does having a locked bootloader mean on a GS3?
Not rootable? no custom roms? Since its CDMA and NOT GSM, there is no "unlock" to use on another network? I'm a little confused (and an android noob)
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Basically, when we say locked we mean encrypted. Pretty much every phone comes with a locked bootloader, it's just often easy to unlock.
When you boot up a phone, the bootloader is the first thing that loads. It checks signatures of whatever ROM you have, in some cases. This is called a signed bootloader. So you'd have to have a ROM/kernel/whatever signed with the same signature as the bootloader-- i.e., Samsung, in this case. You can sometimes spoof this key, but this bootloader is encrypted, on the SGS3. When a bootloaderis encrypted, it is pretty much impossible to fool, and it becomes very hard to load custom software on the device.
Araltd said:
Forgive my ignorance, but what does having a locked bootloader mean on a GS3?
Not rootable? no custom roms? Since its CDMA and NOT GSM, there is no "unlock" to use on another network? I'm a little confused (and an android noob)
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You can still flash custom roms I believe but no custom kernels until the boot loader is unlocked. It also makes other mods and recoveries a pain to install and run....it's mainly just a pain in the ass.
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OK got it. Thanks.
Akita24 said:
So, what's Big Reds excuse?
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$$$$$$$$$$$$
At the end of the day, no matter what they say about anything, it always comes back to that.
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$$$$$$$$$$$$
At the end of the day, no matter what they say about anything, it always comes back to that.
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Yep. /thread
bbeelzebub said:
$$$$$$$$$$$$
At the end of the day, no matter what they say about anything, it always comes back to that.
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Agreed. Unlocked bootloader = easy root = tether apps run = more drain on the network = greater expense for the carrier. People who run modded roms and kernels tend to hold on to their phones longer, carrier may be losing money.
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Agreed. Unlocked bootloader = easy root = tether apps run = more drain on the network = greater expense for the carrier. People who run modded roms and kernels tend to hold on to their phones longer, carrier may be losing money.
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The fault in your logic is that tethering is included in the shared data plans now. Anyone on these new plans can use it which I would guess could soon outnumber those who root and tether.
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The fault in your logic is that tethering is included in the shared data plans now. Anyone on these new plans can use it which I would guess could soon outnumber those who root and tether.
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That, and with the exception of those of us who still have the unlimited data plans (which cannot be but so many people anymore), the user will pay for whatever data he uses.
Concern about tethering is no longer a valid excuse. ...even with Money being the motivating factor.
https://twitter.com/VZWSupport/status/221438243428765698
Do you believe everything posted on twitter?
Nope. Since I know it isn't true.
Verizon asked Samsung.
Serious_Beans said:
You can still flash custom roms I believe but no custom kernels until the boot loader is unlocked. It also makes other mods and recoveries a pain to install and run....it's mainly just a pain in the ass.
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Good news about the custom ROMs. I suppose this means that the phone may be rooted, so wireless tethering and nice programs such as Titanium Backup are possible. But, what is the additional advantage of having a custom kernel? Is that something to really look forward to?
Metups said:
Good news about the custom ROMs. I suppose this means that the phone may be rooted, so wireless tethering and nice programs such as Titanium Backup are possible. But, what is the additional advantage of having a custom kernel? Is that something to really look forward to?
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By “custom ROMs" I think he meant “Touchwiz-based custom ROMs"
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I tweeted them about this too. Their response:
We want you to have a great experience with your device! We do not support unlocked bootloaders.
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See guys? They're doing us a favor!
I just read an article on Gizmodo with same topic so wanted to share it with the community to answer the big question, Why don't Google do some thing good with Motorola and its old devices.
http://gizmodo.com/5940715/hey-goog...-out-a-jelly-bean-phone-when-you-own-motorola
Ask NASA why they cannot send a man to the Moon like in 1969?
"All you need is money..."
sms2000 said:
Ask NASA why they cannot send a man to the Moon like in 1969?
"All you need is money..."
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True and since they recently downsize 20% i think we should give them some time before they start to kick so ass. After all they are Mother [email protected]#$%^& Google.
Well, at least they are offering Jelly Bean/ $100 discount for those who own Motorola devices launched in 2011 and later.. That's a start, yeah?
Sent from that Atrix... Motorola, where's my ICS?!
Yeah...in the US only ! Because **** the rest of the world right ?
DannyBiker said:
Yeah...in the US only ! Because **** the rest of the world right ?
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Honesty so few people know or care about updates have like 3 friends with droids that didn't know their sensations had upgrades waiting. So obviously we are the vast minority. Also who on xda doesn't have an unlocked bootloader. I'm sure we'll have fruitcakes soon after the us launch
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About three months ago I purchased Samsung Galaxy Note for its screen size mainly. Getting to that age it hurts looking at small screen for a long period of time. Unfortunately, I have been left without my Samsung Galaxy Note for a month because of the mess and very poor service I have received from my network provider. On the happy note, I'm collecting a brand new one today. So I have been using my Atrix heavily again in the past month.
I have now owned my Atrix for over a year now and I can say I have never been happy with the software side of Atrix. When I started using Samsung Note I even more realised how badly Atrix's ROM was cooked. I own the international version of Atrix and Motorola never released any updates after the GB firmware upgrade in the UK. I'm extremely furious I had to put up with Motorola's shortcomings and ignorance towards its international users.
I cannot simply throw away my Atrix as I still need the phone as Samsung Galaxy Note is too big to carry in my pocket. I rather carry Atrix in my pocket than Note but I prefer using Note for everything else and Note is a pleasure to use for both reading and writing. I love it.
I have never unlocked the bootloader for the warranty reason first and then I don't believe custom ROMs are that better when it comes to the reliability. What deeply bothers me is that Motorola will not allow I unlock the bootloader legally/officially even after my two year european warranty is over. Take my word for it I would unlock the BL after the warranty is over should I need to and wouldn't give a monkey to Google/Motorola about it.
Atrix would still be a good backup phone even for the entire 2013 so I am wishing Motorola would finally do the right/honorable thing by releasing a solid ROM, be it ICS or JB. There is a significant difference between GB and ICS when it comes to user-experience and that is why Atrix will shine with it.
As it stands, I would never give my money to the Motorola again even if they had the best phones on the market. Making promises to the new customers when you have not shown loyalty to your old customers only shows your business hasn't been changed. I would have believed Motorola when they gave international users a solid quarter release date for older devices when on stage trying to sell new handsets. What Motorola did to international Atrix users and other devices is not something I would forget that easily. I will always be there to tell my experience about you, Motorola.
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Also who on xda doesn't have an unlocked bootloader.
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All those people that had the latest official update installed which came with an unlockable bootloader.
Google owns Motorola but they are not getting any special treatment. They have to wait lie any other manufacturer.
Motorola unveils 3 new Razr phones : http://usat.ly/RLZI8u
Read towards the bottom.
"Woodside says Motorola is not getting favorable treatment from Google though it's now part of the Google family. "Motorola is treated the way every other (manufacturer) is treated," he said during an interview. The company receives the Android software code the same day that rival handset makers get it. And Google doesn't get any special exposure to Motorola engineers."
That being said, this thread's question is answered.
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ravilov said:
All those people that had the latest official update installed which came with an unlockable bootloader.
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All those people that had the latest official update installed which came with a LOCKED bootloader.
There, fixed it for you...
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consolation said:
All those people that had the latest official update installed which came with a LOCKED bootloader.
There, fixed it for you...
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No, he's right, a lot of people got their Atrixes with an unlockable bootloader, you can find plenty of info about it here in the forum.
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sms2000 said:
Ask NASA why they cannot send a man to the Moon like in 1969?
"All you need is money..."
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Did they..... ?
u gotta be kidding me
MaxK47 said:
No, he's right, a lot of people got their Atrixes with an unlockable bootloader, you can find plenty of info about it here in the forum.
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No! They got a LOCKED bootloader.
Unlockable = can be unlocked and unsigned firmware installed.
Locked = can NOT be unlocked, you can ONLY install official signed firmware from Motorola.
Even if English is your second language, this is basic grammar.
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consolation said:
No! They got a LOCKED bootloader.
Unlockable = can be unlocked and unsigned firmware installed.
Locked = can NOT be unlocked, you can ONLY install official signed firmware from Motorola.
Even if English is your second language, this is basic grammar.
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OK, fine. I guess what I meant was UNunlockable.
Nitpick.
EDIT: I guess the actual proper term would be "non-unlockable".
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OK, fine. I guess what I meant was UNunlockable.
Nitpick.
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To his credit, you did say the exact opposite of what you were trying to communicate I chuckled at ununlockable though.
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/Moto...soak-test-prior-to-Android-6.0-update_id87282
The Update is official and is coming soon!!
Horaaay
Sparksys said:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Moto...soak-test-prior-to-Android-6.0-update_id87282
The Update is official and is coming soon!!
Horaaay
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end of the line for updates. but i love my xt1254, 2 years old and smokes most newer phones. out performs almost everything i think pff and at 21mp i can record much better amature porn lol
How much time this soak test will take?
hmm.
I SURE HOPE NOBODY LEAKS THE ROM FROM THE SOAK TEST somehow.
We don't know for sure this is 6.0, do we? There's nothing in the picture that indicates that it's 6.0. For all we know it might be another patch to stop Sunshine.
Which would really be an insult. We (VZ) can't give you OS and security updates but we darn well try to be sure you don't update your phone yourself.
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We don't know for sure this is 6.0, do we? There's nothing in the picture that indicates that it's 6.0. For all we know it might be another patch to stop Sunshine.
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y8s said:
hmm.
I SURE HOPE NOBODY LEAKS THE ROM FROM THE SOAK TEST somehow.
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Very subtle /sarcasm
I am rather counting on it. I have RR 6.0.1 and love it. It is fast, stable and has cool features. However the official build with VoLTE would have merit. I am sure it is just a matter of time.
y8s said:
hmm.
I SURE HOPE NOBODY LEAKS THE ROM FROM THE SOAK TEST somehow.
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y8s said:
hmm.
I SURE HOPE NOBODY LEAKS THE ROM FROM THE SOAK TEST somehow.
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Someone needs to be the guinea pig to see whether it relocks, the bootloader.
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Someone needs to be the guinea pig to see whether it relocks, the bootloader.
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No one needs be the guinea pig, but someone does need to look at the update script to see if a bootloader relock command is in it. Betcha it isn't.
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No one needs be the guinea pig, but someone does need to look at the update script to see if a bootloader relock command is in it. Betcha it isn't.
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This is Verizon we're talking about. Wouldn't surprise me if it does relock.
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This is Verizon we're talking about. Wouldn't surprise me if it does relock.
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Judging from the threads of what happened to the phones of people who tried to do that, it would result in a ton of warranty claims. Verizon doesn't want that.
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Judging from the threads of what happened to the phones of people who tried to do that, it would result in a ton of warranty claims. Verizon doesn't want that.
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Right. The potential downside is far larger than any gain to Verizon from relocking the bootloader.
They WILL probably lock down the phone from the Sunshine exploit with the new update, and probably they'll lock it down for good this time. So if you want to unlock your phone, do it before the next update.
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Right. The potential downside is far larger than any gain to Verizon from relocking the bootloader.
They WILL probably lock down the phone from the Sunshine exploit with the new update, and probably they'll lock it down for good this time. So if you want to unlock your phone, do it before the next update.
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while i completely agree, it would be funny if Lenovo *actually, for once fixed* what Motorola used to do. in this scenario, they should open the floodgates, and just allow unlock for all turbos bl for everyone. Two years later, i am sure there are few, if any, still retaining warranty and stuck on contract.
limit the time that you agree to keep phones bootloader locked. and always, always, always give the 1% of the 1% of users the option to buy a dev edition.
back to the point, it would cost them more money to write that into the update for the sake of us 1%ers, so i dont see it happening.
time will tell if the turbo is another a855; that phone people cling to for 2-3 years realizing upgrading isnt that necessary. I'm ready for a new one. but i refuse to buy another non- bootloader unlockable phone EVER. and nothing at all is really impressive at this point. the Axon 7 is awesome. and a maybe. but moto lost it. if they made a 2016 MXPE with an sd 820 better battery and wireless charging and all carriers radios, id pay $600 in a heartbeat. but what do 1%ers know? lol.
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while i completely agree, it would be funny if Lenovo *actually, for once fixed* what Motorola used to do. in this scenario, they should open the floodgates, and just allow unlock for all turbos bl for everyone. Two years later, i am sure there are few, if any, still retaining warranty and stuck on contract.
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They don't give a crap about warranty claims...it's always been about control for Verizon. Used to, it was down to them not wanting people to tether and take advantage of their high/unlimited data caps...since that's been built into Android for several versions now, I'm not sure what their rationale for disallowing unlocks is. Probably to prevent what we're doing; upgrading the software on our more-than-adequate hardware.
They'd rather you lock yourself into a contract and buy one of their new phones, after all. Trying to force you to do so is worth having one of their devs spend an hour or three to port the exploit patch(es) and write a code snippet to lock the bootloader, and not providing an unlock service just saves them money.
As for Lenovorola, they couldn't care less; they've already made any money that they can off of the phones. There's zero incentive for them to help in any way, especially since the phone is over two years old and was designed/produced during the promising-looking period that Google owned Motorola. They, too, would prefer you buy a new phone, perhaps one of their increasingly-generic ones.
So yea...it's still in VZW's best interest to be slightly scummy about the bootloader situation. They'll make more money off spending a bit to continue to (try to) exert their control, rather than caring about what any of their customers want.
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I like this bit at the end of the article:
There is one bit of bad news here for DROID Turbo owners. Since the device is not expected to be updated to Android 7.0, this is the end of the line in terms of Android updates for the model.
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Considering official MM on Verizon was looking more and more unlikely to materialize, I imagine that most will just shrug their shoulders at this. It's been a given for a long time that the Turbo was hanging on to VZW's upgrade list by its fingernails.
Sweet!
@jcase says he has a copy of Verizon's Marshmallow. It's coming.
He also says it much harder to unlock the bootloader, so best to do it now if you are going to do it.
Hopefully this is another fake soak and they release it concurrently. From what I've heard, a lot of prior moto soaks were put out as otas almost at the same time. As Verizon users, we need that radio for our nougat rom!!!
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Hopefully this is another fake soak and they release it concurrently. From what I've heard, a lot of prior moto soaks were put out as otas almost at the same time. As Verizon users, we need that radio for our nougat rom!!!
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one of the reasons i quit being a soak tester, it was pointless.
quantum tao said:
one of the reasons i quit being a soak tester, it was pointless.
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Hehe, Verizon didn't like knowing I was rooted. They dropped me from the program.