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I upgrade the ROM fairly frequently on my Blackstone, usually with the latest Dutty release. This was fine up til yesterday. I installed Dutty's Holy Grail R0 ROM, and after installation, after about an hour, the device completely locked up. I pressed the reset button, and the device Hard-resetted, removing everything and going back through the setup screens. This happened a couple of times, so last night I put on a different ROM, Dutty's WM6.5 R15. The device locked up after about an hour, and wouldn't get past the "smart mobility" screen when restarted. This morning I loaded the stock (Orange UK) ROM back onto the device. I haven't had the chance to check if this problem will re-occur, but when I turn on the phone the colours are flipped (putting it to sleep and turning it on again fix this problem, but on a soft-reset it happens again). Seems I can't get anything right at the moment, can anyone suggest what might be up? Tech specs below:
UK Touch HD on Orange
USPL - used exactly as per the Dummies Guide.
Using Win7 x64 (yes, I've got the drivers installed correctly for USPL)
ROMs mentioned in post:
Dutty's Holy Grail R0
Dutty's W6.5 R15
I suppose you didn't install the stock ROM prior to installing the Dutty ROM. You MUST flash a stock ROM before you flash a home cooked ROM, since they work a bit differently when it comes to erasing data. USPL doesn't seem to be the best way either. I had similar problems like you when I used USPL.
So try the following:
Flash your SPL to OliNex
Flash your device with a stock ROM
Use HSPL to flash the Dutty ROM of choice
Ogredani said:
I suppose you didn't install the stock ROM prior to installing the Dutty ROM. You MUST flash a stock ROM before you flash a home cooked ROM, since they work a bit differently when it comes to erasing data. USPL doesn't seem to be the best way either. I had similar problems like you when I used USPL.
So try the following:
Flash your SPL to OliNex
Flash your device with a stock ROM
Use HSPL to flash the Dutty ROM of choice
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not sure where you got your info, but, you DO NOT have to flash a stock ROM before flashing a cooked ROM. if you're having issues, they could be solved by flashing a STOCK rom. i'm sure i've flashed my HD over 60+ times and never flashed a stock ROM before doing so. i have not had any issues at all. in the original poster's case, it could be that the STOCK ROM he flashed requires an older SPL.
not sure where you got your info, but, you DO NOT have to flash a stock ROM before flashing a cooked ROM. if you're having issues, they could be solved by flashing a STOCK rom. i'm sure i've flashed my HD over 60+ times and never flashed a stock ROM before doing so. i have not had any issues at all. in the original poster's case, it could be that the STOCK ROM he flashed requires an older SPL.
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Could it be the SPL? Does USPL work with every ROM? The confusing thing is having flashed a stock ROM (the Orange UK ROM), while the device seems fine (apart from having to use 6.1!) it does suffer from the bizarre colour problem while starting up. If I were to flash the SPL to HardSPL, would I be able to undo this? I don't really want to get the phone to a state where I can't return it to the stock ROM/SPL if I need to return it.
cortez.i said:
not sure where you got your info, but, you DO NOT have to flash a stock ROM before flashing a cooked ROM. if you're having issues, they could be solved by flashing a STOCK rom. i'm sure i've flashed my HD over 60+ times and never flashed a stock ROM before doing so. i have not had any issues at all. in the original poster's case, it could be that the STOCK ROM he flashed requires an older SPL.
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lol i was gunna say exactly the same thing
fredley said:
Could it be the SPL? Does USPL work with every ROM? The confusing thing is having flashed a stock ROM (the Orange UK ROM), while the device seems fine (apart from having to use 6.1!) it does suffer from the bizarre colour problem while starting up. If I were to flash the SPL to HardSPL, would I be able to undo this? I don't really want to get the phone to a state where I can't return it to the stock ROM/SPL if I need to return it.
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maybe you should try hspl rather than uspl, its a lot easer and more convient, and its eaaasy to go bk to your original spl if you need to
cortez.i said:
not sure where you got your info, but, you DO NOT have to flash a stock ROM before flashing a cooked ROM. if you're having issues, they could be solved by flashing a STOCK rom. i'm sure i've flashed my HD over 60+ times and never flashed a stock ROM before doing so. i have not had any issues at all. in the original poster's case, it could be that the STOCK ROM he flashed requires an older SPL.
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Just sharing the experience from myself and several users at HTCpedia where flashing a stock ROM first is the general recommendation. You might have made it just fine with your HD without a "stock flash", but you may have different set-up of your phone (SPL, ROMs) than others. That's why I say play it safe and install the (latest) stock ROM and HSPL-OliNex. Seems to work for more or less everyone.
However, I agree that there is no definitive explanation to why you should flash the stock ROM, but it seems as if the flashing procedure of a stock ROM resets the memory completely, where a cooked ROM flash does not. Note that this well may be an issue with the wrapper and not the ROM, but that's another story.
Ogredani said:
Just sharing the experience from myself and several users at HTCpedia where flashing a stock ROM first is the general recommendation. You might have made it just fine with your HD without a "stock flash", but you may have different set-up of your phone (SPL, ROMs) than others. That's why I say play it safe and install the (latest) stock ROM and HSPL-OliNex. Seems to work for more or less everyone.
However, I agree that there is no definitive explanation to why you should flash the stock ROM, but it seems as if the flashing procedure of a stock ROM resets the memory completely, where a cooked ROM flash does not. Note that this well may be an issue with the wrapper and not the ROM, but that's another story.
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The best thing to do is use mtty to completely format your device and totaly remove the current os and any defragmented parts of older roms left in the memory blocks before flashing a new rom
Ogredani said:
Just sharing the experience from myself and several users at HTCpedia where flashing a stock ROM first is the general recommendation. You might have made it just fine with your HD without a "stock flash", but you may have different set-up of your phone (SPL, ROMs) than others. That's why I say play it safe and install the (latest) stock ROM and HSPL-OliNex. Seems to work for more or less everyone.
However, I agree that there is no definitive explanation to why you should flash the stock ROM, but it seems as if the flashing procedure of a stock ROM resets the memory completely, where a cooked ROM flash does not. Note that this well may be an issue with the wrapper and not the ROM, but that's another story.
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Think someone in HTCPedia was playing if safe by suggesting users flash stock rom before flashing cooked rom. Like cortez.i said above you DO NOT need to flash a stock ROM before flashing a cooked ROM. Some poeple occasionally experience issues with cooked roms and a solution can be to flash a stock rom. But like cortez.i I've flashed well over 200+ times and never flashed a stock ROM before doing so and I've never had an issue. It may be inexperienced users are doing something different which causes these issues or haven't followed the flashing process properly.
Well I am in a dilemma weather to flash the 2.08.50.08 RADIO or not..!!!
I have 2.04.50.22_2 RADIO..!!!
So can you people who have flashed & checked out various RADIO's help me out..???
In short which is the BEST RADIO for HD2 now..???
i just bought my hd2 few days ago... with a 2 year warranty... but i so wanna change the rom with a cooked one and to change the radio...
regarding your question... i have the same dilema... I suppose that the newer the better... but still... different radio versions appear to different operators... so... isn't it possible that they are tweaked for them this resulting in bad quality with another operator?... just asking...
I wonder if it is worth to flas radio as well.
no, u dont really need to flash the radio too. maybe its cool to show some friends the RAM power the HD2 really has, but thats all.
i flashed the latest radio after i flashed a cooked rom... the handy was working, but telephone function was bugged, so i flashed latest radio.. and it worked well + 576mb ram
so only flash it if u have problems with your current radio..
u dont need 576mb ram, the 448mb are more than enough, u will never use every byte xD
D4rkSoRRoW said:
no, u dont really need to flash the radio too. maybe its cool to show some friends the RAM power the HD2 really has, but thats all.
i flashed the latest radio after i flashed a cooked rom... the handy was working, but telephone function was bugged, so i flashed latest radio.. and it worked well + 576mb ram
so only flash it if u have problems with your current radio..
u dont need 576mb ram, the 448mb are more than enough, u will never use every byte xD
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thank you for the reply mate. I'm not going to then.
i have radio that came with that hotfix on htc page. can that ruin my guarantee?
i wonder if i it will help flashing a new radio with my battery life... now i unplug it at 0700 in the morning and at 0900, 1000 in the evening ițm bellow 5%... bummer... with data connection always on...
Don't fix what doesn't need fixing.
Or do it if you feel like it, but only if you are SURE it's not something over your head.
what is your avarage battery life?
Well just started usin the phone yesterday..!!!
LoLz..!!!
generally you need to update your radio if your going to use a newer cooked rom that needs it, if you don't upgrade your radio and you install a new rom, then odd's are good that you will not be able to boot your phone until you update the radio as well, if you like your phone the way it is dont worry, if you want to play with roms, make sure you can find a copy of your suppliers original rom so that you can always go back to that if you need to return it with a warranty issue, the manufacturers rom's generally flash the bootloader, the radio and the rom in one swoop, so you can go completely back to the way your phone was new, I just recently did this myself by flashing the telstra rom back onto the device from the microsdhc card... worked like a charm
i switched out my iphone 3g with an HD2 phone, and so far i like the phone itself. except one thing irritates the crap out of me and makes me just about want a different phone. when texting, or doing ANYTHING on the phone for that matter, and i get an incoming text message, the phone completely freezes up for almost up to 10 seconds. every single time. this is quite irritating and i've searched and searched and searched for fixes to this problem. is there anything out there to remedy this problem? or am i going to be plagued with it for an unset amount of time?
Hi guy!
I remember that i have this "lag" in official ROM with 1.66 base, but now in 2.10 ROM the contact was update and it's really faster!
Wich rom are you using?
thank you for the quick reply. my version is 2.13.531.1
here's the full info of my phone
OS - 5.2.21892
manila - 2.5.20121412.2
rom - 2.13.531.1
radio - 2.10.50.26
protocol - 15.39.50.07U
That's really strange! Because since 2.10 i think that the lag was remove!
Then if you can (and want) you can flash your ROM with a cooked ROM!
(You're on TMO official ROM no?)
If you need help to chose a ROM i can help you!
what effects/benefits would flashing with a cooked rom do? i'm new to this type of format
and yes i am. i've owned the phone for only a week or two.
ah nevermind, i looked it up. they're basically custom roms, yes? so i guess the task would be to find the right rom
Custom ROM included lastest driver and update. Many tweaks or mod are cook in so it's works better than a basic cab!
The good Cook ROM offers you better memory beacause deleted some useless files, so fatser and stable for somes ROM. The HD2 was my first WM Phone (iPhone 3Gs before) i was afraid to use a cooked rom and now i'm addicted!
Only advantage so in Cook ROM (if it's a good ROM)
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ah nevermind, i looked it up. they're basically custom roms, yes? so i guess the task would be to find the right rom
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Yes it's like an official ROM but with some Tweak and mod (like Cookies Home Tab)
Personnaly i'm using
Clean EX ROM and Hyper ROM it's a 6.5.x roms but clean EX do 6.5 roms (like officiel)
6.5.x are more finger friendly
Look these links!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618787 (chucky)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=591784 (energy)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=612580 (artemis)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=656835 (Clean EX (3 ROMS in this kitchen)) (i'm using HyperROM)
All cook rom are good, but i select for you the most popular and after you will be a "pro" you can chose yourself !
awesome! thanks for the help i'll look through those and try one (or some) out. much appreciated!
ive been having same problem lately when texting. but all this ROM stuff kind of scares me a lil i dont really know what im doin, any advice on installing that stuff?
ok so i've tried to flash a rom about 4 times. couple times with chucky, and once with the ManiLess rom and everytime i get stuck. my phone goes through the 4 color screen, then HTC shows up on my phone with the progress bar (progress bar also shows up on my PC), but after a time, it stops responding and i must take my battery out and turn it back on to recover it. the RUU and the .nbh files are the only two files in the directory. i even tried using a different RUU than the one that came with the cooked ROM, but still does not work.
what could i be missing? i think i'm going to try one more time with a different ROM and see what happens
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ive been having same problem lately when texting. but all this ROM stuff kind of scares me a lil i dont really know what im doin, any advice on installing that stuff?
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so far in my experience it's pretty straight forward. you have a single .nbh file which is the rom, then an RUU application that should be in the same folder that launches a wizard and you just make sure your phone is plugged into the PC and synced and it does it all for you. but just so far for me it gets stuck.
here's a video that shows a guy doing it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Vh7GAx_lZE&feature=player_embedded
clicks accept twice, then it automatically does it. mine just gets stuck at the HTC screen on the phone
Hum wich rom have you choose?
-So first you HSPL your phone (but you already do that so... go next step)
-second you need to task 29 your phone (clean beforme flashing)(by doolop)
-after you need flash your ROM and Radio ROM (if it's needed)
-And you can make an HardReset (after flashing) because some guys recommend that but i never do this and i never have problem!
And have fun!
So wich ROM? IS it possible that you make a short video?
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so far in my experience it's pretty straight forward. you have a single .nbh file which is the rom, then an RUU application that should be in the same folder that launches a wizard and you just make sure your phone is plugged into the PC and synced and it does it all for you. but just so far for me it gets stuck.
here's a video that shows a guy doing it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Vh7GAx_lZE&feature=player_embedded
clicks accept twice, then it automatically does it. mine just gets stuck at the HTC screen on the phone
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Why SSPL? HSPL is much better!
i just saw HSPL, and that was the next method i was going to try. i'm going to try the black dse one again. the same one you have. i like the darker theme to it
ok i'm giving up for the night. i have SPL 2.10, so i gotta downgrade, right? i'll look into that tomorrow...i've been staring at this screen for way too long haha.
hmmmm...further research says since i have SPL 2.10, there's no way to downgrade to 2.8 or lower, is there? so i'm stuck with 2.10 until an HSPL is released for it (if one even becomes released)?
Hi there,
Im very new here. I have a T-Mobile HTC HD2. Both HTC and WinMO are something new for me, as previously im iPhone user. Any guide/help is very appreciate. The phone keep hanging during boot. Usually its hang during the pink box and when htc sense finish load. How do I fix this?
I would like to install android on this phone. Is it possible for me to install after I update to latest OS(WinMo 6.xxx).
Update:
My HTC HD2 keep freeze during boot. Now I want back to normal, whatever ROM is it.
Welcome to XDA and whole real world as I am sure iPanzy kept you down but thats another matter for another day. Now I am not sure what pink box you are talking about you mean the splash boot? What are you using WM6.5? In that case look below.
Now you have few choice as HD2 is true multi platform device, as we are belessed with superior dev team and support many OS. You can use dual boot WM(NAND) and AOSP(mSD) or you can use NANDROID. If you pick dual boot I say use WM6.5.X as base 29XXX is by far the most superior stable then if you want to use AOSP then download and install Android on SDCard or skip all of that and use NANDROID as native.
Pink box I mean is probably shows "Stick Together" words
Now even worse, after few second the phone boot it freeze. I`ve tried factory reset, the same thing keep happening. What should I do now? Should I flash to new offical ROM/OS?
FYI in using T-Mobile HTC HD2 with 1024MB ROM.
For now let forget installing android on but focus on the freeze.
Thanks for the help STHNS
I know you are using Leo1024 as its TMobile also I had feeling it would be that ugly logo thats why I said splash boot. Which was the first thing I got rid of when I got HD2 and put custom splashscreen.
Now it would be unwise to jump in to Android as you might want to check if your HD2 is functioning properly so later if something does go wrong you can send it back for warranty without issue. So lets be clear what are you saying? You can't load in to your WM6.5? SenseUI never loads? or your stuck at bootscreen? Is it used/new? Where did you get this device?
My phone stuck on 3 difference places. I keep reset so the phone can be use normally. Indeed very few time its successfully boot.
1. Stuck on Pink box logo"Stick Together "
2. Stuck on loading Sense UI
3. Stuck after finish loading Sense UI.
Most of it stuck on 2 or 3.
Well no problem first where did you get this device? I have a feeling its used and you got it though some type of shady deal where original owner gave you talk about blah blah lol thats why he sold it, I could be wrong
But serious matter here shut the HD2 down completely and power it back on. Then report what you see the in steps. Hopefully you got it new if something is wrong due to faulty hardware you can send it for repair or warranty. But I have a feeling you don't thats why you came here :O again I could be wrong I am just always suspicious
Its used and i bought it on eBay.
Btw how could flash to offical ROM?
What rom is on it? And why would you want official rom? If you want WM based rom go use EnergyROM WM6.5.X 29XXX base as its far more stable.
EnergyROM WM6.5
Does the installation is same as official ROM?
To test the phone, I advice to go to the HTC Website and download a ROM (you have to use your phone's serial number to guarantee to get one suitable for your phone). If I remember correctly there are 3 variations: 2.08, 2.10 and 3.14. - go for the 2.10 (just to keep away from the 3.14 version as you want to move onto Android). Flash the ROM.
After a hard reset there should be no problems, if there is then your phone has hardware issues.
Thanks for the info fred.
Where I can download the 2.14 version?
What is shipped ROM?
What the diffence between shipped ROM vs official ROM.
Sorry for a lot questions. HTC and WinMo is something new to me. Im iPhone user.
2.14? You mean 3.14?
1) Shipped rom is the default manufacture rom that comes standard on it.
2) No diff between shipped and official rom they are same thing we call them stock rom. Which is supported and maintained by the folks who made the phone.
If you want to upgrade stock rom not sure why you want to do that you can go to Tmobile website and check under wmupgrade or go to HTC website and look under support. I say you forget about WM 6.5 stock rom and go use WM6.5.X EnergyROM base 29XXX its simply superior in every aspect.
The reason I suggest you flash, for example, the 2.10 ROM is that it will flash the SPL, the main ROM and the RADIO. This will get the phone running fully on an official ROM.
The problem you have can either be modifications to the operating system software or additional software or a hardware problem. By flashing a stock (official) ROM you will have cleared the existing operating system and additional software. Now if the problem is still there then it is very likely that it is due to a hardware problem.
If after flashing the problem is gone, then by all means flash the excellant Energy ROM or flash your desired Android ROM.
If you only flash a custom ROM which does not include the RADIO (which controls all communication interaction and not just the FM Radio) then you are reducing the chances of finding out the problem.
Silly question, have you tried booting the phone up without the SD Card?
After all the problem, freeze, hang up and etc I no longer put any sd card on my htc hd2. I beleive the problem might be with the hardware. But why not we try our best before given up on it.
I had several simple questions.
1. Can radio be downgrade?
2. What radio for? Its same like baseband on iPhone
3. Where I can download 2.10 HTC HD2 US T-Mobile? Search here found nothing
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After all the problem, freeze, hang up and etc I no longer put any sd card on my htc hd2. I beleive the problem might be with the hardware. But why not we try our best before given up on it.
I had several simple questions.
1. Can radio be downgrade?
2. What radio for? Its same like baseband on iPhone
3. Where I can download 2.10 HTC HD2 US T-Mobile? Search here found nothing
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1) Yes you can downgrade Leo_Radio's long as you use the correct one as you know there is .50 for HD2-US(Leo1024) and .51 HD2-EU(Leo512).
2) Radio is software that controls your phones wireless interfaces such as data, voice, bluetooth, gps, wifi and other power and memory related firmwares. Well never used iOS so can't say what they call it but far as AOSP goes yes we call it baseband.
3) Search for TMoUS 2.10 stock rom and you will find it or do search in this forum as I am sure someone has it archived.
3)
Answer to your question No. 1 - Yes, Radio can be downgraded and upgraded if you install HSPL prior to downgrade/upgrade. FOr the rest you have to search the forum for the answer.
Hey there,
im pretty happy with my phone, but sometime i feel like its some kinda bad to get apps for evey setting that htc did not provide in 2.2 (2.2.1 not available to me yet). Although i think enough "****" is running systemwise that noone needs.
So flashing to a custom rom seems to be an pretty easy thing if you
do it carefully and check all potential failure actions.
Will custom roms make the phone faster ?
To all that flashed yet: Do you regret it or is it like the best thing you can do ?
Do i lose any important functions of my phone ? Are the roms stable and working good actually ?
Thanks !
mydanny said:
Hey there,
im pretty happy with my phone, but sometime i feel like its some kinda bad to get apps for evey setting that htc did not provide in 2.2 (2.2.1 not available to me yet). Although i think enough "****" is running systemwise that noone needs.
So flashing to a custom rom seems to be an pretty easy thing if you
do it carefully and check all potential failure actions.
Will custom roms make the phone faster ?
To all that flashed yet: Do you regret it or is it like the best thing you can do ?
Do i lose any important functions of my phone ? Are the roms stable and working good actually ?
Thanks !
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Having been running Custom Roms since I had my HTC Magic, I would heartly recommend them to most users, It's all about what you want from your phone though. If you are unhappy with all the bloatware installed and dislike sense it's an ideal way to streamline functionality, your DHD will, in most cases , run smoother than stock and should have at least comparable battery life. Currently I am running CM7 which gives me a stable gingerbread based rom, with a decent custom rom there should be no loss of functionality (even the FM radio works these days).
Custom ROMs are by and large an excellent way to keep your phone up to date whilst taking advantage of new features.
There is a risk of introducing new issues, but the support you get is a million times better than you'd get from the manufacturer, and new updates are usually a couple of times a week rather than a couple of times a year.
The main risk, I find (at least from my Windows Mobile days) is that some ROM developers tend to let things run away from them a bit and end up sandwiching so many new features and launchers and eye candy etc that it ends up slowing the phone down more than the stock ROM did.
So far I've not seen anything like that on recent Android devices, but with older handsets like the Hero there are some custom ROMs that are noticably slower than stock.
As long as you realise that there is a performance limit on your handset that will eventually be breached, then you will have a happy experience with custom ROMs.
Sounds promising. Really.
Im just irritated with the instructions.
My Desire HD is yet rooted.
But there is nothing about S-OFF or Radio OFF mentioned.
I remember most instructions with S-OFF and then Rom Manager or something.
But in this case - Whats the "Wipe" ? Normally means all stuff gets removed ?
Im missing detailled information, especially how installing the rom (via app ?)
and which version i need of my desire hd and more :/
Is this the safest way to flash it ?
And waht the hell means "vendor = ace" ?
Which vendor i "got" ? Im irritated or maybe i translate things bad from eng into ger
ps: guess i got it. htc ace was/is the codename for the desire hd device.
mydanny said:
Sounds promising. Really.
Im just irritated with the instructions.
My Desire HD is yet rooted.
But there is nothing about S-OFF or Radio OFF mentioned.
I remember most instructions with S-OFF and then Rom Manager or something.
But in this case - Whats the "Wipe" ? Normally means all stuff gets removed ?
Im missing detailled information, especially how installing the rom (via app ?)
and which version i need of my desire hd and more :/
Is this the safest way to flash it ?
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In my experience, the easiest way to get ENG S-OFF and Radio S-OFF would be to use jkoljo's excelent tools for S-OFF and Radio S-OFF. Here's a guide to flashing a new radio after you have done Radio S-OFF.
In the Radio S-OFF topic, there's also a small guide for flashing a new rom. If you need a more detailed one, you can find one here.
The next step is to find the rom that suits you the most, for example Android Revolution HD or LeeDroid. Download the ROM you like the most, then follow the aforementioned guide to flash it.
When you go from one rom to another, it's always reccomended to do a full wipe (unless it's just a rom update, then you don't always have to do it). In this case, it means that all your data and settings will be lost, except for the stuff you have on your SD card. You can use your Google-account to back up your apps and contacts and stuff, so do that if you feel you need it.
Hope this helps.
Other handy tools for data backup before migrating to a new rom are MyBackup Pro and of course, Titanium Backup.
Don't forget that contacts, market apps, and wi-fi passwords are synced to your google account by default, so no need for huge app backup files unless you have several apks from other sources..
The guides about S-OFF and Radio flashing posted above are detailed and relatively easy for anyone willing to experiment.
Just make sure that you check the instructions carefully, and double-check whatever you type in adb. The few minutes of making sure you're following instructions to the letter can save you hours of un-needed trouble and aggravation..
Also take note, different custom ROMs often recommend specific radios for maximum compatibility. This can make a significant difference in battery and wireless performance, specially with power hungry devices such as ours.
And above all, try different roms, see what you like best. Running the bleeding edge in Android can be as fun as it can be frustrating, so try to find the best suit for your phone and you, and enjoy it
So alright - I think i got it:
1. Root Device (Visionary)
2. Radio S-Off (Tool)
3. Radio Off (Tool)
4. Download a Radio.img (How can i find out which works best with the crom i want ?)
5. Use radio tool and reboot
6. Find a suitable custom rom
7. install and voila - there we go
Some questions that came up:
- Whats the "best" radio out there ? Is this as important as picking a good C-Rom ?
- HTC Sync preinstalls only means that i got it on my PC already, right ?
- And can all of those steps (except root) kill my device (=brick) or am i safe at the moment when Radio S-OFF and Eng S-OFF worked properly ?
- Nowhere is something about the VERSION i need ? So will a Desire HD 2.1, 2.2, 2.2.1 and 2.3 work with all the STEPS ?
Which custom rom is the best for me ? How can i compare all roms out ?
I only heard bout Android Rev HD, LeedDroid and CYMOD.
I want speed and i want a nice User Interface (but i guess i can reach that with ADW.Launcher.EX or Launch-Pro no matter how the Rom looks ?)
Thanks guys for all the answers already !
Would be so thankful if you can finish this with me.
PS: If i "brick" my device is there 100% no chance to unbrick it ?
Was possible with psp 2000 e.g. after some months. think so with desire hd too ?
1. In most cases, the developer of any given rom will reccomend a spesific radio to use with his/hers rom (like with LeeDroid or ARHD). Usually I'd just go for that radio, but as with so many other things in life, your mileage with a spesific radio may vary. While one user might report good signal strength and battery with one radio, another user might say the complete opposite. Anyway, stick to the radio reccomended by the ROM developer. I think that's the safest to do.
2. I've not even used HTC Sync since I bought my Desire HD, and I don't see the need to use it.
3. You're never 100% safe, but in my experience, once you're past the ENG/Radio S-OFF and your new radio is flashed, it's usually smooth sailing from there. But always remember that **** can happen, and you might be unlucky, so if you're unsure of something, read up on the subject as many times as you need for you to feel comfortable doing it.
4. As for what rom is best, that's really up to you I think. I've stuck to ARHD, and I find it fantastic, but you might like LeeDroid or CM7 better. Just look at screen shots, and try to figure out which one is most suited for you. And as you said, with AWD or LauncherPro, and the right wallpaper, any ROM can look beautiful
5. If your device is bricked, I don't know of any method of getting it back to life. All I can think of is send it to HTC, claim that it's dead, and hope for the best.
I flashed my first ROM yesterday just (leedroid 2.2.2). I havent really had much of a chance to explore the real benefits of it, but im already delighted that i did it. Just by being able to add custom themes, fonts and skins to get the phone looking much brighter and colourful. Also nice playing with overclocking the processor.
Took a bit of work to downgrade the software to get root, then a few problems getting s-off etc, but in the end it was all a good learning experience. Certainly dont regret doing it, just sort of regret that i put it off for so long. Looking forward to much playing about with different ROMS and customising them.
Just make sure you read the threads on here about rooting very carefully. And also read very carefull the instructions that come with each ROM. Leedroid recommended a radio that works best with his ROM, so i flashed that. Dont know if others do the same as i havent got round to trying any others yet.
Am i right that only with Radio S-OFF i will be also able to install custom roms,
but NO new radio versions ? Is the problem the compability (with croms) or is there any other reason for new radios than better connection/battery ?
Which users are fine with only Radio S-OFF ?
As i can read, RSPOFF is safer than ENGSOFF.
Also: the question about the VERSION is really making me moving.
Hope someone can explain me, why nowhere is mentioned something about it.
I remember 2.2.1 cant be rooted and 2.3 - so is this the explaination
(cause you cant go over step 1) ? or whats the point ?
mydanny said:
1. Root Device (Visionary)
2. Radio S-Off (Tool)
3. Radio Off (Tool)
4. Download a Radio.img (How can i find out which works best with the crom i want ?)
5. Use radio tool and reboot
6. Find a suitable custom rom
7. install and voila - there we go
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Once you've done Radio S-OFF (not sure what your step 3 is - seems the same as 2) then I'd recommend installing ROM Manager from the Market and ensuring you have either ClockWorkMod 2.5.1.3 (up to Android 2.2) or 3.0.0.6 (android 2.3) installed. This then allows you do do all your Nandroid backups and System wipes that you will need to before you flash a new ROM.
- Whats the "best" radio out there ? Is this as important as picking a good C-Rom ?
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As said, there is technically no "Best" radio - but the dev of a ROM will recommend a decent compatible ROM. You are welcome to try others but you may notice weaker signal or degraded battery life.
- HTC Sync preinstalls only means that i got it on my PC already, right ?
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It's useful for getting the right drivers on your computer - but probably not much else!
- And can all of those steps (except root) kill my device (=brick) or am i safe at the moment when Radio S-OFF and Eng S-OFF worked properly ?
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Not "Safe" but at least much more likely to be able to recover. You can still permanently damage it - but doing so would be pretty hard work!
- Nowhere is something about the VERSION i need ? So will a Desire HD 2.1, 2.2, 2.2.1 and 2.3 work with all the STEPS ?
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Generally the steps are the same throughout...though you'd be hard-pressed to find a DHD ROM on 2.1!
Which custom rom is the best for me ? How can i compare all roms out ?
I only heard bout Android Rev HD, LeedDroid and CYMOD.
I want speed and i want a nice User Interface (but i guess i can reach that with ADW.Launcher.EX or Launch-Pro no matter how the Rom looks ?)
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Read their respective threads and see what you like and don't like. That's what everyone else does. No ROM is "better" than the other.
PS: If i "brick" my device is there 100% no chance to unbrick it ?
Was possible with psp 2000 e.g. after some months. think so with desire hd too ?
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Depends how badly bricked it is! (see above)
To add the misstying under 2. or 3.
I meant:
2. Radio S-oFF
3. ENG S-Off.
What is ENG S-OFF in some easy words doing other than Radio ?
As i understood - without ENG S-oFF i cant install custom radio images, right ?
Means: New Roms, but maybe not the best compatible radios ?
Also: When installed Clockwork i can backup everything ?
Means a NANDROID backup i guess ?
I thought when i want to get back, i just need this Ruu Rom and
Set all Tools to S-ON ? So this Nandroid backup, whats that ? "Ruu" is the original rom and the "nandroid backup" is the system-backup/firmware/original radio.img?
Im just ab it irritated with all the words like rom, radio, firmware :/
Im so thankful for all the answers yet.
Never expected such useful answers, most forums full of guys that link
to other threads and do not really care. so until now - great work !
mydanny said:
Am i right that only with Radio S-OFF i will be also able to install custom roms,
but NO new radio versions ? Is the problem the compability (with croms) or is there any other reason for new radios than better connection/battery ?
Which users are fine with only Radio S-OFF ?
As i can read, RSPOFF is safer than ENGSOFF.
Also: the question about the VERSION is really making me moving.
Hope someone can explain me, why nowhere is mentioned something about it.
I remember 2.2.1 cant be rooted and 2.3 - so is this the explaination
(cause you cant go over step 1) ? or whats the point ?
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ENG S-OFF will allow you to flash rom's, Radio s-OFF will allow you to flash radio's as well (ENG S-off fools h-boot into believing it has radio s-off)
Radio S-OFF will not be reverted by flashing a new h-boot unlike ENG S-OFF.
Different rom's suit different people, seen as you are going to loose all your data falshing a custom rom, i would recommend flashing a couple and having a play around (leedroid and Coredroid etc have sense if that rock's your boat, Cyanogenmod is closer to vanilla android) as everyone has a different preference.
The Versioning of ROM's is a bit of a grey area all ROM's are based on an android release 2.1, 2.2.1, or even 2.3 etc but many have features ported to them from other release i.e stuff from 2.3 or even 2.4 may be present in a 2.1 based ROM so look for a rom with the features you desire rather than relying on the base. But some ROM's require different instructions for flashing i.e Gingerbread ROM's require clockwork recovery version 3.x this is due to different file systems used, to be safe make sure to read the first couple of entries in the ROM thread in the development section before flashing as it will list any special requirements or steps that need taking prior to flashing.
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ENG S-OFF will allow you to flash rom's, Radio s-OFF will allow you to flash radio's as well (ENG S-off fools h-boot into believing it has radio s-off)
Radio S-OFF will not be reverted by flashing a new h-boot unlike ENG S-OFF.
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Maybe im just reading it wrong, but do you mean that Radio S-OFF has all the features that ENG S-OFF brings PLUS the radio flash option ?
Then why all the instructions say, i need both (ENG and Radio) ?
Generelly, you recommend only ENG S-OFF or will the most good Custom Roms not work that good with the original radio version from htc ?
And Gingerbread Roms need Clockwork 3.X - But Clockwork 3.X needs Desire HD with 2.3, as i got told above.
And i cant upgrad to this by using HTC Updater. I guess, i have to manually upgrade my original Firmware then, right ?
Complete guide in my sig (check out the dev forums, lots of them out there)
Radio s-off and eng s-off are 2 different things and you need both if you want to be able to flash a rom.
And yes, I love my custom rom more than I will ever love stock. Why? because it looks like the stock one but it's lightning fast and drains less battery. Oh, and I have better reception
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And Gingerbread Roms need Clockwork 3.X - But Clockwork 3.X needs Desire HD with 2.3, as i got told above.
And i cant upgrad to this by using HTC Updater. I guess, i have to manually upgrade my original Firmware then, right ?
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Gingerbread roms need 3.X, but you don't need Gingerbread to install it. I have CWM 3.0.0.6 but am on a FroYo ROM. All down to my own personal choice!
Also, yes. a Nandroid backup is an exact copy of your ROM (not your radio). So all apps, settings etc will be exactly the same when you restore it. You can't do this without a clockworkmod recovery.
ROM Manager interfaces with CWM and allows you better management of your backups and also gives you an easy way to upgrade your recovery without having to mess around in a terminal emulator or command window.
The relationship between Kernel, Radio (Baseband) and a custom ROM? So in theory, can you mix and match different version and combination, but there seems to be proven combination that works better, is that correct?
Base on what I am reading, they are can contribute to a faster, more stable, and a more battery efficient phone system.
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Complete guide in my sig (check out the dev forums, lots of them out there)
Radio s-off and eng s-off are 2 different things and you need both if you want to be able to flash a rom.
And yes, I love my custom rom more than I will ever love stock. Why? because it looks like the stock one but it's lightning fast and drains less battery. Oh, and I have better reception
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Nice Guide. Has everything i need.
Why i need both ?
In case i dont need/want a new radio version and ONLY a new crom,
i dont need the Radio S-OFF. Cause you say i need both ? Why ?
Maybe gimme a short answer to that.
Will be thankful !
wid0w said:
Complete guide in my sig (check out the dev forums, lots of them out there)
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For flashing under windows that is, the instructions here, whilst a little more complicated cater for all OS'es
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For flashing under windows that is, the instructions here, whilst a little more complicated cater for all OS'es
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Link not working.
Whats that ? Another guide ?
Whats the differ ? Oo