I've mostly assumed that because the iPad2, Asus TF, and Xoom all use IPS panels, they would have the same visual quality. I also assumed that they all have about the same sensitivity to touch.
After reading some responses in other threads regarding using a stylus for hand writing notes, some people indicated that it's WAY easier to write on the iPad2. Not sure if this is due to hardware (better sensitivity) or software (better apps).
Can anyone shed some light on the issue? Not sure how Apple and Asus (and others) implement the capacitive touch sensors. Does the touch sensing have anything to do with the IPS screen?
Any iPad users comment on this? So, trying to be as objective as possible, without feeling loyal to either Asus or Apple
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if we re-frame the original post question in terms of how much room there is for improvement on the Asus with software updates?
Can our Transformer be a bit MORE adequate for pen style note taking someday? Is there a hardware limitation, or software? Can it reach, say, iPad2 levels of pen style note taking performance?
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Are you talking about speculation? Because we're treading into flaming waters here.
If someone says the iPad 2 is better in terms of touch recognition the fanboys will come out of the woodwork and ask for expert witness testimonial or scientific data. For the reverse scenario, it's generally acceptable without either.
The same people who claimed that it was factually inaccurate to claim these units have ****ty build quality without proof on paper will also claim that it is impossible to talk about this subject because there is no proof about anything.
So if you're asking this question seriously it's under the expectation that we're all assuming. Even then it's not possible to positively argue for either side because we have no idea how they handle the implementation. It could be both software and hardware. iOS could make up for hardware shortfalls by modifications to software, do we know if this is certain? No. These are trade secrets. The TF does have ten finger/touchpoint input recognition if I'm correct. I don't really care about pen input if it can't do ten finger input.
i bought a cheap (OK very cheap) stylus from ebay and didnt find it very useable but i think that was the rubber stylus 'dragging' on the glass rather than anything else.....
I haven't really played with an ipad 2 much (being generally anti-apple ) so i can't really compare.
That said, i don't think the stock asus keyboard is all that great. I've installed Hackers keyboard and that works like a charm. If only swype was available for tablets ...
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I haven't really played with an ipad 2 much (being generally anti-apple ) so i can't really compare.
That said, i don't think the stock asus keyboard is all that great. I've installed Hackers keyboard and that works like a charm. If only swype was available for tablets ...
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Swype Beta 3.5 is available and it has a resizable/movable keyboard for Honeycomb tablets. Give it a shot.
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I've mostly assumed that because the iPad2, Asus TF, and Xoom all use IPS panels, they would have the same visual quality. I also assumed that they all have about the same sensitivity to touch.
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Xoom is not a IPS panel its a TFT panel, so the picture quality not equal to both the TF and ipad.
I own a transformer and iphone4, and I've played with my sister's ipad2 quite a bit. I like the transformer but in no way are the touch sensitivities alike. The ipad2 is better. It does not lag at all and I get way more miss hits on the transformer using light touches.
It could be the lack of flash, but I'm hoping it's just a software issue for the transformer. As I was typin this on my transformer the thumb keyboard kept hiding itself and then the browser crashed about a minute later (dolphin hd browser). I'm typing this on my iPhone which is way quicker for me without crashes.
Take t however you like, but to me, the iPad wins in touch usability. I'm still not selling this thing though. For the extra things it can do, it's great!
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I am confused here.....are you saying that you believe that all IPS Panels have Touch? Because they do not.
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I am confused here.....are you saying that you believe that all IPS Panels have Touch? Because they do not.
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Yes I think there is a lot of confusion indeed. The display technology and the capacitive touch interface have nothing to do with each other, other than the fact they live in the same piece of hardware.
In theory it is possible the iPad has better touch receptors than the TF-101, but having used both I can say that in my opinion it does not. If you are experiencing problems using a stylus, I would investigate the stylus, not the tablet.
ok, scratch the parts about IPS screens, I understand now that the sensing technology is different from the display technology - OP.
But, to my point, it does seem like there's consensus on Apple's touch performance being better than the Asus TF.
I wonder if this is a hardware issue (not solvable) or a software issue (hope for future improvement)?
The touch screen is beyond most capacitive devices, imo. There was a thread a while back with the standard touch screen test done, and the TF showed some bending around the edges but was otherwise a-okay. The touch screen works amazing for typing on a keyboard or doing general apps. As far as handwriting or painting goes, it performs, but it's not the best.
It's by no means unacceptable.
If I were worried about precise handwriting or drawing, I'd get a Windows Tablet PC with an active digitizer. Or, an HTC Flyer, which has one as well. No capacitive touch screen will ever provide much precision--they're simply not made to do so.
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If I were worried about precise handwriting or drawing, I'd get a Windows Tablet PC with an active digitizer. Or, an HTC Flyer, which has one as well. No capacitive touch screen will ever provide much precision--they're simply not made to do so.
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Yup, I can appreciate that thought. But, if we re-frame the original post question in terms of how much room there is for improvement on the Asus with software updates?
Can our Transformer be a bit MORE adequate for pen style note taking someday? Is there a hardware limitation, or software? Can it reach, say, iPad2 levels of pen style note taking performance?
...I know people will say that if you want iPad2 performance, buy an iPad2...but that's not the point. I started this thread with the intention of learning more about the product, not to bash it or to say how much better iPad2 is.
It will indeed be interesting to see if future software updates improve the accuracy/sensitivity of the TF.
I own both an iPad and a TF. I don't really notice a difference in screen usability - mostly just that iOS is incredibly smooth but boring as hell and the TF is a little less smooth but much more interactive - in that sense it gets easy to confuse the actual sensor quality with OS/application level responsiveness.
My little brother (iphone fanboy) swears that there is a huge difference between the two.
Yeah, sometimes it's difficult to compare the two head to head. You have to disable widgets and maybe the active wall paper on the Asus.
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Yup, I can appreciate that thought. But, if we re-frame the original post question in terms of how much room there is for improvement on the Asus with software updates?
Can our Transformer be a bit MORE adequate for pen style note taking someday? Is there a hardware limitation, or software? Can it reach, say, iPad2 levels of pen style note taking performance?
...I know people will say that if you want iPad2 performance, buy an iPad2...but that's not the point. I started this thread with the intention of learning more about the product, not to bash it or to say how much better iPad2 is.
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I would believe so. I dont know as much about the sensitivity but the response. I remember there was a lag and some gestures getting broken by bad sensitivity on my Evo when it first came out but a kernel update really changed it. It opened up more contact points (originally HTC had it capped at two) and the response was much better.
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I own a transformer and iphone4, and I've played with my sister's ipad2 quite a bit. I like the transformer but in no way are the touch sensitivities alike. The ipad2 is better. It does not lag at all and I get way more miss hits on the transformer using light touches.
It could be the lack of flash, but I'm hoping it's just a software issue for the transformer. As I was typin this on my transformer the thumb keyboard kept hiding itself and then the browser crashed about a minute later (dolphin hd browser). I'm typing this on my iPhone which is way quicker for me without crashes.
Take t however you like, but to me, the iPad wins in touch usability. I'm still not selling this thing though. For the extra things it can do, it's great!
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My wife has a Ipad it does seem more touch responsive at times. it of course uses a different OS. Apples and Oranges.
I was at BB the other day checking out the new Sammy 10.1 it seemed so responsive and fast but when I got back home to my TF it was about the same. Perspective.
I get the similar crashes in Dolphin HD (which isn't really tablet specific yet), I also get even more crashes among other things in Maxthon pad ..which is supposed to be for a pad, I also get them in the stock browser according to what I'm doing, flash etc. Some sites where I am typing in a message or a response the keyboard closes at weird times and isn't as responsive ...I have similar problems on those sites with my laptop. It doesn't close cause I'm typing on my keyboard but it doesn't act right.
Dolphin is getting better with each release...but all is relatively new and the bugs are not out. I'm keeping my TF and I'll just have to deal with it.
Maybe the IPad si more responsive because the software is more simple and does not stress the hardware, like Honeycomb does?
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Maybe the IPad si more responsive because the software is more simple and does not stress the hardware, like Honeycomb does?
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In large part, this is true. A lot of issues with lag are mistaken for responsiveness on the touch screen's part. Android has a lot more running at any given time than iOS, so it won't be as smooth. It's a trade-off.
Not that I am contributing anything to the discussion, but people who find the asus keyboard crappy and are not comfortable with swyping on a tablet(don't get me wrong, I m currently swyping on my captivate, love it !), I would definitely recommend to you thumb keyboard. I live on it. My transformer lives on it. Its as integrated part of my tablet as swype is for my captivate. They just are perfect together. Holding it with 2 hands, so that I don't find it heavy while I read books for long periods, our read comics or browse the net, typing feels so natural on it. Plus they added key resizing for different finger sizes! Imo, that should be the honeycomb default keyboard. Try it.
Ps-m not related or affiliated in any ways to the dev. I just love his work.
Pps- screw ipad. just kidding. Maybe.
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Ok guys, here it is. My first-impressions with the 32GB Asus Transformer after about 24 hours of use. I would like to mention that the opinions below are formulated by someone who owns and uses the first generation iPad (I hate most things Apple) since it was released as well as a Nook Color for about two months.
PROS:
1. Browser (especially bookmark sync with Chrome): After using this for about 5 minutes I knew I was never going to be able to do without this feature. As someone who has their bookmarks extremely well organized in folders and such, syncing is a must. I didn't even bother migrating my bookmarks to my iPad as I knew it would take days to do, so I just learned to do without. However, this feature alone, makes this tablet more like a laptop/desktop replacement than the iPad could ever be. The speed is also very nice. However, I must say that the scrolling and pinching doesn't compare to that of the iPad.
2. Ability to change keyboard (SwiftKey): I must say that the Asus keyboard is pretty horrible. I don't know if it's the slight delay depending on the software that's running, the spacing, aesthetics of the keys, or simply the fact that you have to go to a submenu to access keys such as the "?" or "!" (c'mon, those are pretty commonly used keys). But after using SwiftKey BETA, I must say that the difference has been night and day. I hate having to rest these tablets somewhere or rely on using one hand to access all the keys when in horizontal mode. Fortunately, with SwiftKey, I don't have to worry about that and can keep my hands where they should be, on the bezel. Now if only the TF could automatically change keyboards when docked. SwiftKey can get kind of annoying when using the keyboard to type with its corrections. I think Tasker can handle this though, I'll let you know.
3. Dock: Wow! I was really skeptical as to how practical and efficient the dock would be. To my surprise, I was really impressed with how much it makes the Tranformer feel like a netbook (albeit a bit heavier than most netbooks). Not just a netbook, but an Apple netbook at that. I'm an avid Microsoft/Google fan, but one really must recognize and admire how fluid navigating on an Apple laptop is. The swiping of the finger on the trackpad to scroll up/down, left/right, makes it feel really Apple-esque. Props to Asus! By the way, haven't had any disconnecting dock issues so far. Keeping my fingers crossed!
4. Screen resolution: This thing sure is crisp. Aside from the negative issues I have with the screen (light bleeds; see below), I must admit that in the color/sharpness department, this thing is as crisp as my iPad and Nook Color are. I still would probably give the edge to the Nook Color, but I think it's a small screen/pixel density situation then.
CONS:
QUALITY CONTROL ISSUES:
1. Light Bleed: I posted my issues with it here. As I mentioned on that thread, it isn't too noticeable (only on full brightness or in a really dark setting). But the fact of the matter is that the screen is what you're staring at 100% of the time with such a device; and just knowing that you do have light bleeds keeps you subconsciously hunting for them. Really is a shame that this is an issue. I'm leaning towards getting it exchanged as soon as I feel that newer ones have these issues addressed (not holding my breath). Until then, I guess I'll have to get used to it. The question is, will I?
2. Very small creakiness on left/right edges (pushing inwards): Not much of a problem, but it is worth mentioning. Not that it is very noticeable; it's just that such creaking makes the overall quality and feel of the product seem a bit on the cheap side. I guess I was spoiled by my iPad, but I really don't worry about that thing falling down. This thing seems a bit more sensitive for me. Perhaps I'll get used to it with time?!
OTHER HARDWARE ISSUES:
1. Weight: I don't know of it's just my mind playing tricks on me or what, but the TF seems much heavier than my iPad (first gen). Perhaps it is the difference in dimensions which might require some time getting used to. I don't know what it is, but I definetely can't hold this thing comfortably nearly as long as I can the iPad.
2. Video Playback (including HQ YouTube): People are claiming that this is a limitation of the Tegra 2 processor. If that's the case, than why in the hell would they even bother with it? I mean, I don't expect this thing to run and yield the same quality that my 42" Panasonic VIERA plasma TV does, but this is a tablet. At least 1/3 of everything people do with tablet is watch movies. Especially YouTube movies. This thing should handle it as fine as the first generation iPad does (you know, the one that came out over a year ago). C'mon now! Anyways, my HQ YouTube videos sporadically jerks around and HD videos, well, you've probably seen tons of complaints about it. Tsk, tsk!
3. Smoothness/Speed: I must say that I was somewhat let down with the performance right out-of-the-box. Once again, it must be spoiled by the iPad here. I just feel that either Honeycomb is trying to pack too many animations, graphics, etc. or the processor is just lacking. Whatever the case, I am hoping that someone roots this thing fast and removes some of the resource hogs out of here (apparently there are a lot of unnecessary programs running on the background). Don't get me wrong, this thing isn't dragging ass or anything. It just isn't as speedy as I expected it to be out-of-the-box. I guess I'm more concerned about when I have my 100+ apps installed on this thing. If it's like this now, how will it be then? My EVO 4G seems a lot more fluid when navigating than this thing does, especially when it has a fresh install on it.
4. Smudgeness: I've seen some people complain about this here and there but I thought they just weren't used to using anything touchscreen and were probably exagerating. I was wrong. This thing really does attract a lot more smudging than the iPad, Nook Color, or my Evo. Not that big a deal, but a minor nuissance indeed.
SOFTWARE ISSUES:
1. App Availability/Reliability: So far I haven't come across many apps that don't work well with Honeycomb, but the ones that I do have issues with really bother me. Words with Friends need to step their game up and fix some of the performance and density issues the game is plagued with. Also, out of the apps that are available for Honeycomb and the iPad, the iPad version not only runs so much smoother, but usually contain a lot more features as well. Take Taptu for example. It looks and feels completely different and a lot more robust on the iPad. What a shame! (BTW, I know this is not a TF issue, but a HC issue. Relax!)
2. Auto-brightness: I mentioned this before in this thread. It really does seem that the auto-brightness is a bit too dim. Maybe it is just a dimmer screen than the iPad or Nook Color. But even still, it could use auto-brightness to compensate for that when not in max-brightness mode. Right?
3. Camera: I wasn't expecting wonders from the camera, but I was expecting a lot better movement experience when video recording. I hope that this is something that can be addressed with a software update (maybe tweaking the processing of the captured image/video). On a good note, the front-facing camera worked pretty decently.
I understand that getting a "perfect" device is, in most cases, unrealistic. But, as much as I despise almost everything Apple, I haven't had any cosmetic issues with any of the iPads/iPods I've owned or used. So I know it is possible to be a lot better.
I know, well, hope, that the future is much brighter for the Transformer. Asus seem to be very involved in improving our experience, which is a good sign. Let's just hope they can tackle the camera and video performance as soon as possible.
I know it seems that I have a lot more complaints than praises here. Don't get me wrong, there are issues. But the positive far outweighs them. At least enough for me to keep it. I highly recommend it to anyone wanting a tablet that will encompass a bit more than just surfing the net and watching YouTube videos. This thing really can replace your netbook.
SCORE: 7/10 (9/10 if they fix the software issues)
Reserved for updates, answers to questions, etc.
For those who want yet ANOTHER review, heres my article from my website... http://asustransform.com
It’s safe to say that the Asus Transformer has definitely been making waves in the small pool that is, Android tablets. Though Asus did disappoint many potential customers with the lack of product availability, the tablet has proven to be worth the wait and worth the effort to get your hands on one.
Having had the Transformer for roughly two weeks now (just over a week with the keyboard dock), I have gathered enough information to do a thorough review of both. Though the video review is a bit lengthy; I tried my best to touch upon every aspect of the tablet and dock.
I’ve provided a brief written summary to compliment the video review. The Asus Transformer has really changed my lifestyle (for the better) just as much as the 7″ Samsung Galaxy Tab did. But without further adieu, check out my video review below and the written summary below it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCMSRNchwco&feature=player_embedded
Build Quality & Design:
When I first received the Asus Transformer, I was quick to give it an “A-” score to gauge the build quality. It’s apparent today that the score was clouded by my excitement to have finally gotten the tablet in my hands. After reevaluation, I consider the build quality of the tablet to be a mid “B”-I am a student, I think in terms of letter grades! Overall the build quality of the tablet is good, but sadly not as good as my iPad 1 nor the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1.
I do notice some “squeaking” when pressing down on the textured backing; perhaps it’s due to it being plastic rather than a metallic build. This in no way means that the tablet is cheap. On the contrary, when coupled with the optional keyboard dock, the build of the two units as a whole feels exceptional. The dock is extremely well build; we will get to the dock a little bit later. There is one flaw in the design and that is the relatively sharp edges of the tab. This makes typing with keyboard apps such as Thumb Keyboard a little bit difficult and slightly painful after prolonged use. It’s common to develop marks on your hands from holding it for too long because of this issue.
Sound:
The speakers on the Transformer are average at best. While music does sound a bit muffled, the annoying “popping” sound takes the cake. This popping & crackling sound happens frequently and it usually occurs when getting a notification after leaving the tablet idling for a while. Hopefully this will be addressed in the update that is promised in June. On the flip side, the audio output via headphones or using the HDMI out feature do not disappoint. Music sounds crisp and lively; this shouldn’t disappoint any serious audiophiles.
Camera:
The front facing 1.2 MP camera is enough to have a decent video conversation. I video chat using Google Talk very frequently and the quality is very good for such a low resolution camera. The rear 5 MP camera takes great photos and shoots decent 720p video. This in no way will replace your standalone digital camera or flip cam but it’s there if you need it.
Screen Quality:
If you have seen other reviews about the Transformer, they usually have one thing in common; they all rave about the screen. While I do agree that the screen is gorgeous and nice to look at, I feel as if the screen is not as sensitive as it could be. I usually have to tap an icon twice or sometimes three time just to get it to register. I am not sure if it has to do with me tapping the icon rather than pressing it (different surface areas) but either way, it’s a bit annoying. It seems to be better with the latest update but here’s hoping for a permanent fix in the upcoming update.
Dock:
Even with the flaws that I’ve mentioned with this tablet, it redeems itself when coupled with the keyboard dock. The seamless integration of the the tablet with the keyboard is truly nothing less than brilliant engineering. Asus really took the time to get this right! The two 2 full-sized USB ports provide great functionality. I can even use it to charge my HTC Thunderbolt via the USB cable. Sure it charges it up slowly, but the point is that it charges it! It also detects portable hard drives as well as thumb drives. I have even connected a USB mouse to it and it all works well. It comes with a SD card reader which provides with yet another way of expanding the memory. While docked, the Transformer actually gets charged by the dock’s build in battery so you will never run out of battery; just another reason why the dock is worth the $150 price tag. Typing long papers or reviews such as this one is comfortable. The keyboard is spacious and the trackpad is a good size. There is no distinction between my Apple bluetooth keyboard and the Transformer’s; it’s just that good!
Overall:
The Asus Transformer is fantastic tablet which truly obliterates any competitor that attempts to mimic its functionality; such as the Samsung 10.1 keyboard. For $400 it holds it’s own as a great tablet for those on a budget. It may not be as light as the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 but with features such as HDMI out, a microSD card slot, the dock, and a lower price tag, its obvious who the clear winner is. I highly recommend checking out the Asus EEE Pad Transformer for yourselves. You will not be disappointed.
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Good review , Quite informative
yzman321 said:
Good review , Quite informative
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Would be even better without the html entities.
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Would be even better without the html entities.
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Wow that was really lame of me...I'm sorry. Fixed :-!
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Wow that was really lame of me...I'm sorry. Fixed :-!
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Great review,
I agree with you on the screen sensitivity,
I felt like I had to press things twice sometimes to get things to register when I first got it.
However, after using it for about a month, I don't have that problem anymore,
Not sure ifi jjust got used to it or its part of the break in process, give it more time and see if you still feel that way
The screen sensitivity thing and some lag are my only big complaints. I'm a bit widget happy, which probably accounts for the lag.
I'm hoping both will be taken care of in 3.1.
As for multitouch zooming with the trackpad: this is possible and has been shown off on a few demo firmwares. we're not sure if ASUS will ship this in a future update, but it was probably removed due to patent laws. I'm sure someone in the community will get it working eventually.
@andyxover ya i am the same way, i got use it but according to a site that i read (who got the build early) this is better in 3.1.
@CoolWaters ya that could be the reason but seriously, i think with a Tegra 2 u should be able to put on as many widgets as you want and not notice a significant decrease in performance.
@Gary13579 i have no doubt in my mind that if its possible, someone here will make it a reality. but dont many laptops have this feature already (besides Apple)? cuz if they do, then there shouldnt be any legal issues...lets hope for that!
Hello, TF'ers. I'am asking a simple question for those who love their Transformers but for some reason is lusting after one of the other tablet's. Please list the tablet you wish you could have and why.
Thanks.
I have my TF101 and I'm happily satisfied with my purchase.
I love this thing. Nothing else comes close.
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Love mt TF but I always wonder if I would love the Acer Iconia A500 better.
I have had every tablet out, and the iconia was ok, the screen is not as good as the TF, but at least the browser does not crash as much, no lag while trying to type, and the usb...
I am looking at the thrive... if I know what kinda of glass it will have I would order one.
More than happy with my TF'er. Tried the Zoom, tried the Ipad2 but neither come close. I'm mildly interested in the GT 10.2 to see what the fuss is about but the lack of SD card immediately puts a dampener on it.
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I have had every tablet out, and the iconia was ok, the screen is not as good as the TF, but at least the browser does not crash as much, no lag while trying to type, and the usb...
I am looking at the thrive... if I know what kinda of glass it will have I would order one.
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I have 0 lag and havent had the browser crash once. I have 2 usb's slots and both SD and MiniSD card slots. I use a wireless mouse and BT headset nd get over 24 hours of battery life on hard use. Hwat else could you ask for?
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As a launch-day Pre purchaser who converted to Android in January of this year, I have to admit that I'm intrigued by the TouchPad. webOS really is SOOOO much better in terms of multitasking that I'd love to have it on a tablet.
However, there are three things that temper this notion. First, webOS does not and likely will not have the apps that I need for quite some time. The TouchPad won't even have Office document editing out the door, which is simply ridiculous. I can't believe that Samsung can completely redesign their tablet and release it in a few months, while HP can't get a single freaking app written that's absolutely vital to their product's success. Really, webOS made me promise myself never to buy something for a feature that's "coming soon."
Second, until a tablet has a keyboard dock as functional as the Transformer's, I'd have a hard time switching over. There's simply no better device for straight writing (i.e., just laying words down on the page) on the go. If HP releases a similar hybrid device someday, I'll think about it (assuming the apps are there), but Transformer is just a great all-around mobile device.
Third, while webOS is a nice OS in many ways, I'm disappointed that HP didn't design it to make better use of a tablet's screen size. Ultimately, webOS 3.X is just a blown-up version of the smartphone OS, with the same number of cards showing, only bigger. They could have done so much more with it. I really like how Honeycomb's screens can provide so much useful information at a glance. I often just turn my TF on, check to see if I have any emails, upcoming appointments, what the weather's like, etc., etc., and then just turn it back off. It's like a dashboard for my life, and so far no other tablet OS comes close in this respect.
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...........It's like a dashboard for my life.........
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Thats how I would describe it to the "T". You should sent that to Asus for branding...lmao
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Love my Transformer... But wish I have an iPad only due to the vast number of case options available. However I'm looking forward to receiving my multi-angle rooCase.
I don't undestand why you would want any other tablet (at least any other android tablet)
The TF offers everything all the other android tablets offer PLUS MORE... Anything else would just be a downgrade.
the only thing I'm lusting for currently is a fully functional Netflix app. I really love to watch movies quietly at night and currently have to switch over to my Nook Color to do this. TF is awesome, working Netflix would make it total perfection for my needs.
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Love mt TF but I always wonder if I would love the Acer Iconia A500 better.
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The Transformer is better than the iconia. I had one, the screen on it sucks and it weighs a lot more. The only things it has over the transformer are the aluminum body (I actually prefer the transformer's body but most like aluminum that I've talked to) and the speakers have more bass. IMO the transformer wins hands down.
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I have 0 lag and havent had the browser crash once.
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Bollocks
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get over 24 hours of battery life on hard use. Hwat else could you ask for?
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Did you do something special to your batteries?
I wish it had normal browser like Chrome with extensions and such. I wish it had mouse hover capabilities.
I have a XFormer, but would love a Xoom, but only to see the benefit of Internal 3G.
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Yep the grass always seems greener on the other side. I'm lucky enough to be able to try them all out. I've got the Asus Iconia, the Transformer, and iPad 2 already, and the Galaxy 10.2 is in the mail. Starting to get a better profile of how I use them. Want to copy your camera photos to the tablet? Something with an SD slot will make you happier. Have movies on an external USB hard drive? Having a standard USB port will make you giddy if you want a movie off that drive to watch on your tablet. These emotional highs are momentary moments though, and 99% of the time I'm just playing games, reading email, checking the web, facebook, youtube. Every tablet does these fine, and during that time I appreciate the lighter ones. They all have a way to add a keyboard to them. Bluetooth is easy, especially once you've paired a keyboard. Apple and Samsung have $69 keyboard docks for their thin tablet dock ports. You pay more to get the Transformer's keyboard dock, but you get a far better integrated and multi-functional add-on for your money. Hooking up to these is an inconvenience of varying degrees. You are not likely to have the iPad or Galaxy keyboard docks with you when you leave the house, so they suck. Good bluetooth keyboards are always wider than these tablets are, and as such less likely to fit in the same case with your tablet. If you've got a case for your Transformer, it is likely for netbooks and will hold both the tablet and keyboard together. So if you prefer a physical keyboard to an onscreen one, the Transformer is clearly the standout choice. You have to weigh that importance though, as that keyboard dock doubles the total weight you'll be carrying.
I've been working on a showdown between these tablets for my blog. Easy enough to ding this one and promote another for a slot or port or not. Not sure the small time these features come into play will aggravate a user enough to choose ports over weight/looks though. Money obviously play a role, as the difference between the Asus and a full set of features with its dock and an iPad with all the same features via add-ons is huge. It help that the Asus starts out $100 under the iPad. Samsung is certainly brave going head-on with Apple, I'll give them that. They must be thinking that iPad buyers didn't mind no MicroSD or USB ports, and millions were sold, so microSD and USB ports don't really matter. They might be right. Time will tell if they sell more Android Honeycomb tablets than Asus. I can't see them ever catching up to iPad sales though, with nothing to add value to iPad prices. Pay that much and you might as well get an iPad. JMHO.
I am a very happy Transformer owner, everything else (at the moment) on the market, even the ipad 2, would be downgrading.
I love my ASUS transformer too.
However, if I had to pick another table between xoom or samsung galaxy v2 10.1 or iPad.
I would get the Samsung Galaxy 10.1, I checked it out at Best Buy yesterday and it was pretty nice. No lag at all either and it was very responsive.
Sometimes my transformer feels unresponsive, and it lags but it could be due to my tons of widgets on the home screen.
However if Samsung did have a keyboard dock like transformer, I would hop on it however I heard their updates were lacking and slow to be released.
Though I like how its lighter, thinner the transformer, and looks a bit nicer. Also I enjoyed the PLS screen as it also had more VIBRANT colors then the transformer.
Has anyone else noticed the number of complaints about light bleeds, freezing, and glitches about the ipad 2?
I regularly run into ipad and ipad2 users and their universal attitude seems to be "my tablet is better than yours".
Isn't the ipad 2 suppose to be the perfect hardware and software integrated product?
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Has anyone else noticed the number of complaints about light bleeds, freezing, and glitches about the ipad 2?
I regularly run into ipad and ipad2 users and their universal attitude seems to be "my tablet is better than yours".
Isn't the ipad 2 suppose to be the perfect hardware and software integrated product?
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No idea what you're talking about, seriously. I had an iPad and now iPad 2 as well as the Iconia and love em both for their separate strengths. We have 3 ipad2's in our house and due to my job, they are stuffed to the gills with all kinds of apps and none have frozen, needed to be restarted or crashed. There have been an occasion app that has refused to load, but nothing like you are gleefully mentioning.
As for your rumor regarding screen issues, I posted something about this earlier today- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1188841 - the iPads have consistently been the screen by which all others are compared and reports of light bleed, from what I've read, have been a rare defect.
I'm also loving my Android devices now that my Infuse is rooted (ROM is next) and my Iconia has HC3.1. There are days when I only use something running iOS for phone calls (my iPhone still has my main number). But Android it still doesn't have the polish iOS does (/ducks to avoid flames and large stones... ) which I blame more on the OEM's than the software. Android, again IMO, also doesn't have as many quality apps- game, productivity, multimedia, graphics, etc. But this is just a matter of time.
Is iOS the "perfect" blend of hardware and software? Maybe not, but IMHO, it's the closest to it for an "out of the box" experience at the moment. I'm sure with enough tweaks, ROMs and hacks, an experienced owner could create a near perfect tablet experience and while the ability to do all that is the beauty of Android, you can't expect your average user to do anything close to that.
So I don't know if your post was a troll shot and I got suckered into replying, but I guess I'm replying as an iPad and Android owner that doesn't feel like I have to boast about one product to denigrate another. Other than stating how a particular OS suits their expectations more than the other, I've never been around any iPad owners chanting about how superior their tab is, that's just ridiculous... of course all the iPad owners I know other than my son are adults...
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Has anyone else noticed the number of complaints about light bleeds, freezing, and glitches about the ipad 2?
I regularly run into ipad and ipad2 users and their universal attitude seems to be "my tablet is better than yours".
Isn't the ipad 2 suppose to be the perfect hardware and software integrated product?
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I think some Apple folks suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect as well as some cognitive dissonance - caused by the ADF (Apple Distortion Field).
Any and all Apple products, therefore - as superior to any competing product. Any and all Apple strategies are superior to any competing brands strategies.
Any and all Apple "stuff" is superior to any competing "stuff".
Once you understand and agree to compromise (shut yo mouth, foo!), you'll get along with them.
Now, these statements are a mixture of jokes and certain feelings I may possibly really believe .
Either way, the truth of the matter is the iPad and iPad 2 are great products. I think they are extremely thoughtfully made for better or for worse. I think they choose processes that make them great looking and 'easy'. I also think they are terrigreedy, holding back tech. and restricting certain features in order to squeeze money from customers. But give any company a chance and they'd do this - don't think it's just Apple. They are simply getting away with it, and that upsets folks.
I haven't seen many products which touch Apple quality in terms of materials they use and such. Apple's been shipping laptops with backlit keyboards for a while, look how long it took PC makers to do the same? (Granted, Apple notebooks are at a more than 70% premium, but still...nice, right?).
The light bleed may be an issue for some but think about it, most Apple users aren't doing anything to accentuate it. We're hard on our stuff! We really are. We penalize our hardware harshly, they don't (for the most part) and those that do are probably not Apple fans.
We turn lights off and make our screens pitch black in order to check for problems we wouldn't notice unless/until we search for them, they don't...they use and enjoy their stuff. While I do not agree that the iPad 2 is a BETTER device than even the A500, I do think it contains some parts that may be considered superior. That doesn't mean the competition (A500, Tab 10.1, TF) doesn't beat the pants off of the iPad 2, they in general do in terms of playing movies, games and such - but it means that a TYPICAL user will probably get 1. less heartache and 2. more enjoyment out of the iPad 2, while there's sort of a small learning curve for Android Tablets.
I hope this makes sense.
I'm a little biased, you can tell...but I'm objective enough to know good technology when I see/use it.
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So I don't know if your post was a troll shot and I got suckered into replying, but I guess I'm replying as an iPad and Android owner that doesn't feel like I have to boast about one product to denigrate another.
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Actually, no, it's not a troll shot. I take the train everyday to work, so I encounter quite a few ipad users on a daily basis. Even at work I run into them. There's something about the ipad that makes people want to look down on everyone who uses something else.
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I haven't seen many products which touch Apple quality in terms of materials they use and such. Apple's been shipping laptops with backlit keyboards for a while, look how long it took PC makers to do the same? (Granted, Apple notebooks are at a more than 70% premium, but still...nice, right?).
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I mean, no, not really. I HAVE a macbook, and don't care about, nor will look for a backlit kb on my next laptop... The mofo has also developed an annoying problem where it seems to see phantom touchpad presses and repositions my cursor at random.
I've the Iconia and the original iPad.
If I didn't have 'weird' requirements from a tablet, which are:
Connect a KB/Mouse for RDP
Use Bittorrent client (for legit purposes of course!!!)
... I would use the ipad every single time.
IMO, it's just a much much much nicer experience to use. Now, don't bother contradicting me on that. It's MY opinion and it's MY experience.
It's just smoother, nicer, better apps and the tablet itself is nicer (esp the iPad 2 which I have access to at work).
I've been thinking recently tho.. what I really want is a 13.3" Windows 8 tablet with Tegra 3, full size USB/HDMI, and something like a retina display and be same weight/thickness as iPad2.
Then I can ditch my laptop which I really only use to play Windows only games.
I also want 13.3" cos 10" is too small to work on all day long and I hate my work desk cluttered by a big fat clunky external screen. Just waiting for those transparent displays like u get in Avatar.
Windows 8 so I can install Diablo 3 on it when it comes out. Or OSX or whatever since I guess D3 will be out on Mac as well.
All I want is one all-encompassing device (and by the time D3 comes out, that shouldn't be too hard....)
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... I would use the ipad every single time.
IMO, it's just a much much much nicer experience to use. Now, don't bother contradicting me on that. It's MY opinion and it's MY experience.
It's just smoother, nicer, better apps and the tablet itself is nicer (esp the iPad 2 which I have access to at work).
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Not trying to argue against you, but thought I'd just offer my personal view on that too, since I have experience on both devices too. I have an Ipad and the Iconia in my home as well, my wife has the iPad2 and I have this tab. Before I got the tab, she used to have the original iPad, and I used it quite a bit...she upgraded to the 2 around the time when I got my toy, after which I've barely touched the iPad2.
Now, I really like the iPad - I really do. When we just had that, I used it all the time (too much according to my wife ). It's snappy, clear to use, simple...nice device, I really like it for very basic stuff.
However, when that was the only tablet thing we had, I had to use my laptop/desktop much more than I do now, I felt like it was "too basic" for my needs. I didn't use to think I go to many flash sites, but I guess I do...there were plenty of things that just didn't work with the Safari, unfortunately. Plus the whole media experience is completely different, with the iPad I never watched anything since I just couldn't...it supported absolutely nothing of my current video collection, nothing works, everything should've been re-encoded and somehow (itunes I guess) brought into the iPad, which I didn't want to bother with - I have my setup and there are plenty of standards to go with how I access my stuff (DLNA, SMB, etc.), I didn't want to bend over backwards to redo everything. And now, with my Iconia, I can stream vidoes of whatever format from my home server, copy files by plugging in the USB or using samba etc. all sorts of options for that. So to me, the Iconia / HC tabs are clearly more useful than the iPad, the Android tablet is more of a computer in that way, it works with my existing network, just plugs into it. So yeah, I prefer it. Greatly. And even physically, I have to say I prefer the Iconia now...the 4:3 aspect ration on the iPad just looks wrong now.
But anyway, not trying to argue, just offering my views on the two devices. Like you, I see good points in both, but I'd say I strongly prefer the Android tablets for the more "computer-like" power they have and the way they interact with the existing setup I have.
I'm in the market for a tablet (or possibly a Chromebook). I'm an editor of a website and need to be able to use it to work on my Wordpress site effectively so strong browser support and keyboard input is crucial.
I like the idea of an Android tablet as I own a Galaxy S4 and have a large collection of Android apps already. Thus, it would also start out with a nice collection of apps.
I'm a bit unclear as to the differences between the Tab Pro 12.2 and the Note Pro 12.2. They seem very alike except for the stylus. Clearly I'm missing something as that's not much to account for the price difference.
I have an iPad 2 and it's nice but I can't really work on it at all. It's too small to enjoy movies on and, sorry, it's Apple so it's too limited.
I'm also wondering about keyboards. If I got this way, should I get the Samsung keyboard, Logitech keyboard or some other keyboard? I'd like to find a very responsive keyboard. It would be an additional boon if it were also pretty quiet. My GF gets disturbed by late night typing on my desktop gaming keyboard.
I'm older so larger is better for my eyes. I'm at a point where I often pretty much need reading glasses for my S4 now.
For ages I was thinking I wanted a Transformer of some design but Asus seems to have fallen behind. Samsung seems to give me lots of potential breathing room.
Any input greatly appreciated. Thanks.
I'm pretty sure the Note Pro and Tab Pro are identical except for the S-Pen and wacom digitizer that powers it. Absolutely if you don't need pen input for notes or drawing then get the Tab.
You can use just about any Bluetooth keyboard with the Pro 12.2. I've had no trouble with several Logitech and Microsoft BT keyboards. I haven't used any of the made-for Note 12.2 keyboards.
My personal fave keyboard is the Logitech K810. It feels excellent for typing, has backlit keys and can instantly switch between 3 different devices.Its very quiet too- keys feel really nice.
Honestly though, if you really want the best laptop style experience, personally I'd opt for a decent lightweight x86 laptop vs a tablet. I'm not crazy about chromebooks though. I'd personally take the Note 12.2 over a chromebook any day, but that's just me.
Thanks. I keep thinking about a laptop but wonder about battery life, weight and the lack of instant-on, etc. I have my desktop always on so x86 isn't a problem. I saw the Tab Pro 12.2 at Best Buy today (they didn't have the Note Pro 12.2) and the size was fine.
However, on your keyboard issue. My concern is that I would like it to be connected so that it can act as a solid laptop replacement. It sounds like you use yours, say, around the house? Not sure how comfortable I'd be transporting two devices like that.
Years ago I'd loathe the thought of converting to Mac but I gotta tell ya, the retina macbook pros are pretty sweet in regards to battery life and instant on . . .
Agree with Zaptoons. Mobile platforms are always a compromise. I have to wonder if you'll be able to do the Wordpress work on Android, though I do see that there are apps for it.
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Years ago I'd loathe the thought of converting to Mac but I gotta tell ya, the retina macbook pros are pretty sweet in regards to battery life and instant on . . .
Agree with Zaptoons. Mobile platforms are always a compromise. I have to wonder if you'll be able to do the Wordpress work on Android, though I do see that there are apps for it.
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On the Mac, that might be a bit out of the price range for this purchase. I also really despise Apple on too many fronts. I recommend them highly and readily -- just not for me so far, but I will continue to refresh the thinking.
On Wordpress work, it really comes down to the capability of the browser. As long as it supports a solid browser experience, I should be okay. I hit Best Buy today to see if the 12.2 would be "too big" and it wasn't. I loaded the browser and it seemed to be solid. I just wasn't comfortable logging into Wordpress though. No idea about stored accounts, etc.
I hear you on the mac.
Definition of solid performance is subjective, you realize that right?
Let's put it this way; unless there's a tablet specific application to do what you need to on wordpress then nothing other than screen size is going to differ between the Note Pro and your s4. The browsers are going to be about the same.
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Leading up to the launch of the Note Pro 12.2 I was eager to get one. Then I stopped by Best Buy and, on a whim, picked up the Acer C720P Chromebook. For a third the cost it doesn't have as big, high resolution or bright of a screen as the Note Pro but it has served me well for everything I need in a mobile device. I even stopped using my Note 10.1 OG. Notice I said mobile device. The Acer has typically given me a solid 7 hours of batter life which is amazing.
Having said that...if you are worried about needing reading glasses and want more screen real estate, the Note Pro might be your path. Though, with a higher resolution type is smaller at normal zoom. You can simply zoom in for bigger text.
If WordPress is your thing, the Chromebook will handle that with no issues. It is a browser afterall.
I'm still contemplating the Note Pro but it is not at the top of my wish list since I purchased the Chromebook. At first it was weird to get used to but it is second nature now and the added offline support for most of the Google apps has sealed the deal for me.
Just my two cents.
Again, great info from all. My thoughts:
1. I haven't had good luck with Android Wordpress apps. To me, they're all a kludge. However, that doesn't mean you can't be productive with Wordpress on Android. The limitation on my S4 is real estate. The browser seems to work fine but I can't be effective with the size of the screen or the keyboard. I suspect a larger screen would work. In part I was hoping I'd get lucky and find another Wordpress user who happened to have luck (or no luck) on this device or a similar one.
2. I have a bit of a klunky Chromebook. A while back I installed Chrome on a eePC -- an entry level Asus T100 or something like that. It's a horrible piece of HARDWARE. I have zero issues with the OS itself and it feels very natural to me. However, I have this haunting feeling that Chrome itself is becoming a dinosaur. As Android continues to prosper, it's dwarfing Chrome to such a point that, I suspect, Android will evolve into being an OS we can use on any device. Maybe I'm missing something entirely about its potential, but that's my thinking. There isn't much going on in the development world for it compared to Android where there's exponentially more options.
Right now, having seen it, I'm concerned about ease of keyboard use (physical). Given the top-heavy design of the tablet having most of the weight, using it on my lap looks pretty impossible. The right keyboard seems an issue too. Samsung's has those raised edges that, I suspect my wrists will want to sit on (ouch). Logitech's keyboard sounds great except for the fact that most of the reviews of it contain horror stories of the Note Pro falling out of its clasps. The other options are all poorly reviewed.
Asus has the combo Android/Windows device but its not all that impressive. Heck, I'd rather it was an Android/Chrome device. hehe
It also appears as if the hybrid options from Asus are cancelled due to pressure from both Google and Microsoft. hehe Neither their Duet or Trio looked all that impressive (lousy battery life, Android 4.2, low resolution, average screens).
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I'm in the market for a tablet (or possibly a Chromebook). I'm an editor of a website and need to be able to use it to work on my Wordpress site effectively so strong browser support and keyboard input is crucial.
I like the idea of an Android tablet as I own a Galaxy S4 and have a large collection of Android apps already. Thus, it would also start out with a nice collection of apps.
I'm a bit unclear as to the differences between the Tab Pro 12.2 and the Note Pro 12.2. They seem very alike except for the stylus. Clearly I'm missing something as that's not much to account for the price difference.
I have an iPad 2 and it's nice but I can't really work on it at all. It's too small to enjoy movies on and, sorry, it's Apple so it's too limited.
I'm also wondering about keyboards. If I got this way, should I get the Samsung keyboard, Logitech keyboard or some other keyboard? I'd like to find a very responsive keyboard. It would be an additional boon if it were also pretty quiet. My GF gets disturbed by late night typing on my desktop gaming keyboard.
I'm older so larger is better for my eyes. I'm at a point where I often pretty much need reading glasses for my S4 now.
For ages I was thinking I wanted a Transformer of some design but Asus seems to have fallen behind. Samsung seems to give me lots of potential breathing room.
Any input greatly appreciated.
Which way did u decide to go? I'd love to know your thoughts!
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The only difference is the stylus really. If you plan to be taking this to meetings or digitize any part of your handwriting, then the NOTE pro is the device to get, as the TAB pro has no stylus and thus does not specialize itself in taking handwritten notes. I got the wifi version, im satisfied, although probably the LTE snapdragon version may be slightly snappier. If samsung decides to offer some decent customer support in terms of software then overall this will be a good buy. Other than thati find battery life great. I havent used keyboards yet, however if you plan to be using this at a desk u will find the extra screen size v v useful vs the 10 inches. If u plan to be holding it in bed a lot, it could get some time to get used to,but i did. Multi window is v useful in making the experience more windows like and enhances productivity. Browser support is good but not quite the pc levels yet.
You could not investigate surface pro 3 vs this one.
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The only difference is the stylus really. If you plan to be taking this to meetings or digitize any part of your handwriting, then the pro is the device to get.
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They both are called Pro. You meant to say Note Pro if using S pen for note taking. I think there is also difference in RAM, Note Pro has 3Gb, Tab Pro has 2.
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They both are called Pro. You meant to say Note Pro if using S pen for note taking. I think there is also difference in RAM, Note Pro has 3Gb, Tab Pro has 2.
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Edited and clarified. Thanks
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Girl527 said:
I'm also wondering about keyboards. If I got this way, should I get the Samsung keyboard, Logitech keyboard or some other keyboard? I'd like to find a very responsive keyboard. It would be an additional boon if it were also pretty quiet. My GF gets disturbed by late night typing on my desktop gaming keyboard.
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I went with the Note Pro 12.2. I'm very glad I did. Here are same random observations:
1. It's not quite as "polished" as an iPad but it is more flexible in use. I'll take that any day.
2. The size is excellent. Very good for watching a film at the airport, etc.
3. Google seems to be the worst thing about the device. Limitations I find all lead to them at the end. For example, Chrome (the browser) is a cheap imitation of its cousins on PC and Chromebooks. It doesn't do spell checking well, it has odd bugs like opening tabs by using the keyboard. Hit CTRL-T and you'll have to sometimes do it twice to get a new tab and then you get two. Google also doesn't give devs a way to re-assign mouse buttons should you use a bluetooth mouse for a bit of laptop-replacement work. That gets a bit strange as the right mouse button doesn't bring up options (like you get when you hold a screen link or item on the touchscreen) but instead acts like the back button on the device. Doh.
4. The keyboards are all a mixed bag. The Zagg is okay but has annoying raised corners than your hands sit on when typing and its also a bit cheap feeling and not very responsive. The Samsung keyboard isn't really a case. It's more like a snap-on cover that's entirely unconnected when used as a keyboard It just lets the tablet sit at an angle in it which makes it tough to use in bed, for example. It also has the same terrible raised corners. The Logitech is the best of the lot. Quiet, well laid-out and robust. However, it too has its own had-banging issues. You can't reassign its macro keys so if you use a different mail app, tough. Hitting the Mail button will bring up Gmail. The Browser button has an annoying bug that forces you to ALWAYS select which browser you'd like to use no matter how many times you "set the default browser". It also lacks the keyboard app Logitech provides for ALL their other similar keyboards including one made for the Tab 10.1. Go figure. Their own support reps don't even understand this.
Regardless, I'm an old quality assurance professional so I can be very opinionated and a perfectionist so this is a very short list of gripes from me. I still wouldn't own anything else given what I've tried and seen. Very happy customer so far. Having access to all my Android apps is great. I just wish Google would look at Android as a complete OS and stop limiting it to just a hand-held-type OS. Give it a FULL version of Chrome. In fact, just dump the fairly useless Chromium OS and put your efforts into this.
Great info!
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I went with the Note Pro 12.2. I'm very glad I did. Here are same random observations:
1. It's not quite as "polished" as an iPad but it is more flexible in use. I'll take that any day.
2. The size is excellent. Very good for watching a film at the airport, etc.
3. Google seems to be the worst thing about the device. Limitation I find all find them at the end. For example, Chrome (the browser) is a cheap imitation of its cousins on nearly the PC and Chrome books. It doesn't do spell checking well, it has odd bugs like opening tabs by using the keyboard. Hit CTRL-T and you'll have to sometimes do it twice to get a new tab and then you get two. Google also doesn't give devs a way to re-assign mouse buttons should you use a bluetooth mouse for a bit of laptop-replacement work. That gets a bit strange as the right mouse button doesn't bring up options (like you get when you hold a screen link or item on the touchscreen) but instead acts like the back button on the device. Doh.
4. The keyboards are all a mixed bag. The Zagg is okay but has annoying raised corners than your hands sit on when typing and its also a bit cheap feeling and not very responsive. The Samsung keyboard isn't really a case. It's more like a snap-on cover that's entirely unconnected when used as a keyboard It just lets the tablet sit at an angle in it which makes it tough to use in bed, for example. It also has the same terrible raised corners. The Logitech is the best of the lot. Quiet, well laid-out and robust. However, it too has its own had-banging issues. You can't reassign its macro keys so if you use a different mail app, tough. Hitting the Mail button will bring up Gmail. The Browser button has an annoying bug that forces you to ALWAYS select which browser you'd like to use no matter how many times you "set the default browser". It also lacks the keyboard app Logitech provides for ALL their other similar keyboards including one made for the Tab 10.1. Go figure. Their own support reps don't even understand this.
Regardless, I'm an old quality assurance professional so I can be very opinionated and a perfectionist so this is a very short list of gripes from me. I still wouldn't own anything else given what I've tried and see. Very happy customer so far. Having access to all my Android apps is great. I just wish Google would look at Android as a complete OS and stop limiting it to just a hand-held-type OS. Give it a FULL version of Chrome. In fact, just dump the fairly useless Chromium OS and put your efforts into this.
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Awesome information! Thanks for taking the time to share your impressions. I'm having a difficult time pulling the trigger on this purchase (why??) and your opinion helps a bunch! Thanks again!