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Task/app manger

Looking for some advice please.
I am currenty using ES Task Manager to control apps and tasks, and kill whatever necessary. But wanted to know if anyone has used anything better, and had experience of using my current one.
Any advise or suggestions would be great.
Cheers
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sammyb0210 said:
Looking for some advice please.
I am currenty using ES Task Manager to control apps and tasks, and kill whatever necessary. But wanted to know if anyone has used anything better, and had experience of using my current one.
Any advise or suggestions would be great.
Cheers
Sent from my X10i using XDA App
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Yes, there is a better task manager.
Just go to Settings>Applications>Manage applications
find ES Task Manager, click on it and then select Uninstall.
Then you will be running the latest version of No F**** Task Manager
which should do miracles on your phone, along with your OCD on killing applications, only to see them pop up again seconds later,
because that's just how the Android works.
No offence! Nothing personal here,
I am just tired of arguing with people over the same matter.
Before opening a new thread, make a search!
As far as task managers are concerned, look here.
It's a long article but totally worth reading.
I've been where you are when I bought my first Android device,
it's only natural.
But, right now I am not using any task management/killing application on my X10 and I am more than happy with its performance.
Let alone, more relaxed that I don't just have-to-kill applications in a robotic and manic way!
Cheers!

Very helpful read, thank you very much for the link.
I will take the advice and let the phone do all the hardwork.
After all it is a 'Smart Phone'
Thanks anyway!!
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I agree with My_Inmortal (love that song!). I been using es task manager and others app killers, and since I unintall them my phone seems to work nicer. And I do not worry now abuot apps running in the backgound or my free ram. I just let the phone do it for me and it's great. I was going mad pushing the widget 20 times per day and watching which apps were running... Now I don't care and everything is Ok. Even my health, LOL

+ 1 on both if those comments.. I've not been using task managers or startup managers for a couple of months now.. And both me and the phone are better without them!
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Well, that's only half the truth.
Android's auto killing feature performs very well.
But only as long as the Apps are coded correctly.
But there are several Apps, that have no "exit" button to end them manually. So they are working on in the background.
I for example make use of the autokilling features of an App called "Task Manager" and modified the App autostart behavior with "Autostarts".
Voila, the battery gained about 40% Standby.
Autokilling is also nice for the Apps _with_ Exit button, on which I forgot to exit them...
So there is no "Use an Autokiller" or "Don't use an Autokiller".
It depends on the individual used Apps and how Android is treated.

McKebapp said:
Well, that's only half the truth.
Android's auto killing feature performs very well.
But only as long as the Apps are coded correctly.
But there are several Apps, that have no "exit" button to end them manually. So they are working on in the background.
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You are better off without that kind of apps anyway.
And if you didn't exit an app, after some period of inactivity, the system will shut it down.
Look here, I am using all these apps: http://www.appbrain.com/user/iridaki/apps-on-the-x10i
and not a single one of them is causing my phone any problems at all.
Free RAM is wasted RAM on Android, there is absolutely no point in obsessing about it.
Of course, having a task manager won't harm your phone, but auto or continuously manually killing will.
Period.

I was no talking about battery gain. Maybe you're right at this point. But for me, my phone works better since i don't have it. And i just killed apps i did not use, like moxier, photoshop, etc. Don't know why, but now works nicer.

Zenghelis said:
I was no talking about battery gain. Maybe you're right at this point. But for me, my phone works better since i don't have it. And i just killed apps i did not use, like moxier, photoshop, etc. Don't know why, but now works nicer.
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Don't mean to be a [email protected] in the @ss, but if you cannot define "nicer",
then it proves nothing!
It could be a placebo effect from the very well know Moxier-obsession!
Anyway, there are facts and then there is user experience.
Eveybody feels different and is entitled to use his phone any way he feels like.
But the facts are still facts.

My_Immortal said:
Don't mean to be a [email protected] in the @ss, but if you cannot define "nicer",
then it proves nothing!
It could be a placebo effect from the very well know Moxier-obsession!
Anyway, there are facts and then there is user experience.
Eveybody feels different and is entitled to use his phone any way he feels like.
But the facts are still facts.
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Well i meant my phone does not lag or get stuck anymore since i don't use task killers. Maybe i was doing something wrong, but i don't think it's only my impression.
PS: sorry if I cannot explain it clearer, my enghlish it not good enough

Zenghelis said:
Well i meant my phone does not lag or get stuck anymore since i don't use task killers. Maybe i was doing something wrong, but i don't think it's only my impression.
PS: sorry if I cannot explain it clearer, my enghlish it not good enough
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Your english are perfect!

[Q] Want to remove VZ bloat and speed up my phone

Now that I am rooted........
What VZ crap can I safely remove and what can I do to speed up my phone.
I already installed titanium backup and removed a few things like tetris and need for speed.

Im new to this as well and someone may have lots of better ideas, that id love to read as well. However my personal pet peive is when i tell the phone to go somewhere or do a certain task and it "glitches" persay to catch up on internal memory to run what you asked...however i found,
Memory Autokiller (found in market)
It requires root and allows you to select presets to give your phone parsed memory, from Strict to LoSt!!!!! I usually run agressive and will always input your setting up boot-up and i promise i have NEVER had to wait on ANYTHING i told my phone to do it moves quickly and quielty.....INSTANTLY.....to what i told it to!

why clean up vzw blaot when you can flash a clean rom that has no bloat from the get go. flash something like superclean1.0. it is 2.2 and debliated and deodexed. did i mention its 2.2. also app killers amd memory killers a waste of time, processor, and battery. its not windows, the android os is designed to run with things frozen in the back ground. the sales people always put that crap on peoples phones and they need to quit.

Everyone has opinions...i wouldnt remove my memory autokiller for anyone for any reason .. I have personally seen the difference using this app and it makes me quite content!!
However I do agree with the Superclean...saves alot of time!!!
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what are your setting at on mem killer?

gunnermike said:
why clean up vzw blaot when you can flash a clean rom that has no bloat from the get go. flash something like superclean1.0. it is 2.2 and debliated and deodexed. did i mention its 2.2. also app killers amd memory killers a waste of time, processor, and battery. its not windows, the android os is designed to run with things frozen in the back ground. the sales people always put that crap on peoples phones and they need to quit.
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first of all does it sound like the op is ready for flashing roms and all that? And if task killers are a waste than why even bother removing bloat if the system is designed to handle a million apps running at once?

It has been proven that task killers do more harm than good

Kevin Gossett said:
It has been proven that task killers do more harm than good
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auto killer isnt just a task killer...if you know what your doing you can mess around with memory settings and improve battery life/performance
but the average person generally uses it wrong and just picks a preset of extreme or something which hurts battery life

I am a "General Person" I put it on aggressive. Do you have any suggested settings?

I have a couple differnt cystoms..i use typically 65 75 90 for just use gaming I open up a lite more
Edit- change that normal use is 30 40 55 when gaming I open up to above mentioned
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Kevin Gossett said:
It has been proven that task killers do more harm than good
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I haven't seen anything proven, I've seen plenty of evidence as to why you don't need to kill tasks, but what exactly does it harm. And please don't reply with a link to an article I've already read... like I said there is nothing explaining exactly what the HARM is. (slowing down your phone is not harming it btw)

Harm in this case= slowing down phone, and hurting battery life.
I wouldn't call it helping.
Don't confuse harm with damage.

Agreed. No physical harm, but will slow down processes and run down battery life...
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WHEN i open her up, agreed drain battery life, but when you open her up what do you expect????? as far as slow down processes....guess im jsut lucky enough to use it right, cause it doesnt do ANYTHING but enhance EVERY SINGLE thing i do and make it lightning fast!

Kevin Gossett said:
Agreed. No physical harm, but will slow down processes and run down battery life...
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Ok... I personally notice the opposite when I use a task killer, but I can understand the theory of why you shouldn't use them. It just always seems like people come across like "that's BAD for your phone!" Ya know what I mean?
On the same note, why is it so important to get rid of the VZW bloat? Serious question... i had rooted a while ago and froze all of it, been unrooted for a while now and can't really notice any difference performance wise. Is it just so you don't have to look at it?

ziggy484 said:
Ok... I personally notice the opposite when I use a task killer, but I can understand the theory of why you shouldn't use them. It just always seems like people come across like "that's BAD for your phone!" Ya know what I mean?
On the same note, why is it so important to get rid of the VZW bloat? Serious question... i had rooted a while ago and froze all of it, been unrooted for a while now and can't really notice any difference performance wise. Is it just so you don't have to look at it?
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Gizmodo explains the reason. (about task killer)
http://lifehacker.com/#!5650894/and...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them

here's the page with the list of apps you can safely remove:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=798064

Kaze105 said:
Gizmodo explains the reason. (about task killer)
http://lifehacker.com/#!5650894/and...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
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As I said, I've read all these articles, and btw theres nothing in the link about task killers, thanks anyway... how about some insight on the bloatware.
Sent from my stock 2.1
unrooted, fully bloated (for now) Fascinate

Kaze105 said:
Gizmodo explains the reason. (about task killer)
http://lifehacker.com/#!5650894/and...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
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That shows nothing of which im running? So in reference to think you are using, yes i 100% agree dont use Task Killers, they are a waste!!! Too bad im not using a "task Killer" so Download the Memory Parse tool, known as AutoKiller Memory

Lol. Okay, try this.
On boot, your phones OS pre loads into memory what it thinks you'll need. Read memory. Not running, not using cpu, and not slowing you down. This actually speeds things up for you.
Kind of like writing what you will need to see on a whiteboard.
When you run a traditional task killer, it erases all of that. This doesn't make you faster, or improve battery in any way. This isn't Windows.
Odds are, much of what was erased is going to be re written, which at that point should not have been necessary. In addition, it will slow you down when you finally do need the stuff that was erased.
If that doesn't make any sense, google it. I've never seen a dev argue for a task killer outside of being able to quickly kill bad apps.
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Should I use Autokiller Memory Optimiser?

Hello Everyone,
I'm well aware of the damage that a task manager can do to an Android phone, as well as the changes in the Android SDK for Android 2.2 and later which makes most of the task managers on the Android Market obsolete, but one thing caught my attention, this app called Autokiller Memory Optimiser.
According to some posts I've read on some of the forums, Autokiller justs tweaks Android's minfree values so that Android can kill tasks more efficiently or something like that.
Is this true or should I steer clear of this app?
And did I post this in the right sub-forum?
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App

I used a few different auto memory apps and have always found that my phone seems slower with them, uses more battery and I have less memory. So I just let android take care of me
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The only 'task killer type' application that I have used is Watchdog Lite.
I use it to monitor rogue applications that use excess system resources while running in the background.
It does use some system resources to do the monitoring but its nice to know when a background app is going out of control and hogging resources.

Android manages memory on its own, task killers are a waste of time. Unless you have a specific problem you need to troubleshoot with a poorly written app hogging app for no good reason (as mentioned above), I would not bother with them. Task killers waste resources, and can cause more issues then they solve.
http://lifehacker.com/5650894/android-task-killers-explained-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
Someone posted recently that a task killer was making his G2 power off randomly. He uninstalled the task killer, and the problem vanished.

The app that the op is posting about isn't a task killer. It modifies the system values/thresholds for when to kill stuff and flush memory and all that happy crap I don't really understand. I am guessing it would depend on the rom and how the dev have the values set to begin with. Just a guess tho.
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if you have an automatic task killer in gingerbread you're an idiot.

xsteven77x said:
The app that the op is posting about isn't a task killer. It modifies the system values/thresholds for when to kill stuff and flush memory and all that happy crap I don't really understand. I am guessing it would depend on the rom and how the dev have the values set to begin with. Just a guess tho.
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In addition to tweaking the system values, it includes a process/service manager, same as any other task killer.
Besides, any app that claims to improve battery life and performance by freeing up memory is immediately suspect. Having memory free affects neither in Android.

redpoint73 said:
In addition to tweaking the system values, it includes a process/service manager, same as any other task killer.
Besides, any app that claims to improve battery life and performance by freeing up memory is immediately suspect. Having memory free affects neither in Android.
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Its not an auto task killer and its a supplemental part of the app. I used to use that app and never even looked touched or saw the taskiller part. Just saying. Its not its main use or strength and not really advertised as such!
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xsteven77x said:
Its not an auto task killer and its a supplemental part of the app. I used to use that app and never even looked touched or saw the taskiller part. Just saying. Its not its main use or strength and not really advertised as such!
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They don't seem to know much about the very much , it is actually quite helpful on tweaking the android's "built-in" killer. It is not a task killer, the author of the app is a member of XDA and you should check out his work. A task killer is nice too, since many apps like Camera, gallery, maps, browser, etc are not kicked out until memory is "extremely" low. The G2 has what, 300-340MB free on a clean boot? After you open a couple of apps that will go to low 200's or high 100's. You may notice a difference in performance or maybe more battery drain from those apps staying open. I've used android since the G1 and can tell you that you dont want certain intensive apps to stay alive. But, this is just my opinion, not trying to attack anyone at all.
P.S. Here's a link to the app dev
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5861010

Ace42 said:
They don't seem to know much about the very much , it is actually quite helpful on tweaking the android's "built-in" killer. It is not a task killer, the author of the app is a member of XDA and you should check out his work. A task killer is nice too, since many apps like Camera, gallery, maps, browser, etc are not kicked out until memory is "extremely" low. The G2 has what, 300-340MB free on a clean boot? After you open a couple of apps that will go to low 200's or high 100's. You may notice a difference in performance or maybe more battery drain from those apps staying open. I've used android since the G1 and can tell you that you dont want certain intensive apps to stay alive. But, this is just my opinion, not trying to attack anyone at all.
P.S. Here's a link to the app dev
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5861010
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I don't see it as an attack, your opinion is welcome. Although from what I have read (link I supplied above), Android does not benefit from having memory free, as having free memory does not improve performance and battery life.

homescreen is sluggish

every so often when I return back to my homescreens and slide through them they get very laggy and sluggish anyway to fix it?

Do you have live wallpaper running that might not be optimized for Honeycomb, or are there lots of 3rd party widgets on your home screens.
If the above is the case, I’d suggest return your home screens to stock and apply a single widget at a time to see if any of them is causing the problem.
It also could be an app running at background causing the problem.
Sorry, i don't think there is easy fix for your problem.

are you on the latest honeycomb 3.1 build? that update was supposed to improve that problem. if not, i suggest root, flashing a tiamat kernel with OC'd GPU

turn off live wallpaper
get a task killer and kill unused programs every once in a while
reduce the number of widgets on your homescreens
Hope that helps!

I'd not recommend use any task killers. I don't believe there are any task killer designed for Honeycomb, or using 3rd party task killer will benefit Honeycomb.
if you want to kill an app or process, just goto running apps in settings.

Bigmille said:
I'd not recommend use any task killers. I don't believe there are any task killer designed for Honeycomb, or using 3rd party task killer will benefit Honeycomb.
if you want to kill an app or process, just goto running apps in settings.
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Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about. Advanced Task Killer Free works just fine with honeycomb. I run it several times a day and it speeds the system up every time.

slack04 said:
Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about. Advanced Task Killer Free works just fine with honeycomb. I run it several times a day and it speeds the system up every time.
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I can say with absolute authority that the people who designed android, and wrote the best practices documents for development have stated repeatedly that task killers do more harm than good.
If you have apps sucking so much memory or cpu in the background that they're impacting performance, uninstall those apps: they were developed by android noobs.
Don't rely on bad software as a crutch to run more bad software.

slack04 said:
Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about. Advanced Task Killer Free works just fine with honeycomb. I run it several times a day and it speeds the system up every time.
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Yeah mate, it's a pretty well known fact that task killers are a complete waste of time these days. They served a purpose in previous android versions (1.*) but now they really do more harm than good.
You say it speeds the system up? I'd suggest that's maybe only a placebo effect.

Bigmille said:
I'd not recommend use any task killers. I don't believe there are any task killer designed for Honeycomb, or using 3rd party task killer will benefit Honeycomb.
if you want to kill an app or process, just goto running apps in settings.
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Just taking the opportunity to also jump on you and say ''No! Bad post!"".
Inform yourself before spreading falsehoods please.

I've been using ADWex and I like it alot more, since it's been updated for honeycomb (looks really nice, never slows down, ever).

Hi all
Funny how even this long after the latest Android versions have been released there are still two camps in those that feel a Task Killer is absolutely necessary and those that don't.
Well i fall in the not necessary camp and have been using Android now for a little over a year and have never used one. The only real difference i see in my use is that i don't download and install every app and widget i can but just those i really need and use and like the previous poster i use ADW EX as my launcher and i just don't see any lag, freeze or stutters in anything i do. I tend to agree that those that have those issues as well as poor battery life have a badly written app that is most probably the cause. It amazes just how some obsess on how much free Ram they have at any given point without realising free Ram means nothing only when you don't have any free to run something is it even an issue and at that point the OS will close something to free it up.
But as always each of us is welcome to make thier own choices on thier own device but nothing would convince me i need a Task killer as i just don't.
Marc

Well, I may not be the most knowledgeable android user, but I get slowdowns all the time which are fixed by the task killer. Not sure of the "harm" that the other posters are suggesting. This is just my experience, take it with a grain of salt.

yea and your slowdowns would probably go away if u uninstall a badly coded app you have and stop letting it kill tasks on its own

[Q] Is the "Kill All" from Recent App like a task killer ?

Hey,
As mentioned in the title I was wondering if using Kill All button (equivalent of swiping everything in Recent App) was as bad for the OS as task killers. Because this swiping ability is built-in ..
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teribilis said:
Hey,
As mentioned in the title I was wondering if using Kill All button (equivalent of swiping everything in Recent App) was as bad for the OS as task killers. Because this swiping ability is built-in ..
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No its not bad, it closes all the apps in recent apps thus taking them out of memory.

heat361 said:
No its not bad, it closes all the apps in recent apps thus taking them out of memory.
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It's what task killers do and it interferes with Android memory management .. That's why I hope it's not similar

teribilis said:
It's what task killers do and it interferes with Android memory management .. That's why I hope it's not similar
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youve been brainwashed. ive been killing my apps since october 2008(g1, mytouch, og droid, nexus one, nexus s, galaxy nexus, nexus 7, and nexus 4). it only makes my devices happier, task killers and "non task killers". yea, android manages itself, but it doesnt do a good enough job for my liking.

simms22 said:
youve been brainwashed. ive been killing my apps since october 2008(g1, mytouch, og droid, nexus one, nexus s, galaxy nexus, nexus 7, and nexus 4). it only makes my devices happier, task killers and "non task killers". yea, android manages itself, but it doesnt do a good enough job for my liking.
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Agreed with this. I've constantly read about how task killers don't help and they're useless etc., but on my HD2 the fact of the matter was that killing tasks would make my phone significantly faster and reduce battery drain by around 5mA (equivalent to a standby drain of 1%/50 mins going down to 1%/1.5 hrs). I haven't found any need to use any automated task killer with hardware this good but I don't see any reason it would harm the device at all either. I guess killing something which needs to be open (and thus will reopen itself soon enough anyway) could cause unwanted battery drain, but other than that there's no problem with task killers.

there are other ways to manage memory. i like to use the autostarts app on my devices, you can prevent apps from starting up in the first place. also, i like using the auto memory manager app to change androids memory management numbers.

I believe its different.. It just takes out the apps from your recents section. Even if I have a kill button on my custom rom, the app will still appear in the recents menu.

Rizy7 said:
I believe its different.. It just takes out the apps from your recents section. Even if I have a kill button on my custom rom, the app will still appear in the recents menu.
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its the same to a point. some roms come with a longpress back button to kill option too.
the whole task managers are bad thing started when cyanogen made a statement about them. people were killing their launchers and widgets(widgets would stop updating), and creating false issues for themselves then blaming cayanogenmod for for their troubles. cyanogen didnt want to deal with these people so he made a statement that task killers are bad. since then, its been blown up more than the "issues" that they create.

simms22 said:
there are other ways to manage memory. i like to use the autostarts app on my devices, you can prevent apps from starting up in the first place. also, i like using the auto memory manager app to change androids memory management numbers.
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Greenify also works well for hibernating apps that like to "start up" :highfive:

What about the background processes option in developer options?
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killall swipes apps out. its the same as swiping them out by hand, it does not harm your android.

Thanks, glad to hear that.

good questions should get thanks too
So many newbs don't ask a perfectly good question anymore because so many times they get dawged and told maybe they shouldn't have that technology or search the threads newb even though he just spent 30 minutes doing that. So apologies for prior and future newbs who don't have enough time in the day to keep up on what's been posted and where and sorry for whatever else some, definitely not the majority, contributors get upset about. It's so crazy the way people treat people online, think about would you be saying this to a person you don't know in a physical socal setting. I hope not to the angry contributors of wrath. Good night and day to my opposite world companions.

Such a random bump.
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