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Hi,
I've noticed an audio output distortion of some frequencies when listening to music, in the sound coming out of the 2.5mm jack.
When the speakers on the device is used, there is no problem.
When I plug the headphone, there is sound output, I hear the music, but some frequencies are lowered so much that I can't hear the singers voice. When I unplug, the speakers work fine and I can hear the singer again.
In additon that, most of the background instruments can be heard as well as the backvocals, if they are female.
It's like the sound is being processed (like an equalizer) when I plug the headphone, some frequencies are lowered, given some echo, reverb etc.
I don't understand how this is possible. I am thinking of a hardware contact problem, but it's hard to believe if this is a hw problem.
I've tried two firmwares (2.16.x, 2.25.11.1) and made hard reset also. No result.
Any ideas?
Note: I can try to actually record the sound tonight if anyone wants to hear.
Best regards,
Fast
maybe try a different headset first?....could be a short in the cable, because what you are describing is a phasing issue with the headset speakers......
Thanks for the response Kiru,
Just tried a different headset plugging it into my HAMA 2.5 --> 3.5 adapter. same result.
I will try the original headphone came with the Wizard. If the source of the problem is the HAMA adaptor, this should resolve it. (i hope it is)
Could you please elaborate on the "phasing issue" ?
fastguy said:
Could you please elaborate on the "phasing issue" ?
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Hmm....how can I explain.....Let's start with the speaker itself. A speaker has two terminals on it, one postive and one negative. What we want is to have the positve from the source (ie. Amplifier) to the positive terminal of the speaker, and the same for the negative. Since there is a pair of speakers, we want them to be hooked-up correctly. If hook-up correctly then the speakers are in phase with each other, and this is called constructive interference, hence in phase. When ONLY ONE of the speakers is hooked-up backwards, we call this destructive interference, hence being out of phase. Being out of phase causes frequencies to cancel or sound muffled. Hope you kind of get what I mean, but I highly doubt that this is the problem with headphones because heaphones nowadays rarely get manufactured with this problem. This is just the electrical part of phasing. Also, you can have one speaker, and it could sound out of phase because of the distance it is firing from walls or the shape of the room due to the reflections of sound, this is called acustical phasing.
A short in the cable, meaning the positve and negative wire are somewhat touching, can cause a similar effect, and I suspect that this is problem for you. As you now state that you are using an 2.5 to 3.5 adaptor, I would agree with you that most likey you have a faulty adaptor.
Hope this helps! and keep me posted!
Hi again,
Thanks again for the explanation Kiru, I know a bit of electronics so I got the problem.
However, I'm now home and tried to original headset, no result. The same problem is existing.
This makes me believe that I've broken something inside the Wizard which shortcircuits something. I'm very dissapointed.
Maybe the only way is now to buy a stereo bluetooth headset...
Thanks for your help
Any reason that you can't return to orange for repair/replacement?
PROBLEM SOLVED
I got this unit from priceminister second hand. It's origin is not France, I don't have a purchase receipt neither.
By the way, I solved the problem. I disassambled the unit using the info given in one of the posts in the forum. I played a little with the contacts, there was oxidation in the outer solders, i cleared them up etc, it 's working at the moment.
I'll post some pictures afterwards.
and I hope i will be able to reassamble it, I already have a piece of thing which I don't know where to put
I got the same problem. Was working fine for 2 months then all of a sudden the headphone plug is all messed up. Volume is all distorted I can sometimes hear a song but quality is no where near the original. Usually everything sounds echoed. I think something is wrong with the plug
I've had the same problem. The headphone jack on the Wizard is crap. If you have your Wizard in your pocket with an adapter, as you move, the adapter pries back and forth on the jack. This breaks the cheap jack.
If you want to listen to your Wizard as an music player, you should invest in a nice set of bluetooth headphones and only plug the jack in when the wizard won't be moved around a lot, like a home or car stereo.
I recommend Nextlink Spider headphones. They double as a headset and you can navigate through your library with the button on them.
MUSIC Speed
I got the same problem here. The SE stereo btooth headset isnt yet in our place.
Anyway, i experienced this one with ROM2.16 Imate. The sound speed or music speed seems to being played faster than normal. But when i tried to plug the 2.3-3.5 adopter and quickly pull it out, the sound is played in normal speed then. strange.....
are you all sure that the wizard has a stereo output ? I thought it was mono.
Anyway you can get earpieces and headphones with a 2.5mm jack so you don't need a 2.5-3.5mm adapter.
Maybe the contacts on your jack are not connecting properly with the internal contacts of your adaptor
hi,
I have been using a Nokia phone with a 3.5 mm audio jack to connect it to my aux-in of the car and listen to music as well as make or take calls. The phone mic picks my voice quite well and I hear back the calling party through the car speakers.
Does the same work with HTC Touch HD too?
Update: I have connected the HTC Touch HD to my car's Aux in and it works well with the THD's mic picking up my voice easily. I had echo on a couple of calls but would like to check for its recurrence to believe that's some problem with unit or with the connectivity.
Afraid not mate.
When you plug something in the earphone socket, it assumes there's a mic plugged in too, like when you plug in a hands-free kit.
I've got exactly the same setup and didn't click what the problem was the first time I took a call. I just sat there like a pratt, shouting "HELLO" at my phone! lol
There may be a software workround for this, but not that I'm aware of.
I use the same approach.. but currently even though I am using a Belkin cable to a pretty neat deck.. the sound is completely off.. Treble is too high.. and My faithful kenwoods which would handle the full Volume of my N95-2 with ease are now cracking up.
Any ideas??
I use the same approach.. but currently even though I am using a Belkin cable to a pretty neat deck.. the sound is completely off.. Treble is too high.. and My faithful kenwoods which would handle the full Volume of my N95-2 with ease are now cracking up.
Any ideas??
Ideally, you should have the phone volume at about 75% of its max (between the phone volume itself, and the volume on the music player application), and control overall volume from the deck. If it still sounds dodgy after that, mess about with the equalizer on whatever player you're using, or the htc audio booster.
If anything, mine's a little quiet, but I've not tried messing with output volume settings in Tweak HD. I tend to have to have my deck turned up about 70-80%, whereas I normally have the radio at about 20-30%.
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Afraid not mate.
There may be a software workround for this, but not that I'm aware of.
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Asking this question to all. Is anyone aware of any software to use HTC Touch HD mic while using a 3.5 mm headphones through its audio jack.
not both speakers and mic are off when in headset mode
it's a hardware thing
but like with htc headsets you can connect external speakers and mic to the conntors and it works
easy way is to tear the headset apart and solver in the stuff you want to the connector which came with the headset
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Afraid not mate.
When you plug something in the earphone socket, it assumes there's a mic plugged in too, like when you plug in a hands-free kit.
I've got exactly the same setup and didn't click what the problem was the first time I took a call. I just sat there like a pratt, shouting "HELLO" at my phone! lol
There may be a software workround for this, but not that I'm aware of.
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Mine works fine setup like this. I've got a 3.5m jack coming out and going into the back of my headunit. I can make calls without a problem. The phone seems to realise the connected jack doesn't have a mic so uses the internal one.
The first time I tried it though the person at the other end couldn't hear me but finally worked out this was because the cradle I was using was blocking the mic on the bottom of the phone! I quick readjustment of the cradle and everything was fine.
Sound quality when playing tunes has always been fine but the voice quality aint that great, the person at the other end sometime complains about echo.
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The phone seems to realise the connected jack doesn't have a mic so uses the internal one.
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Hmm.... I'll have to have a play with that then, as it was a total failure for me previously. I definitely didn't have the mic blocked, as my cradle holds the phone by the sides.
Cheers for that - I'll have a play about.
How about something like this?
http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Audio-3.5-mm-Adapter-with-Microphone-for-iPhone/3440143/product.html?cid=133635
(iPhone example but googling "3.5mm microphone output" finds you more, all about £3)
"How about something like this?"
there is not standart for how 3.5mm jacks with mics work as in the width of the ring and such
doubt very very very much that iphone converter would work with anything but an iphone
Thats a good idea. I havent tried this myself but its not experience that the hadware needs an attached mic when plugging the 3.5mm into speakers. I use high quality headphones with no attatched mic to listen to music on the HD and can take calls via the phone or skype by using the headphones and the phone mic.
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Mine works fine setup like this.
Sound quality when playing tunes has always been fine but the voice quality aint that great, the person at the other end sometime complains about echo.
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Same setup as me for the last 12 months. I have to play around with the volume setting on the HU / HD all the time - its not ideal but the internal mic seems to pick up voice fine (and echo!).
I play audio podcasts through car's aux in and just plug in the other end to my Focus's headphone jack. I have noticed that many times the podcast suddenly lowers volume to nearly inaudible levels and happens intermittently.
Once the problem shows up if I
- play songs, the volume level is fine
- stop and start playback of podcast, the problem persists.
- unplug and continue playback on Focus' speaker, the volume level is just fine
- unplug and plug it back in and the problem goes away.
- never have this problem when playing back over headphones (when in gym)
I have this problem only with Podcasts and don't get it at all with songs or videos.
Anyone else noticed this?
Audio output sucks on this phone, that is for sure. Major issues. Sorry to hear about yours.
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Audio output sucks on this phone, that is for sure. Major issues. Sorry to hear about yours.
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how so? i'm not having any problems at all.
Did any of you notice it's not your standard 35mm jack? The headphones that come with the phone are clearly deeper than the standard jack, and have two bands around it instead of the normal one.
I presume you are using standard cable to connect to car's aux jack....
I would check to see if there is a special samsung accessory to make the proprietary jack into a standard aux output?
Samsung are notorious for using this style of jack on their phones. The Galaxy line of android phones use the same jack.
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Did any of you notice it's not your standard 35mm jack? The headphones that come with the phone are clearly deeper than the standard jack, and have two bands around it instead of the normal one.
I presume you are using standard cable to connect to car's aux jack....
I would check to see if there is a special samsung accessory to make the proprietary jack into a standard aux output?
Samsung are notorious for using this style of jack on their phones. The Galaxy line of android phones use the same jack.
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that is weird. i hook mine up to my car with the same jack i used for my iphone with no problems. in fact i am under the assumption the sound quality is actually better than with the iphone.
maybe this is a canada thing?
The plug is set up to use headsets with the microphone, and may not work well with some older stereo audio cables. However, I have used it with a podcast and found it to work quite well. I suggest trying another cable, cuz the Focus works fine.
The line level output of the 3.5mm jack is approx. 40% less than that of the iphone, or my HTC Tilt2. That is the issue I have and that others have commented on.
For instance, iphone plugged in playing on my car stereo, Panteras Cemetary Gates @ 320kbps MP3 is mind boggling loud at 50% volume on the car and 100% volume on the iphone. With the Focus the car stereo volume needs to be at 90% to be equal to the volume of the iphone.
Also, since the Focus needs to be at 100% and the car stereo nearly 100% you hear the phones whining, hissing and popping and every non-music portion.
Super lame.
There's some volume problems that I've noticed on the Focus, in that it's not consistent through playback sessions and such.
The iPhone 4 uses a Cirrus Logic codec with an integrated headphone amplifier, the Focus seems to use the built-in codec with it's headphone amplifier, which might not have the same amount of oomph.
I've measured a 7-8dB lower volume on the Focus when using a line-out cable to an Audio Precision test machine.
Thanks for reporting that! Great post.
Does anyone have this problem?
Ok, I have a mp3 car adaptor that I used with my Tilt and Tilt2 without any problems. Rich sound and bass. I plugged in my Focus (just got it last night) and music only comes out one speaker.
In my '95 M3, I run an Alpine HU (9814 IIRC) with a Line in Adaptor, I run very HD (thick) gold plated lines and a Splitter (all from Monoprice.com, one goes to my portable Sirius, other pops up by my center console sunglass cubby, split happens under the passeger seat) and I usually have my 120Gb Zune attached to it, but I tried with the Phone the other day and it worked great. Played a Tool concert and it sounded as good as the Zune. Like the Zune I set the volume to about 80%, still had plenty of head room for serious volume in the Alpine. (only way to listen to Tool is LOUD!) I do run an old school Pioneer Amp, Pioneer Kevlar Components, 2 JL Audio Stealth Boxes (each is an 8" Sub).
I want to escalate this issue but I need you guys to quickly reply on the MS forums so that it gets taken seriously. Please hit the "I need an answer too" button and give some sort of descriptive reply.
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...7/thread/9c92dad9-5e12-465d-a0fb-b9465179b436
I hope that his is a software side optimization since we are able to make the volume higher with the diagnostic codes.
I added my vote there.
Raptor550 said:
I have a second complaint. When I stick a headphone jack in the mic turns off, it probably is expecting an inline mic with the headphones. My problem is when I then go to pull out my headphones the phone doesn't notice and will continue to not hear. It takes two or three times reinserting and pulling out the headphones to remidy this. Is anyone else haveing this issue.
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Same problem here. But is worst, I connect the Focus to my Car Auxiliary jack to use it as a mega speaker, I mean, when someone calls I can hear them, but they can not hear me. The microphone is dead when I plug it in. Someone knows a fix for this?
jaraya13 said:
Same problem here. But is worst, I connect the Focus to my Car Auxiliary jack to use it as a mega speaker, I mean, when someone calls I can hear them, but they can not hear me. The microphone is dead when I plug it in. Someone knows a fix for this?
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Can't say that I have a fix for it, but it may be the connection your cable is making with the jack in the phone. I do the same thing, have the phone mounted in a jack around the same height as my head unit and people hear me fine when I speak during a call. I am currently using a cable from radioshack designed for recessed headphone jacks. Can't think of the brand off the top of my head however.
rswilson411 said:
Can't say that I have a fix for it, but it may be the connection your cable is making with the jack in the phone. I do the same thing, have the phone mounted in a jack around the same height as my head unit and people hear me fine when I speak during a call. I am currently using a cable from radioshack designed for recessed headphone jacks. Can't think of the brand off the top of my head however.
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Hi pal, thanks for the reply, but I couldn't understand very well your explanation. What is a recessed headphone jack? What is the head unit?
Thanks in advance!
I have not noticed this problem however the microphone shutting off is very annoying and funny since at&t says texting while driving is unsafe yet i have to unplug my phone while driving to turn on speaker and talk. they need to fix that ASAP
I was wondering if anyone else has experienced this - I will play some music using Power amp or double twist and randomly the headphone audio will stop and will start playing through the speakers. It seems to be related to notifications I believe which try to play through the speakers which then steals the audio away from the headphones and back to the speakers.
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I was wondering if anyone else has experienced this - I will play some music using Power amp or double twist and randomly the headphone audio will stop and will start playing through the speakers. It seems to be related to notifications I believe which try to play through the speakers which then steals the audio away from the headphones and back to the speakers.
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Haven't had the problem, but you need to isolate the problem to software/hardware first if no one else has reported this type of error. A loose plug, loose wire, cheap or faulty headphones as well as sweat in earbuds could all false signal the plug into thinking the headphones are not plugged in. Try switching them out to a new pair and check for loose plug after you insert them. Then, I since you said it is random, but try and find a situation where it can be repeated to see if it is on the hardware side.
A couple suggestions. Faulty headphones can cause all type of hardware and software bugs with the 'smart' devices that detect when they are plugged in (voltage sensing not just a mechanical switch like the good old days...). Hope you can use something..
Ed
Hi, I just noticed that voice search, or any app using the microphone is working when I have headphones or auxiliary cable plugged in. I know that the internal microphone is not supposed to work if you have an headset with a mic plugged in, but I don't understand why it doesn't work with a simple aux cable to my car stereo. The only time that I would like to use voice search or voice typing is usually in the car, but when I'm there the phone is usually plugged in for music... Any solutions? I tried different cables. Is this a kernel/rom problem? I'm running latest PAC with Franco kernel. Thank you very much
it's been a long known problem that the microphone sensitivity doesn't adjust accordingly when an aux plugged in.. stupid I know.. I was one of the first people to bring this up, it's never been amended[surprisingly]. I resorted to bluetooth in my car instead.
The only way the mic will hear you with aux plugged in, it with your mouth right next to the phone, unless you have an inline mix on the headphones. And if it's plugged into the car unless you have the phone duck tapped to your face, same problem.. I assume this is the same problem you're experiencing.
Samsung Galaxy Nexus didn't have this problem, microphone sensitivity was high when aux plugged in, if no in-line mic detected.