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Ok, as far as i can tell no one has mentioned this, i appologise if i have missed it as i know some people on here get a bit righteous on here.
SO the camera. , on the HD the camera was the only major thing that really sucked, it did everything else i was expecting of it but that camera really was crap in anything but perfect light conditions.
has anyone heard anything about this HD2 and its camera, its the same MP spec obviously but that means nothing, forget the LED lights they are a gimic at best. Whats needed is a larger CCD and lens, not pixel density, so whats the word on the streets guys? can this thing suck in more light than its older brother and not suffer major lag as the device tried to compensate? and is the shutter responce higher reducing those blured pics that can happen even in perfect day light?
here you have some samples
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=8987
and more here
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-hd2-5mp-camera-gets-reviewed-distinctly-average-1259864/
it is average... nothing good, but nothing bad... but i think those are samples from pre release... so it can change...
Yeah the camera sucks
Actually, judging by the videos I've seen, HD2's camera is very fast (almost instant) when focusing, which makes it usable in real-life conditions, unlike HD's.
dazza9075 said:
forget the LED lights they are a gimic at best.
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I beg to differ... While I completely agree that LED flash is no match for a "real" xenon flash, it is useful as it allows to take pictures that wouldn't be possible otherwise - you can take a picture of your friends in a bar and stuff like that (which in my case is like 90% of all the scenes I want to take pictures of )
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is the shutter responce higher reducing those blured pics that can happen even in perfect day light?
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My major gripe with HD was very slow focusing - it just didn't allow to shoot anything. HD2 is 10 times better - it almost works like a focus-free camera in terms of speed (at least that's what I saw on some hands-on video).
Fast it may be, but the pictures i have seen so far are of terrible quality, but what can you expect from a cmos lens?
CMOS sensor, you mean?
I certainly don't consider those pictures to be of "terrible" quality. They are noisy and all, but if I can use my phone to make something like that I'd be quite satisfied, for anything better I'd use a "real" camera. The problem with my HD is that I can't use it at all because it's so slow that the scene changes several times before it shoots anything.
Well my nokia 5800 only has 3.2mp and it blows those pictures away. CRAP
Yeah, i know LED lights can have a use, especially up close as you say taking pics in the bar, which ironically is exactly the poor lighting i tried with the HD to no avail!
so i take that back.
Shutter speed would be good, ive lost too many good photos because the wind was pushing me enough to slightly blur everything.
I never even thought to check if the HD cam was CCD or CMOS,
its a bit bizzar if thats the case because although CCD has a higher quality it should be slightly slower than CMOS, which it clearly isnt, which makes me wonder what exactly is slowing the whole thing down.
Well as for the (perfect lighting conditions and zero blur) quality of the HD im more than happy, so i hope HTC can build on it and make it faster.
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Well my nokia 5800 only has 3.2mp and it blows those pictures away. CRAP
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thats all rather subjectional really, my old XDA 2 produces better pics at the cost of resolution, so yes in a small printout it could be better but not when blown up. most people do not need anything more than 3.2mp, if my HD was any quicker on 3.2 id use it.
Most printers in peoples homes arent capable of printing the difference between 3.2 and 5 unless its enlarged anyway!
ive yet to see any good shots from a production HD2 but if its like the HD and its "perfect lighting" the quality is quite amazing, perfect lighting is the operative statement there though for the HD so i can only hope the HD2 can push that bar back a bit!
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its a bit bizzar if thats the case because although CCD has a higher quality it should be slightly slower than CMOS, which it clearly isnt, which makes me wonder what exactly is slowing the whole thing down.
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As far as I understand (and I'm not an expert so I may be wrong), there are two problems:
One is obviously the crappy optics (small and made of cheap plastic and such) which do not let enough light come through, combined with a tiny sensor, resulting in lower shutter speeds required to take a picture - thus you get the blur.
Two is the way auto focus works - it's not measuring distance to the object, but instead analyzes the image from the sensor for sharpness and then adjusts focus until the blur goes away. This requires some calculations, obviously. All (or most) non-professional cameras work this way, but "real" cameras have dedicated processors for this stuff, and don't do it in "software" mode - hence, they are much speedier. The same must apply to HD2 - Snapdragon has some camera module AFAIK, and/or is much faster overall than the processor in HD (and it's not just the clock speed, the Cortex A8 architecture is way more efficient).
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As far as I understand (and I'm not an expert so I may be wrong), there are two problems:
One is obviously the crappy optics (small and made of cheap plastic and such) which do not let enough light come through, combined with a tiny sensor, resulting in lower shutter speeds required to take a picture - thus you get the blur.
Two is the way auto focus works - it's not measuring distance to the object, but instead analyzes the image from the sensor for sharpness and then adjusts focus until the blur goes away. This requires some calculations, obviously. All (or most) non-professional cameras work this way, but "real" cameras have dedicated processors for this stuff, and don't do it in "software" mode - hence, they are much speedier. The same must apply to HD2 - Snapdragon has some camera module AFAIK, and/or is much faster overall than the processor in HD (and it's not just the clock speed, the Cortex A8 architecture is way more efficient).
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If that is the case then i dont understand why they didnt use a CCD, much easier to build and if you need a processor for the auto focus to make it work then it makes little difference since you need a chipset anyway (cmos has most of its circuits onboard)
i put my money on a tiny sensor, but hopefully your right and it is a CPU limitation because its doing it in software, least it can only get better that way!
How's the shutter speed on the camera? My wife loved the iPhone 4G's camera speed but didn't like losing 10 calls a day. We've tried the Captivates but couldn't stand the GPS issues. So.. now we are on the Nexus'. I was looking at the X10 for here because of the 8.1...
Thanks!
depends on ur photo size, its finne to me when the photo size is 2.0
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what is this 2.0 you speak of? i'm assuming that's a lower setting?
so if you turn it up to the highest resolution it's not fine?
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depends on ur photo size, its finne to me when the photo size is 2.0
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Hello hallfleming,
I have a X10 and i can say about the pics is great in any resolution, the shutter is quicker, but will be quicker after september update (Android 2.1), one of the most normal reasons that a shutter can take longer its cause if you have many stuff in your SD Card can take a little, but that i think its normal in all the phones,
Any other question about X10i that i can help please ask,
Alexandre
P.S: About the GPS lock its quick as 30 seconds locking (if you are not at a place without windows close).
I get gps fix in max 10seconds when outside, i'm truly amazed by this phones gps!
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Btw did you know, our gps is alot more accurated than icrap on high speed? Check youtube for a test on shinkansei train in japan.
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Add the app radar on the market for an even quicker gps lock.
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honestly the x10s camera is amazing.....the quality of the photos are comparable to some cheaper/older point and shoots
And using the Camera 360 app makes the camera better. You can use very low compression on images, getting a sharp details.
Idk what settings does eveyone use for general pictures i get crap quality pics that are blurry
You need some light you know ?
Disable image stabilization (will just make your pictures soft).
Always try to take pictures with sun in the back.
Use EV -3 or -7
Depending on what you shoot play with the metering modes.
When you don't have enough light, you can enable the stabilization.
And again, take some time to play with the metering modes
Best camera phone ive had. I use it in tandem with fuji finepix 12m pixel. Quality is excellent, and thats comin from a proffesional moaner turning 40 soon...
@Tux - Where is the EV setting?? I've just been rummaging around the settings in the camera app and I can't find anything with a range which covers that...
Main screen on the right hand side.. the +/-
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johndub71 said:
Best camera phone ive had. I use it in tandem with fuji finepix 12m pixel. Quality is excellent, and thats comin from a proffesional moaner turning 40 soon...
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m8 is it possible to get some low light/night images? Can you take some night landscapes, and indoor images just to see night quality of x10. It is really hard to find those. Thanks in advance!
after almost 4000 pics taken with x10, as a camera phone freak, i would say, the camera is pretty fine outside, but crap inside, my favorite settings are "face detection, metering -average, stabillzation OFF, and EV 0 or -0.7
Currently using CM7 and I'm not really happy with the camera picture quality (with any rom). Not looking for another app to replace the stock one. I'm interested in tweaking the contrast, saturation, sharpness, exposure, and white balance to produce the optimal picture quality.
So my question is what settings are you using to produce top quality images from the camera?
I've pretty much given up on this phone providing a decent photograph. My BlackBerry Pearl took better shots tbh.
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Wow... Really? My blackberry pear suck hella lot. There must be something wrong with your phone.
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I would like an optimal setup for the camera as well.
There is no such thing as optimal exposure and white balance settings. It depends on the conditions. For instance, increasing exposure will help in low light situations, but will make the photo look overexposed in brighter situations. Picking the white balance setting that corresponds to the type of light typically looks better than auto, but the wrong one will look terrible.
Taking good photos is an art, and it takes practice. Its not just a matter of picking a couple of catch-all settings.
Also, many poorly lit photos can be corrected after-the-fact pretty well using easy apps like Vignette or Picsay Pro.
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There is no such thing as optimal exposure and white balance settings. It depends on the conditions. For instance, increasing exposure will help in low light situations, but will make the photo look overexposed in brighter situations. Picking the white balance setting that corresponds to the type of light typically looks better than auto, but the wrong one will look terrible.
Taking good photos is an art, and it takes practice. Its not just a matter of picking a couple of catch-all settings.
Also, many poorly lit photos can be corrected after-the-fact pretty well using easy apps like Vignette or Picsay Pro.
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As a photographer i totally agree!
+2 if you know what your doing this is the best 5mp cam ive used in quite a while.
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Silly me, I want non blurry photos quickly and easily. It's a cell phone, not a high end standalone camera.
Snapping a quick pic of something is what a lot of people use their phone camera for. Having to fiddle with exposure, shutter speed, light balancing, etc every time is a pain.
Anyone know of a camera app that does better than stock for general pics?
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onelikeseabass said:
Silly me, I want non blurry photos quickly and easily. It's a cell phone, not a high end standalone camera.
Snapping a quick pic of something is what a lot of people use their phone camera for. Having to fiddle with exposure, shutter speed, light balancing, etc every time is a pain.
Anyone know of a camera app that does better than stock for general pics?
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Vignettes auto focus and auto white bal etc is pretty good, my choice over stock app, though it takes hella longer to process images as it doesnt compress them as much.
Although the number one cause for blurry pics is a fingerprinted cam lens, always give it a wipe once and a while.
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ptesmoke said:
Vignettes auto focus and auto white bal etc is pretty good, my choice over stock app, though it takes hella longer to process images as it doesnt compress them as much.
Although the number one cause for blurry pics is a fingerprinted cam lens, always give it a wipe once and a while
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Thanks, I'll give Vignette a whirl.
Re: blur, I guess I meant noisy more than blur. I keep the lens clean. The images just don't come out crisp/clean unless I'm outside and it's high noon with not a cloud in sight.
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Camera 360
I tried the stock app on CM 6.1, Vignette, and Camera 360 all shooting the same indoor shot under fluorescent lighting. Camera 360 had the sharpest and best coloring of any of the three. I use it now as my main camera app. I don't know if it's the best, but it's the one I like the most.
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Re: blur, I guess I meant noisy more than blur. I keep the lens clean. The images just don't come out crisp/clean unless I'm outside and it's high noon with not a cloud in sight.
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What that person said, about the #1 cause of blurry pics being fingerprints, is hogwash. The main reason for blurry photos is an aperture that is too small, and ISO that is too low for the lighting conditions, resulting in the shutter having to stay open longer to capture the image. This allows more time for the camera or subject to move while the shutter is open, which causes a blurry photo.
http://www.digital-photo-secrets.com/tip/129/the-top-4-causes-of-blurry-photos-and-how-to-fix-them/
Photos can also appear noisy or over-processed. This is due to the camera trying to increase the ISO (light sensor sensitivity), or manually increasing the ISO, to compensate for low lighting.
Point and shoot cameras try to do the work for you by automatically adjusting the aperture, ISO, and shutter speed. So the recommendation for a different camera app (which all handle these adjustments slightly differently) is probably a good place to start if you aren't comfortable making the adjustments manually (and its often not convenient).
But practice and understanding how cameras work goes a lot farther. You'd be surprised at how much you can improve your photos with simple tricks that don't involve camera settings. Just slightly shifting the point of focus can significantly improve the amount of light entering the lens. Or bracing the camera/phone on a stationary object (like a piece of furniture, or a building column) to create an impromptu tripod, can control the camera jitter just enough to get a less blurry photos in low light.
Found this in the Desire HD section, though some of the options aren't available to us.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=875230&highlight=camera+settings
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Found this in the Desire HD section, though some of the options aren't available to us.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=875230&highlight=camera+settings
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Interesting read, thanks for linking it. Although to clarify your comment, some of the options discussed on the guide aren't available on non-Sense ROMs. But those on Sense have all the options available.
Also interesting to see the Desire and Desire HD cameras compared side-to-side to the iPhone 4. I know the camera on the Desire Z (or even my older Touch Pro 2) is decidedly better than the iPhone 3GS. My wife owns a 3GS, and she is always commenting on how much better the photos taken by my phone are. But I know Apple made some improvements to the camera for the iPhone 4, so I was wondering how things netted out. While the Desire Z was not specifically compared, its newer than the Desire (and same MP), while being the same generation as the HD (but the HD is 8 MP). So I'm just guessing the Desire Z falls somewhere in between the two in photo quality.
Nothing beats the iPhone 4 when it comes to the camera and the photo/videos - I'm jumping ships when the iPhone 4S hits T-Mobile!
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What i dont like about the cam is the noise. at first (scaled to fit the screen) it looks very good. once you transfer it to your pc and view the normal size, noise is all over.
any setting to reduce that? ISO?
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+2 if you know what your doing this is the best 5mp cam ive used in quite a while.
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I've got to say that the camera on this thing is the one thing I was disappointed with when moving from my Nokia N95 8gb. That thing had the best camera I've EVER seen on a phone, and I think it was a combination of a better sensor and a considerably better (and larger) lense. This thing takes decent pictures, and they actually look good when printing in like a 4x6 or smaller, but the quality overall is pretty disappointing. I've given up on getting better pictures out of it and just take what I can.
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Nothing beats the iPhone 4 when it comes to the camera and the photo/videos - I'm jumping ships when the iPhone 4S hits T-Mobile!
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You have any proof to back that statement up? Because the side-by-side comparison in the linked guide above clearly shows the photos on both the old Desire, and the Desire HD are significantly superior to photos taken on the iPhone 4, for indoor conditions.
Hyperbolic statements, with no proof make you sound like Steve Jobs.
Cm7 already has a built in mod to allow you to take pictures in 720p and you can activate deblur fhor our unsteady hands. Its in the settings tab of the camera on cm7 just scroll down a little
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Cm7 already has a built in mod to allow you to take pictures in 720p and you can activate deblur fhor our unsteady hands. Its in the settings tab of the camera on cm7 just scroll down a little
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They still look like crap.
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Hi There,
I am considering getting a Nexus 7 to read books and also to record band rehearsals. What is the quality of recordings like made with this thing? How sensitive is the mic? Can it record loud sources without clipping? A full band rehearsing? A drum kit?
Cheers
http://i.minus.com/jJJXARjnjx2j7.wav
Little bit of guitar here to give you a clue, was my first test. N7 was sat on a whirring laptop. Isnt too bad, little bit sizzly, fixable with eq tho. and your band may be loud for it, but some physical filter or placement should resolve that after a test run. Guitar is suitably complex sound so decent indicator-
This is recorded16bit 48k (tape machine app) wave - as good as we can get quality wise.
Some playback apps expect 44k so may playback weird on a n7 but you haven't got one yet so no worries!
Also was pretty easy to upload this to minus just nowfrom the n7 so that's good too.
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Little bit of guitar here to give you a clue, was my first test. N7 was sat on a whirring laptop. Isnt too bad, little bit sizzly, fixable with eq tho. and your band may be loud for it, but some physical filter or placement should resolve that after a test run. Guitar is suitably complex sound so decent indicator-
This is recorded16bit 48k (tape machine app) wave - as good as we can get quality wise.
Some playback apps expect 44k so may playback weird on a n7 but you haven't got one yet so no worries!
Also was pretty easy to upload this to minus just nowfrom the n7 so that's good too.
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Thanks for the reply. It sounds just on the cusp of clipping when you start strumming. Is there any gain control/mic level control? Is it possible to record a few bars of heavy strumming with the mic input level at its minimum?
No input gain control on the mic as far as I've seen unfortunately. maybe in future or with certain apps. A physical filter could take edge off if necessary. I have a zoom recorder for nice portable situations' but for rehearsals etc n7 is fine. I'd not worry..
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Which one comes out on top?
The s4 seems to produce a better image with more accurate color. It has a lot more shake. Its audio is louder and has a lot more noise from handling.
The One seems to have difficulty with overload from IR, its filter doesn't seem as heavy as the S4. It's more stable as if stabilized in hardware. (both phones used stock settings) The audio is lower and thus handles real life dynamic range more accurately. Both phones were handled the same way. The S4 picks up handling noises and gets pops which are annoying. You must grip it like iron man to stop that!
Here's a quick presentation I put up to show the differences.
http://youtu.be/f2J4TklxTCw
Neither one seems to come out on top but for sound quality the One wins for sure here.
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Where's the use of posts like "in before the closing"?
This thread is valid as it compares the devices in one specific area (though personally, I can't see any use in that).
I see the pink/blue issue in this video recording from the One.
I'm really unhappy with the quality of the camera.
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Interesting, I actually think the S4 came out a little better. Besides the occasional popping sound on the S4 (you probably have the I9505) sound also is louder on the S4.
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Interesting, I actually think the S4 came out a little better. Besides the occasional popping sound on the S4 (you probably have the I9505) sound also is louder on the S4.
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Sound is louder, but not with the same quality IMO.
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The S4 definitely wins
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I don't see the point of threads like this. People's opinions often differ so much so that you'll have one person say the One wins and the next, the S4 ... So what exactly does anybody gain from this? ... Btw, I don't see how you can say it's a side by side comparison when it's actually just two clips, one after the other.
The S4 has better quality, but none of them are any good. Audio quality is a lot worse on the S4 though, as we already know.
From what I've seen and read, HTC One has a camera with worse image quality in terms of best possible image quality, but the camera is more useful since it can be used in any conditions (dark and noisy environments and better wide angle). I love it because no matter what situation I know the camera is usable. Right now mine is on repair due to a cracked glass and I'm using an Xperia P which has a good camera, but unless I turn all the lights on and back away all across the room I know I won't be able to get usable pictures. It's not even near the HTC One. And where any phone I've tried has produced inaudible sound the HTC One has been absolutely clear.
To be honest, that's just what I want from a mobile phone. The whole point with a mobile camera is that I always carry it so it's available in ANY situation. If it can't handle dim light or loud noise or narrow rooms it's completely useless. The quality is good enough for facebook and instagram and stuff so I don't care about that, as long as it's usable whenever I feel the need to use it.
Sound quality: The S4 is rather atrocious. Its AGC is way too heavy, some users may find this better for "getting in" the details but this is not how our hearing works naturally. For music and faithful reproduction it's quite bad. Actually it's awful. For recording a crowd where you want to hear everyone's comments, etc, it would actually be desirable. Again different tools for the job. The HTC easily wins on audio here.
Video it's a tossup. There are color artifacts present in the One's video and color itself is difficult to reproduce. The flames almost appear "electrical" in nature. There is less apparent camera shake with the HTC One. The S4's video looks better with its reproduction of the flames, less blooming and glares. The fire is very hot and has copious amounts infrared radiation. Most sensors will show a pinkish color to longer IR energy and this must be effectively filtered to reduce its affect on sensor output processing and clipping. It's a delicate balance here but the S4 seems to do a better job. Its smaller pixels probably help as well.
As far as SQ goes the processing appears to be globally applied as the similar use of AGC and frequency response is realized in voice recording applications on both devices as well. The recorded volume appears much lower on the HTC because little compression is used. This would be preferred for recording live events where dynamic range needs to be preferred. With voice users may desire to use post processing on a PC to add gain (RMS normalize, etc.).
Personally I prefer the sound of the HTC.
And as far as stills go the HTC is the better *shooter*. I put emphasis on shooting as you can capture good shots of things that happen in real life. There is little shutter lag and pictures turn out decent. The S4 is a very good camera but using both I find it easier to catch the action of life as it happens with the HTC. Too often pictures turn out blurry or out of frame on the S4, it's too slow. When taking pictures of scenery during the day, however, the S4 camera is spectacular!
Remember the best camera is the one you have within your reach!
The best of both worlds would be a higher MP camera in the S4 with the responsiveness of the One. Surely it will happen in the not so distant future. Look how P&S cameras have evolved.
LoL isnt this thread closed yet??
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