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http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/17404-screen-comparison-versus-a-xoom-with-pics/
I actually managed to get my broken device working again. Btw, I think my system.img is floating around the Intwerwebs -- if you come across a "asus.t101.system.img.gz" that's 312MB expanded, I would recommend you avoid it as that's my half-baked Chinese firmware that seems to have caused all my screen issues.
I curse you for giving me yet another reason to obsess about when my Transformer will ship from Amazon. Can't wait to set it next to my Xoom and compare...
Wow, quite a difference between the Xoom and the Transformer. Amazing that Asus could undercut the Xoom by so much while having a far superior screen.
Wow, I don't mean to offend Xoom owners, but the screen quality is TERRIBLE
I am glad I got the TF instead of the Xoom now, but the waiting game is killing me. What the heck is SmartQ? Never heard of it before...
Wow! What a difference!
I think that the screen by itself mostly justifies buying the Transformer over the Xoom.
Regards.
The screen quality on my transformer is fantastic, too. Love it!
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I am glad I got the TF instead of the Xoom now, but the waiting game is killing me. What the heck is SmartQ? Never heard of it before...
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It's a slow-as-molasses Telechips Android 2.1 device. BUT, it was the first 10 inch Android device to have an IPS screen and it's what I still use for comics reading - it's been around since December.
Since I don't have an iPad, it's my "similar to iPad" screen device that I use in my comparisons. The Transformer will be replacing it, once I can find a case for it!
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Interesting... I have been looking for a non-apple IPS tablet for a while and I guess I missed it. But from your tone, I didn't miss much.
Since you seem to be collecting tablets, how do you like your TF compare to G-Tablet, or NI Adam in terms of performance? Sorry if this is getting out of topic, perhaps you should do a comparison review in a separate thread?
I should receive my TF-101 tomorrow. I have IPad 1,2 and archos 70. I'll post some pics
Great news to hear that you fixed your Transformer. Those comparison shots so how great the IPS screen is and make me glad I didn't give in to the iconia.
This image from a review makes it look surprisingly visible outdoors in indirect sunlight:
http://techinstyle.tv/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/asus-eee-transformer-in-the-sun.jpg
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It's a slow-as-molasses Telechips Android 2.1 device. BUT, it was the first 10 inch Android device to have an IPS screen and it's what I still use for comics reading - it's been around since December.
Since I don't have an iPad, it's my "similar to iPad" screen device that I use in my comparisons. The Transformer will be replacing it, once I can find a case for it!
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What program do you read comics with on Android? I'd love to find one , haven't looked yet.
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Interesting... I have been looking for a non-apple IPS tablet for a while and I guess I missed it. But from your tone, I didn't miss much.
Since you seem to be collecting tablets, how do you like your TF compare to G-Tablet, or NI Adam in terms of performance? Sorry if this is getting out of topic, perhaps you should do a comparison review in a separate thread?
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I do feel like I'm collecting, but not for long. The Xoom is being returned this week, once I wipe it and clean it up.
I did a comparison between the Xoom and GTAB / Adam last month, and I felt that HC was a but sluggish in the graphics department. This TF101 might have similar issues. But, it's still a speed demon versus my R10, so the latter will eventually get retired and possibly sold.
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What program do you read comics with on Android? I'd love to find one , haven't looked yet.
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I was using SCViewer (which is what is shown in the pics). The reason is that it was the best balance of speed / stability I could find on my R10. But for the Transformer, I might have a few options like ACV, JJComics Viewer or even Perfect Viewer.
I also have a purchased copy of "ComicReader Mobi", but I haven't used that too much as it really wasn't designed for tablets. However, it's probably the most stable comics reader I've used so far. The developer just needs to correct a few things, and I think it would be my app of choice (I've actually posted on his forum about this, as I feel that the definitive cbr/cbz reader has yet to be released).
roebeet, sorry to thread jack, can you take a look at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1051776 and see if you can offer any help?
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roebeet, sorry to thread jack, can you take a look at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1051776 and see if you can offer any help?
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Will do, thanks. One good thing about having a dead device is that you learn how to troubleshoot very quickly.
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This image from a review makes it look surprisingly visible outdoors in indirect sunlight:
http://techinstyle.tv/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/asus-eee-transformer-in-the-sun.jpg
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I was wondering how the Transformer held up in outdoor sunlight. Any reports? I don't see myself using it a ton outside but it would be nice if it is usable outside. More importantly would be how does it hold up in normal daylight inside a vehicle. I can see myself frequently using it on long rides so hopefully the screen and sunlight can get along!
Any thoughts from people who were able to pick one up on launch day?
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I was wondering how the Transformer held up in outdoor sunlight. Any reports? I don't see myself using it a ton outside but it would be nice if it is usable outside. More importantly would be how does it hold up in normal daylight inside a vehicle. I can see myself frequently using it on long rides so hopefully the screen and sunlight can get along!
Any thoughts from people who were able to pick one up on launch day?
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According to the same preview that pic came from, it's usable outdoors in indirect sunlight. Mind you, that's British sunlight -- not quite the same thing as, say, Florida sunlight. ;-)
http://techinstyle.tv/blogs/transformer-long-term-test-why-all-tablets-should-have-an-ips-screen/
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Wow, I don't mean to offend Xoom owners, but the screen quality is TERRIBLE
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Yeah, I returned my Xoom after one week with it. The screen was unbearable, especially coming from the land of AMOLED (Nexus One) and IPS (iPad) screens.
I am debating on which to buy. I've been wanting a tablet for awhile now and have slimmed it down to these two options, but would like some feed back if possible.
I'm looking for s-off and root (quickly glancing at the forums, it looks like both are able to achieve this. I like to toy and tinker with things and having a root, with s-off, is a must for this.
Are there any huge differences between the two? I am liking the additional dock available for the Transformer.
Going to post this in the Transformer forum as well. Iconia people, win me over!
The major differences are that the Transformer has that keyboard dock and a slightly better screen, while the Iconia has built-in USB host and slightly better sound.
I personally greatly prefer having the USB host port built into the device rather than in a bulky dock.
ASUS also appears to be doing a slightly better job of providing software updates than is Acer.
I'll be ordering an Iconia on Friday. I have seen both in the flesh and normal use as at work there's 1 guy with an Iconia and 2 with Transformers. The Iconia seems solidly built and no slower than the Transformer on 3.1, and the screens are almost identical. Not to mention the built in USB.
On the other hand both Transformers have been replaced already, one with a strange screen issue that looked like a liquid under the glass when you touched the screen, and one because the case doesn't line up properly - it creaks noticeably if you hold it landscape fashion.
Also I've been buying Acer kit for years (3 laptops and a netbook so far) and the oldest is still going strong after 5 years, no build quality issues in any of the Acer kit i've bought contrary to popular belief, and they've lasted longer than some of the so called premium brands we use at work.
I have a500 and a Transformer so, I think I can answer to your question... If you want my 2 cents opinion, the a500 is way better. I think the screen is more responsive and more brighten. Plus the transformer's screen get incredibly dirty very quickly. The usb thing has no comparison. Just, for example, I bought a cheap silicon keyboard and it works pretty well with the iconia. Same about the mouse. The transformer has just 2 advantages: 1) it's lighter 2) it has a way better microphone. About all the rest it is inferior or equal to the iconia.
If the mic, for you, is a must then buy a Transforemer. If it's not... then buy a a500.
Try both and decide for yourself. You will be happier.
Don't let others do your thinking for you.
If you can, definitely try both as bungaboy suggests, your own preferences may certainly steer you in a different path. In the end it could quite simply come down to something as off-the-cuff as the location of the front-facing camera.
In terms of companies, I currently have an Acer laptop (very happy with) and an Acer monitor (happy with), and have purchased and installed about 6 ASUS motherboards and video cards over time (only 1 less-than-stellar experience with those) so I'd happily recommend either company in general.
Just a quick reply before I go to work. I live in Japan. I don't have a Best Buy here. They have a Iconia A500 at the BX and I've played with it some, but can't compare to the Transformer.
I'll reply back later today when I have more time. Thanks for all the good input!
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Just a quick reply before I go to work. I live in Japan. I don't have a Best Buy here. They have a Iconia A500 at the BX and I've played with it some, but can't compare to the Transformer.
I'll reply back later today when I have more time. Thanks for all the good input!
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Alright. Thanks for all your replies everyone. I am and will decide for myself but since I cannot try out both I was reaching out to the community to give me their pro's and con's so I can weigh them for my own decision.
I'll have to go back to the BX later and play around with the Iconia some more. I didn't really play with the form factor, but what I really like from the Transformer is the keyboard/battery/etc dock. From my understanding it'll be future-compatible too.
why do you like the dock? will you carry with you all the time? if not, pointless. if you want a tab and a keyboard, wait a few more months till the asus eee slide comes out. i got an iconia, and as much as everyone at work bashes me for it, i can do much more than their ipad2
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why do you like the dock? will you carry with you all the time? if not, pointless. if you want a tab and a keyboard, wait a few more months till the asus eee slide comes out. i got an iconia, and as much as everyone at work bashes me for it, i can do much more than their ipad2
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I was going in with the idea of selling my laptop and leaving the dock at home and use while I'm there. And what is the eee slide? I was also looking at the ASUS W7 tablet they have.
Iconia is my preference... cause of USB port.
Is the Iconia capable of good tablet drawing?
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I have a500 and a Transformer so, I think I can answer to your question... If you want my 2 cents opinion, the a500 is way better. I think the screen is more responsive and more brighten. Plus the transformer's screen get incredibly dirty very quickly. The usb thing has no comparison. Just, for example, I bought a cheap silicon keyboard and it works pretty well with the iconia. Same about the mouse. The transformer has just 2 advantages: 1) it's lighter 2) it has a way better microphone. About all the rest it is inferior or equal to the iconia.
If the mic, for you, is a must then buy a Transforemer. If it's not... then buy a a500.
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lol, ignorance is bliss, eh? it is a well known fact that the Transformer screen is the second best android tablet screen on the market right now (after Gtab 10.1) while the Iconia screen is far behind.
OP, just go in store and compare the two side by side with the screen set at max brightness. You'll see the big difference especially when viewing from an angle. The Asus blows the Iconia away in this respect.
my 2 cents:
Asus Transformer
-way better screen (most important feature in a tablet, imho)
-a lot lighter then the Iconia (Iconia is the heaviest Android tablet)
-faster updates
-less freezes & runs smoother
-dock option
Acer Iconia
-USB port (the Transformer only has this on the dock)
-better built? allegedly. (my Asus is also very solid but the Iconia metal back feels stronger)
-better sound
-better camera (with flash)
For me it boils down to needing a USB port or not & to wanting the dock option or not.
If you don't need the USB port, then the Transformed is the obvious choice.
If you do (and don't want to spend the extra $150 for the dock) then go for the Acer.
Also if you really want a better screen and the dock option, again the obvious choice is the TF.
good luck & enjoy your new toy either or!
I just purchased the Iconia myself. But from forum postings of people who have bought both and checked them out, it seems people are generally more satisfied with the Transformer (apart from the people who got bleeding screens).
The guy above summed it up pretty well.
I bought both when the Staples coupon came out (Inconia from staples, TF from Office Depot), and kept them sealed in box for a couple of days while I did my research on which one I wanted to keep.
I spent a couple of hours over a few stores comparing and then read a bunch on forums, etc.
There is really no reasonable argument for Acer screen over the Asus. The TF is brighter and displays more colors, this is a fact, not opinion. I also thought things looked slightly sharper on the TF (perhaps it was due to the better contrast). I did not like the one port pulling all duties and its location (understandable as its for the keyboard as well). I have no intention of using a keyboard with any tab that use (I have laptops for that). The TF design appeals to me more, I like it's shape more.
I chose the Iconia over the TF due to the additional ports, better xda dev support and numerous reports of quality controls issues on the TF. Frankly, the last issue was the biggest factor in my decision.
The one complaint I have about the Iconia is the screen. It leaves MUCH to be desired. I'm not sure if it's a problem with the Iconia or with Android tablet screens in general, but you can easily see individual pixels on the screen if you hold the device closer than usual.
Text also is somewhat blurry, not sure if this is an issue with Android text rendering or with Iconia's screen.
Everything else is great though.
Hi, i'm planning to buy an iconia, but i've read on soms sites that the display can only display 265k colors while other devices have 16million.
Is this true? And if so, do you really recognise it if you compare it directly to another device?
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Yes Plestiuc, ignorance is a bliss... Even not being able to understand what's written is a bliss... and even attention lack is. If you re-read what I wrote, hoping you're able to focus on all the world and not just on random ones... you will notice I wrote: "If you want my 2 cents opinion". If you do not know the meaning of the word: "Opinion", I do suggest you to go back to elementary school.
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even tho the iconia is heavy keep in mind that all of the tablets are to heavy to comfortably hold with one hand for more than 5 min. soo I dont know how much the little wieght difference matters....
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Flussen said:
Hi, i'm planning to buy an iconia, but i've read on soms sites that the display can only display 265k colors while other devices have 16million.
Is this true? And if so, do you really recognise it if you compare it directly to another device?
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In all seriousness, you can't see it. I like the colors on both tablets, and the screen on the transformer is superb. But when I play a movie (the guy at the store let me try a video on the display transformer) I don't notice a difference. The black on the TF is a bit darker, and that's about it.
I didn't think that a built in USB was going to matter to me, but I am actually using it a TON. Thank you so much ACER!
I have got some bestbuy giftcards and now I want a honeycomb tab that is $399 so which of the two would you get or would you have picked the transformer over your Acer?
Thanks guys
I think ill get the a500 because I like the Cam and flash
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It boiled down to the USB port for me. I knew I wouldn't buy the Asus dock, so for me the Transformer didn't cut it. It's ultimately personal preference, as I think they're both great value compared to the competition.
I love the weight of the a500, its solid construction. The full usb did it for me also. But it is a fully loaded Hog. Love it, Went to best buy and felt up all of there tabs. Good luck with your choice, they all work really good. My choice goes to the a500 and soon the a100.
I have had excelent service and proformance from acer products over the years.
Here is my story. I knew nothing of Android tablet. First I drove to 5 different stores, but all out of HP TouchPad. Then I got:
1. Acer Iconia A100: Promptly returned it even with my lack of experience: poor screen, horrid WiFi signal (couldn't detect my router 35-40ft away).
2. Asus Transformer: Excellent device, liked everything about it. Then I found out about the Toshiba Thrive with full size USB, full size SD (+ SDXC support), full size HDMI. Returned Asus.
3. Toshiba Thrive: Excellent device, liked everything about it, good screen quality despite not IPS. Poor camera quality, no LED Flash, so far slower community development than other tablets.
4. Acer A500: Poked about this forum and found out how advance the commnunity development of the Acer A500 is. And the fact it has all the necessary ports including full USB and nicer looking than the Thrive. Sold. Much better WiFi signal than A100, on par with the Asus. It looks like I'm settled with this one.
Personally I would get the A500 over Transformer, due to its full size USB, which open up lots of features, such as connecting mouse, keyboard, game controller, flash drives, 3G dongles(?). I prefer the Acer microHDMI over the Asus miniHDMI, since my phone also uses micro. They both have good WiFi detection and same weight. The performance are basically the same. The Asus has a nicer IPS screen. I can't confirm it, but base on reviews, the Asus will have longer battery life.
Personally, I can never understand these questions, which have been asked ad nausium... You are asking in the A500 forum....we have A500's!!! We chose A500's. We did not chose transformers. It's like asking transformer owners which they would choose, in the transformer forum. Sheeesh. Sorry....just sick of the question.
i actually enjoyed reading the opinions because up until two days ago i was going to buy the transformer....or wait for the tf2, but decided on the Acer Iconia A500 because i can plug in any standard usb device without a dock. That and because i know they are all essentially the same device with minor differences.
Thanks alot for the replies peeps I actually choose the thrive because of the ports on it I travel alot and it was basicly free, because I had buy back on the Droid incredible so thanks I really wanted the a500 but best buy was sold out . Good thing I never looked into the thrive. Plus I was already running late for a flight so thanks alot guys! And to the guy with a stick up his bum yea I asked in this forum because I figured I might get a person that had the a500 and wish or bought something else.
The thrive all in all is a great choice for me as it has up to 130gb SD slot, HDMI not micro, mini USB, and standard USB, yes its a big tab but the rubber grin is really important for me lol sweaty hands and giving its as heavy as first Gen ipad I like that I don't want to break my new toy. And please I'm not saying this to be mean or anything I just wanted to share my thought since you all were nice -1 to share yours!
Thank you again,
Brett
PS sorry for horrid grammar and all I have my 11month old on my lap
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Oh brother.
The fact is, if you had just done a little searching, you would have found many threads giving the exact "advise" you were looking for.
TFordham said:
Oh brother.
The fact is, if you had just done a little searching, you would have found many threads giving the exact "advise" you were looking for.
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Please stop. Your post was decidedly negative. You contributed nothing other than to say "omg you suck for asking a question". If you dont like something you should just move on. I sometimes suck at it myself.
If you plan on doing alot of video chatting with the tablet, the A500 is kind of a pain because the FFC is off to the side. You have to hold the tablet at an ackward angle for the other person to have a good view of you.
The Transformer seems to have its FFC in a much better place - almost dead in the middle.
Sorry, maybe a silly question. I can read much about the transforner but i never find anything about the slider. - is it to uninteresting or am i blind?
sorry for my opoor englisch
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i assume once its actually released it will get its own forum section.
and yes the damn thing is boring as hell and i personally have no interest.
So I am not blind- It has no own thread yet.
But I can´t undertstand why you mean it is so boring- it is the same as the transformer but with integratet keyboard.
( ok -the dock of the transformer with real usb+ extra batery- but the rest....)
kind regards gandalf
It's not only uninteresting it's hideous and worse than the Transformer in everyway IMO. Fixed angle netbook or a clunky tablet. You're going to be stuck with the weight forever.
fixed angle is what killed it for me
The fixed angle turns out to give the best viewing angle, I found. At first I hated the idea but it's works perfectly for typing since you're close to the tablet, and I also like it for reading news at the breakfast table and watching videos when its sitting on a coffee table and I'm on the couch.
The tablet is now shipping, BTW. Hope it gets its own forum section soon.
I just posted a 30 minute video review on MTR:
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=41377
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The fixed angle turns out to give the best viewing angle, I found. At first I hated the idea but it's works perfectly for typing since you're close to the tablet, and I also like it for reading news at the breakfast table and watching videos when its sitting on a coffee table and I'm on the couch.
The tablet is now shipping, BTW. Hope it gets its own forum section soon.
I just posted a 30 minute video review on MTR:
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=41377
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Wow, nice review.
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i assume once its actually released it will get its own forum section.
and yes the damn thing is boring as hell and i personally have no interest.
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They had stock on 16GB & 32GB at Newegg last week, now all sold.
ASUS Eee Pad Slider SL101-A1-BR Tablet PC - Mocha NVIDIA Tegra 2 1.00GHz 10.1" 1GB Memory DDR2 16GB Flash HDD NVIDIA ULP GeForce
Maybe they had only 2 in stock. LOL.
I prefer TF101 before SL101, too. If you might own more than one tablet it makes sense to have one bluetooth keyboard - which works on many devices. Mapping keys from Apple bluetooth keyboard to TF101 might be interesting....
Slider looks interesting, but yes its heavier than tablet tf, and main pain: no extra battery.
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The fixed angle turns out to give the best viewing angle, I found. At first I hated the idea but it's works perfectly for typing since you're close to the tablet, and I also like it for reading news at the breakfast table and watching videos when its sitting on a coffee table and I'm on the couch.
The tablet is now shipping, BTW. Hope it gets its own forum section soon.
I just posted a 30 minute video review on MTR:
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=41377
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fixed angle is a horrable design choise, ill deside what angle i want ,
Niemand sprecht ueber der Slider denn er ist die selbe im vergleich zu den TF101. Auch ich denke das neimand er jetzt haben.
I think no one is really talking about since since it's essentially the same thing as the TF101 with the dock. Also isn't it just in the pre-release stage (no one actually has it yet)?
It's available from US retailers, but I believe the first shipments have sold out. I bought one from Amazon a few days ago.
I had to ask again, because i don´t know what i will buy: transformer or slider.
Ok -without the dock the slider ist heavyer, the look is a matter of opinion, but the rest rest is just the same- that´s what i read, or am i wrong?
- Ok if there is no way to root- that will be a reason but are here other important reasons?
kind regards- and sorry for my englisch again.
gandalf
In the transformer dock you have also a touchpad..in the slider not..this is a great advantage in buying a transformer IMHO..
Don't forget the 16 hr bat life in the tf and my hardware mod to add in a 500 GB hard drive.
I think it's a matter of needs. For me the dock made the TF different from the other tablets and since I did want a netbook replacement it was a no brainer. However the Slider has a built in keyboard and if somebody has a need for a tablet to use with a keyboard... There you go, built in. No extra battery use due to the bluetooth connection, no cables for an usb one, less bulk than a keyboard dock, and you can't forget to bring the keyboard. Also being built in there isn't the issue of where to put that keyboard in a bag or whatever. Also it's lighter than the Transformer with the dock.
Couldn't care less about the Slider, but I see what other people with different needs and tastes could like in it.
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Personaly i dont like it. Its ugly i hate physical keyboards . At least with the tf101 i have a choice but it actually looks better with the dock. Than having a built in keyboard.
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Got my slider today
I got my slider today from circuitcity.com, I went with them instead of NewEgg because they had cheaper overnight shipping. I have had it in my hands for a few hours and so far I am really liking it. I previously owned a Transformer and I can say that the screen on the slider seems better from what I remember, it's brighter and has better viewing angles. The build quality of the slider is very good and the keyboard typing experience is excellent. The size/weight is way better than then TF/keyboard combo.
The TF/Keyboard combo makes everyone think you are just using a netbook. All of my co-workers think I am using a tablet and when I slide it open their first response is "wow that's so cool!" For those of you bashing the slider my response is - thanks so much to Asus for thinking outside the box and giving us these unique tablet choices instead of the copy-cat slabs everyone else is making. The TF and Slider are 2 of most unique Android tablets currently available and you decide for yourself which best suits your needs.
Hey XDA - please start an Asus Slider forum for us
I have to say that one of the really cool thing about Android, both phones and tablets, is the choice of designs and features. It's already a very varied ecosystem, and I don't think the Transformer or Slider is "better", I think they're really two different designs that suit different needs and people.
I do agree the display is brighter on the Slider though, and it has less glare- though that may be influenced by the much maligned fixed slider angle that might just be well positioned to reduce glare. I have my TF and Slider side by side on the same table with the same desktop image, and the Slider is brighter and has a more neutral color bias.
How is the keyboard on the slider compared the TF keyboard. let's fae it, the TF keyboard is really a netbook keyboard, so it's almost full size. The slider keyboard looks alot smaller. I think that I woul mis my trackpad too... Not sure yet though,,..
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We have seen many videos out there of the new Acer Iconia a700... Theoretically it was going to be something more different than just the screen resolution in comparison to the A510.
But researching a little bit on the latest videos in youtube, seems that the case is exactly the same as the A510, no flashlight for the camera, no rough backcase, and I guess that as hot as the A510.
Anyone has any more information about? Even in the description of amazon.de says that it got flashlight...
I am feeling like if they are playing with us.... like if we do not have any choice else (do we?)
P.D: Sorry, I think it would fit better in the A500 forum... can any admin move it please...
This is the forum for the ASUS TF300T, not any Acer product. There is currently no forum for the A700, so the best palce to ask your question would be here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1645168
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